Terms and condition a must read before signing up any online gambling site

[panjul07]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

No one will be willing to read the whole terms of any services by spending few hours, trust me.
Most people including me usually read some part of it especially the one which we consider as the most important thing.
In my case, I will only use search function to find part about KYC, payment system and method, and some other things.
Basically most terms is similar to each other so I think it is wasting time and useless to read the whole terms of a service.

[South Park]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

[Quidat]

I will admit that I am also guilty of this, it is not fun at all to read the terms of conditions of a new site especially if you do not know if you are going to be there for long, but it has to be done, after all supposing we are lucky enough to get a huge win out of our gambling activities now you are going to be subjected to those terms of service and if you violated a single one of the terms then it is unlikely your wins are ever going to be paid.

^ But that is not a good practice at all, we should spend time at least 1-2 hours reading the TOS before using it. Especially in gambling that is very needed, to avoid possible gambling games that have various rules and conditions before using them and avoid possible mistakes in the future. Reading TOS is very important than FAQ, we should learn to practice ourselves reading anything before using the site. Because sometimes the result of freezing time are those people who did not know it that could their account become an uncessable.

Which is why I take my time to do it now and I read the TOS of every single website in which I deposit money, but I admit that at the beginning when I was just a newbie I did not do it, fortunately for me this never brought me trouble but since I have read some of the stories in the forum about people that did in fact got in trouble for not reading the TOS then it is better to take the precaution and do it, even if most TOS when it comes to casinos are similar there are still some differences especially when it comes to bonuses and things like that.

Not necessarily to read up the whole context because that would really be time consuming for all of us to read it all but instead only focus on vpn restriotion, prohibited countries,
multiple accounts, or something similar to that or really just finding about your concern or in doubts or the thing you do have in mind.Im not saying its nonsense to read up
but most of the time they are just almost similar TOS with few changes or alterations so its not really that suggested to do so in overall reading.
Yeah its important but only read the detailed guidelines.

[l3pox]

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

[AmoreJaz]

I doubt the majority of here will spend 1-2 hours reading the Terms and Conditions. If you are doing that for every site, I'm amazed at you. And besides, it's not that easy to memorize all the terms even spending 1-2 hours or more. You will still miss something.

With that, I will say it's "NOT NECESSARY" to read the whole Terms.

Mainly, just go ahead to terms about anything related to Know-Your-Customer, Prohibited Countries, using VPN, multiple accounts, bonus terms, Deposit, and Withdrawal terms, or something that you are concerned about.

There is one more interesting point: in any ToS of any casino you can find terms that will be unacceptable for you. And what to do in this case? We cannot offer our conditions for a casino or find casino where everything suits us, so we have to compromise and hope that these unpleasant points will not be important.

this is a big thing
if the terms are really against your beliefs than you should probably avoid using the website

since we can't change it unless we open our own online casinos

same applies to other website like social media, or even email service.

not reading the important sections in ToS may lead to loss or freezing of your funds. if you unconsciously violate some of their terms because you havent checked their terms. it is not the fault of the casino but the player himself. this is why some complaints are not valid because it is the player's mistake and not the casino. so if you have significant amount of funds to play with, better read at least those important sections for you as pointed out by harizen. otherwise, dont cry and accuse the site because of your negligence.

[Rruchi man]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

[TheGreatPython]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

[michellee]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

[TimeTeller]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

This is very right. It is better to play on casinos that have active thread here in the forum.
Because in case you got problem, it is easy to reach out to them.
Of course, they don't want their players to be waiting in vain just to resolve simple issues.
Because if that happens, it will be a trouble for them as the player may create noise about the unresolved issue.
The major points in ToS that everyone should look at are what michellee suggested, kyc requirements, min depo/withdrawal, fees.
If I may add, the use of VPN as some casinos are not allowing the use of it. So you may want to confirm it from them if you are using VPN.
Some are accepting deposits even if you used VPN but when it comes to withdrawal, they may froze your account because of VPN issue.
So it is better to clarify it from them so you won't be surprised once you need to get out of your funds.

[palle11]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly.

They make the writing there so many that you can stay all day for just reading an agreement and some words are ambiguous for a normal person to understand and interpret except a lawyer. This is why some people don't find time to read such but sign up to it.

To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

This is a good idea and I also do that. I feel comfortable to play where someone I know is already playing, I just have to ask for the rules from them and not to read all that was written.

[BuNga_cute]

I really like to read the terms and conditions but truly it is usually presented in a manner that does not support user friendliness so it is difficult for me to settle down and read the whole terms and conditions properly. To save myself from the drama, what i do is that i only use gambling platforms and sites that i have friends who have used it and got paid there hassle free, that is, i use gambling sites only by word of mouth recommendation or referral, not trying to be the first among my friends who i know gamble more than i do to discover a new gambling site.

That is what most of us are doing actually, we play at sites we know are here for a long time and even if there might be a problem, we expect the casino to solve it peacefully. I agree that reading all the minute details is really hard because neither we have the patience nor the exact understanding of the terms & conditions. Although I would suggest reading the terms around the KYC procedure at least, to avoid problems later on if you win something significant.

And maybe when you have free time and are playing games, you can slowly read the terms and conditions like reading few points and then back to gambling, this way you can read it without getting bored.

I am sure that will help us stay away from making a mistake or break their rule because we do not want to see our account will get ban by them. Maybe we can skip reading all of the terms and conditions but we only need to search the KYC, the minimal deposit and withdrawal and how much the fee is. If we do not understand something that is written on the term and conditions, we can ask to support system and I am sure they will guide us and give the right answer.

If the gambling site has an ANN thread here, we can directly ask them and that is why I prefer to use the gambling sites from here to playing gambling because we can easily contact them if we got trouble.

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

[john_nautica]

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, I think one of the dilemmas here is if it is right to make the terms and conditions more precise to at least shorten the content and encourage more people to read it. Although, one point that must be considered if there will be no missed information by doing so. What do you think guys?

ANN threads are definitely helpful because these helps people to comprehend things easily while also having direct communication with the community and the gambling site managers.

[l3pox]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

[michellee]

This is very right. It is better to play on casinos that have active thread here in the forum.
Because in case you got problem, it is easy to reach out to them.
Of course, they don't want their players to be waiting in vain just to resolve simple issues.
Because if that happens, it will be a trouble for them as the player may create noise about the unresolved issue.
The major points in ToS that everyone should look at are what michellee suggested, kyc requirements, min depo/withdrawal, fees.
If I may add, the use of VPN as some casinos are not allowing the use of it. So you may want to confirm it from them if you are using VPN.
Some are accepting deposits even if you used VPN but when it comes to withdrawal, they may froze your account because of VPN issue.
So it is better to clarify it from them so you won't be surprised once you need to get out of your funds.

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

I'm sure most gamblers are lazy to read the terms and conditions, because they are usually quite long if we have to read all of them.
So I agree that at least we can use the search feature to find the points we need, so there's no need to read all the terms and conditions.
But if we have free time, it is better to read all the terms and conditions, I'm afraid maybe that there are important points that might miss.
I also prefer gambling sites that have an ANN thread on this forum, besides we can directly ask the things we want to know, and it makes
it easier for me to judge the gambling site is worth using or not.

Yes, you are right hahaha
We come to the site, register an account, start deposit, start playing some games, and winning some money. After that, we want to withdraw the money and boom, and we are in trouble because we do not know what their rule is. Although the rule seems similar to most gambling sites out there, there will be a difference from each gambling site. At least, if the gambling site has an ANN thread on here, we can ask something that we do not understand directly and I am sure we do not have to wait for a long time to get the answer. But still, we need to be patient for a while because we are not the only members on their site with a problem.

[Mahdirakib]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, ~
not sure about the casino ones

It means you are not in gambling and never checked the terms and conditions page of any casino? T&C is the most important part of a gambling sites. There is no reason to make it short. Gambler use to complain against casino by ignoring the facts of T&C. If casino makes it shorter then the gambler will get more opportunities to blame casino. However, it won't take much time to check the terms and conditions of any casino. Even you don't need to check the whole details of T&C page, just check the important part of it. As example, restricted countries, withdrawal information, VPN usage.

[ReiMomo]

A whole lot of persons have shared their experience lately how some online casinos tend to frustrate them during withdraws, declining their uploaded certificate s for KYC verification. In my own opinion I would suggest before clicking and accepting any terms and condition given by most of this casinos it's better one analyze what he/she is signing up and understand to what extent one can easily deposit and withdrawal from such sites

Gambling is gradually becoming an occupation mostly now where vertically everything is done digitally and many get their major source of income gambling so it wouldn't be wise if after accumulating series of progressive winnings you find it difficult to withdraw from such sites.

I'm not good at referrals so I don't get blamed if the unexpected occurs in your cause of gambling but I recommend you do thorough research before depositing your hard earned token on any casino to avoid getting your self worked up by the so called casino sites.

Lastly gamble responsibly its better to earn in cents than to loss in dollars get other source of income to complement your gambling so you don't lose out completely on your fund because gambling remains a game of probability and so responsible approach keeps you in check

How about the following, if we get an audio option playing terms and conditions and in turn of our confirmation, a voice confirmation is made and recorded. This would eradicate many just skip reading terms and conditions since they are in paragraphs and in pages. The excitement just pushes oneself to just rush through sign ins and registration. Just take time and get familiar with concern site's terms and conditions before going for sign ups.

[Oilacris]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

Its obvious that casino terms and condition are more shorter compared to FB which is no brainer or already understandable but you cant really compare apples to oranges since they are different industries.

Terms and conditions is really an important thing for a site to have at least the players do know on what are the prohibitions and rules that do really need to be followed for them not to experience
some headache later on.

It might sound too much on wasting time on reading but its up to someone to read it up.Just go directly with the key points and not necessarily to read the whole context.

[KTChampions]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

[crzy]

you are right @AmoreJaz
a peson wouldn't be able to complain if they violate the ToS
but ToS makers usually dont help either by making it short and direct to the point, have you checked how long does it take to read, let's say, Facebook ToS?
its really long, like hours.

not sure about the casino ones

This is not the case (at least in my country and I know that approximately the same norms work in most countries). The company can write anything to the ToS and the user can even agree with this, but this does not change the priority of the current legislation, so that the user can at any time sue the company and challenge any provision of the ToS, regardless of whether he previously agreed with them or not. The final decision is always up to the court.

I can’t imagine how much time and money you’ll spend on suing a company because of their terms and conditions than to read it for just like a 1 to 2hrs, anyway if its a millions of money then I think it’s worth it.

I don’t know why people are too lazy to read those important details that can save them from trouble, btw that’s the risk they are taking and if something bad happen because of their own mistakes, no one to blame for but yourself.

[tabas]

Thanks for mentioning VPN as the next thing that we need to know as many casinos will not allowing people to use VPN and only allow them to have one account for one person. Maybe if you be honest to them that you use VPN because your ISP does not allow you to visit a gambling site and allow you, that will not be a problem, but that will depend on their policy. After we know about the rules, we hope we can take care of ourselves by playing gambling without trying to break the rules.

Most casinos don't allow the usage of VPN and that's why you have to be careful in using it. Although some allows it to use but if you're spot on the casino that don't allow it then you know the consequence that you're about to take.
That's why it's important to read even a couple of important lines with the TOS of any casino you sign up and also any other website. Because you'll actually get to see what they're up too including data collection.