Thailand government seeks measures to tackle the problems of illegal gambling.

[Lorence.xD]

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Government regulations would push every individuals to abide their rules on taxation, by virtue of no choice. This became mandatory on every business establishments, because if they don't follow certain implementation they're considered as illegal gambling operation. If there's a need for petition when there's really a hardships encountered, then it's always open to raise for congress or some officials who can help in a specific country.

People still has the choice not to abide the rules in taxation if they want to, remember that revolts can happen and the government continuously oppressing their citizens will only result in a dumpster fire of chaos and unrest, you can't trust the Congress or the officials if your country is ruled by corrupt people.

[Yamifoud]

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Government regulations would push every individuals to abide their rules on taxation, by virtue of no choice. This became mandatory on every business establishments, because if they don't follow certain implementation they're considered as illegal gambling operation. If there's a need for petition when there's really a hardships encountered, then it's always open to raise for congress or some officials who can help in a specific country.

People still has the choice not to abide the rules in taxation if they want to, remember that revolts can happen and the government continuously oppressing their citizens will only result in a dumpster fire of chaos and unrest, you can't trust the Congress or the officials if your country is ruled by corrupt people.

Probably, not. They can have the choice not to pay taxes but it was against the law, authorities will pursue you.
Talking about corruption, I don't know if there is someone, a country had left not doing this. They have the reason why they push themselves on the position and that to take advantage of their citizen. And to say about the stoppage of illegal gambling, that could be a hard thing to do, IMO.

[Lorence.xD]

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Talking about corruption, I don't know if there is someone, a country had left not doing this. They have the reason why they push themselves on the position and that to take advantage of their citizen. And to say about the stoppage of illegal gambling, that could be a hard thing to do, IMO.

I don't think that this raids on illegal gambling will last because this illegal gambling houses are a source of funds for this corrupt officials, this is just a show to distract the people from the real problems. People do have a choice on who governs them, it's just that they do not realize the power they have, remember French and Bolshevik revolutions, corruption of the monarchs were destroyed by the people. I do not think that it is acceptable to have a reason for exploiting your citizens, no matter how you explain it, corruption is corruption, there is no in betweens.

[hulla]

The ongoing conversation before Saint-loup above message was about the percentage of Thailand adults that gambling regularly which was said to be 70%, I believe women are included and when he heard that the result seem to be base on the Thailand lottery game which is usually back by the government.

Even if it is a man or women it is still a huge number 7 out of ten people are into gambling and many of these are into illegal gambling, we can easily tell that the government failed miserably because of this figure, they should legalize gambling so they can make a profit and restrict these gambling operators, if they are working underground they do no have control on these people.

You make a reasonable point but if you understand the Thailand government viewpoint about gambling you will know that, they don't totally ban gambling though they only support betting on horse races and the government sponsored lottery and I don't why they supported horse race betting and ignore others form of gambling. But people can still gambling online freely despite the Thai government viewpoint which I believe it still fair than the people gambling in an overcrowded place during the season of pandemic.
I think the organizers/owners should be arrest for not limiting the numbers of their customers.

[ice098]

You make a reasonable point but if you understand the Thailand government viewpoint about gambling you will know that, they don't totally ban gambling though they only support betting on horse races and the government sponsored lottery and I don't why they supported horse race betting and ignore others form of gambling. But people can still gambling online freely despite the Thai government viewpoint which I believe it still fair than the people gambling in an overcrowded place during the season of pandemic.
I think the organizers/owners should be arrest for not limiting the numbers of their customers.

Thailand Government only do care about the count of a positive Covid patient that they may count on when these street gambling or illegal gambling that will gather people in one place happen and also every country had only one goel and it is to lessen much better to vanish virus and stop the spread of it. However, i know the sense of being a gambler they may gamble as long as they wanted even if it is illegal.

[hulla]

You make a reasonable point but if you understand the Thailand government viewpoint about gambling you will know that, they don't totally ban gambling though they only support betting on horse races and the government sponsored lottery and I don't why they supported horse race betting and ignore others form of gambling. But people can still gambling online freely despite the Thai government viewpoint which I believe it still fair than the people gambling in an overcrowded place during the season of pandemic.
I think the organizers/owners should be arrest for not limiting the numbers of their customers.

Thailand Government only do care about the count of a positive Covid patient that they may count on when these street gambling or illegal gambling that will gather people in one place happen and also every country had only one goel and it is to lessen much better to vanish virus and stop the spread of it. However, i know the sense of being a gambler they may gamble as long as they wanted even if it is illegal.

Yes, every gambler is ready to gamble whenever he feels thirsty for it and it very understandable that the Thailand want to curb the spread of the covid 19 virus and they see the increase in illegal gambling as the cause of the increase in Covid 19 victims which is the reason why they seek regulations to tackle illegal gambling and for them to achieve their purpose huge measures is needed which the reason why I said they need to atrest the organizer of illegal gambling caught.

[Shasha80]

In my opinion, the Thai government should solve the problem of illegal gambling not to be banned. It only makes gambling addicts look for other
ways to be able to play gambling. The best solution is to legalize gambling, and the government can benefit from the taxes imposed on casinos
and gamblers. Moreover, the circulation of money in the world of gambling is quite large, I'm sure government can provide a sizable tax income too.

Can learn from countries that have already legalized gambling, so the Thai government must be able to think again whether there are more negative
or positive effects if it bans gambling. Because the good thing is gambling must be regulated, not banned.

[Janation]

As far as I know, it is banned there.

As long as it is not a government-supported lottery or betting on horse races, it is illegal. I don't know how addicted people are to gambling in this country but like those Chinese people, they are also into gambling. I don't know about casinos in that country, but I just hope they would just regulate it so they will not be having a problem, that also means tax for the government.

As far as I know gambling is not prohibited in thailand,  there will always be illegally operational game that are being run by some people and they are avoiding tax and due to the pandemic I think they are avoiding some health protocol as well, so given this thing aside from they should strengthen their law they need to put extra fine so that people will be afraid to make move about that, if they don't want to register it in the governement they should pay taxes, so even there will be some pandemic they can run it, maybe not physically but thru online.

I think that is also a concern.

If there will be a lot of illegal gambling happening there, that also means that there are a lot of health protocols that are not followed at that place. There will be no regulation of the protocol and could cause more casualties in this pandemic. I guess it is really best if they will just let it regulate, what's with that tax they are so afraid of than hide and be jailed?

[michellee]

Thailand Government only do care about the count of a positive Covid patient that they may count on when these street gambling or illegal gambling that will gather people in one place happen and also every country had only one goel and it is to lessen much better to vanish virus and stop the spread of it. However, i know the sense of being a gambler they may gamble as long as they wanted even if it is illegal.

That is because the spread of Covid still high, and there is a new case almost every day which we do not know when it will reduce or stop. Maybe their reason is to reduce the number of infected people playing gambling in one big place and the crowd because that can give a chance to get a new case. People will not know who is healthy and who is infected, and the asymptomatic people will be dangerous for the other people in the crowd. We can hope that every country will concern about this in reducing the new case in their country.

[Vishnu.Reang]

That is because the spread of Covid still high, and there is a new case almost every day which we do not know when it will reduce or stop. Maybe their reason is to reduce the number of infected people playing gambling in one big place and the crowd because that can give a chance to get a new case. People will not know who is healthy and who is infected, and the asymptomatic people will be dangerous for the other people in the crowd. We can hope that every country will concern about this in reducing the new case in their country.

This is surprising, because Thailand is one of the countries where the infection rate is very much under control. The number of new daily cases is in three digits and till now the death rate per million is 1.1 (compared to 1378 in the United States). Thailand is a prime destination for international tourists and I don't think that a majority of them are averse to gambling. When many of the neighboring nations (Cambodia, Laos.etc) are taking steps towards popularizing gambling, Thailand seems to be moving in the opposite direction. This can harm their tourist inflow in the long term.

[AicecreaME]

Nothing can fix this kind of problems and to be fair, these restrictions does more harm than good. People always do what you want, so none restriction can fully prevent it. What do you think, are most part of people seriously staying at home? People still workout secretly, still offer some services secretly, people still do things that they were doing before secretly. But if we return to the subject of this topic, it's hard for me to believe that people go in underground casinos because nowadays online gambling is highly developed and popular too, there is done everything for customers comfort.

I strongly agree with this.

Illegal gambling sites or even physical ones are hard to be exterminated in the world of legal gambling. Even if you successfully shutdown one illegal gambling site, you should expect that it'll be revive in their backed up domain, so on and so forth. And for the physical ones, locating them would be hard since most of them are always in the underground, and being handle by drug lords, gangs, that has a strong ties inside the police authority or Government, that's why they are untouchable.

The only reason why the Government are trying to shut them down because they are the tax evasive citizens, that earns a lot of money in an illegal way while the Government don't get anything from them but headaches.

[michellee]

That is because the spread of Covid still high, and there is a new case almost every day which we do not know when it will reduce or stop. Maybe their reason is to reduce the number of infected people playing gambling in one big place and the crowd because that can give a chance to get a new case. People will not know who is healthy and who is infected, and the asymptomatic people will be dangerous for the other people in the crowd. We can hope that every country will concern about this in reducing the new case in their country.

This is surprising, because Thailand is one of the countries where the infection rate is very much under control. The number of new daily cases is in three digits and till now the death rate per million is 1.1 (compared to 1378 in the United States). Thailand is a prime destination for international tourists and I don't think that a majority of them are averse to gambling. When many of the neighboring nations (Cambodia, Laos.etc) are taking steps towards popularizing gambling, Thailand seems to be moving in the opposite direction. This can harm their tourist inflow in the long term.

I think the Thailand government will anticipate that, and they will figure out how to keep their tourist comes to their country. But in this pandemic, maybe it is better to control offline gambling first, especially on the traditional gambling place because I think that will have so many people gather in one place to play the game. If the government succeeds in controlling that, I think they will still allow offline gambling to operate. But for the illegal gambling place, maybe they need to find another way to communicate to the owner.

[FlightyPouch]

Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.

Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.

I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.

[Saint-loup]

Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.

Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.

I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.

Really? Where are you from?
How are you connected to internet, you are using a 3G or 4G mobile network with a smartphone?   

[AicecreaME]

Knowing that gambling is banned in Thailand, I think people just wanted to gamble or use their money to bet but it is illegal so they find their ways. I agree that they should just legalized gambling as it is a good source of taxes for them. If they will be really strict with these regulations, they will be taking the hard way dealing with these people.

Legalizing gambling would be the most logical thing to do. The reason is that with internet being available in every nook and corner of the world, banning casinos doesn't make any sense. Gamblers can simply use online casinos and participate in various games using the internet. The only difference here is that the government will lose tax money, which they would have otherwise gained. The rich gamblers can even catch a flight and travel to countries where gambling is legal. The governments need to get out of "banning this, banning that" mentality.

I disagree with the internet as not all of us could use the internet unlike the rich and middle-class people would do. In our province, we are still having a hard time dealing with the internet even with just the signals of our phones. The more they are getting their laws or rules more strict, the better these people would evade them.

Also add the fact that not because it is legal means that it is a good thing to do, and it doesn't make any sense as well that if a Government will do such thing but will not gain any benefit from it. Government needs taxes to sustain the whole country's needs, and they just have to choose which gambling casinos or sites they need to legalized to prevent poverty.

That's why physical casinos are for wealthy people only, for the poor people or even middle class stop entering such gambling world because they can't afford it. However, people still do gamble in their own ways so basically it's just all nonsense if we're not going to cooperate.

[Silberman]

Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.

That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.

[just_Alice]

Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.

That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.

And the governments take that into consideration, it's not like it will be a gambler's job to seek legal casinos, the whole point of these restrictions is to limit access to black market casinos and thus eliminate the possibility of people using those websites. The major problem (and the reason why despite the given number of legal casinos people still go for illegal ones) is that the government isn't really a professional in the gambling sphere, so they can't provide people with decent alternatives.
Also, I think the govs are shutting down the black market not in order to punish gamblers, but simply because there's no tax on such casinos, which means no profit for the government, which is a potential threat to the economical stability of a certain country.

[AmoreJaz]

Yes, there are always people who support illegal gambling for a simple reason, it's profitable. Also, for some gamblers the fact they are gambling illegal makes even a bigger thrill.

Isn't it obvious that people are expecting a profit that's why they gamble? Legit or illegal gambling, no difference in terms of probability to win.

The reason why people support illegal gambling is not that it's profitable but it's because of borderless and not much restriction. That's why while government thinks of a way to shut down illegal ones, they should also go after the people that support it.

That is never going to work, many of those that are gambling in those establishments do not really even know the place where they are gambling does not have the necessary permissions by the government to operate, it is not your job as a gambler to see if the place in which you are gambling has everything in order, most people that gamble only want to get some fun and are not really interested in the profits that they can have, they do not want another headache in their lives so I think it is a complete mistake to try to punish them when they are not the ones that are violating the law directly.

And the governments take that into consideration, it's not like it will be a gambler's job to seek legal casinos, the whole point of these restrictions is to limit access to black market casinos and thus eliminate the possibility of people using those websites. The major problem (and the reason why despite the given number of legal casinos people still go for illegal ones) is that the government isn't really a professional in the gambling sphere, so they can't provide people with decent alternatives.
Also, I think the govs are shutting down the black market not in order to punish gamblers, but simply because there's no tax on such casinos, which means no profit for the government, which is a potential threat to the economical stability of a certain country.

definitely, govt cant get tax the black market. but the govt should reconsider how they approach the gambling community. they can always legalise it in a way, it is not too taxing for the owners as we are still in crisis. these business owners will be forced to follow the legal process in order to continue their business. so it is a win-win situation for the govt and business owners. they need to thrive both during these times to support their people.

[Saint-loup]

Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

Lottery is a form of gambling. Do you want to consider only casino games under this category? And that is one of the reasons why other forms of gambling are banned in Thailand. The profits from national lottery goes to the government. And as far as I know, less than 25% of the revenue from the ticket sales are used for the prize pool. It is like a casino having house advantage of 75%. And therefore it is not surprising that they don't want competitors in that field.

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

Yes you are right it's a "form of gambling" as you say but for me it's not really pure gambling.
Usually you can't even decide how much you will bet on your ticket, the price is fixed.

[Vaskiy]

Thank you for the link.
Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

Lottery is a form of gambling. Do you want to consider only casino games under this category? And that is one of the reasons why other forms of gambling are banned in Thailand. The profits from national lottery goes to the government. And as far as I know, less than 25% of the revenue from the ticket sales are used for the prize pool. It is like a casino having house advantage of 75%. And therefore it is not surprising that they don't want competitors in that field.

Well if they include national lottery games in what they call "gambling" I'm a little bit less surprised after all.

What do you mean by here? A lottery is a form of gambling. By far, it's the biggest legal gambling in every country.

In most countries, lotteries are backed by a government. Some proceeds here are used in infrastructures, charities, and many more.

Yes you are right it's a "form of gambling" as you say but for me it's not really pure gambling.
Usually you can't even decide how much you will bet on your ticket, the price is fixed.

Lottery is completely upon luck. We take the ticket, and wait for the announcement of the winner through random pick of lotteries. Yes, lotteries have a fixed value and there is no need to risk big amounts to receive big return as we do with casinos. Different forms of lotteries are in usage around the globe. As users stated, lottery is just a game, which is being played regularly by people depending on luck nothing more than that. There are rare incidents where people have made calculations on the buying of tickets and succeeded.