The gambler who manages to beat the casino through cheating

[JohnBitCo]

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

Looking at the OP post, there are only a few people who were able to beat the casino and in that too not all of them were fair. Dennis Nikrasch cheated the casino and there is also some doubt on others too. In normal circumstances, you cannot beat the house.

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[YuginKadoya]

Well, Beating the Casino is literally cheating the casino and I think when a person keeps on winning at something the Casino's will be alarm at this and investigate that person if there is something suspicious about him/her, And yes this is punishable by law if there is proof that they really did it,

I guess if you can not beat the system in an honest to goodness way then don't play casino gambling because there is no such thing that a player would win without anything suspicious behind it, although there is really a person that has 100% luck.

No, if the only way to beat a casino was through cheating then you may have a point, but there are many players that over the years have beaten the casinos legitimately even in games that you could consider to be pure luck like craps and roulette so I think we should not mix the two, the players that actually beat the casinos are for the most part incredible people with a talent and a determination to create a new strategy to beat the casinos while the rest are cheaters.

Sure there are people like that but that kind of person exists in the world with a rating of 1 out of 10 but what about the simple person that doesn't have any absurd luck like that? I am saying is let's say you yourself want to beat the casino but you know deep inside that you don't have that kind of luck in beating the house,

I guess many here in the forum look in this kind of thread because they also want to beat the casino for themselves, even I would want to know the secret behind beating the house edge.

[XZERO1]

Is cheating in gambling allowed?

There should be persecuted for cheat and others who have same intentions will learn their lesson. If it continues then he gambling system will be messed up .

Of course it's not allowed, that's why all those names that OP mentioned exist, because they have been caught cheating.

These people are just a very small percentage of gamblers, and it's not like 5-10% of gamblers can cheat casino systems or something, I'd say it could be around 0.001% or even less percentage of gamblers could be cheating somehow and manage to make stable profit out of it, so it's in no way an easy task that anyone can do specially with these new casinos that have many people assigned to find bugs or errors in the system before they start accepting customers.

[hulla]

It possible to make huge winning in gambling just through luck but the gambler needs to understand the rules of the game which I believe will help his mindset and understanding the genuine of the game concept.
Let's use Richard Marcus (who is among the gambler who manage to beat the casino) as an example. He lost a lot and sleep under the bridge when he's yet to understand the game rules which hinder him from creating his cheating strategy.

Many people don't realize that their luck will not always come to them every time they play gambling. They are still playing gambling and spend more money just because they want to see they can win with their luck.

I don't think they precisely want to see if they can win with their luck cause this kind of pattern is what it is chasing after lost which have drain alot of gamblers into the mud of gambling addiction.

Instead of controlling their mind not to playing gambling for more, they try to use different methods or cheating strategies because they really want to win. That is a good lesson for us, so we don't have to think much about using the cheat strategy because we know the consequences by using that strategy.

Some people will always make this manner of mistake despite all the warning about using strategy to win in gambling which will only work for a moment cause gambling site technology is different to the days when the listed name cheated expect if one of the gambling site team leak the game seeds.

[ethereumhunter]

Sure there are people like that but that kind of person exists in the world with a rating of 1 out of 10 but what about the simple person that doesn't have any absurd luck like that? I am saying is let's say you yourself want to beat the casino but you know deep inside that you don't have that kind of luck in beating the house,

If they know they do not have that kind of luck to beat the house, they do not have to try hard to win because the result will not be good for them. But many people are still trying to playing more because they hope that they can win the game to get the money in one round. They dream that they win a lot of money so that they can recover their losses. That person exists, but we do not know how many of them, so we need to know ourselves.

[acquafredda]

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

Looking at the OP post, there are only a few people who were able to beat the casino and in that too not all of them were fair. Dennis Nikrasch cheated the casino and there is also some doubt on others too. In normal circumstances, you cannot beat the house.

Casinos are neither charities nor not-for-profit foundations, they are businesses. They have implemented all the required risk management best practices to avoid unnecessary risks (especially on the financial side). If people keep playing the majority will end up losing while a small minority of either strategists or lucky guys will enjoy some profit. This is it, really.

[ice098]

Is cheating in gambling allowed?

There should be persecuted for cheat and others who have same intentions will learn their lesson. If it continues then he gambling system will be messed up .

Of course it's not allowed, that's why all those names that OP mentioned exist, because they have been caught cheating.

These people are just a very small percentage of gamblers, and it's not like 5-10% of gamblers can cheat casino systems or something, I'd say it could be around 0.001% or even less percentage of gamblers could be cheating somehow and manage to make stable profit out of it, so it's in no way an easy task that anyone can do specially with these new casinos that have many people assigned to find bugs or errors in the system before they start accepting customers.

By reading the exchanging of ideas and thoughts about these issue, which we have a different and individual opinions about it and we are all in one thought of giving a highlight that cheating is not allowed even in different aspects of our life, cheating is cheating and it is never became a good thing to do but we do also give those gambler who manage to beat casino through cheating a benefit of the doubt because we do understand the possible needs of that person why they did that.

[tokeweed]

You guys familiar with Phil Ivey?  He’s a poker player but got into a controversy at some casino in Europe for ‘edge sorting’ while playing baccarat.  Won himself a 7m USD clip or something crazy.  Not sure if it’s really ‘cheating’ per se cos he really didn’t do anything.

[FlightyPouch]

You guys familiar with Phil Ivey?  He’s a poker player but got into a controversy at some casino in Europe for ‘edge sorting’ while playing baccarat.  Won himself a 7m USD clip or something crazy.  Not sure if it’s really ‘cheating’ per se cos he really didn’t do anything.

One of those guys up there who actually made a life out of gambling. To be honest, edge sorting is still argued to be either a cheat or not but for me it is not cheating the same as counting cards on blackjack. He's a great player and I think this is through his skills and he's not actually cheating.

[Wawa2013]

You guys familiar with Phil Ivey?  He’s a poker player but got into a controversy at some casino in Europe for ‘edge sorting’ while playing baccarat.  Won himself a 7m USD clip or something crazy.  Not sure if it’s really ‘cheating’ per se cos he really didn’t do anything.

I know Phil Ivey as a poker games legend, who managed to win 10 World Series of Poker titles is a very famous figure in the world of gambling.
I didn't put Phil Ivey's name in the opening post, because I thought that the edge sorting that Phil Ivey often used wasn't cheating. But like you
said, it's still a controversy until now regarding edge sorting, but I think edge sorting is one of the legit gambling techniques. Although several
casinos finally sued Ivey to court for being considered cheating.

[Lorence.xD]

The MIT Blackjack team shouldn't be considered cheating at all.

Casinos are private properties so pit bosses can tell APs/card counters to back off, but nowhere does it say that it is illegal to use your intelligence and knowledge to gain an advantage at a casino game.

I would agree, card counting is not cheating if you are doing it with your mind, not to mention that they are a team. The reason that they hate this card counting players is because blackjack is one of the games that have the lowest house edge. It is within the rights of casinos to kick out this players and they are business establishment after all. The only that this will work is when you are doing your scheme at an irrational or sometimes random pattern, you sometimes lose but you still win more.

[maydna]

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I don't think they precisely want to see if they can win with their luck cause this kind of pattern is what it is chasing after lost which have drain alot of gamblers into the mud of gambling addiction.

Many gamblers don't even think about that because all they want is just to try to recover their loss while also thinking about winning more money. If they can just see the pattern from their games, and they realize how big the money that they already lost, they must stop gambling as soon as possible because that will only waste of money if they continue.

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Some people will always make this manner of mistake despite all the warning about using strategy to win in gambling which will only work for a moment cause gambling site technology is different to the days when the listed name cheated expect if one of the gambling site team leak the game seeds.

They think that if they can use the strategy, they will have a chance to win in gambling. Some of them will not think that their strategy will work temporarily, even if they try to modify or cheat the system just try to win. The gambling site will always update its system, and the team will search if their system is secure or have a bug.

[Xxmodded]

I have unique way when beginning gambling after raise profit about 10% or 20% I stopped few while then try with other game for betting, not focus only with one game I think look easy for betting site detected with how much profit we got, but today I got my friend jack pot more than 20k$ after playing with wild game betting, he looks more lucky when beginning with this betting game, every time role more than 1k dollar get profit and look he was lucky every game playing.

[South Park]

I don't remember that person but there was a man who programmed slots and included secret combination in it that only he know. By following that combination, he won a lot of money. It happened years, years ago.
Btw at the moment situation has changed. They learnt from mistakes, games are built in a way where you can't mathematically beat it, so in the long term, casino is the winner. Also, if you play online, every casino has a team of risk analysts that carefully keep an eye on your gambling behaviour.

So, during the covid pandemic when real life casinos are closed and online ones are seriously developed with good and almost bug free codes, no one would inspire me to gamble and beat the casino.

I remember that story as well, it got a lot of coverage back in the day, however I really think that beating the casinos by cheating can't actually count as beating them there are many gamblers that despite all the restrictions that casinos impose on the players have found a way to beat the casino on their own games, and as you may guess those gamblers become legendary because they show that as long as you are able to look at things creatively you can always find a weakness in a system that is believed to be perfect.

[hulla]

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I don't think they precisely want to see if they can win with their luck cause this kind of pattern is what we call chasing after lost which have drain alot of gamblers into the mud of gambling addiction.

Many gamblers don't even think about that because all they want is just to try to recover their loss while also thinking about winning more money. If they can just see the pattern from their games, and they realize how big the money that they already lost, they must stop gambling as soon as possible because that will only waste of money if they continue.

I submitted to what you said but it hard for people that chase after lost to stop gambling because what lead to them chasing after lost in the first in the inability to control their buzz and I think the thing the person need is to learn how to gambling profitable or make use of the "Responsible gambling" section provided by casino like duelbits.

~snip~

Some people will always make this manner of mistake despite all the warning about using strategy to win in gambling which will only work for a moment cause gambling site technology is different to the days when the listed name cheated expect if one of the gambling site team leak the game seeds.

They think that if they can use the strategy, they will have a chance to win in gambling. Some of them will not think that their strategy will work temporarily, even if they try to modify or cheat the system just try to win.

You are right but that silly habit and I have some newbies that created a thread about this kind of strategy and I hope some naive gambler wont believe this again.

The gambling site will always update its system, and the team will search if their system is secure or have a bug.

Yes, their technology are mathematics base but it operated in an auto update system.

[maydna]

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I submitted to what you said but it hard for people that chase after lost to stop gambling because what lead to them chasing after lost in the first in the inability to control their buzz and I think the thing the person need is to learn how to gambling profitable or make use of the "Responsible gambling" section provided by casino like duelbits.

Yes, I agree with what you said because I already have that experience in my beginning knows gambling. The feeling of chasing the losing money in gambling becomes bigger once we know that we are already losing much. At that time, our mind will think about how we will recover the money, but the truth is we only lose more money. But then I learn that it is unnecessary to recover the losing money because that is the consequence that we should accept when we are playing gambling.

~snip~

You are right but that silly habit and I have some newbies that created a thread about this kind of strategy and I hope some naive gambler wont believe this again.

Hahaha, I am laughing when you say it is a silly habit, but that is true. In the early time, we will not think much about that because we only want to feel the winning, and we try hard to win, but we lose more money without realizing it.

The gambling site will always update its system, and the team will search if their system is secure or have a bug.

Yes, their technology are mathematics base but it operated in an auto update system.

That is what I am worried about if a gambler doesn't realize about the auto-update system because they will never stop gambling, even for only a take a break for a while.

We are human who has a passion for getting what we want without thinking much the consequences behind that.

[Fredomago]

I don't remember that person but there was a man who programmed slots and included secret combination in it that only he know. By following that combination, he won a lot of money. It happened years, years ago.
Btw at the moment situation has changed. They learnt from mistakes, games are built in a way where you can't mathematically beat it, so in the long term, casino is the winner. Also, if you play online, every casino has a team of risk analysts that carefully keep an eye on your gambling behaviour.

So, during the covid pandemic when real life casinos are closed and online ones are seriously developed with good and almost bug free codes, no one would inspire me to gamble and beat the casino.

I remember that story as well, it got a lot of coverage back in the day, however I really think that beating the casinos by cheating can't actually count as beating them there are many gamblers that despite all the restrictions that casinos impose on the players have found a way to beat the casino on their own games, and as you may guess those gamblers become legendary because they show that as long as you are able to look at things creatively you can always find a weakness in a system that is believed to be perfect.

Exactly, attacking the system that owners and developers thinks that already strong enough to continue business is what those cheaters loves to penetrate, same thinking with hackers, this gamblers will always find ways to take advantage of any lapses or any open opportunities to cheat in any types of games that they can take.

Though system continuously updating this cheaters will keep finding even a minute or a seconds that they can have to use their hacks and enjoy whatever amount that they can takeaway from the business, risking both accounts and deposited money for when that they'll able to comes out clean.

[hulla]

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I submitted to what you said but it hard for people that chase after lost to stop gambling because what lead to them chasing after lost in the first in the inability to control their buzz and I think the thing the person need is to learn how to gambling profitable or make use of the "Responsible gambling" section provided by casino like duelbits.

Yes, I agree with what you said because I already have that experience in my beginning knows gambling. The feeling of chasing the losing money in gambling becomes bigger once we know that we are already losing much. At that time, our mind will think about how we will recover the money, but the truth is we only lose more money. But then I learn that it is unnecessary to recover the losing money because that is the consequence that we should accept when we are playing gambling.

I respect your strength because what you just said have led to mental issue in some people and to be honest every gamblers indirectly chase after lost because is practically a game of chance with the winning edge of 1%, why gamble with the amount cant easily overlook?

~snip~

You are right but that silly habit and I have some newbies that created a thread about this kind of strategy and I hope some naive gambler wont believe this again.

Hahaha, I am laughing when you say it is a silly habit, but that is true. In the early time, we will not think much about that because we only want to feel the winning, and we try hard to win, but we lose more money without realizing it.

I dont see any reason for anyone to try hard to win online gambling when the chance of winning is always 1%. I am gambler but I gamble occasionally and I havent gamble this year.

The gambling site will always update its system, and the team will search if their system is secure or have a bug.

Yes, their technology are mathematics base but it operated in an auto update system.

That is what I am worried about if a gambler doesn't realize about the auto-update system because they will never stop gambling, even for only a take a break for a while.

We are human who has a passion for getting what we want without thinking much the consequences behind that.

Apparently, there's no reason for a gambler to stop gambling if he can control his buzz and accept to lose the fund he's using to gamble with his other financial activities not affect.

[maydna]

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I respect your strength because what you just said have led to mental issue in some people and to be honest every gamblers indirectly chase after lost because is practically a game of chance with the winning edge of 1%, why gamble with the amount cant easily overlook?

Actually, people know if they have a mental issue because of gambling, but they are trying to deny it and consider it does not exist. It is normal to chase after losing as we don't want to get lost, in anything not just in gambling. But we need to consider and knowing how big percentage to win for us, and we can gamble with some amount without trying to chase the win money.

~snip~

I dont see any reason for anyone to try hard to win online gambling when the chance of winning is always 1%. I am gambler but I gamble occasionally and I havent gamble this year.

We can enjoy gambling without thinking about how big the chance of winning because we don't search for winning. We know that gamble is about luck, and we don't have to gamble too often as we gamble to have fun and enjoy the game. I haven't gamble this year as I see bitcoin and altcoin increase, and I want to make more profit this year.

~snip~

Apparently, there's no reason for a gambler to stop gambling if he can control his buzz and accept to lose the fund he's using to gamble with his other financial activities not affect.

We hope that this year, we can control ourselves in gambling, so we don't need to use more money to continue playing gambling. And if we lose in gambling, we should accept it and stop for a while to reduce the tension. As the crypto market now rises so high, it is better to prepare that to be sold at a high price, and we can get more money to our bank.

[Janation]

There are those people.

These people either needed the money so badly or they just want to earn a lot of money by cheating the syatems of these casinos or gambling sites. It might be true that they can earn a lot of money from it but they could sacrifice their lives and went to life inside bars and if they are not caught, that will live in their conscience as long as they are alive.

If you look objectively at these people there is no big difference between stealing from the casino or the bank. A bank robber also looks for easy money and is willing to do whatever necessary and accepting the consequences. Stealing ATMs became very common in my country, its done at night without violence or guns. No one getting hurt except the insurance companies. Cheating the casino has similar effects and there can also be jail time in the end. Or bring blacklisted from casinos for the rest of your life.

I think there is a huge difference.

These people are cheating the casino and these people around them didn't know that while those people robbing the bank are so obvious since they will be forcing their way through to get that money. Cheating and robbing are different from each other in terms of these situations. Someone can get hurt and be killed during a robbery, in cheating, there is a low chance of that happening.