john_nautica
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July 03, 2021, 02:39:56 PM |
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There is reason why terms and conditions exist in these gambling sites in the first place, and there is also a purpose why it signed by players through the question of agreement. By agreeing in such, rules and regulations must be applied and complied with throughout the entire game experience. But many fails to do so, and the bunch of ranting and posts of regret are proofs of this. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to be read upon signing up, notwithstanding that the status of money and progress is at stake upon one’s understanding of game terms and conditions.
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LUCKMCFLY
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July 03, 2021, 03:13:28 PM |
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I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. ?? but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.
Im guilty with this one too. Whenever i do see those terms and conditions and you would need to tick out that "I agree" tick box then i do just simply click that and wont tend to read up a very long pile of text which i do believe that majority is really having the same behavior. For someone who do play with small amount or just simply come and go with different gambling sites then they arent really minding much because just like other members said that terms are almost the same to each other or anytime. Important thing is that you do deal with the legit site or platform because you can somewhat have that assured feeling. In this instance I never used to read the Terms and Conditions, but for a long time if I have to read them, when you are in a country that is very likely prohibited, it is necessary to read to avoid having a bad time. In fact, in many topics in the Gambling section, many players will enter complaining about the site because they cannot make their withdrawal of earnings, and it is because of the VPN issue, some refuse to give KYC and others give it and reject it, I think that in the T&C if they are read it would avoid many bad times. I am one of those who think that licenses should not limit people from other countries, everyone has the right to play regardless of the country of origin, that they limit them for purely political issues, casinos and crypto should really skip these demands.
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July 03, 2021, 03:23:46 PM |
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I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.
Very possible, you need to make sure that you are well updated with all those house rules, it might harm you in the long run especially when your account being tag doing suspicious activities, If you know the house rules you can simply defend your account by stating all those you understand from their terms and conditions. Better to always make it a habit to understand aside from reading those long narrative house rules, never to skip if you plan to stay and use the service of that particular house.
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July 03, 2021, 06:28:39 PM |
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I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.
Very possible, you need to make sure that you are well updated with all those house rules, it might harm you in the long run especially when your account being tag doing suspicious activities, If you know the house rules you can simply defend your account by stating all those you understand from their terms and conditions. Better to always make it a habit to understand aside from reading those long narrative house rules, never to skip if you plan to stay and use the service of that particular house. I think if you use serious and legit online casinos you won't have any issues under normal circumstances. I mean all the good and reliable casinos pretty much have the same terms and conditions. If there is any hidden stuff such that out of thin air they freeze your account, I probably wouldn't use them again anyway.
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jostorres
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July 03, 2021, 09:31:39 PM |
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Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund. So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.
Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone.
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July 03, 2021, 09:39:42 PM |
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Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund. So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.
Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone. Well, just because the terms and conditions [TOS] is the longest paragraphs that you will read and nobody will care to read it. Perhaps the frequently asked question [FAQ] is the most common page that usually visits just like me. But as a matter of fact, this is the most very important thing to read before signing up on the site, because you will never know what are those guidelines on the site and what are those don't and dos on the site that you must avoid.
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July 03, 2021, 09:42:36 PM |
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Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund. So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.
Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone. Well, just because the terms and conditions [TOS] is the longest paragraphs that you will read and nobody will care to read it. Perhaps the frequently asked question [FAQ] is the most common page that usually visits just like me. But as a matter of fact, this is the most very important thing to read before signing up on the site, because you will never know what are those guidelines on the site and what are those don't and dos on the site that you must avoid. Presumably those guidelines would really be having those common line of text whenever you do check it from time to time or tend to read up but of course there might be some differences but not really that much because it would only might differ on country restriction or they do set out some KYC for you to comply which would really suck if you do encounter it later on and wasnt expecting for that to happen and just because you had missed on reading it up then it would really be a big problem. Terms and condition should really be read up but we know that almost 100% will just simply skip out and wont tend to do so.
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TheGreatPython
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July 03, 2021, 09:46:37 PM |
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For those who gamble in large amounts and are really looking for profit in gambling, then of course reading all the terms and conditions is a priority before making a deposit. But for mediocre players who are just looking for fun and making deposits with money ready to lose, I think reading those things can be put aside first and this is what I usually did in the past and it's proven, I've never had problems with withdrawals. Although sometimes I get problems like account frozen etc, in the end the problem can still be solved as long as we are on the right track and maybe it depends on the service they have too, so be careful.
I get the feeling that reading all the long terms of a casino must be a boring process but I still feel that even you are gambling small amounts, you must read the terms and conditions. It takes a few big hits when you jump from being a small player to hitting the high roller's tab and if you haven't read the terms, you might be forced to verify your identity which depending on the individual can be problematic.
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July 06, 2021, 09:40:31 AM |
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Yeah, but, I mean, do you really read them? You'd be like the first person I've ever seen who's reading T&C "at least once in a month".
Yes, it's very important, but with that many words to read only a few people can do that. A good solution would be limiting the number of words in T&C by law, which was discussed earlier in this thread.
Actually it is very important to read the terms and condition of every gambling site that you are going to join in but honestly speaking I am one of those people who used to skipped to read some information written in the T&C. I know that every details written in the Terms and Condition has a significance but to much too be read I mean I bet that some or many of us skipped many words specified in it. It is boring to read such T&C composed of how many number of Terms and a lot of words that sometime you may not really understand why it is written here.Exactly. Some people even think that that many words are there with the malevolent purpose of confusing you. I can't blame them, it indeed looks like that: too many words, very small letters. People have been complaining for decades about T&C's unreadability. Since the world is changing for better overall, I'm sure this situation will change in the future as well.
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Obito
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July 06, 2021, 12:10:08 PM |
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Reading the TOS is important if we are new to a casino. Knowing in which jurisdiction they operate and what our rights are is important too. But we need do be aware that with Internet companies it can be very difficult in case of a dispute. Knowing that we are in the right and casino is wrong, doesn't mean we will immediately get our money back. The enforcement of our rights can take years with companies operating from overseas. My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.
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South Park
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July 06, 2021, 08:45:02 PM |
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The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract. If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.
While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.
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Lanatsa
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July 06, 2021, 09:58:51 PM |
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The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract. If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.
While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it. Boring indeed and not all would really be having the time on reading up a very long text whenever they do get engage on a new site or tending to play. They would just simply skip out and play right away which is a common behavior even myself would really be doing it most of the time. TOS is important to read because you would know the terms and conditions but if there are sudden alterations then that would already be a shady stuff.
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DoublerHunter
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July 06, 2021, 10:13:01 PM |
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~snip~ Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.
^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes.
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Wawa2013
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July 06, 2021, 10:30:05 PM |
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~snip~ Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.
^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes. Very good advice, if we are lazy to read the TOS, we can read the FAQ. Because important information related to gambling site rules is usually in the FAQ. But my advice, if possible, don't be lazy to read the TOS before registering at the gambling sites that we will use, in order to be able to choose gambling sites that match the criteria we are looking for. Because reading the TOS does not take a long time.
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paxmao
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July 06, 2021, 10:37:49 PM |
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In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. Perhaps we are becoming too used to large software companies or utility providers supplying us with pages long contracts of absurd legal terms that basically allow them to spy in your life, your house, your family and perhaps your pets. Most times, we are not really free to reject those terms, for example, at work, you have to accept the terms of use of certain software that your company uses even if you are not happy about it taking a look at your work habits and the like. At least when joining a casino, make sure that you do read those terms because you do have a choice there.
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July 07, 2021, 12:25:10 PM |
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We should always read it to know what we should avoid, It isn't just on gambling but also in all of the things that have that kind of agreements. And for me it isn't just the Terms and condition that we should read but also all the permission that you would accept from certain apps.
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michellee
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July 07, 2021, 04:06:45 PM |
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Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.
It will be the important thing that gamblers must know before they end up gambling. If they can not withdraw because of a little mistake, that will make them regret it. Besides that, if they already read about the other gamblers mistakes, I think they will try to avoid that and make sure that they will not break the rules. Maybe the casino will change some rules based on the conditions, but the gamblers must follow every rule from the casino. People don't realize that agreeing to some online casino's Terms & Conditions is the same as signing a piece of paper without reading what was written on it. I hope we all understand and realize how dangerous it could be signing a paper without reading, equally if not more risky is signing up to a casino without actually reading everything the casino has in their Terms & Conditions. It takes hardly 15-20 mins to read all the Terms & Conditions roughly and if some point you feel has a trick or some kind of error which might trouble you later, take more time and read it carefully. It's your money and you cannot do much if you agreed to some exploitative conditions while signing up o the casino. Maybe that is because they do not think that they will deposit more money to gamble so they do not read the Terms & Conditions. If they do not have a problem, they will not read until they get a problem and realize that they break the rules. Unless you do not deposit too big and not playing gambling too often like the other player, you do not have to read that. Spending 15-20 mins is too long for them but maybe they will just read the point and continue playing gambling. I hope we read all the Terms & Conditions or at least, we can do that when we take a break to know the main rules.
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July 07, 2021, 04:31:44 PM |
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In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.
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July 07, 2021, 07:29:31 PM |
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In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point. That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions.
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Fatunad
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July 07, 2021, 09:32:52 PM |
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In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point. That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions. Not really necessary to read up all the pile of text and as mentioned that reading the highlights or the most important ones should be enough for you to be aware on what are the things you should avoid to prevent possible headaches or problems in the future specially if you are a big wagerer then that would surely counts or does matter. For sure most of us doesnt really care on reading up TOS which is understandable considering on how long it is then no gambler would have the time nor waste up any moment on reading it and they would just play it right away.
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