Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site

[Zilon]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

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[YOSHIE]

I hope your advice can be a good piece of advice, especially for gambling bettors on this forum, choosing a responsible and fair gambling site.

However, I see every time there are complaints of scam gambling sites, it's always the ones that have problems (beginners) and I think most of them are cheated on various gambling sites, not a member who has been in this forum for a long time, just outside the forum, somehow knows this forum, after they were tricked into coming and complaining here.

I can't understand that there are always victims every day by scam gambling sites, hopefully in the future all those involved in gambling should really review and investigate whether certain sites are good or not, worth playing or not.

[Yogee]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section. I bet everyone is already aware of all that. I just want to add that some of the terms and conditions changes over time and it can happen long after you signed up. There are also cases when casinos made sudden changes after they were accused of something.

[ethereumhunter]

Before a gambler plays gambling, he must read reviews to select the gambling site. He can found many recommended gambling sites here, whether KYC or non-KYC, to select which he wants to use. But if he found the site from outside of this forum, he really needs to be careful because sometimes the review is paid and that people who made the review ask to give a fake review.

But it is not recommended to use gambling as a job because the risk will be bigger than the income and lose all of their money. They can play gambling anytime they want but never use gambling as an occupation because that will be too risky. Having control will be necessary for gambling as we need to take care of the money and not lose too much money. If you can not afford the loss, you do not have to play gambling at all.

[kryptqnick]

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

[fiulpro]

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.
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They can also put few points differently for example:- USE OF VPN IS NOT ENTERTAINED, this way people can for sure see what they are getting into and see if it suits them. They should additionally tell the people about the fee, withdrawal fee and terms and conditions in a short and precise manner.
Plus why can't everyone do this ? Every site in this world ?

[Wexnident]

Well most rages and disagreements just stem from being the user playing on a scam site itself, or them not reading the TOS. Most of the scenarios constitute of the two, one being the user at fault, the other being the casino at fault (tho tbh, it's rather obvious at times what a scam casino is so in that case, it's the user at fault). The chances of users complaining due to a site being unfair due to a situation or whatnot is actually quite rare, and finding fault between the two can be rather hard depending on the situation.

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.
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They can also put few points differently for example:- USE OF VPN IS NOT ENTERTAINED, this way people can for sure see what they are getting into and see if it suits them. They should additionally tell the people about the fee, withdrawal fee and terms and conditions in a short and precise manner.
Plus why can't everyone do this ? Every site in this world ?

Facts tbh. The damn wall of text isn't just long, it also sometimes uses complicated English that one wouldn't normally use unless one actually read a lot of official/scientific documents and whatnot. It's not even the lingo, it's just the usage of the words itself. Add on to that how other players aren't really native English speakers, well, that just makes it hard for both sides.

[RealMalatesta]

I see every time there are complaints of scam gambling sites, it's always the ones that have problems (beginners) and I think most of them are cheated on various gambling sites, not a member who has been in this forum for a long time, just outside the forum, somehow knows this forum, after they were tricked into coming and complaining here.

That is exactly how 1xbit is operating right now. They are very well aware that they are exposed and almost everyone knows about their scam operation but because a lot of new users google crypto gambling so they pay some of the blogs and review sites to list them at the top or among the top few to make sure they get new players and continuously find customers to scam.

I feel like if people can just search on the forum about the gambling site they are about to play and deposit at, most of them will avoid getting scammed because the forum is such a good indicator of these sites' reputation that if someone understands the forum even a little bit, they can easily know the full history of the website and even their past record.

Reading the terms is important but if you end up playing at a scam casino that has legit terms, then it doesn't matter and you will be scammed most likely but if you visit a legit website with slightly poor terms and conditions, then you might be safe still.

[Fortify]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

I think the only people who can seriously convert gambling into an occupation are either skilled sports bettors (who are always up against opponents with much larger statistical analysis tools) and a very small pool of professional poker players (both multi-tablers and the high stakes players who can beat the house rake profitably). On your main point - many people will also be caught out by the terms & conditions that are attached to welcome offers, which can sometimes look extremely attractive, e.g. $250 free, but might have very unrealistic timeframes or require many thousands to be wagered so will only be unlocked by a tiny percentage of players but make the casino look generous when advertising. Definitely make sure you thoroughly read these sign up offers - some require placing the right bet the first time or will void everything.

[bL4nkcode]

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.

Well, maybe it works like that but all terms and conditions really has long text, didn't see any in short phrases especially to those websites that collect data and regulated with the authorities.

Also, tos can be changed without you noticing it, while it's okay when you register, but after that they simply ask or require something because they just following their terms that was just changed a while ago, I have experienced such scenario many times and I end up following what they requires or just forget the account.

[AmoreJaz]

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.

Well, maybe it works like that but all terms and conditions really has long text, didn't see any in short phrases especially to those websites that collect data and regulated with the authorities.

Also, tos can be changed without you noticing it, while it's okay when you register, but after that they simply ask or require something because they just following their terms that was just changed a while ago, I have experienced such scenario many times and I end up following what they requires or just forget the account.

this is true, they may change the content of their ToS without you noticing it. so if you are heavily invested or a high roller on a specific casino, you should always check their ToS every once in a while or at least those sections that you feel you need to abide by.
and with those wall of texts, some people are really not that keen on reading the content of ToS. but as i said, if you have significant amount to play with, reading and understanding their terms will be your saviour, if in case something goes wrong with your account.

[Hippocrypto]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Every gambler has the responsibility to check every terms and conditions, this is very important so they'll avoid serious circumstances when there's changes made. Losing fund through the site rule implementation is disappointing, so I am advising all those who haven't withdrawn their tokens earned to do it now. We need to secure funds before anything else happens, one example is the maintenance of gambling site which is really a potential problem that's going to exist.

[Renampun]

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our habit is lazy to read T&C

I do this when I want to try a new gambling site, because the site may suggest KYC for withdrawals or make a minimum withdrawal. reading the terms of service is very important and should not be missed.

[robelneo]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Not only reading it and accepting it after sign up, but you should check for any update about their terms of condition, this is very important you should follow and check if there are new updates you can do it by subscribing to their newsletter or channels if you are betting heavily on one casino, you should fully be acquainted of their status, if they are still legit and if they are still a non KYC and will let you withdraw a big amount, if ever you won a big amount, you should consider this scenario.

[shield132]

I guess 99% (if not 100%) of people don't fully agree with the terms that the casino provides but finally, when you want to gamble, there is no other choice but to agree with the offered terms.
So, most crypto casinos share the same Terms & Conditions and Curacao license. But what happens now? Now people should start to look at whether this or that casino easily asks for KYC in certain cases. If the user finds that casino A doesn't ask for KYC when you win and doesn't really ask if there isn't anything suspicious, then the user will stick with casino A, especially if it has good promotions and bonuses.
Luckily, there are really a lot of good casinos out there that really match the criteria of my casino A example.

[passwordnow]

Usually, we just sign up and just go whatever the terms are. But if you're a meticulous person and you're hearing some not so good reviews to that casino that you're about to sign up then you'll have to read those important parts of the TAC that casino has.
And mostly, we're looking to the withdrawal option and the KYC if they're requiring it as per sign up each person or they have some limits for withdrawal despite no need to comply to KYC.

[maxreish]

But if one player agrees to play in a particular gambling site, those terms of services shall be followed as the site has the rights to control your withdrawals and can not fully access the site.  

Some gambling site doesnt force you to do some KYC but I know one site that has benefits if you do some KYC for both players and site owners. As those bonuses increases when you do KYC for players. On the other their side it is for assurance that player will not abuse the site system and making sure the player is not underage.

[harizen]

Generally, it's already a basic rule of thumb nowadays to always read the Terms and Service, not just in gambling site but to other sites as well.

But for me, on some gambing sites, I admit I rarely read the TOS especially if the site was already built their name. That's I called I played on that site because of self-reviews by their users.

I only read TOS on new sites especially the section about Know-Your-Customer, using Virtual Proxy Network and prohibited regions.

[Darker45]

First and foremost, gambling shouldn't be treated as a source of income. Treating gambling as a source of income would be one of the biggest mistake any gambler could commit. It is a perfect recipe for bankruptcy. Quite the contrary, gambling should be treated as a way to waste your income.

Secondly, it is unusual for an ordinary gambler to read all the site's terms and conditions before finally opening an account and making a deposit. While it is advisable to do exactly that, I understand if people just proceed ticking on the I read and understand box and create an account. But in lieu of going through detail by detail a gambling site's ToS, I guess it is enough to read client-based reviews.

[Lorence.xD]

our habit is lazy to read T&C

I do this when I want to try a new gambling site, because the site may suggest KYC for withdrawals or make a minimum withdrawal. reading the terms of service is very important and should not be missed.

That's how it was written, to not be read by the users so they can get their consent, have you ever wondered why they use that kind of language? That's because they want to make sure that you get bored and they can slip some terms that is disadvantageous to you. If you have the patience then good for you because you know what you're going to get. Also, a lot of T and Cs is your gateway to accessing the website so in the end it doesn't matter if you've read it or not.

[STT]

Nobody reads the T&C because nobody is really sure they will keep on using a site after the first time they sign up to look at it.   I certainly would recommend reading the T&C before putting any larger amounts on that site because of the problem it can be one way in allowing deposits but raising objections when it comes to withdrawal.   Most people know about bonus deposits and qualifying in terms of betting volume before being allowed to take it back out, obviously you cant just deposit and get 30% extra then pull it back out but there's more complexity to T&C that shouldn't require me to pass the Bar exam to qualify as a legitimate customer.
  I've definitely had the problem of depositing and using a site tons, they wanted my driving license to withdraw anything then later said it wasn't enough and wanted the original birth certificate to be provided to their address internationally.   After that they disappeared in an exit scam when the market went through its next cycle and they were doing less business, this isn't a rare thing.  The site I used was a sponsor of tier 1 teams at least briefly but weren't a long term operation.  I was fortunate in that I hedged my bets and gained a balance elsewhere by betting against bets I took on the site that had refused my withdrawal but I still lost some.    I'm really not keen on overly high fees that occur to withdraw for that reason.

[kotajikikox]

It is always been our Obligation as gamblers/players to know whats the rules and i believe in everything that we will be entering has a need to read Terms and Conditions . or their rules.

though at first i am not a fan of reading TOS but eventually after many issues that i read in many gambling site then i put myself of checking every single details before i create accounts or at least deposit.

[perfect999]

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

Sometimes it isn't even mentioned in terms and conditions while the casino would come up with a story that it was self-understood that using a VPN was not allowed while some casinos, namely stake, allows the use of VPN since it protects the identity of the player.

Play at a reputed and well known casino and you should not have too many hiccups on your way to cashing the profits.

[madnessteat]

First and foremost, gambling shouldn't be treated as a source of income. Treating gambling as a source of income would be one of the biggest mistake any gambler could commit. It is a perfect recipe for bankruptcy. Quite the contrary, gambling should be treated as a way to waste your income. ~

Absolutely right. Players able to ensure a life by earning money in the casino are few, but many of us still try to comprehend this wisdom and lose their last funds but still do not get the desired experience. The work should not have such high risks and the casino should be visited only for the enjoyment of the game itself.

[bittraffic]

No one can prevent the gamblers from investing in the bankroll for the casino for its allowed and they earn through it that is why they considered it a money generating platform as sort of an income. We have seen investor's reviews about these casinos, it's perfect as it's low risk. We know the odds are always in favour of the house. but then of course read the terms and conditions, sometimes they change it.

[virasisog]

Most gamblers ignore reading TOS since they assume most reputable gambling site don't have complicated TOS and doesn't require KYC. However, this can change depending on the platform. You will read posts here that accounts and funds are frozen without knowing they have violated TOS since they haven't read it on the first place. To avoid such inconvenience or putting your account and funds at risk, spend time reading TOS before agreeing and signing up.

[lienfaye]

There are many casinos existing nowadays and they have their own promos and bonuses offered so gamblers would stay and keep on playing on their sites. This is one of the reason why some of us ignore reading the TOS before playing since we are not certain if we will stick to that particular casino.

Its really a must to do some research first and read their TOS to understand the rules specially when it comes to withdrawal to avoid having issues later on. I often do this before playing but it doesnt mean I am going to stay because it will depend on my experience and how convenient the site is.

But anyway just a reminder to only gamble the money that is not meant for important things, we know gambling is risky and no guarantee to grow our money.

[Oshosondy]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

The terms of service are very long and this makes people no to be reading it, but not reading it is just carelessness because their are some gambling sites that may have terms that punters may not like, like taxing and some other terms which some people can hate and not use such gambling site due to one or two unfavorable terms.

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

Before the onset of online gambling, gambling has been a business offline in which such gambling offline casinos pay taxes and up till now, but gambling are getting more income than before, there are now more gambling sites, while more people are joining to gamble, but it has been a business since long time ago.

But anyway just a reminder to only gamble the money that is not meant for important things, we know gambling is risky and no guarantee to grow our money.

There is nothing right more than this, gambling with the money we can afford to lose because we can actually lose the money while gambling.

[AicecreaME]

I agree.

But at some point, even though you missed or disregard reading their terms and conditions, some of gambling sites will pop up some notification that you can't deposit yet unless you're already passed the KYC requirements, if I'm not mistaken.

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

[ethereumhunter]

It is always been our Obligation as gamblers/players to know whats the rules and i believe in everything that we will be entering has a need to read Terms and Conditions . or their rules.

though at first i am not a fan of reading TOS but eventually after many issues that i read in many gambling site then i put myself of checking every single details before i create accounts or at least deposit.

That is right. At least, we can prevent from making a mistake for deposit and withdraw the money and just in case we want to test the site and think that the site is good. By reading their Terms and Conditions, it will help us to know their rules.

What you did is right because we will not have a problem. Maybe that is the thing that every new gambler should do when they find a new gambling site from the outside. But if they find the site from here, I think they can read the reviews from the members to know more about the rules.

[robelneo]

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

It will be a big issue if suddenly they want to change their terms just so you cannot withdraw your earnings because it is a big amount, this is a big warning sign, and worthy to create an accusation thread in the scam section, that is why you should only play with big online casinos if you are going to deposit a huge amount because the big and highly reputable gambling site will let you withdraw and will not play dirty by immediately changing their rules, always get updated on any changes on their rules so you can change shift in your playing whether you want to continue playing or go for other casinos.

[Wexnident]

Some of them also likes surprises, you'll never know their KYC unless you have a big amount of profits in your account and they will suddenly requires it just for you, like they will require a lot of personal informations for you to pass their KYC but in the end, they still won't let you withdraw it, which is infuriating.

It will be a big issue if suddenly they want to change their terms just so you cannot withdraw your earnings because it is a big amount, this is a big warning sign, and worthy to create an accusation thread in the scam section, that is why you should only play with big online casinos if you are going to deposit a huge amount because the big and highly reputable gambling site will let you withdraw and will not play dirty by immediately changing their rules, always get updated on any changes on their rules so you can change shift in your playing whether you want to continue playing or go for other casinos.

at that point isn't that just plainly a scam? Doing the required procedures and then denying you of withdrawing even with it done seems to be wrong in their side, and they wouldn't really do it if they were a legitimate site. Besides, TOS changes should be given at least a week before it is implemented, rather common-sense imo. If it wasn't done like that, then leave the casino immediately honestly, it's just a waste of time. Even if they were to immediately implement the TOS in a single day, maintenance of an hr should be given and a notice of updates should be received by the users the moment they log back in.

The advent of online casinos (or any online business for that matter) has been in existence for way too long that missing these kinds of simple stuff is enough to be a red flag for that casino.

[Fundamentals Of]

How I wish everybody could really take time not just to read but also to digest what is being stated in gambling sites' terms and conditions. But I doubt the high percentage of gamblers are really into this boring yet very important task. I myself don't read terms and conditions before using a gambling platform. But mine might be a different case because I don't make big deposits for gambling.

I have read a number of terms and conditions but it usually comes after an account has already been set up. When I read terms and conditions it is usually because there is a certain controversy or an issue which somehow compels me to check the site's terms and conditions.

[macson]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

[imstillthebest]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

if they do that they should make an announcement for their players to know but reading the terms and condition at the start of your registration is a must because if a casino accuse you on something , you will have a proof that you dont violate any terms .
each has a reason on why they did not read the terms and condition , there is that laziness , there is they think the casino is trusted but if we play seriously with bigger funds , reading terms and condition should be a habit .

[peter0425]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

[Strongkored]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

I think that those who don't read the ToS first before registering aren't newbie or fool gambler, could be many are because when they first came to the gambling website, they were tempted by the promos and all the bonuses that made them a little negligent of the ToS. myself when reading the ToS focus more on the Deposit, Withdrawal and restriction areas.

[Kittygalore]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

Well, even if you read all the terms and conditions, most websites that requires a registration is probably requiring everyone to accept the Terms and Condition before registering an account which means that reading is pretty much futile.

[iv4n]

Only newbie and fool gamblers does not able reading the TOS of every gambling site they are entering and play,
because in the end they are the cry baby in this forum becoming a victim of scam site that hiding in their TOS to take funds from players specially those who got to win big when they are withdrawing.

So you call me a "cry baby"?! Did you see me complaining and crying anywhere?

I don't read ToS before or after the registration! For all confusions, the first thing I do is asking support about it, they clear things for me... or at least they give me some contact (usually telegram) for more info!
In 7+ years in crypto gambling maybe I read a few lines here and there... and that's it! I never had any serious problems with any casino, some of them have some different rules, but I learn about it in the run... simple and small deposit and you check how everything works in practice! If I like the place I stay, if not I just leave them behind!

This thread reminded me of "South Park -  HUMANCENTiPAD"! What a crazy episode! 

[ipanks]

i'll bet that 70% of online gamblers don't read the terms and conditions before making a deposit....but another thing that is annoying is that many gambling sites change their terms and conditions a few years after they were launched and there are already many users.  For example, if previously gambling site A did not require KYC before a withdraw but change it after users reached millions.

Yes, indeed. If you can accept whatever will happen later, you do not have to read the term and conditions and play without a problem. But if you often play gambling and can win many times on the other website and you want to test your luck, then read that things will be important to know what is needed to avoid the mistake. But for filling KYC, I do not think that many gamblers want to do that because when we use crypto, we care for our privacy by not giving it to the other party.

[dunfida]

It is always been our Obligation as gamblers/players to know whats the rules and i believe in everything that we will be entering has a need to read Terms and Conditions . or their rules.

though at first i am not a fan of reading TOS but eventually after many issues that i read in many gambling site then i put myself of checking every single details before i create accounts or at least deposit.

I think this is applicable only to those who wants to withdraw if they win in a specific casino online but for those who only deposit just to have fun and play, I think they tend to enjoy their money while playing until it's all gone but for some instances there are people who casually wins but didn't read the ToS will end up blaming the casino if they weren't able to withdraw. Although, this doesn't seem always to happen since most of the people who complained are doing something shady and get caught by the security of their system. So it's most likely the bettor's fault.

[Mistafreeze]

The rate at which people are involving in gambling this days is alerming without them having thorough understanding in what they are into just because of the haste of making money. Alots of newbies had lost their funds just because they were not ready to read or not informed about the terms and conditions of a game or gamble before venturing into it.

It is very important for one to understand the level of risks that should be taken before involving in a gamble by not just focusing on the money that could be made. Newbies makes these mistakes  a lot which must be avoid in order to prevent lose of funds.

[harizen]

Newbies makes these mistakes  a lot which must be avoid in order to prevent lose of funds.

So not reading anything related to KYC is a mistake by newbies? What if they played on a famous site already wherein they do their homework that there's no such thing as KYC for a winning?

We should not take the blame that they are newbies why there's an event of losing funds. In reality, there are really new sites that take the KYC terms as a reason not to grant or allow the winnings of a certain user. Unprofessional at its finest.

The best thing to do would be, newbies should not entertain new sites even how legit they are. Or if they really want to test it, then face the risk.

[RealMalatesta]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section. I bet everyone is already aware of all that. I just want to add that some of the terms and conditions changes over time and it can happen long after you signed up. There are also cases when casinos made sudden changes after they were accused of something.

If a casino changes its playing terms and conditions even slightly in such a way that it affects the players then I am sure an email or an on-site notice would be given to the players because they must agree to the terms before they play.

These days I am seeing most crypto gambling and all other services like exchanges also keep updating their terms and user agreement to comply with latest government norms. I guess if we need a place which is fully licensed environment then we must need to accept those terms and conditions time to time.

[Rengga Jati]

This is actually a basic thing to do before registering on the gambling site, actually not only on gambling sites but on any site or platform. Sometimes, there are many important rules and also information o the T&C. However, some people may not care about the T&C. And they will care or read the whole T&C after they found some problem,s or issues during the gambling or using the platform. ANd because ignoring any T&C, they can make some mistakes, don't know the rules, and also lose some money.

Never regret anything if we don't pay attention to the T&C in a certain platform if something happens.

[Hamphser]

This is actually a basic thing to do before registering on the gambling site, actually not only on gambling sites but on any site or platform. Sometimes, there are many important rules and also information o the T&C. However, some people may not care about the T&C. And they will care or read the whole T&C after they found some problem,s or issues during the gambling or using the platform. ANd because ignoring any T&C, they can make some mistakes, don't know the rules, and also lose some money.

Never regret anything if we don't pay attention to the T&C in a certain platform if something happens.

Doesnt really only limit out on gambling platforms but any sites or service on where you should really be needing on reading up the terms so that you wont really be having some headache later on in case you had committed something.

There are instances though that there are some alterations or changes in terms suddenly which would really be in result into those sudden problems.

Its just part of reality that majority of us wont really be minding much about reading up Terms and conditions and just easily skip out and play directly.

[7788bitcoin]

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

Who in the right sense will take gambling as a major source of income, i would say the opposite until you have a magical recipe that no one knows considering there are a few big time players who live solely on gambling but not everyone has that kind of skill level to make a living with gambling.

I do agree with the part that you need to read all the terms and conditions before registered to a site and then the major aspect is whether the site can be trusted and whether they have any issues in the past.

Stake is a great site and they do not enforce KYC but there are a few sites that enforced KYC after winning big and you need to check everything if you are not willing to provide your identity to a gambling site.

[chaser15]

I'm also one of the few players here that don't bother reading the Terms and Conditions. I let the reviews to other users before I play on that site. I'm sure I will see and read anything about KYC at those reviews if that site is implementing it.

But if there's a time that I don't find any reviews about the site, it's a common thing for me to read the Terms and Conditions. Just everyone else, I don't like the KYC part of the gambling site especially if it will be asked right away.

[Vaskiy]

Whether it is a trading platform, gambling platform or something else. It is a must to go through the terms and conditions page, but one out of thousand will do this. Most of the users while signing up just agree and complete the registration. When there arises some issue with the withdrawal or fund transfer people gets response citing the terms and conditions from the support team. By that time people realise the mistake and that time things might've gone out of their hands.

[tippytoes]

Whether it is a trading platform, gambling platform or something else. It is a must to go through the terms and conditions page, but one out of thousand will do this. Most of the users while signing up just agree and complete the registration. When there arises some issue with the withdrawal or fund transfer people gets response citing the terms and conditions from the support team. By that time people realise the mistake and that time things might've gone out of their hands.

Actually, that's true. Most of us will just check the box stating that "I agree with Terms and Conditions" , without even opening this page. But if you have a lot of money to spend on a site, it is always better to at least read their terms so you will not be caught off guard when the site just suddenly froze or suspend your account. It is your money, so be responsible about it because not many people can help you if the fault is on your side.

[magneto]

I think more important than any T&C's are the reputation of the casino in question.

The fact of the matter is that T&C's are simply theoretical constructs that have no real implication in real life. Most crypto casinos have very similar T&C's when it comes to KYC & AML regulations, but the way enforce these rules are what decides their usability to someone who isn't willing to provide this information.

If a casino has a history of cherrypicking pedantic details in their T&C's, it's best to avoid them altogether. Whereas I'd trust sites like Bitsler and Justdice to not ask for KYC even if it is in their T&Cs.

[xSkylarx]

This is really important if you will gamble a large amount on that platform. Knowing your rights as a user will protect you incase they lock your account for some unknown reason and also for you to help avoid some violations. Some websites lock their user's account when they see that you win a huge amount, they will ask you something that will expose your privacy. Even if you submit a legal document they want, they still won't verify your account to withraw your profit from their platform.

[Obito]

Whether it is a trading platform, gambling platform or something else. It is a must to go through the terms and conditions page, but one out of thousand will do this. Most of the users while signing up just agree and complete the registration. When there arises some issue with the withdrawal or fund transfer people gets response citing the terms and conditions from the support team. By that time people realise the mistake and that time things might've gone out of their hands.

Exactly, the website will be the one liable if they don't present their terms and conditions to their potential users. Remember that even if they say in video that they don't collect your data, they still do it no matter what because they need to customize what you are seeing in their platform.

[semobo]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

First of all gambling is not an occupation so no one ever consider it as their source of income, its just another way to make money but you can't survive in this world from the winning bets alone.

Yes, it is very important to read the terms of their service especially about the VPN usage and one household per IP so that no one will get into a stage of frustration. Also make sure that the casino you are going to gamble accepts the players from your country because some casinos restricted players from certain countries which vaires from one casino to another.

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

To be honest, I think Terms and Conditions aren't for the users because if it was then probably we should've be able to not agree to it, I think they are there so the site removes their liability in case something happens to the users so even if you were to read it, you don't have that much choice unless you have the patience to find one where the Terms and Conditions are favorable to you but in my experience, most of them are the using the same.

[ralle14]

First of all gambling is not an occupation so no one ever consider it as their source of income, its just another way to make money but you can't survive in this world from the winning bets alone.

It can be an occupation but it's not recommended since the amount of gamblers that makes profit for a living is very small.

Yes, it is very important to read the terms of their service especially about the VPN usage and one household per IP so that no one will get into a stage of frustration. Also make sure that the casino you are going to gamble accepts the players from your country because some casinos restricted players from certain countries which vaires from one casino to another.

Most casinos rarely mentions the usage of VPN since it's most likely prohibited but some of them have very relaxed rules where you could get away with using a VPN for quite some time so it's always best to approach the support first if you're going to use it on their site.

[Alisha-k]

Most times I wonder how the expect their customers to read those lengthy posts before accepting it. For me I don't even bother going through it's content I just click on accept and if after using their services for a while and I don't feel comfortable with their services I quit and move on to another site but I know it's better to stick to one but most of this online casinos behave funny to their clients atimes

[zanezane]

This is really important if you will gamble a large amount on that platform. Knowing your rights as a user will protect you incase they lock your account for some unknown reason and also for you to help avoid some violations. Some websites lock their user's account when they see that you win a huge amount, they will ask you something that will expose your privacy. Even if you submit a legal document they want, they still won't verify your account to withraw your profit from their platform.

That's the only way you can access or register their site though, by accepting their terms and conditions. To me it's futile to read it because they're all just the same, kind of like if you've read one of them, you have read them all.

[Betwrong]

The problem is that often these texts can be very long, so it's hard to actually put yourself to reading all of it. But not reading at all is definitely too risky. I think that if a person is not willing to read all of it, the following things should be searched for and read: KYC policy, restricted countries, minimum/maximum deposit/withdrawal, rules (like no multi-accounting, perhaps no VPN and stuff like that). Also, if one's interested in bonuses, the wager requirements and other related conditions should be read.
You're right that this topic deserves attention. It seems to me that people often have negative experience because of being unfamiliar with the terms.

You are right.
I personally think it should be illegal to write such a long text ! They know no one has time to sit down and read pages. It can very well be made short! They use this trick to get people just sign up without any idea what they are getting into.
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Great point! I would limit the number of characters in Terms and Conditions to a readable amount, and force it through legislation. Really, we all know that no one reads those T&C exactly because of the length, but, of course it's always better for us to read it.

[bitterguy28]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

If you are not aware of reading the Terms of Service first before playing then never expect to be safe in your playing.

I don't blame them for losing their money but i blame them for being Weak and lazy to read and understand the rules first before putting their money at risk.

[semobo]

First of all gambling is not an occupation so no one ever consider it as their source of income, its just another way to make money but you can't survive in this world from the winning bets alone.

It can be an occupation but it's not recommended since the amount of gamblers that makes profit for a living is very small.

Yes, it is very important to read the terms of their service especially about the VPN usage and one household per IP so that no one will get into a stage of frustration. Also make sure that the casino you are going to gamble accepts the players from your country because some casinos restricted players from certain countries which vaires from one casino to another.

Most casinos rarely mentions the usage of VPN since it's most likely prohibited but some of them have very relaxed rules where you could get away with using a VPN for quite some time so it's always best to approach the support first if you're going to use it on their site.

There are professional poker players but someone who played poker on his mobile can't be a professional poker in the next day, it will take time and a lot of effort along with the luck on his side.

In terms some casinos mentioned about the usage of VPN or else we can simply ask them via support or even Bitcointalk ANN thread so we can get quicker response possibly.

[Karartma1]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

[Cling18]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

[barota]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

yeah , most of gamblors ignore pages of T&Cs , in my opinion bettors should avoid sites that have unclear terms or law for kyc i think some if not most they dont accept id card even , they sayed photo large or language must be in english , lot of fake and bad arguments , all of this for scamming people under the name of kyc the new scam that appeared recently by sites gambling is the fake of law kyc, i hope the will be solved in the future because lot of bettors lost their money because of kyc the crypto does not need kyc but the speed and ease in exchanging money yes

[avikz]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Well, reading terms and conditions is the most important part while choosing a new crypto casino. I would like to identify few very important points that one must read,

1. KYC requirements
2. If joining bonus is offered then wagering requirements
3. List of banned countries

These are the most important points to read in terms and conditions. If not clear, go ahead and ask their support team or head to bitcointalk forum ANN thread to see other's experience.

[jrrsparkles]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Well, reading terms and conditions is the most important part while choosing a new crypto casino. I would like to identify few very important points that one must read,

1. KYC requirements
2. If joining bonus is offered then wagering requirements
3. List of banned countries

These are the most important points to read in terms and conditions. If not clear, go ahead and ask their support team or head to bitcointalk forum ANN thread to see other's experience.

Also they accept multiple accounts for the same user or one account per user, because casinos with bonus and promotions never encourages multiple accounts but there are casinos which give rights to their customers to use as much as accounts they wants to create for their privacy and other so they are not going to get in that radar when they wager huge amount from different accounts.

[Mahanton]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

Actually guilty on this one where i dont really read up anytime i do make some engagement or make use of a certain site not only with gambling sites but in other sites as well.
Im not really fan of it since those long text are way too time consuming on reading up.I know the risk is there since you dont know actually the rules or their terms but based
up also on what you had said that i would just simply stick out to the reputable or known ones which you can already presume that they would really be good into their service.
Honestly, this is a must thing to be done on where you should be reading up ToS but im much sure that not all would be having this kind of behavior.

[Slow death]

Many casinos use TOS to harm customers, for example:

the person creates an account, the person makes a deposit of 10 BTC, and loses all bitcoin

the next day the person deposits 20 BTC and lost everything

the next day the person deposits 5 BTC and wins 20 BTC, when withdrawing money the casino will ask the person to do KYC and use TOS to block the person's funds.

this example I gave has happened a lot in recent years

[michellee]

This is really important if you will gamble a large amount on that platform. Knowing your rights as a user will protect you incase they lock your account for some unknown reason and also for you to help avoid some violations. Some websites lock their user's account when they see that you win a huge amount, they will ask you something that will expose your privacy. Even if you submit a legal document they want, they still won't verify your account to withraw your profit from their platform.

That's the only way you can access or register their site though, by accepting their terms and conditions. To me it's futile to read it because they're all just the same, kind of like if you've read one of them, you have read them all.

As long as we do not break their terms and conditions, it will not give us a problem. Unfortunately, even if we already read the terms and conditions, the casino can easily change it without us know because they will not be happy to see a gambler want to withdraw big money, even if they are already doing KYC. We really need to carefully select the gambling site to play gambling, win the games, and withdraw the win money with or without doing KYC and without breaking their rules.

[just_Alice]

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

Moreover, sometimes you can read all of it but there still will be some misunderstanding. For instance, regarding KYC verification. The owners can indicate in ToS that it will be required, plus what exactly is required (e.g. full address, ID photo, etc.), but what they don't tell you is that your photo must be of super high quality, your address must be indicated on an official document, but they can accidentally extract the wrong address, and sometimes it may take you >5 attempts to submit it and pass the verification. So reading ToS wouldn't help you in such a case.

I still think it's better to read it, but I don't blame people who don't, and I think reading reviews and looking at a reputation, in general, is more representative and helpful.

[adzino]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

You did agree to the terms of service when you create an account and start playing over there. So it is indeed your responsibility to read what you are agreeing to. Most casinos don't allow users to play from certain countries and they block access to the site. But people find their way around. When they get flagged, they start crying. The casino cannot verify that each and every user is following the terms of service or not. So when you get caught, be prepared to face the consequences for breaking the terms of service. Usually you will always get back your initial deposit and your winnings will highly likely for forfeited.

[DoublerHunter]

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.  

[iv4n]

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.  

What Finestream wishes to say is that "DO & DONT's" are pretty much the same everywhere, if you follow the logic! And what can you possibly want to do in one casino that you can't do in any other?!

If you are an honest player you will not have problems... at least not some big problems! But this doesn't apply to high rollers and people who have good winning streaks (most often with sports betting)! People with a lot of money should think twice before choosing a casino, they can be robbed! And people with long/big winning streaks often have problems with cashing out! With reading or not their ToS!

[Rengga Jati]

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Yeah, that is why I also said so:

This is actually a basic thing to do before registering on the gambling site, actually not only on gambling sites but on any site or platform.

We can't ignore reading the T&C because this is also one of the ways to know about the platform.
However, some people may still not be aware of it and skip reading the T&C, and only back to T&C when they only need certain information.
That's true, changing T&C will give an impact on the users, however, yeah once more that is their right that is of course based on certain evaluations.


But honestly, when there are so many wordings and sentences in the T&C, will really you all here read all of them one by one? Or only by skimming or focusing on certain points that are considered important?

[Johnyz]

To fully understand the site, reading the terms and conditions is a must and not just on gambling site as much as possible, make this one as a habit every time you create an account on any site. The important informations  that you may need , you can see here so I think this is very important. Some gambling site made changes on that without informing the players or the users, that’s why read it at least once in a month to see if there’s a changes that may affect your activities, you can prevent it by reading the ToS.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

But some casino had weird tos such we had to gamble certain amount before withdraw but they let everyone deposit any amount.  and I think that is the problem if some people dont really read tos  Fortunately, nowadays most popular online casinos make everythings easier. like deposits. withdraw. registers and others.

[Kyraishi]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

This is a very real threat in my opinion that is completely underrated by the crypto community.

People think that you can just get away with not reading T&C's and choose who you play with off of their reputation alone. But trust me, I've seen a ton of casinos and sportsbooks that have gone completely rogue after years of honest practice. Yet, they have stayed in business because they're able to leverage their Terms and Conditions and the nitty gritty inside them.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

You should be doing DD on any site you're parking a significant amount of funds on, period. This includes all casinos/sportsbooks. Take a look at their history, reputation, community engagement, physical location, and regulatory status. All of the above are important.

[rodskee]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

[rhomelmabini]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

Well, I guess it's true but if in the first place they read the t&c when most of the time it was being shown if you're trying to sign up on a site. The thing about this sites was they don't make it a requirement to read that long t&c and they just let it slide and mark/checked that "I agree" checkmark.

Just a suggestion I guess sites should adopt as well to have a documentations or some gitbooks were it's easy to dive onto t&c and other site stuffs. This gitbooks was somehow a trend especially in the DeFi space and it helps a lot.

[bitterguy28]

Just a suggestion I guess sites should adopt as well to have a documentations or some gitbooks were it's easy to dive onto t&c and other site stuffs. This gitbooks was somehow a trend especially in the DeFi space and it helps a lot.

Your intention is indeed Best mate but let's admit the reality here mate that T&C is a trap , actually gambling site use this as hiding place to take advantage of their gamblers , I know that not all of them but the truth is? by chance they already Knew these things but not even making action to Help players understand easily the terms .

[BuNga_cute]

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

But some casino had weird tos such we had to gamble certain amount before withdraw but they let everyone deposit any amount.  and I think that is the problem if some people dont really read tos  Fortunately, nowadays most popular online casinos make everythings easier. like deposits. withdraw. registers and others.

A popular crypto gambling site recently update their ToS and some gamblers are mad because of that one so I think, it's better to find some time reading the terms of Service so you can understand the risk of using that site because having a good reputation is not enough, you may find some rules that you don't want to comply so better to know it at first. I know some TOS are too long to read, but you can look on some important information there like the KYC, withdrawals and Deposit and the country restrictions.

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

[michellee]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

Newbies will learn about that rule because they will get the new experience once they want to withdraw the money but they need to verify themselves first. After they got that experienced, they will learn that they need to search for a gambling site that does not have strict terms and conditions to withdraw their win money. If they want to create multiple accounts just to playing gambling, the casino will know about that and maybe they will block them. Wise newbies will learn from their mistake

[Karartma1]

I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.
Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

[Desmong]

this is one of the biggest problem in online gambling now because those newbies has no idea how strict this can be once you violated but will never imposed as long as the situation is favoring the gambling site.

Just like creating multiple accounts? lol they will never come your way as long as you are depositing and playing , But once you Win ? specially some good amount of winnings ? that willbe the start of your nightmare .

A lot of gambling site have used this means to deprived gamblers of their ignorance since they never care about reading the terms that guide a particular gamble or game.
This does not only affects newbies but anybody that is not ready or too lazy to find out what it takes to go through the necessary rules of a game.
Gambling has a lot of ways to compromise its participants because of the perplexing rules that surrounds it.

[kotajikikox]

I don't think it's about being a newbie or not. It's a matter of being conscious (and cautious) about what we do: if there are pages of T&Cs they are there are for a reason. Most of the time those get written to safeguard the platform itself but reading between the lines and making sure the most important info (kyc, bonuses, country restrictions etc.) are clear it's very important.

I guess it is also about Newbie mate or not because those newbies mostly knows nothing about such kind of tricks from gambling sites so they mostly become the victim here but of course you are correct because it is every peoples obligations to read the rules first before entering everything.

Like I said, we don't need to read everything but at least what it's truly important.

well you will miss one if you don't go through the whole terms so we need to read everything .

[mitchr4]

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

We don't know whether it's profitable or not for players, but gambling sites should not make updates that harm the players. I mean, if the update suddenly occurs the gambling site must confirm the players whether they agree or not, so that he can secure their money from the site.

[Zilon]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

[uneng]

Who's gonna read pages and pages of T&Cs? Nobody.
Then what happens is that companies put some guardrails in place to defend themselves and the players that don't read them, when they get scammed start to blame the platforms.
But players should blame themselves first.
I also don't read everything but at least, using the search function, I make sure that I can do (or can't do) certain things.
The rest is pretty much the same on every platform.
Be smart people.

I admit that I'm one of those who skip the T&Csmost of the time especially if it's too long. However, the company should also consider the convenience of its users without asking or demanding for personal information just to pass the KYC. They should also try to keep their users. That's actually the reason why I always check for the legitimacy of every site that I'm using.

yeah , most of gamblors ignore pages of T&Cs , in my opinion bettors should avoid sites that have unclear terms or law for kyc i think some if not most they dont accept id card even , they sayed photo large or language must be in english , lot of fake and bad arguments , all of this for scamming people under the name of kyc the new scam that appeared recently by sites gambling is the fake of law kyc, i hope the will be solved in the future because lot of bettors lost their money because of kyc the crypto does not need kyc but the speed and ease in exchanging money yes

That is true almost nobody reads terms and conditions. In this case it's important to at least verify on google reviews about the casino you are going into. There are several sites which offer customers' reviews about every online gambling platforms nowadays. They aren't too extense like terms and conditions and still present a lot of useful informations which will be enough for you to decide if that is a good idea to play at that particular casino or not.
There are also comments' sections on these sites with more opinions from users and there are forums like bitcointalk which are very useful in this sense as well.

* Just avoid youtuber streamers opinions

[dunfida]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section.

I felt this should concern gamblers more so I choosed the gambling board for the thread but however the major point is my thought about gambling sites and how the lengthy their terms and conditions are. Looking so boring and tiresome. I don't know if it's done with that format so as to deter gamblers from reading them while the go about their hidden plots to loot from their clients

For sure no one really like to post up lengthy pile of text but they would really be needing to put up every single detail because that would surely be needed and for the users to know on what are the site rules
thats needed to be followed and would able to avoid possible problems in the future.Its actually for our own good or sake but due to laziness of most gamblers then this is mostly been neglected or ignored to be
read up and even myself do really find this tiring and boring to be read up anytime i do make out some switch up from gambling site to another gambling site so i cant really blame off people on why
they do really have this kind of behavior which is actually a common one.

[Fredomago]

For sure no one really like to post up lengthy pile of text but they would really be needing to put up every single detail because that would surely be needed and for the users to know on what are the site rules thats needed to be followed and would able to avoid possible problems in the future.

It's a must to take time reading important information to avoid having any probem in the long run, Even it's a boring thing to do but if you

are a serious gamblers who put decent money inside the house, you don't want to messed up when you need to withdrawn huge amount of money.

Its actually for our own good or sake but due to laziness of most gamblers then this is mostly been neglected or ignored to be
read up and even myself do really find this tiring and boring to be read up anytime i do make out some switch up from gambling site to another gambling site so i cant really blame off people on why they do really have this kind of behavior which is actually a common one.

yup! it's for the good of those gamblers who are using the platform, knowing the rules and be guided of everything will save time

if there's something wrong or some issue being raise to your account, if you know and understand the house rules you can easily

depend yourself too much quicker enlightenment of your case.

[just_Alice]

You have a point, but there's a reason people don't read ToS: they're extremely long and often written in a rather technical language, which normally people can't fully understand.

I'm a good example of that, I usually don't read the TOS as I'm thinking most TOS are all the same, it's more on technical but I believe the site would not make a stupid mistake to destroy their reputation, so my strategy is very simple, I usually play on a casino with a good reputation and has a big market as I know they'll ensure to keep that reputation intact.

^ Even though you are not reading the TOS but I think you must go first to the FAQ which is some of those questions come from the TOS. For me, reading TOS is a very important matter because you can read it there the DO and the DONTS which is causing possible mistakes every time you will use it. So if you have enough time to read the TOS much better. It is better if you want to protect yourself from possibly violating the rules and TOS is very important at all and nothing else matter.  

What Finestream wishes to say is that "DO & DONT's" are pretty much the same everywhere, if you follow the logic! And what can you possibly want to do in one casino that you can't do in any other?!

If you are an honest player you will not have problems... at least not some big problems! But this doesn't apply to high rollers and people who have good winning streaks (most often with sports betting)! People with a lot of money should think twice before choosing a casino, they can be robbed! And people with long/big winning streaks often have problems with cashing out! With reading or not their ToS!

Apart from high rolls and big wins, one should be careful when using bonuses and it's better to go through the terms and conditions once again and check what rules apply in order to withdraw after using them. I think this is the trickiest part, even with respected casinos there can be unpleasant situations where you'll be required to play a lot in order to withdraw.

[mindrust]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Nobody reads that crap mate. Do you read the ToS every time you update your phone's firmware or you install a new app? I don't think so.

I know everybody should but then you probably wouldn't install anything because 99 times out of 100 the ToS is there to protect them, not the consumers.

ToS is not above law. If you steal from them, they can sue you. If you don't play fair, they can stop doing business with you. They can't however seize your money, not more than the harm you caused otherwise that would be theft. They can always sue you for the harm you caused and try to get some more. That's legal.

[smyslov]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

[Genemind]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

[Sled]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

TOS is made long for us not able to understand it carefully, actually, who bothered to read for the how many pages, it is time-consuming. And instead of spending time reading the whole story and sites policy, it is much better to familiarize the site. Because I believe that most of the gambling sites are of the same TOS( there might have some changes but probably the same as of the others) so, what we did in the other sites could still be the same.
Well, asking KYC sometimes happens when your account got compromised or if you have a huge transfer that to stop money laundering, that is a sort of verifying who does the transfer or someone got hack.

[romero121]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

If you are playing heavily on one gambling site, and there's an option to do KYC then do it early to avoid getting into the trap of decline KYC later, withdrawals have been the biggest issue here, some gambling sites started to accuse you and give you a lot of reasons why you cannot get your earnings, so being familiar in a gambling site that you are playing is very important, and always checking for any withdrawal complaints this could also happen to you.

Most gamblers don't read TOS before signing-up that is why some complain of funds or accounts being frozen. Reading it carefully will not consume much of your time to avoid any hassle of having your funds on hold because of breaking the TOS. Some casinos require KYC, some don't. Each gambking site has their own rules and requirement you must abide.

TOS is made long for us not able to understand it carefully, actually, who bothered to read for the how many pages, it is time-consuming. And instead of spending time reading the whole story and sites policy, it is much better to familiarize the site. Because I believe that most of the gambling sites are of the same TOS( there might have some changes but probably the same as of the others) so, what we did in the other sites could still be the same.
Well, asking KYC sometimes happens when your account got compromised or if you have a huge transfer that to stop money laundering, that is a sort of verifying who does the transfer or someone got hack.

This is a true statement. In some gambling sites it'll be mentioned in such a manner it should not be understood by the users. In a much complicated way the terms and conditions will be. Some platforms even make the user provide details on the source of fund. These are all some form of trap. In a short and precise manner the TOS can be mentioned in the page, but they won't do it. Anyhow it always has the statement everything is subject to risk and the firm has the right to make any decision without prior notice. So, if they plan to scam or trap an user they has the ability.

[harizen]

Apart from high rolls and big wins, one should be careful when using bonuses and it's better to go through the terms and conditions once again and check what rules apply in order to withdraw after using them. I think this is the trickiest part, even with respected casinos there can be unpleasant situations where you'll be required to play a lot in order to withdraw.

From now on, to somehow keep everything safe and fair, when participating in a deposit bonuses, promotions, events, always read the Terms and Conditions about it and not just be blinded by that awesome offer.

If possible screenshot and make an archive of that terms so that in case of "unusual approach", users have a reference.

We can't really deny the fact that sometimes it's on the user's fault why they ended up violating the terms. Now to deal with that, make a habit to read the promotion's TOS.

[rhomelmabini]

Your intention is indeed Best mate but let's admit the reality here mate that T&C is a trap , actually gambling site use this as hiding place to take advantage of their gamblers , I know that not all of them but the truth is? by chance they already Knew these things but not even making action to Help players understand easily the terms .

Yes I know that but hoping if they are that regulated and if they are that licensed then these regulators should do some more extensive requirement to even just make this a priority somehow. The fault may come to these sites but if the player/s has no intention of even just do a simple scanning onto the T&C then they are missing something too. I know this is taken for granted by most players but if they somehow make it easy to understand even on when you signing up on the site then it makes more sense that they (gambling site) may not be at fault at all when time comes a problem arises.

[Wexnident]

Yes I know that but hoping if they are that regulated and if they are that licensed then these regulators should do some more extensive requirement to even just make this a priority somehow. The fault may come to these sites but if the player/s has no intention of even just do a simple scanning onto the T&C then they are missing something too. I know this is taken for granted by most players but if they somehow make it easy to understand even on when you signing up on the site then it makes more sense that they (gambling site) may not be at fault at all when time comes a problem arises.

Well, that's why it's probably a grey area as to who's really at fault or not? Since fr, most issues with T&C accusations is literally lined in a single line in a wall of text. Yes, the casino isn't necessarily at fault, but how would it become the fault of the user in that case as well? It makes me look like I'm siding with users here (which I am) since casinos just take advantage of T&C as an excuse. They could easily put up a warning sign or two to indicate the whats and whats not in the game itself. A single line of warning is all it would take. It's not like users are using bots or scripts that are not allowed by T&C, it's just that they aren't able to follow the right procedure since it's hidden.

[BuNga_cute]

Sometimes I am surprised by gamblers who get angry when crypto gambling sites update their TOS, it's a natural thing to do in my opinion.
Because crypto gambling sites have to make some adjustments to the latest situation, they are platforms created for business purposes.
Surely the crypto gambling site will make rules in their favor, if we don't like it, there's no need to be angry. We just have to look for a crypto
gambling site that suits our needs, because each crypto gambling site must have a different TOS.

We don't know whether it's profitable or not for players, but gambling sites should not make updates that harm the players. I mean, if the update suddenly occurs the gambling site must confirm the players whether they agree or not, so that he can secure their money from the site.

The fact is that usually updates made by gambling sites are often detrimental to gamblers, sometimes they change the rules suddenly and that
makes some gamblers angry. Therefore we cannot force gambling sites to make updates according to our wishes as users. Because they only think
about what benefits their platforms, and if we find this, don't argue with these gambling sites, it will just freeze our money. Just make
a withdrawal according to their rules, and once our funds have been successfully withdrawn from these gambling sites, don't play at those
gambling sites again. Because we as users do have to read the TOS for each gambling site, look for the TOS that is exactly what we need.

[Betwrong]

To fully understand the site, reading the terms and conditions is a must and not just on gambling site as much as possible, make this one as a habit every time you create an account on any site. The important informations  that you may need , you can see here so I think this is very important. Some gambling site made changes on that without informing the players or the users, that’s why read it at least once in a month to see if there’s a changes that may affect your activities, you can prevent it by reading the ToS.

Yeah, but, I mean, do you really read them? You'd be like the first person I've ever seen who's reading T&C "at least once in a month".

Yes, it's very important, but with that many words to read only a few people can do that. A good solution would be limiting the number of words in T&C by law, which was discussed earlier in this thread.

[Tumanggor]

~

Your intention is indeed Best mate but let's admit the reality here mate that T&C is a trap , actually gambling site use this as hiding place to take advantage of their gamblers , I know that not all of them but the truth is? by chance they already Knew these things but not even making action to Help players understand easily the terms .

This is quite a worrying thing because many gamblers are trapped
reading T&C is boring but it's very important

we have to get used to ourselves every time we want to try a gambling site we have to read the T&C first
if not then the regret at the end is just in vain

[molsewid]

Yeah, but, I mean, do you really read them? You'd be like the first person I've ever seen who's reading T&C "at least once in a month".

Yes, it's very important, but with that many words to read only a few people can do that. A good solution would be limiting the number of words in T&C by law, which was discussed earlier in this thread.

Actually it is very important to read the terms and condition of every gambling site that you are going to join in but honestly speaking I am one of those people who used to skipped to read some information written in the T&C. I know that every details written in the Terms and Condition has a significance but to much too be read I mean I bet that some or many of us skipped many words specified in it. It is boring to read such T&C composed of how many number of Terms and a lot of words that sometime you may not really understand why it is written here.

[hahay]

For those who gamble in large amounts and are really looking for profit in gambling, then of course reading all the terms and conditions is a priority before making a deposit. But for mediocre players who are just looking for fun and making deposits with money ready to lose, I think reading those things can be put aside first and this is what I usually did in the past and it's proven, I've never had problems with withdrawals. Although sometimes I get problems like account frozen etc, in the end the problem can still be solved as long as we are on the right track and maybe it depends on the service they have too, so be careful.

[RapTarX]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

[qwertyup23]

I don't know why you still have make this post in the gambling section. I bet everyone is already aware of all that. I just want to add that some of the terms and conditions changes over time and it can happen long after you signed up. There are also cases when casinos made sudden changes after they were accused of something.

Well the problem with most terms and conditions is that they are worded very vaguely to the point that it conceals the true intention of the message. Another thing, most terms and conditions come with long paragraphs that are a chore to read. But I do think that it is worth the hassle and the stress of reading such terms compared to facing unprecedented conflict and issues with payments.

I think that there must be an innovation that could be implemented in showing the terms and conditions. Instead of concealing its messages in long paragraphs, gambling websites can make it short but concise. In this way, not only does it exert professionalism but it also gives security to the gamblers that the website is genuine compared to others.

[Peanutswar]

There are a lot of people today finds out a gambling platform and if they saw some bonuses they keep trying to register without having thinking the priority of reading the terms and condition also with the FAQ this is the most important part not all the time we need to just see the box with checked box and click the I agree on the button. This might risk your funds because you can not fully understand the rules of their platform.

This might be a good tip to the newbies who want to join the different platforms of gambling. Well, most people don't want to read tons of words unless they need really is because of their curiosity.

[Mahdirakib]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

Lots of gambler give a look into T&C page before making deposits at any new casino. And I believe the amount is more than 1%. It's better to choose old reputable casino for gambling. Those casino always have some common rules in their T&C. Popular gambling sites don't want to make complicated rules for their gambler. They also process the withdrawal if gambler doesn't break any strick rules. But occasionally they have to follow some conditions of their license provider. Checking the reviews might not be helpful always. Cause lots of review making sites give fake reviews for money.

[BIN-BIN]

You are right, it’s good to read the terms and conditions of any contract before signing up for it, most users always look away from the terms of services and in the end call out the site for not allowing them to carry out some services. This has resulted in many issues in the gambling environment where some users cannot withdraw from the winning because of non-compliance with the platform terms and conditions.

[michellee]

You are right, it’s good to read the terms and conditions of any contract before signing up for it, most users always look away from the terms of services and in the end call out the site for not allowing them to carry out some services. This has resulted in many issues in the gambling environment where some users cannot withdraw from the winning because of non-compliance with the platform terms and conditions.

That happens many times to many gamblers and it seems they do not learn from other people's mistakes or their mistakes. They tend to play gambling and do not try to know the rules of the casino. They will regret it when they want to withdraw their winning because they will see that the casino requires something before withdrawing the money.

[stomachgrowls]

You are right, it’s good to read the terms and conditions of any contract before signing up for it, most users always look away from the terms of services and in the end call out the site for not allowing them to carry out some services. This has resulted in many issues in the gambling environment where some users cannot withdraw from the winning because of non-compliance with the platform terms and conditions.

That happens many times to many gamblers and it seems they do not learn from other people's mistakes or their mistakes. They tend to play gambling and do not try to know the rules of the casino. They will regret it when they want to withdraw their winning because they will see that the casino requires something before withdrawing the money.

Whenever you do already have the experience or typically had able to read up terms and conditions it turns out that majority will really be having the same and if we do try to observe then most of those pile of text would really be saying the same thing all over again.

There might be some alterations or changes in some specially on countries being prohibited or banned and the rest are just actually the same when it comes to violations like multi-accounts,
shady gambling acts or something like that.

Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.

[dothebeats]

Any terms and service agreement must be read WHOLLY no matter the industry/service/item/etc. that is. For instance, some gambling platforms offer promotions from time to time, and there are certain conditions to be met before any winnings or profits can be withdrawn. I am a victim of not reading the T&C when I was just starting to gamble, and oftentimes on dice sites with an ongoing promotion, I just go ham on wagering without realizing that I must do something else first before I activate the promotion and the bonuses accompanied with it. Ending, I spend hundreds of dollars without even getting any bonuses from my rolls, which sucks but it's on me.

[Rengga Jati]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

I personally prefer to read the T&C before using such a platform. However, as you said, I also admit that I don't read the whole T&C one by one word.
You may also know that sometimes, very long T&C sentences are very boring, and sometimes they are general information. However, we can do skimming for the T&C, because I am sure also that among those boring sentences, there is some important information to be known and understood before using the platform.
And actually to help our questions most about the platform, reading the FAQs is also helpful.

[pawanjain]

Most of the people around don't even bother to check what the Terms and Conditions contain and simply check the box and proceed with the registrations.
Well I am not saying that's the right way but yeah if we are talking about the rules and regulations and deposit/withdrawals of the site then we can easily find that in other review sites.
There are websites like BTCGOSU which provides reviews about various gambling sites and their promotions and offers.
They provide info on KYC and deposit/withdrawals as well and it is easier to check through this way since we can compare many gambling sites at once.

[michellee]

Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.

It will be the important thing that gamblers must know before they end up gambling. If they can not withdraw because of a little mistake, that will make them regret it. Besides that, if they already read about the other gamblers mistakes, I think they will try to avoid that and make sure that they will not break the rules. Maybe the casino will change some rules based on the conditions, but the gamblers must follow every rule from the casino.

[owengtam09]

I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.

[Oilacris]

I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.

Im guilty with this one too.

Whenever i do see those terms and conditions and you would need to tick out that "I agree" tick box then i do just simply click that and wont tend to read up a very long pile of text which i do believe that
majority is really having the same behavior.

For someone who do play with small amount or just simply come and go with different gambling sites then they arent really minding much because just like other members said that terms are almost
the same to each other or anytime.

Important thing is that you do deal with the legit site or platform because you can somewhat have that assured feeling.

[khaled0111]

The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract.
If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.

[darewaller]

Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.

It will be the important thing that gamblers must know before they end up gambling. If they can not withdraw because of a little mistake, that will make them regret it. Besides that, if they already read about the other gamblers mistakes, I think they will try to avoid that and make sure that they will not break the rules. Maybe the casino will change some rules based on the conditions, but the gamblers must follow every rule from the casino.

People don't realize that agreeing to some online casino's Terms & Conditions is the same as signing a piece of paper without reading what was written on it. I hope we all understand and realize how dangerous it could be signing a paper without reading, equally if not more risky is signing up to a casino without actually reading everything the casino has in their Terms & Conditions.

It takes hardly 15-20 mins to read all the Terms & Conditions roughly and if some point you feel has a trick or some kind of error which might trouble you later, take more time and read it carefully. It's your money and you cannot do much if you agreed to some exploitative conditions while signing up o the casino.

[nakamura12]

It is very important that everyone should read the terms and conditions in order to know which is to avoid. The ones I mostly noticed is that the accusations made by people are because their account is blocked, banned or something like that and then they the advice they get is they should read the terms and conditions of the site before gambling. Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.

[john_nautica]

There is reason why terms and conditions exist in these gambling sites in the first place, and there is also a purpose why it signed by players through the question of agreement. By agreeing in such, rules and regulations must be applied and complied with throughout the entire game experience. But many fails to do so, and the bunch of ranting and posts of regret are proofs of this. I cannot emphasize enough how important it is to be read upon signing up, notwithstanding that the status of money and progress is at stake upon one’s understanding of game terms and conditions.

[LUCKMCFLY]

I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. ?? but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.

Im guilty with this one too.

Whenever i do see those terms and conditions and you would need to tick out that "I agree" tick box then i do just simply click that and wont tend to read up a very long pile of text which i do believe that
majority is really having the same behavior.

For someone who do play with small amount or just simply come and go with different gambling sites then they arent really minding much because just like other members said that terms are almost
the same to each other or anytime.

Important thing is that you do deal with the legit site or platform because you can somewhat have that assured feeling.

In this instance I never used to read the Terms and Conditions, but for a long time if I have to read them, when you are in a country that is very likely prohibited, it is necessary to read to avoid having a bad time. In fact, in many topics in the Gambling section, many players will enter complaining about the site because they cannot make their withdrawal of earnings, and it is because of the VPN issue, some refuse to give KYC and others give it and reject it, I think that in the T&C if they are read it would avoid many bad times. I am one of those who think that licenses should not limit people from other countries, everyone has the right to play regardless of the country of origin, that they limit them for purely political issues, casinos and crypto should really skip these demands.

[Fredomago]

I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.

Very possible, you need to make sure that you are well updated with all those house rules, it might harm you in the long run especially when your account being tag doing suspicious activities,

If you know the house rules you can simply defend your account by stating all those you understand from their terms and conditions.

Better to always make it a habit to understand aside from reading those long narrative house rules, never to skip if you plan to stay and

use the service of that particular house.

[mv1986]

I am lazy of reading a lot of Terms and Conditions not just only to online gambling sites but most apps that need to install or download, they have Terms and Conditions that I don't like to read, I just accept and click the next button. 😂 but you are right we must read the Terms and Conditions especially in gambling, additionally, some gambling sites change their rules over time. So let's make it a habit to read.

Very possible, you need to make sure that you are well updated with all those house rules, it might harm you in the long run especially when your account being tag doing suspicious activities,

If you know the house rules you can simply defend your account by stating all those you understand from their terms and conditions.

Better to always make it a habit to understand aside from reading those long narrative house rules, never to skip if you plan to stay and

use the service of that particular house.

I think if you use serious and legit online casinos you won't have any issues under normal circumstances. I mean all the good and reliable casinos pretty much have the same terms and conditions. If there is any hidden stuff such that out of thin air they freeze your account, I probably wouldn't use them again anyway.

[jostorres]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone.

[Ryker1]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone.

Well, just because the terms and conditions ^[TOS] is the longest paragraphs that you will read and nobody will care to read it. Perhaps the frequently asked question ^[FAQ] is the most common page that usually visits just like me. But as a matter of fact, this is the most very important thing to read before signing up on the site, because you will never know what are those guidelines on the site and what are those don't and dos on the site that you must avoid.

[Quidat]

Who reads? I guess not even 1% read the terms and conditions. However, I would put more importance on reading reviews everywhere before reading terms and conditions. Sometimes, casino follows the fair play and allow withdraw even if some users by chance break any of their rules. While, some other casino just look for faults to seize the fund.
So, it’s important to know how they handle issue than what terms and conditions. Apart from that, most of the terms and conditions are same as other casino.

Yeah maybe even less than 1% actually if a survey is conducted because like seriously who has the time in the world to read all those useless statements and actually 50% of the terms mostly are irrelevant but just a few points are what matters. Recently BTCGOSU removed bitsler because of their term where they have mentioned that if a player doesn't login for 6-months, they will close the accounts and any funds will be gone.

Well, just because the terms and conditions ^[TOS] is the longest paragraphs that you will read and nobody will care to read it. Perhaps the frequently asked question ^[FAQ] is the most common page that usually visits just like me. But as a matter of fact, this is the most very important thing to read before signing up on the site, because you will never know what are those guidelines on the site and what are those don't and dos on the site that you must avoid.

Presumably those guidelines would really be having those common line of text whenever you do check it from time to time or tend to read up but of course there might be some differences
but not really that much because it would only might differ on country restriction or they do set out some KYC for you to comply which would really suck if you do encounter it later
on and wasnt expecting for that to happen and just because you had missed on reading it up then it would really be a big problem.
Terms and condition should really be read up but we know that almost 100% will just simply skip out and wont tend to do so.

[TheGreatPython]

For those who gamble in large amounts and are really looking for profit in gambling, then of course reading all the terms and conditions is a priority before making a deposit. But for mediocre players who are just looking for fun and making deposits with money ready to lose, I think reading those things can be put aside first and this is what I usually did in the past and it's proven, I've never had problems with withdrawals. Although sometimes I get problems like account frozen etc, in the end the problem can still be solved as long as we are on the right track and maybe it depends on the service they have too, so be careful.

I get the feeling that reading all the long terms of a casino must be a boring process but I still feel that even you are gambling small amounts, you must read the terms and conditions. It takes a few big hits when you jump from being a small player to hitting the high roller's tab and if you haven't read the terms, you might be forced to verify your identity which depending on the individual can be problematic.

[Betwrong]

Yeah, but, I mean, do you really read them? You'd be like the first person I've ever seen who's reading T&C "at least once in a month".

Yes, it's very important, but with that many words to read only a few people can do that. A good solution would be limiting the number of words in T&C by law, which was discussed earlier in this thread.

Actually it is very important to read the terms and condition of every gambling site that you are going to join in but honestly speaking I am one of those people who used to skipped to read some information written in the T&C. I know that every details written in the Terms and Condition has a significance but to much too be read I mean I bet that some or many of us skipped many words specified in it. It is boring to read such T&C composed of how many number of Terms and a lot of words that sometime you may not really understand why it is written here.

Exactly. Some people even think that that many words are there with the malevolent purpose of confusing you. I can't blame them, it indeed looks like that: too many words, very small letters. People have been complaining for decades about T&C's unreadability. Since the world is changing for better overall, I'm sure this situation will change in the future as well.

[Obito]

~snip

Reading the TOS is important if we are new to a casino. Knowing in which jurisdiction they operate and what our rights are is important too. But we need do be aware that with Internet companies it can be very difficult in case of a dispute. Knowing that we are in the right and casino is wrong, doesn't mean we will immediately get our money back. The enforcement of our rights can take years with companies operating from overseas.

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

[South Park]

The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract.
If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

[Lanatsa]

The ToS is like a contract between you and the service you want to use. You have to read it all to know your rights and your obligations. Ticking the "I have read and agree to the ToS" box before registration is the same as signing a contract.
If you ignore it and don't read it because it's too long then you should not complain when the service bans your account and seizes your funds because you've unintentionally broke one of the rules stated in the ToS.

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

Boring indeed and not all would really be having the time on reading up a very long text whenever they  do get engage on a new site or tending to play.

They would just simply skip out and play right away which is a common behavior even myself would really be doing it most of the time.

TOS is important to read because you would know the terms and conditions but if there are sudden alterations then that would already be a shady stuff.

[DoublerHunter]

~snip~
Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.

^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes.

[Wawa2013]

~snip~
Some gambling sites ask KYC when withdrawing and didn't ask for KYC when registering an account.

^ Not only when registering, but it is also included that allows you to deposit your fund which is you had become a headache knowing the fact that it requires KYC so that you can able to withdraw your fund. Sometimes we have a lazy feeling about not ready for the TOS, but for me, even though you are not reading the TOS that is fine, as long as you are reading the FAQ which gives an instant idea and knowledge. This way, we can avoid possible errors in the future and this is also for our own benefit not to have mistakes.

Very good advice, if we are lazy to read the TOS, we can read the FAQ. Because important information related to gambling site rules is usually
in the FAQ. But my advice, if possible, don't be lazy to read the TOS before registering at the gambling sites that we will use, in order to be able
to choose gambling sites that match the criteria we are looking for. Because reading the TOS does not take a long time.

[paxmao]

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do. Perhaps we are becoming too used to large software companies or utility providers supplying us with pages long contracts of absurd legal terms that basically allow them to spy in your life, your house, your family and perhaps your pets. Most times, we are not really free to reject those terms, for example, at work, you have to accept the terms of use of certain software that your company uses even if you are not happy about it taking a look at your work habits and the like.
At least when joining a casino, make sure that you do read those terms because you do have a choice there.

[acener]

We should always read it to know what we should avoid,
It isn't just on gambling but also in all of the things that have that kind of agreements.
And for me it isn't just the Terms and condition that we should read but also all the permission that you would accept from certain apps.

[michellee]

Reading up terms is a must but if you are really get bored on doing that then always seek just on the highlights or most important details.

It will be the important thing that gamblers must know before they end up gambling. If they can not withdraw because of a little mistake, that will make them regret it. Besides that, if they already read about the other gamblers mistakes, I think they will try to avoid that and make sure that they will not break the rules. Maybe the casino will change some rules based on the conditions, but the gamblers must follow every rule from the casino.

People don't realize that agreeing to some online casino's Terms & Conditions is the same as signing a piece of paper without reading what was written on it. I hope we all understand and realize how dangerous it could be signing a paper without reading, equally if not more risky is signing up to a casino without actually reading everything the casino has in their Terms & Conditions.

It takes hardly 15-20 mins to read all the Terms & Conditions roughly and if some point you feel has a trick or some kind of error which might trouble you later, take more time and read it carefully. It's your money and you cannot do much if you agreed to some exploitative conditions while signing up o the casino.

Maybe that is because they do not think that they will deposit more money to gamble so they do not read the Terms & Conditions. If they do not have a problem, they will not read until they get a problem and realize that they break the rules. Unless you do not deposit too big and not playing gambling too often like the other player, you do not have to read that.

Spending 15-20 mins is too long for them but maybe they will just read the point and continue playing gambling. I hope we read all the Terms & Conditions or at least, we can do that when we take a break to know the main rules.

[BITCOIN4X]

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

[tippytoes]

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions.

[Fatunad]

In fact terms and conditions are a must read in anything you do.

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

That's fine, as long as you know the important things to look at that may possibly give you problem in your account. Because, honestly, how many really read the ToS from beginning to end. But if you are a high roller, I think, you better read it all before it is too late. There are some variations from site to site, regarding their country restrictions, wagering requirements, min depo/withdrawal, use of VPN and many others. So you need to be alert with those things as it may cause freezing of your account if you violate their conditions.

Not really necessary to read up all the pile of text and as mentioned that reading the highlights or the most important ones should be enough for you to be aware on what are the things you should avoid
to prevent possible headaches or problems in the future specially if you are a big wagerer then that would surely counts or does matter. For sure most of us doesnt really care on reading up TOS
which is understandable considering on how long it is then no gambler would have the time nor waste up any moment on reading it and they would just play it right away.

[Saisher]

To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Doing the same thing I subscribe to their newsletter if there are any and there channel if there are changes in their rules and terms, majority of these gambling sites have the same terms of service and rules, and it's a waste of time to get back there and read, again and again, a trusted gambling site will always have notification if they have changes in their rules and terms, suspicious sites will not do that.

[worle1bm]

It is the first thing you should do even before registering on that casino you wish to play as Terms and conditions are list of rules that will provide you all the details of the casino related to deposit, withdrawal,fees and other information.There are usually long list of points which every gambler must read but many times player ignore this and ask the same question like when will my withdrawal be processed? And deposit the wrong coin to and other technical issue which all are at first clarified in T&C of that casino.If there is any change in that list and new update then you must check it and have information about all the rules in advance so that you don't have any further problems.

[justdimin]

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

It's the most fruitful thing to do if you can read their ToS and find a problem because even though you cannot agree to those terms and hence cannot register, at least you are saved from a potential loss. I can't believe people are so desperate and craving to gamble that they are ready to agree on some vengeful terms and conditions just so that they can gamble right away.

If you read the ToS and find something vengeful you should just inform the support and ask for more clarity or you can create a thread in the reputation section and ask others' opinions on the matter. I am sure most of the crypto casinos are more than ready to make amends and edit any policy that can scare away their potential customers.

Not reading ToS just because you fear you can't join the casino if something is wrong, is plain insanity!

[semobo]

My stance on reading the TOS or not is that I think that it's a futile thing to do because if you read it, and you find that some parts of the TOS isn't agreeable, you won't accept it meaning that you won't be able to access the site since most of them don't allow players to enter if they don't agree with their TOS.

It's the most fruitful thing to do if you can read their ToS and find a problem because even though you cannot agree to those terms and hence cannot register, at least you are saved from a potential loss. I can't believe people are so desperate and craving to gamble that they are ready to agree on some vengeful terms and conditions just so that they can gamble right away.

If you read the ToS and find something vengeful you should just inform the support and ask for more clarity or you can create a thread in the reputation section and ask others' opinions on the matter. I am sure most of the crypto casinos are more than ready to make amends and edit any policy that can scare away their potential customers.

Not reading ToS just because you fear you can't join the casino if something is wrong, is plain insanity!

Casinos implement their terms based on their license and for their convenience to make more profits, in some cases they mention something in the indirect way so the user's money can be in their account forever when they violates it.

But its a must think to read the terms before clicking the agree and asking about other opinions are secondary thing and make them to change it as well.

[ipanks]

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

[LUCKMCFLY]

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

Now due to so many problems that have been generated thanks to different things like KYC, such as prohibited countries, Withdrawal problems, a lot of players have started to read the Terms and Conditions, something that in reality they had almost never done was read the terms and conditions, it seemed to me that it was very long and somewhat tedious apart I was lazy, but because I am residing in a country that can be prohibited I have had to read the Terms and Conditions when I make new registrations, I think that when there is a need people take the decision to read, meanwhile I think people will not.

[btc78]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

[hahay]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

That's what happened a lot and also it happened to me in the past but luckily for me, when my account was frozen but I was still able to appeal until the problem was resolved until I was able to make a withdrawal to finally leave the related gambling site. Therefore, most gambling users will learn from mistakes until finally realizing that reading anything related to the gambling site that will be used is an important factor, and this will happen continuously for new users because they will also still not be aware of basic things like this.

[molsewid]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I used to not read the whole content of Terms and Condition in any aspect I mean it is enough for me to be able to catch the significant rule of the gambling or the betting site that i have entered but dealing with cryptocurrency is a whole lot different story. And to be honest I learned to read it detail by detail because misssing one information written in T&C may lead you to worst case scenario.

[Shasha80]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

That's what happened a lot and also it happened to me in the past but luckily for me, when my account was frozen but I was still able to appeal until the problem was resolved until I was able to make a withdrawal to finally leave the related gambling site. Therefore, most gambling users will learn from mistakes until finally realizing that reading anything related to the gambling site that will be used is an important factor, and this will happen continuously for new users because they will also still not be aware of basic things like this.

Sometimes we need to experience bad things first to be able to realize the mistakes we made, when I was a newbie also did the same thing.
I'm lazy to read the TOS because most gambling TOS are long enough to read, which resulted in me violating the site's gambling rules,
finally got my funds frozen. Luckily I was able to solve my problem well too, I agree that it is very important to read the TOS before deciding
to play on a gambling site. So that we can find out the rules imposed by the gambling site that we will use, and not have our account frozen or banned.

[Chato1977]

Maybe with post like this and sharing of idea , and also those tons of scam accusations regarding gambling sites using this same issue to ban or freeze players account and take their money?
this will open all gamblers eyes to pay attention regarding the Rules that they must follow even before depositing or creating an account.
so if the site rules is against your belief then better not to create account .

[KTChampions]

Actually no 
In the terms of use, anything can be written, any beautiful and pleasant things that the player wants to see there. But if you start playing in a new casino, it is important for you to know not what is written in the TOS, but how it actually works. Therefore, the first thing to carefully study is the feedback about the project from other users who already have relevant experience. And this is an important painstaking work, since reviews are often filled by bots or are paid.

[Betwrong]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I used to not read the whole content of Terms and Condition in any aspect I mean it is enough for me to be able to catch the significant rule of the gambling or the betting site that i have entered but dealing with cryptocurrency is a whole lot different story. And to be honest I learned to read it detail by detail because misssing one information written in T&C may lead you to worst case scenario.

To be honest, it was never my habit to read T&C. I was just checking the appropriate box and moving on. After reading this thread for a while I decided to be more careful in the future. I think I won't read all of them still, but I will be searching for some important keywords, using "Find" tool.

Kudos to the gambling platforms that make it easy to read T&C by making it as short as possible!

[ipanks]

But many gamblers may not care enough about the site term and condition because most of the sites have pretty much the same term and condition. I think it is a misunderstanding of some gamblers because obviously some site also have different term and condition. I agree that these term and condition are thing that every gambler need to pay attention to because almost all the information about the rule is written there. To be honest I didn't read all of them, but only read a few important point.

Reading the important point will cover our needs to know what is their Terms and Conditions so we do not have to break their rules. But yes, many gamblers seems do not do that because maybe they have a reason why they do not read that. Maybe the point will almost the same as almost the other gambling site but maybe there is one or more point that will different since the gambling site will have different owner and policy.

Now due to so many problems that have been generated thanks to different things like KYC, such as prohibited countries, Withdrawal problems, a lot of players have started to read the Terms and Conditions, something that in reality they had almost never done was read the terms and conditions, it seemed to me that it was very long and somewhat tedious apart I was lazy, but because I am residing in a country that can be prohibited I have had to read the Terms and Conditions when I make new registrations, I think that when there is a need people take the decision to read, meanwhile I think people will not.

Their Terms and Conditions seem too long to read. But maybe we can search for the point about what a gambler can do and do not. We can skip the not important things on the Terms and Conditions, but it is better to read all of that. Maybe spend some time reading all of those will not be a problem for us. As long as we know the rules, we will be okay and will not have a problem. But if we lived in a country that prohibits gambling, maybe we need to be careful playing gambling on that site.

[Wakate]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

This is a good enlightment for beginners gamblers that just go to a gambling site and place bet without have a good knowledge or review of such gambling platforms which always affect one during withdrawal process if the Gambling platform is scam and insincere in their operation.

[South Park]

While you have a point at the same time what it is written on the TOS is not a law, what I mean is that there are some casinos out there that have made abuses in the TOS in the past and the community did not simply took a look at the TOS and accepted everything that was written in there, however as you said it is important to read it before depositing any money, I know this is really boring and many people do not want to do it but it is very important to do this in the websites in which we have some bitcoin stored as you do not want to break a common sense rule and lose access to your coins because of it.

Boring indeed and not all would really be having the time on reading up a very long text whenever they  do get engage on a new site or tending to play.

They would just simply skip out and play right away which is a common behavior even myself would really be doing it most of the time.

TOS is important to read because you would know the terms and conditions but if there are sudden alterations then that would already be a shady stuff.

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

[DoublerHunter]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

[harizen]

But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it.

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

[KTChampions]

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

[ethereumhunter]

But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it.

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

That is what we need to search for before we start playing, even if we use the faucet, because sometimes, after we played to test the site, we can tempt to deposit our money to continue playing the other gambling games. If we can know the main rules of the gambling site, we will not try to break even for just a small mistake.

Spending 1-2 hours only reading the Terms and Conditions will not advisable but if you want to know all of their rules, you are free to do that. I do not read the whole Terms and Conditions because I know that will be too long to read so I will skip the part that is not important.

[panjul07]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

No one will be willing to read the whole terms of any services by spending few hours, trust me.
Most people including me usually read some part of it especially the one which we consider as the most important thing.
In my case, I will only use search function to find part about KYC, payment system and method, and some other things.
Basically most terms is similar to each other so I think it is wasting time and useless to read the whole terms of a service.

[South Park]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

[Quidat]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

Not necessarily to read up the whole context because that would really be time consuming for all of us to read it all but instead only focus on vpn restriotion, prohibited countries,
multiple accounts, or something similar to that or really just finding about your concern or in doubts or the thing you do have in mind.Im not saying its nonsense to read up
but most of the time they are just almost similar TOS with few changes or alterations so its not really that suggested to do so in overall reading.
Yeah its important but only read the detailed guidelines.

[Lucasgabd]

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

[AmoreJaz]

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

not reading the important sections in ToS may lead to loss or freezing of your funds. if you unconsciously violate some of their terms because you havent checked their terms. it is not the fault of the casino but the player himself. this is why some complaints are not valid because it is the player's mistake and not the casino. so if you have significant amount of funds to play with, better read at least those important sections for you as pointed out by harizen. otherwise, dont cry and accuse the site because of your negligence.

[Rruchi man]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

[TheGreatPython]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

[michellee]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

[TimeTeller]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

This is very right. It is better to play on casinos that have active thread here in the forum.
Because in case you got problem, it is easy to reach out to them.
Of course, they don't want their players to be waiting in vain just to resolve simple issues.
Because if that happens, it will be a trouble for them as the player may create noise about the unresolved issue.
The major points in ToS that everyone should look at are what michellee suggested, kyc requirements, min depo/withdrawal, fees.
If I may add, the use of VPN as some casinos are not allowing the use of it. So you may want to confirm it from them if you are using VPN.
Some are accepting deposits even if you used VPN but when it comes to withdrawal, they may froze your account because of VPN issue.
So it is better to clarify it from them so you won't be surprised once you need to get out of your funds.

[palle11]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly.

They make the writing there so many that you can stay all day for just reading an agreement and some words are ambiguous for a normal person to understand and interpret except a lawyer. This is why some people don't find time to read such but sign up to it.

To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

This is a good idea and I also do that. I feel comfortable to play where someone I know is already playing, I just have to ask for the rules from them and not to read all that was written.

[BuNga_cute]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

[john_nautica]

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, I think one of the dilemmas here is if it is right to make the terms and conditions more precise to at least shorten the content and encourage more people to read it. Although, one point that must be considered if there will be no missed information by doing so. What do you think guys?

ANN threads are definitely helpful because these helps people to comprehend things easily while also having direct communication with the community and the gambling site managers.

[Lucasgabd]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

[michellee]

This is very right. It is better to play on casinos that have active thread here in the forum.
Because in case you got problem, it is easy to reach out to them.
Of course, they don't want their players to be waiting in vain just to resolve simple issues.
Because if that happens, it will be a trouble for them as the player may create noise about the unresolved issue.
The major points in ToS that everyone should look at are what michellee suggested, kyc requirements, min depo/withdrawal, fees.
If I may add, the use of VPN as some casinos are not allowing the use of it. So you may want to confirm it from them if you are using VPN.
Some are accepting deposits even if you used VPN but when it comes to withdrawal, they may froze your account because of VPN issue.
So it is better to clarify it from them so you won't be surprised once you need to get out of your funds.

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, you are right hahaha
We come to the site, register an account, start deposit, start playing some games, and winning some money. After that, we want to withdraw the money and boom, and we are in trouble because we do not know what their rule is. Although the rule seems similar to most gambling sites out there, there will be a difference from each gambling site. At least, if the gambling site has an ANN thread on here, we can ask something that we do not understand directly and I am sure we do not have to wait for a long time to get the answer. But still, we need to be patient for a while because we are not the only members on their site with a problem.

[Mahdirakib]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, ~
not sure about the casino ones

It means you are not in gambling and never checked the terms and conditions page of any casino? T&C is the most important part of a gambling sites. There is no reason to make it short. Gambler use to complain against casino by ignoring the facts of T&C. If casino makes it shorter then the gambler will get more opportunities to blame casino. However, it won't take much time to check the terms and conditions of any casino. Even you don't need to check the whole details of T&C page, just check the important part of it. As example, restricted countries, withdrawal information, VPN usage.

[ReiMomo]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

How about the following, if we get an audio option playing terms and conditions and in turn of our confirmation, a voice confirmation is made and recorded. This would eradicate many just skip reading terms and conditions since they are in paragraphs and in pages. The excitement just pushes oneself to just rush through sign ins and registration. Just take time and get familiar with concern site's terms and conditions before going for sign ups.

[Oilacris]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

Its obvious that casino terms and condition are more shorter compared to FB which is no brainer or already understandable but you cant really compare apples to oranges since they are different industries.

Terms and conditions is really an important thing for a site to have at least the players do know on what are the prohibitions and rules that do really need to be followed for them not to experience
some headache later on.

It might sound too much on wasting time on reading but its up to someone to read it up.Just go directly with the key points and not necessarily to read the whole context.

[KTChampions]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

[crzy]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

[tabas]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

[KTChampions]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons" 

[michellee]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

[Shasha80]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

Casinos that have a license are usually stricter in their rules, because they don't want to violate the rules of the regulator. So make it a habit to
read the terms and conditions before deciding to join the casino, lest we regret breaking one of the rules and causing our account to be banned,
even our funds can be frozen by the casino. I've had bad experiences when accessing the casino using a VPN, no problem when registering and
making a deposit, but when going to make a withdrawal can not. This is a lesson for me, to always get used to reading the terms and conditions,
so that this incident does not happen again.

[Peanutswar]

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I guess this is one of the most important if we are trying to involve in things we don't have any kind of idea. Even in terms of agreement for sure most of us are just trying to scroll all the way down just to meet and click the agree button or the check button always try to make sure your self is not involved in a harm way of your information and data but of course you cannot enter to their platform if you cannot agree on their terms without knowing at the first place they already show their terms.

[iv4n]

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons" 

Well said!

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

I am using a VPN... only with VPN I can play some providers! I never had any problems with withdrawing, but in my case, for amounts under $2k... I saw some people talk about how problems can appear when someone wins some huge money and wants to withdraw! But until now I didn't win some crazy big amount, so I can't confirm or deny this!

Back in beginning of my Online gambling playing specially here in crypto gambling ? i am not aware of the importance of the TOS or TOC and i don't even read their rules and regulations.
but when time comes that one of my friends god issues about His account being freeze because of Violation ? i start learning lesson and come to read everything and all the details so i won't miss one for my own safety .
It is our obligation to read first before depositing and play.

I guess this is one of the most important if we are trying to involve in things we don't have any kind of idea. Even in terms of agreement for sure most of us are just trying to scroll all the way down just to meet and click the agree button or the check button always try to make sure your self is not involved in a harm way of your information and data but of course you cannot enter to their platform if you cannot agree on their terms without knowing at the first place they already show their terms.

As KTChampions wrote (look above), it's naive if you think that reading ToS can save you if a casino wish to freeze your account for any reason, maybe just because you are winning big... in the end, this explains everything

"the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

[JohnBitCo]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

Well this can be risky because if certain country is not allowed by them, they may allow you to deposit and play but if you win big amount they may ask for KYC. If that happens, they may not let you withdraw because you were from forbidden country and was playing via VPN.

Why take such risks when there are so many other sites with no restrictions ?

[tabas]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.

Yeah, but maybe you can try to use VPN and play because I guess some of those casinos will allow you just to play gambling. But I am not sure if they will allow you to withdraw the money once you win. Maybe from now on and in the future, maybe most online casinos will use strict rules to prevent people from breaking their rules because those casinos bond with regulation from the licensed regulator and do not want their license repeal. We really need to be very careful.

As said, most of them don't allow and for sure there are those that allow it. If a casino allows VPN then for sure they'll allow you to withdraw, there's no connection of usage of VPN and withdrawal and it is only applicable to those casinos that don't allow VPN.
So if they don't allow VPN then that's for sure that they won't allow you to withdraw if you're using VPN as you access the website.

[tabas]

As said, most of them don't allow and for sure there are those that allow it. If a casino allows VPN then for sure they'll allow you to withdraw, there's no connection of usage of VPN and withdrawal and it is only applicable to those casinos that don't allow VPN.
So if they don't allow VPN then that's for sure that they won't allow you to withdraw if you're using VPN as you access the website.

Only a few gambling sites allow the use of VPN so if you are going to use a VPN be sure you read the TOS of the gambling site you are playing about using VPN, much better if you ask the support about the use of VPN, many players are flagged because of VPN, because we all know, not every one can play in a gambling site, they do not allow people from restricted areas to avoid legal issues

You check it if you're a VPN user. That's why it's important to check and read the terms/TOS. If you have no confidence on your reading capability and comprehension.
Yeah, checking and asking through the support will help you.

[Zilon]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

You can only get this in civilized countries where  the legislative have the interest of it's citizens at heart but how about countries filled with selfish and monetized leaders who seek their pocket satisfaction waiting for every single opportunity to extort from their citizens.

I am no saying there are no laws restricting most of this ToS from overriding their clients but some countries aren't just suitable for such implementations because it would be an avenue to make massive returns from the complainant and the defendant without passing any reasonable judgement then decide on whom to favour based on who made the highest offer.

[Lucasgabd]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

Its obvious that casino terms and condition are more shorter compared to FB which is no brainer or already understandable but you cant really compare apples to oranges since they are different industries.

Terms and conditions is really an important thing for a site to have at least the players do know on what are the prohibitions and rules that do really need to be followed for them not to experience
some headache later on.

It might sound too much on wasting time on reading but its up to someone to read it up.Just go directly with the key points and not necessarily to read the whole context.

Of course they are different industries and all but the comment was more about how most of the people will be too lazy to see tons of pages of Terms of Service on the websites they use, even when their money is involved.

but yes, I agree with you that reading the ToS is important

[perfect999]

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

Some of the players playing at crypto casinos have gambling banned in their country or some may have crypto banned and the casinos are well aware of these things. They will let the gambler lose as much as he wants but once he gets lucky or hits a jackpot the casino will take advantage of the position gambler and forfeit his winnings.

Then I feel that if any famous platform has some sketchy rules, surely someone will dig deep and make it public. There are casinos running for years now and if there was any problem in the rules they must have been exposed by now.

[BuNga_cute]

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, you are right hahaha
We come to the site, register an account, start deposit, start playing some games, and winning some money. After that, we want to withdraw the money and boom, and we are in trouble because we do not know what their rule is. Although the rule seems similar to most gambling sites out there, there will be a difference from each gambling site. At least, if the gambling site has an ANN thread on here, we can ask something that we do not understand directly and I am sure we do not have to wait for a long time to get the answer. But still, we need to be patient for a while because we are not the only members on their site with a problem.

Therefore, it is very important that we change bad habits like that. By directly registering the gambling site without first reading the terms
and conditions. Indeed, almost all gambling sites have almost the same rules, but if we do a careful comparison, there are several different
rules between gambling sites that are currently circulating. Do not follow our emotions by rushing to play gambling on new gambling sites,
because there are attractive bonus offers. Because there is a possibility that there are gambling site rules that do not match what we want.
The easiest way is to choose a gambling site that has an ANN thread on this forum, we can read in the ANN thread about the gambling site
information, and most importantly we can get quick answers usually from the questions we want to ask. Another positive thing is that we can
know the responses of the members of this forum regarding the gambling site.

[Betwrong]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

[ultrloa]

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

This is why its really important to read the TOS even if almost all of gambling site have similar contents but actually they have unique rules implemented so we need to seek those information first so that if there's a trouble happen to us we are knowledgeable on things we violate  or not and we may have  legal holds if all  things go to worse. Also your right so far I didn't read any costumer win on their claims towards a casino especially if those costumer didn't  read the TOS that's why we need to read it because it will put us on big shame if we complain on such things which is clearly stated that its violating their own house rules.

[KTChampions]

I did not say that in every case you should go to court, I just showed that the widespread opinion that the company is omnipotent and it is necessary to fulfill its ToS is nothing more than a myth. As for your confidence that reading ToS will help you a lot, it is very naive. If you have read at least a few ToSs, then you probably noticed that almost each of them has a clause like "the company reserves the right to make any final decision in a disputable situation without explaining the reasons"

That is the case sometimes, but I hope you don't mean that reading ToS is pointless.

In most situations you would just skip all the troubles of going to court, or resolving an issue through a lengthy conversation with Support etc, if you read the ToS first.

But what draw my attention the most in your post was that "myth of omnipotence" part. Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

A million such cases have been and will be because many (if not most) companies enter requirements into the ToS that contradict the laws and therefore have no force, and then consumers in court easily win cases in controversial cases.
You can find it easy to find such a case on Google especially often it is associated with intellectual property rights.

Sony now has to reactivate the banned PS5 from Weslley Matheus, but this was not the first defeat that the company suffered in the Brazilian courts in this matter: in March 2021, the São Paulo State Court of Justice (TJ-SP) ruled that Sony could not permanently block the PlayStation 5 if the user broke its rules. The decision, published on the 2nd of that month and signed by Judge Anderson Antonucci, considered the action abusive.

Before that, on December 28, 2020, a judge from the same TJ ordered Sony to suspend punishment for a PlayStation 5 banned from the network. In the lawsuit, the owner of the console claimed that the ban on the console constituted “abuse of rights” by Sony, “because it is an impossible legal punishment for a good, for violating the right to the adversary and the broad defense of the author, for violating the right to the author to review the decision authorized under the LGPD [General Data Protection Law] and because it constitutes an excess of punishment incompatible with the Brazilian legal system ”.

https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/05/17/games-e-consoles/sony-ps5-banido-restauracao/

one more example:

French high court rules that Steam can’t ban users from reselling digital games

https://www.vg247.com/2019/09/20/steam-users-right-to-sell-games-french-court-valve-ruling/

and so on.

[South Park]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

While it is true that most TOS are difficult to read and are not very user friendly this is because in many cases they are written by lawyers that do so with the intention of protecting their clients, in this case the casino, and it is up to the user to understand what it is being said there, and since most of us are not lawyers then we are going to have trouble reading the text, but once you find a casino that you like then this is not a problem as you can take the time to read that TOS and forget about the rest, reducing the time you need to dedicate to this.

[Fredomago]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

While it is true that most TOS are difficult to read and are not very user friendly this is because in many cases they are written by lawyers that do so with the intention of protecting their clients, in this case the casino, and it is up to the user to understand what it is being said there, and since most of us are not lawyers then we are going to have trouble reading the text, but once you find a casino that you like then this is not a problem as you can take the time to read that TOS and forget about the rest, reducing the time you need to dedicate to this.

Well said, those terms and conditions is indeed created by lawyers who mostly intend to protect their clients it's difficult for ordinary gamblers to understand what are those rules without taking longer time to read everything.

I like the idea from the post above, there are friends or relatives who much more engaged with gambling, from their experienced using certain platforms, you'll learned not by reading but from their words if the site are good and not into scamming players.

[Fortify]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

Referrals is a good example of reading the terms because many gambling sites actually make it super restrictive and only offer the best promotions to people who promote real friends. If you go around sharing your personal referral code in random places expecting a big payout, you might find that they withhold all the money after you put a lot of work into it. They expect people to use their less generous affiliate programs if you want to start earning from promoting their services via other avenues online and you might need to "level up" through certain thresholds to get the best payouts for your referrals. Be sure if this is your plan to make money that they totally allow what you it and the methods you will be using.

[roosbit]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

[Mahanton]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Not that really much connected about reading culture or something like that, it is just part of the reality that people are really lazy on reading up a big pile of text which do mention
almost the same content all over again and again but there are some changes depending on regulation aspects on certain countries but most of the time they are just the same
and even myself doesnt really have time on reading up terms and conditions or something like that when dealing into a website.Just simply stick out with the best
and at least you do really make yourself a bit safe.

[harizen]

so do check the KYC procedure and the reputation of the company, the worse thing that can happen to you is winning a lot of money and having a KYC issue.

If it involved a reputable gambling site, there shouldn't be a problem with KYC approvals and if a user complies with that as a requirement to claim their big winnings, then it should be processed smoothly.

Now if it involved a not popular gambling site, prior to that big winnings if ever, why did these people choose a site like that? Expect that when they won big, there are lots of requirements that those sites will be asked on those big winners.

[KTChampions]

Well said, those terms and conditions is indeed created by lawyers who mostly intend to protect their clients it's difficult for ordinary gamblers to understand what are those rules without taking longer time to read everything.

I like the idea from the post above, there are friends or relatives who much more engaged with gambling, from their experienced using certain platforms, you'll learned not by reading but from their words if the site are good and not into scamming players.

Only the reputation and reviews of people who actually used the casino or other service matter. In fact, you can write anything in ToS and then not follow your own rules, and thus a person who believes in a good ToS will be deceived. Not everyone has time to deal with courts, so it's better to save time and find out real information about the service you are going to use.

[win win win]

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

[michellee]

Casinos that have a license are usually stricter in their rules, because they don't want to violate the rules of the regulator. So make it a habit to
read the terms and conditions before deciding to join the casino, lest we regret breaking one of the rules and causing our account to be banned,
even our funds can be frozen by the casino. I've had bad experiences when accessing the casino using a VPN, no problem when registering and
making a deposit, but when going to make a withdrawal can not. This is a lesson for me, to always get used to reading the terms and conditions,
so that this incident does not happen again.

When we use VPN, the real problem will come to us when we want to withdraw the money, which is the casino will not allow us to do that thing. We can not do anything about that and that is our mistake that we do not read their terms and conditions so we got that problem. If we do not have any tension to deposit much money and only search for fun, I think we can play gambling using VPN, but it is better to contact the support system and tell them about using VPN. Maybe they can understand our situation.

I am using a VPN... only with VPN I can play some providers! I never had any problems with withdrawing, but in my case, for amounts under $2k... I saw some people talk about how problems can appear when someone wins some huge money and wants to withdraw! But until now I didn't win some crazy big amount, so I can't confirm or deny this!

This is a good sample for withdrawal cases under $2k. Maybe the casino can let you withdraw that money while you use VPN. As long you do not attract their attention to check your account, you will be safe to withdraw the money. But once you withdraw big money and use VPN or other things, they can use that as their reason to block or ban your account. Maybe those people make the alarm sound so the casino directly checks on their account.

Well this can be risky because if certain country is not allowed by them, they may allow you to deposit and play but if you win big amount they may ask for KYC. If that happens, they may not let you withdraw because you were from forbidden country and was playing via VPN.

Why take such risks when there are so many other sites with no restrictions ?

Risky or not, only they will know. Many gamblers will get a problem when they want to withdraw big money and I am curious why they like to make them wake up and investigate your account while you can withdraw with little money. That will be better for you and I think that will not be a problem for you, even if you need to pay the transaction fee many times because you still win that money.

The reason is greed. We can become greedy easily when we win for some money and do anything to get more money.

As said, most of them don't allow and for sure there are those that allow it. If a casino allows VPN then for sure they'll allow you to withdraw, there's no connection of usage of VPN and withdrawal and it is only applicable to those casinos that don't allow VPN.
So if they don't allow VPN then that's for sure that they won't allow you to withdraw if you're using VPN as you access the website.

But most casinos will not allow users to use VPN and we should search for the casino that allows us to deposit, play, and withdraw the money. As long as we can get that site, we do not have to move to the other sites because we can feel comfortable with their services and maybe we can win many times.

Therefore, it is very important that we change bad habits like that. By directly registering the gambling site without first reading the terms
and conditions. Indeed, almost all gambling sites have almost the same rules, but if we do a careful comparison, there are several different
rules between gambling sites that are currently circulating. Do not follow our emotions by rushing to play gambling on new gambling sites,
because there are attractive bonus offers. Because there is a possibility that there are gambling site rules that do not match what we want.
The easiest way is to choose a gambling site that has an ANN thread on this forum, we can read in the ANN thread about the gambling site
information, and most importantly we can get quick answers usually from the questions we want to ask. Another positive thing is that we can
know the responses of the members of this forum regarding the gambling site.

Checking and making sure will be necessary because that will relate to our money used to deposit on that site. If everything is okay and we can see that we can play gambling without any problem, we can deposit the money and play some games. Sometimes, people attract to the gambling site because of the exciting offers or welcome bonuses so they forgot to check or read the terms and conditions. They read the terms and conditions until they win for some money, and they found that some rules are break.

That is why we can search for that site from here and I am sure that will fits what we want. If the @OP can actively answer the question from the others, it could be good for us to try to play on their site because we will not have to wait for a long time to get the answer.

[Fredomago]

Well said, those terms and conditions is indeed created by lawyers who mostly intend to protect their clients it's difficult for ordinary gamblers to understand what are those rules without taking longer time to read everything.

I like the idea from the post above, there are friends or relatives who much more engaged with gambling, from their experienced using certain platforms, you'll learned not by reading but from their words if the site are good and not into scamming players.

Only the reputation and reviews of people who actually used the casino or other service matter. In fact, you can write anything in ToS and then not follow your own rules, and thus a person who believes in a good ToS will be deceived. Not everyone has time to deal with courts, so it's better to save time and find out real information about the service you are going to use.

That's the point gambers mostly don't have that luxury of time in terms of contesting the claimed, better to use what you already knows best or someone already been there to enjoy the services,

Than to explore and be trapped with terms and conditions that mostly not being attended by gamblers who are playing inside the house.

once you already choose the right place for you to enjoy and entertained, fit yourself and work along side with the site, perks will slowly coming from time to time for being a loyal player.

[Lucasgabd]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

the thing is many of the ToS of websites is much more than 1 or 2 hours to read, I remember seeing an article once that compared reading time for famous websites tos like facebook, youtube and twitter and it was absurd like 10h+

didn't find the article but found this other one that illustrates the situation well
You're not alone, no one reads terms of service agreements
saying that less than 9% of consumers DO read the ToS



Every site should have a Simplified version of the full contract, imo

[magneto]

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

Yes. But you shouldn't take it as the only determinant of whether or not you want to play on a site.

A site with a very convoluted and draconian T&C may not enforce it in practice, and it may be okay that you play on their site. Meanwhile, another site with a very simple T&C may actually be a landmine waiting to be stepped on, and actually enforce KYC on all of its customer accounts.

This is very reputation is probably a bit more important than the T&Cs alone, imo. Anyone can cherrypick conditions when it comes to it, but reputation usually indicates whether or not they actually do that in the first place.

[Betwrong]

~ Were there instances when customers violated ToS and still won the case?

A million such cases have been and will be because many (if not most) companies enter requirements into the ToS that contradict the laws and therefore have no force, and then consumers in court easily win cases in controversial cases.
You can find it easy to find such a case on Google especially often it is associated with intellectual property rights.

Sony now has to reactivate the banned PS5 from Weslley Matheus, but this was not the first defeat that the company suffered in the Brazilian courts in this matter: in March 2021, the São Paulo State Court of Justice (TJ-SP) ruled that Sony could not permanently block the PlayStation 5 if the user broke its rules. The decision, published on the 2nd of that month and signed by Judge Anderson Antonucci, considered the action abusive.

Before that, on December 28, 2020, a judge from the same TJ ordered Sony to suspend punishment for a PlayStation 5 banned from the network. In the lawsuit, the owner of the console claimed that the ban on the console constituted “abuse of rights” by Sony, “because it is an impossible legal punishment for a good, for violating the right to the adversary and the broad defense of the author, for violating the right to the author to review the decision authorized under the LGPD [General Data Protection Law] and because it constitutes an excess of punishment incompatible with the Brazilian legal system ”.

https://olhardigital.com.br/en/2021/05/17/games-e-consoles/sony-ps5-banido-restauracao/

one more example:

French high court rules that Steam can’t ban users from reselling digital games

https://www.vg247.com/2019/09/20/steam-users-right-to-sell-games-french-court-valve-ruling/

and so on.

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

[KTChampions]

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games. But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

[Lucasgabd]

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games. But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

well, there is cost of opportunity, but yes, probably more people could win and don't because they end up not going
not all have the patience to do the paper work, lawyers, etc...

[batako]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

I tend to skip general terms and conditions part since I am sure that it has to be the identical thing from site to site. But if we deal with bonuses,like welcome bonus, it may differ from one to another therefore we have to read it carefully and ask the thing that we dont understand/have doubts to the support staff. Failed to understand its terms and conditions could lead us to the big regret at the end.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

*KYC free

I totally agree with this, but there are some casinos that are legally established in their country but maybe their country's regulations require customer data for their casino service users. I think this is still okay as long as it is not made difficult and takes a long time. So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

[ShowOff]

We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of ​​whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

[Lucasgabd]

We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of ​​whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

there are good topics here on the forum that shows that KYC is not only useless but also dangerous
people with bad intentions (or not) will find ways to bypass it, fake documents or pay someone else to do it for them

if anyone wants to read more on that here's a full topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.new#new

[Bitinity]

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

I agree with the first 2 but not for the 3rd one. Having free withdrawal is absolutely a benefit for us as players but casinos that charging fee for withdrawal does not mean that they are poor gambling sites that should be avoided. As long as the withdrawal fee is reasonable and they process withdrawal instantly then I'm fine with the fee.

[hahay]

*KYC free

I totally agree with this, but there are some casinos that are legally established in their country but maybe their country's regulations require customer data for their casino service users. I think this is still okay as long as it is not made difficult and takes a long time. So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Yes, and as far as I know the KYC process is fast depending on the good or bad quality of the images we send. But yes, this is gambling related although I also realize it involves money and I think, there is nothing wrong if they implement KYC but for me it would be better to avoid it if it has to involve KYC in gambling. But yes, it all depends on the comfort of each individual, but for me because there are still many other trusted gambling sites that do not implement KYC, I prefer to use their services for gambling.

[Kelvinid]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

I tend to skip general terms and conditions part since I am sure that it has to be the identical thing from site to site. But if we deal with bonuses,like welcome bonus, it may differ from one to another therefore we have to read it carefully and ask the thing that we dont understand/have doubts to the support staff. Failed to understand its terms and conditions could lead us to the big regret at the end.

We firstly not to consider this as very important for we think that was the same with others site and that is why we have no right to claim if we got the problem especially when we violated their rules because we are not able to read them at first.

If we are skeptical before and just ignore this, it was time for us to do this in order to not reach the point that we blame each other. It is our wrong doing and that is we need to change it, otherwise, the same issues and complaints will raise again and again.

[bittraffic]

We all have reason why the terms and conditions of a gambling site should be read before registering or starting to play there. In addition to reason to avoid mistakes in using the site, we will also get an idea of ​​whether the site is one of the site that meet the criteria we want. Some users are not suitable for KYC, usually in the terms and conditions we will get that information and we also avoid the site because of that.

So far, casinos that require KYC are very simple and fast. like just a formality.

Quick and easy doesn't seem like a formality. Site that have KYC rule must be able to store user data securely so it doesn't look bad. If KYC is considered a formality, then the security of user document cant be guaranteed.

there are good topics here on the forum that shows that KYC is not only useless but also dangerous
people with bad intentions (or not) will find ways to bypass it, fake documents or pay someone else to do it for them

if anyone wants to read more on that here's a full topic
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221497.new#new

Everyone hates KYC and most casinos already knew that. Even the big popular crypto casino is not asking for it but the fiat base are. But I'm still not buying that gamblers are actually reading TOS before playing. If they have been in crypto for years, most of the time, they just register, deposit, and play.

Some may read TOS but probably are looking for loopholes. Sometimes the time, when they read, is already the time where their account is already frozen for suspicious activity.

[Lucasgabd]

Gamblers should ban together and stop supporting poor gambling sites

*Easy to read terms and conditions

*KYC free

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Any site that is missing any of these points should be avoided

I agree with the first 2 but not for the 3rd one. Having free withdrawal is absolutely a benefit for us as players but casinos that charging fee for withdrawal does not mean that they are poor gambling sites that should be avoided. As long as the withdrawal fee is reasonable and they process withdrawal instantly then I'm fine with the fee.

yes @Bitinity
free withdrawals are not a must for deciding on using a website
but its an interesting thing to look at, sometimes you can even assess an exchange risk by that, if they charge really high fees and have huge processing times its a red flag.

[jostorres]

*Easy to read terms and conditions

Almost all the casinos have terms and conditions in basic English which are easy to understand but too long to read.

*KYC free

With the crypto gambling being more and more licensed, I don't think many casinos exist now that don't ask KYC under some situation.

*Free withdrawals (even if it's only once a week)

Sportsbet.io does it but I don't think every casino can do that because the transaction fees is not something casinos are charging, it's the cost of making that transaction and cannot expect the casinos to pay it.

[Davidvictorson]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

[South Park]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.

[Mahanton]

It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?

Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.

Totally different because reading isnt something you do really need to learn up because having that knowledge plus having that understanding would really be enough
for you to tell on which one is good and which one is bad.This is just a matter of laziness of people who doesnt want to read up even if they are knowledgeable.
I would somewhat agree that reading a pile of text is boring and since they do wrote the same thing all over again then its just understandable that
people would mostly skip it.

[Lucasgabd]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

[tabas]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. 

It's where the problem goes when someone starts to withdraw and he's a VPN user but didn't read the T&C that it's not allowed by the casino. In that case, the amount will be held by the casino.
There were some cases that I've seen that they've been given a pass and it was resolved but I don't know what they did but maybe it's just about negotiation and compliance if asked by that casino.

[xSkylarx]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.

[goinmerry]

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN.  There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.

[freedomgo]

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN.  There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.

In most cases, it's the gamblers that will face problems if they violate the rules of a casino, so if you are gambling especially with a decent amount of money. Just try not to cheat by using a VPN just for the site to allow you because they detected a masked IP, eventually, you'll get caught and your money will be freeze.

That's usually what we saw in some of the scam accusations reports, and then gambleres accuse the site of cheating when it was actually them who broke the rules, the sites just made the right action of the violation.

[harizen]

and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

A user can always find a way to access even a restricted site. A website even with powerful tracking tools can't give 100% assurance that it won't be used by those users who are from prohibited countries. There will be no legal action that will be imposed on these websites since in the first place, they don't control it.

For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.

[Mahanton]

and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

A user can always find a way to access even a restricted site. A website even with powerful tracking tools can't give 100% assurance that it won't be used by those users who are from prohibited countries. There will be no legal action that will be imposed on these websites since in the first place, they don't control it.

For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.

Restriction on the first page is somewhat a turn off when it comes to over all design and we do know that theres a tab about or showing of TOS.It is on someones responsibility or action if they would read it up or not.
When it comes to blocking access then it would be pointless because people would just simply use VPN and able to access if they are really that serious on playing on a certain site.
Conditions are set but since its a long pile of text then its no surprise that people would most like ignore and just proceed without knowing any rules and prohibitions.
They would just simply check it out when they are already experiencing some problem.

[seleme]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. 

It's where the problem goes when someone starts to withdraw and he's a VPN user but didn't read the T&C that it's not allowed by the casino. In that case, the amount will be held by the casino.
There were some cases that I've seen that they've been given a pass and it was resolved but I don't know what they did but maybe it's just about negotiation and compliance if asked by that casino.

Once I have sent the $500 to the new account on the casino for betting on promo, later missed the opportunity and decided to withdraw back. They have frozen my account and asked a couple of personal questions, asked to confirm my IP address and source of funds. After talking to support, they shared the Terms&Conditions and I am supposed to wager at least 3x deposit before making a withdrawal. I decided to bypass KYC and they sent back the deposit to the same address after 3 days of countless conversations. It is essential to know the main t&c if you don't want to get in trouble in the future.

[Betwrong]

Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games.

I think it differs from country to country, but, from what I know it can be pricey for many people even just to press charges. Then, courts are corrupt in so many countries, unfortunately, and thus an individual have low chances of winning the case against a big company, who can bribe the court.

But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

With this I absolutely agree. Those of us who have enough resources for suing an impudent company should try to do so, especially in countries with low levels of corruption.

[arwin100]

and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.

Yeah they should put thay to avoid any confusion to the gamblers but also its obligation for gamblers to check and read the terms and conditiom upon start up since if they fail to do that then for sure they will encounter a major issue in future. Also for sure they know that their country has strict rules about gambling so they shouldn't be surprise if their country is banned on any casino so from this case they should stop and follow what their law implement to their citizens.

[vipi8129]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

[michellee]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

[Lucasgabd]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.

could be
but isn't it weird to see gambling websites on countries that would seize it somehow?
I thought all these would use the juridic loopholes and open their companies on places like tha Cayman islands, Malta or something like that

[Lucasgabd]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

you could skip and do some "diagonal reading" but this is of course not the ideal since you may miss important information on the fine print
casinos could be nice and give people a simplified Terms and conditions like an one pager
but I suppose its not that easy / they dont want to do it

[South Park]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

While it would ideal that people read the terms of services they are being offered many never take the time to do it and in a great deal of the cases this is not going to be such a huge problem, but it can be especially if you earn a huge amount of money in the casino, at that point people will be extremely happy due to their luck but if they inadvertently violated of the rules on those terms of service people are going to be mad that their winnings are voided, but in that case they have no one else to blame but themselves.

[Fatunad]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

While it would ideal that people read the terms of services they are being offered many never take the time to do it and in a great deal of the cases this is not going to be such a huge problem, but it can be especially if you earn a huge amount of money in the casino, at that point people will be extremely happy due to their luck but if they inadvertently violated of the rules on those terms of service people are going to be mad that their winnings are voided, but in that case they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Im just a small time gambler and those rules are just  common in most gambling sites.Just mind off about;

-Multi-account
-Restricted countries

These are the common information that you do need to know and the rest isnt really necessary for you to read up.
Even myself wont really be having that time on reading up that very very long text.

[michellee]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

you could skip and do some "diagonal reading" but this is of course not the ideal since you may miss important information on the fine print
casinos could be nice and give people a simplified Terms and conditions like an one pager
but I suppose its not that easy / they dont want to do it

It could be right, but if you think that reading all the Terms and Conditions pages will make it clear to understand the casino rules, you are free to do that. That suggestion will only be for a gambler who does not have much time or are too lazy to read a whole page of that so they will skip and only read what they think is necessary for them. Well, that will depend on themselves for reading the Terms and Conditions because we will know what we need to know.

[Lucasgabd]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

you could skip and do some "diagonal reading" but this is of course not the ideal since you may miss important information on the fine print
casinos could be nice and give people a simplified Terms and conditions like an one pager
but I suppose its not that easy / they dont want to do it

It could be right, but if you think that reading all the Terms and Conditions pages will make it clear to understand the casino rules, you are free to do that. That suggestion will only be for a gambler who does not have much time or are too lazy to read a whole page of that so they will skip and only read what they think is necessary for them. Well, that will depend on themselves for reading the Terms and Conditions because we will know what we need to know.

yes, I agree with you in reality
in the end if you have to get to this point where suing or exercising the contract somehow against the casino, going into a fight, both parts already lost.
in my opinion
thats why its better to use reputable and known websites

[coin-investor]

I have accounts on some gambling sites and never read their terms only on sites that I am actively playing because some of these terms are just the same terms where you are actively playing, I just read them when I decide to become active and deposit big money, it's very important that you are not violating any rules or terms, in case you win a jackpot and would like to cash out when money is involved you have to be guided.

[South Park]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

While it would ideal that people read the terms of services they are being offered many never take the time to do it and in a great deal of the cases this is not going to be such a huge problem, but it can be especially if you earn a huge amount of money in the casino, at that point people will be extremely happy due to their luck but if they inadvertently violated of the rules on those terms of service people are going to be mad that their winnings are voided, but in that case they have no one else to blame but themselves.

Im just a small time gambler and those rules are just  common in most gambling sites.Just mind off about;

-Multi-account
-Restricted countries

These are the common information that you do need to know and the rest isnt really necessary for you to read up.
Even myself wont really be having that time on reading up that very very long text.

Most of the time that is the only information that a player needs to know, however there are some sports that have some very specific rules when it comes to dealing with specific situations and if you like to bet on those sports then you need to know exactly how the casino deals with that, now I can understand why people may think that reading the terms of service can be a pain especially if they gamble in a lot of casinos but if you gamble in only one then you should take the time to at least read them once.

[Zilon]

I have accounts on some gambling sites and never read their terms only on sites that I am actively playing because some of these terms are just the same terms where you are actively playing, I just read them when I decide to become active and deposit big money, it's very important that you are not violating any rules or terms, in case you win a jackpot and would like to cash out when money is involved you have to be guided.

Most gamblers has fallen victim of this online casinos and gambling sites. Just imagine winnings a mega jackpot and you are required to meet a certain criteria before you can cash out it looks frustrating atimes most especially when you can't meet up to those demands early enough it can put you as a person under duress.

[Betwrong]

Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

This is what we expect, but in reality it can be different. And more often than not the Terms and Conditions are different not because of some evil intentions of the site owners, but because the laws are different in different countries, and abiding the laws gambling sites must formulate their T&C accordingly. So it's always better to take at least a quick look at those paragraphs.

[Oasisman]

I guess most of the online gambling websites, specifically in crypto gambling casinos has almost the same content of the TOS. One of the most important thing to look for a player is the country restrictions like many have said here.
So, I guess everyone is already aware of the restrictions.
I think those people who's having trouble withdrawing their funds because the company denied their KYC verification, they should've done that before they made large transactions just to be safe.

[AicecreaME]

The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.

could be
but isn't it weird to see gambling websites on countries that would seize it somehow?
I thought all these would use the juridic loopholes and open their companies on places like tha Cayman islands, Malta or something like that

If I understood it correctly, the only way to determine if someone is using VPN is if he's switching different servers from different countries where gambling is legal from time to time, that's why gambling sites that don't allow such thing blocked them instantly. But if they will stick to just one server, I guess it would be fine, but still risky though since you funds are on it.

Just imagine you got your first deposit done and ready to gamble but the gambling site just blocked you because they detected you were using VPN.

[CryptocurencyKing]

If I understood it correctly, the only way to determine if someone is using VPN is if he's switching different servers from different countries where gambling is legal from time to time, that's why gambling sites that don't allow such thing blocked them instantly. But if they will stick to just one server, I guess it would be fine, but still risky though since you funds are on it.

Just imagine you got your first deposit done and ready to gamble but the gambling site just blocked you because they detected you were using VPN.

Lol, blocked after first deposit, what happens to before first deposit, shouldn't that be the best way to go about it?
Well, perhaps they are within there rights to do so, having it in there terms and conditions puts them in the right but then, it shows that what, these gambling sites and platforms has seen this as another way to make make some extra unsolicited cash and as such, an account becomes review worthy only when its got some funds or huge wins on it. There, its worth the time that could be spent on it in searching out flaws and apparently, your lost likely to have used a different server, especially for someone who is obsessed with security.