[POLL] Do vaccines kill people?

[cmg777]

When the risk of morbidity or mortality from a disease is many orders of magnitude higher than the risk of any serious adverse effect from a vaccine, then the only logical choice is to take the vaccine.

Are you saying that humans do not have an "immune system"? I can sort of understand the fear that would drive an older person to get the vaccine due to their immune system diminishing.

If you didn't take the vaccine, you can't vote in my poll. You can still troll the thread but please stop multiposting, that's against forum rules.

And as you can see dead people are successfully voting so everything is fine.

Just like in the election, dead people can vote . So I can't multipost something "new" in your precious thread? I'm putting in new content, I don't understand the concept as you present it. Usually if the mods don't like my post or regard it as not presenting new content they remove it. I've been flagged before for just posting the one word.

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[o_e_l_e_o]

Are you saying that humans do not have an "immune system"?

I'm saying nothing of the sort.

[nightrider]

I think it could happen. A vaccine is a poison that is injected into the human body. If the human body is not healthy, the vaccine will cause them to convulse leading to death. In the world, there are many deaths after vaccination, especially young children. Doctors around the world should make the best vaccines to avoid the unfortunate happening.

[BADecker]

Do vaccines kill people?


More or less a silly question. Do cars kill people?
1. Some cars are never in an accident.
2. Some cars get in accidents that injure people, sometimes maiming them for life.
3. Some cars get in accidents that kill people.

With vaccines, we don't know. Why not? Because once you get a vaccine, you can't ever do it the other way, ever again.

What if you get a vaccine and live to ninety? How could you ever guess how long you might have lived if you had never gotten the vaccine? You might have lived to 110! But maybe only 70. Nobody knows, especially if you get the vaccine as a child.

The CDC says that vaccines kill people. They don't say that all vaccines kill people. But they do say that some vaccines kill people. Check it out in plain language at https://www.openvaers.com/.

Right on the home page they show that there were "998,726 REPORTS OF VACCINE ADVERSE EVENTS IN VAERS" and "12,839 DEATHS." This is the total for all the years that the CDC has had VAERS in operation... something like 30 or more.

Do vaccines kill people? The CDC says so in VAERS. And the Harvard School of Medicine shows in a longer-than-ten-years study, that VAERS gets only less than 1% of the reports. This means that there could have been as many as over 1,283,900 deaths since VAERS became operational.

Here is the funny part about this all. Since the Covid mRNA injections are not vaccine injections, they shouldn't be included in the same category as vaccines in the VAERS death reports. Since they are genetic RNA/DNA manipulation test injections, they should have their own section.

On top of this, VAERS reports about 4,000 anti-Covid injection deaths. But since they get less than 1% reported to them, Covid mRNA injection deaths could be as high as 400,000.

An additional mixer-upper in all this is, cause of death reports are subjective. The are subject to the best guess of the attending physician or examiner following the death. And the joker might have all kinds of bias regarding cause of death, this way or that.

The way we can tell that death was mRNA injection caused, was how healthy the person was before the jab, and how fast he got sick, afterward... and if there were any other things he did differently that could have been the cause of death.

But the big point is, the CDC doesn't really have a clue regarding any of it. The reports to VAERS were judgmental, by the judgment of the physician who determined the cause of death. The best source for this info is the anecdotal reports from friends and families of the person who died.

Vaccines DO kill. And the mRNA injected serum does kill. The CDC says so.

[suchmoon]

What if you get a vaccine and live to ninety? How could you ever guess how long you might have lived if you had never gotten the vaccine? You might have lived to 110! But maybe only 70. Nobody knows, especially if you get the vaccine as a child.

Actually we do know. Fewer people die from vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, and average life expectancy has gone up significantly over the last ~hundred years in large part due to vaccines.

Obviously if you die a in a car crash, vaccine is not going to help you. And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

[tvbcof]

... And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Vaccines sometimes turn people into long-term asymptomatic carriers.

They also form an ecosystem where pathogens mutate more readily in order to evade the sub-standard vaccination methods which are very much more limited than natural immunity through infection.

They are also a huge drain on society with all of their auto-immunity and other health problems.  When they get channeled into the chronic illness track and dependent on 'modern medicine' they quickly deplete their financial resources to where they cannot afford a pot to piss in.  Then we healthy people who can still think clearly enough to hold high paying technical jobs have to foot their bills.

If that isn't bad enough, it seems that some of the latest generation gene therapies are design such that the 'vaccinated' shed their degraded condition to others in the community who were smart enough to avoid being participants in the drug trial.

Thanks for nothing.

[BADecker]

What if you get a vaccine and live to ninety? How could you ever guess how long you might have lived if you had never gotten the vaccine? You might have lived to 110! But maybe only 70. Nobody knows, especially if you get the vaccine as a child.

Actually we do know. Fewer people die from vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, and average life expectancy has gone up significantly over the last ~hundred years in large part due to vaccines.

Obviously if you die a in a car crash, vaccine is not going to help you. And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Actually, we don't know. Cause of death is a judgmental thing in most cases, done by a doctor who thought the symptoms looked good enough to suggest that it was this or that.

Long ago, medicine threw away the robes of dignity that surgeons wore. But they are still keep up with the stupidity of turning assumptions and guesses into words written in stone.

[o_e_l_e_o]

The CDC says that vaccines kill people.

Millions of lives are saved each year because of airbags in cars. 1 person was suffocated from an airbag. Therefore, remove all airbags.

the sub-standard vaccination methods which are very much more limited than natural immunity through infection.

Go and Google images of polio survivors and iron lungs and see just how good natural immunity is, if you were lucky enough not to die in the first place.

[tvbcof]

the sub-standard vaccination methods which are very much more limited than natural immunity through infection.

Go and Google images of polio survivors and iron lungs and see just how good natural immunity is, if you were lucky enough not to die in the first place.

My dad had polio as a kid.  15 years later he was 'tending hook' meaning he was the guy who climbed most of the way up a 250 foot tree, cut the top out, rigged it with cable, then fitted a 1000lb block at the top.  I think it fair to say that he was not in an 'iron lung'.

To be fair, my great aunt also had it and she was pretty fucked up needing braces and a crutches for the rest of her life.

The famous pic of kid in 'iron lungs' was a publicity stunt to scare the shit out of people.  Basically a consolidation of a lot of the tiny minority who suffered bona-fide and permanent diaphragm paralysis.  Yes, it did happen, but it was not very common really.  It also actually happened that about half the population were injected with SV40 monkey cancer virus which was a component of the vaccine at that time.  4 out of 4 of my grandparents got cancer.  And both of my parents as well (though my dad was probably just told by the medicos that he had it and probably didn't because he ignored the diagnosis and it never amounted to anything.)

If people actually cared about 'polio' they would STOP doing the vaccine because reverted vaccine strain is causing most of the 'cases' in most places these days.  If wild strain comes back, then start vaccinating again.  The hypothesis that this global vaccination program is one of Gates tax write-off pet projects to limit population growth is much stronger than the hypothesis that that freak cares much for little niggers and other goyim.

[Cnut237]

My dad had polio as a kid.  [...] To be fair, my great aunt also had it and she was pretty fucked up needing braces and a crutches for the rest of her life.

It sounds horrific. Which is why the vaccine is so important.

4 out of 4 of my grandparents got cancer.  And both of my parents as well

But cancer is extremely common. I think it's a more than a stretch to link this to the Polio vaccine.

If people actually cared about 'polio' they would STOP doing the vaccine because reverted vaccine strain is causing most of the 'cases' in most places these days.

Okay, but the relative numbers are an important consideration here, and they utterly undermine that argument...

https://ourworldindata.org/polio#the-vaccine-against-polio

Since 2000, 10 billion doses of OPV have been distributed worldwide and only 24 cVDPV outbreaks have occurred, counting less than 760 cases.

Compare the scale on the y-axis across the two charts.

[af_newbie]

... And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Vaccines sometimes turn people into long-term asymptomatic carriers.
...

Not Covid-19 vaccines.

mRNA vaccines do not contain or produce pathogens.

There is no way for you to become an asymptomatic carrier from a covid-19 vaccine alone. 

You need to be infected with a real covid-19 virus to be a carrier.

[BADecker]

... And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Vaccines sometimes turn people into long-term asymptomatic carriers.
...

Not Covid-19 vaccines.

mRNA vaccines do not contain or produce pathogens.

There is no way for you to become an asymptomatic carrier from a covid-19 vaccine alone. 

You need to be infected with a real covid-19 virus to be a carrier.

Of course not. "Messenger" is what the "m" stands for. All that mRNA does is delivers the message, the instructions, showing the body how to produce the pathogens itself. The "RNA" in the mRNA is the delivery encryption service that makes the message to be understood by the person's cells.

You are totally right. Alone a vaccine doesn't train anybody how to be an asymptomatic carrier. It has to be injected to do that job.

Are you even thinking that there is somebody around somewhere that doesn't have a few Covid viruses in him? Maybe that old song, "The fool on the Hill." He's still up there, and hasn't gotten into the wind stream where there is a floating Covid virus, yet. But everybody in the cities has been infected by now. Most of them are healthy enough that Covid doesn't even bother them.

[tvbcof]

... And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Vaccines sometimes turn people into long-term asymptomatic carriers.
...

Not Covid-19 vaccines.

mRNA vaccines do not contain or produce pathogens.

There is no way for you to become an asymptomatic carrier from a covid-19 vaccine alone. 

You need to be infected with a real covid-19 virus to be a carrier.

Well, no shit.  That's what an asymptomatic carrier is!  You obviously don't understand the basic meaning of the phenomenon.

Though they (Pfizer studying their own product) found out that the so-called vaccine 'works' (reduces mild symptoms) in a matter of weeks, they've been trying to figure out if 'vaccinated' people can catch and spread the infection for half a year now.  The long delay on this rather easy and obvious thing to discover is almost certainly because the 'vaccinated' can and do catch and spread the infection and nobody wants to admit how much relative to the un-jabbed.

With pertussis, the vaccine makes it so that instead of getting a cough for a few weeks and clearing it, the wild strain lingers in one's body for months or years so you can spread it around that much more.  To make matters worse the duration of immunity for the vaccinated sucks and is getting worse as the bacteria evolves to around the vaccine (using the vaccinated to accelerate that process.)  The reason that real trials take years _approve_ is because it takes a while to discover ecological features such as this.

[suchmoon]

the bacteria

The coronabacteria? The one that causes COBAD-19?

[BADecker]

Search on "They stopped testing on animals because they were dying," - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=They+stopped+testing+on+animals+because+they+were+dying&ia=web.

[af_newbie]

... And you can afford to be an antivaxxer because most people around you are vaccinated, so you're welcome.

Vaccines sometimes turn people into long-term asymptomatic carriers.
...

Not Covid-19 vaccines.

mRNA vaccines do not contain or produce pathogens.

There is no way for you to become an asymptomatic carrier from a covid-19 vaccine alone. 

You need to be infected with a real covid-19 virus to be a carrier.

Well, no shit.  That's what an asymptomatic carrier is!  You obviously don't understand the basic meaning of the phenomenon.

Though they (Pfizer studying their own product) found out that the so-called vaccine 'works' (reduces mild symptoms) in a matter of weeks, they've been trying to figure out if 'vaccinated' people can catch and spread the infection for half a year now.  The long delay on this rather easy and obvious thing to discover is almost certainly because the 'vaccinated' can and do catch and spread the infection and nobody wants to admit how much relative to the un-jabbed.

With pertussis, the vaccine makes it so that instead of getting a cough for a few weeks and clearing it, the wild strain lingers in one's body for months or years so you can spread it around that much more.  To make matters worse the duration of immunity for the vaccinated sucks and is getting worse as the bacteria evolves to around the vaccine (using the vaccinated to accelerate that process.)  The reason that real trials take years _approve_ is because it takes a while to discover ecological features such as this.

Vaccinated people can as easily get infected with covid-19 as non-vaccinated people.  What happens after they get infected differs diametrically between the two groups.

If you think that vaccinated people cannot get infected by the covid-19 virus, you don't understand how the immune system works and how vaccination protects you from getting sick.

BTW, you lose antibodies pretty quickly, but the memory cells will stay in your immune system for years, and when you get infected you will quickly develop antibodies and eliminate the threat that viruses like covid-19 pose.

When you are vaccinated and get infected with the covid-19 virus, your body will eliminate the virus well before you show any symptoms.  So you might be 'a carrier' for few hours, LOL.  You definitely will not be spreading anything as the viral infection will be stopped in its tracks.

Vaccination against covid-19 prevents the long-term organ damage or death the covid-19 virus can cause. 

Not vaccinating yourself and your loved ones is plain stupid and irresponsible, IMHO.

PS. This virus will not be eradicated unless all of us get vaccinated and wear masks until the case count drop to zero. 

[tvbcof]

the bacteria

The coronabacteria? The one that causes COBAD-19?

Pertussis is a bacteria.  You can try moving your lips if it helps read better.

[suchmoon]

the bacteria

The coronabacteria? The one that causes COBAD-19?

Pertussis is a bacteria.  You can try moving your lips if it helps read better.

You can try arguing your point without straw people (or straw bacteria) but I know that's too hard for you. We just need to assume that COVID-19 vaccines are bad because bacteria.

[tvbcof]

With pertussis...the bacteria...

The coronabacteria? The one that causes COBAD-19?

Pertussis is a bacteria.  You can try moving your lips if it helps read better.

You can try arguing your point without straw people (or straw bacteria) but I know that's too hard for you. We just need to assume that COVID-19 vaccines are bad because bacteria.

You snipped 'pertussis' out of my text.  I added it back.  Anyone who can read can see that I was using it to describe an example of asymptomatic carriers cause specifically by a poorly implemented vaccine program.

I'm sure you believe that the covid-19 'vaccine' was rolled out with the utmost care and rigor...cuz reasons...but it is plain to any semi-coherent person that it was not.  Exactly the opposite in fact.  The reason people still need masks is that 'vaccinated' can still get and spread the thing which sounds a lot like it started out failed (unlike the pertussis vaccine which did work for a while.)  And no, it is NOT the common case that the vaccines never stop infection or transmission.  Up until the brainwashing of 2020 that would be laughable and completely nullifies any argument for 'herd immunity'.  But such a concept is well beyond your cognitive reach obviously.  Most other sheep-people's also so don't take it to hard.

[Renampun]

Inspired by our dear P&S celebrity BADecker:

The vaccines kill, and the deaths are being hidden.

I must say I have some doubts about this statement. Let's have a quick vote and set the record straight. Obviously only vaccinated people can vote because we can trust only first-hand experiences. So if you have been vaccinated please let us know if you're still alive or not.

I have been vaccinated with the Sinovac vaccine and am still alive today...

I live near the hospital area, to avoid local residents being exposed to Covid 19, local residents are required to take part in the vaccination program by the government, at first my hands cramped a little and was very sleepy but a few hours later my body returned to normal and until now there is no problem whatsoever with my body.