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July 23, 2021, 02:50:19 PM
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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

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July 23, 2021, 06:27:02 PM
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It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?
Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.
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July 23, 2021, 08:36:22 PM
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It's the way to go because many of the times these gambling sites protect themselves with terms and conditions, while the players themselves just hate to read them and only act surprised when these terms are quoted to us and try to play victim when some rules are broken.

Is it correct and proof to say our reading culture is getting worse by the day?
Reading which is one of the most basic actions that we need to know in order to learn new knowledge is going down dramatically, kids are forced to read on school and as such many never learn how to do it well which is why they hate it, but even the ones that do it right are losing their skill because instead of reading they are just watching videos for everything and while there are activities in which a video can be way better there is nothing like a book if you want to find a concentrated source of knowledge.
Totally different because reading isnt something you do really need to learn up because having that knowledge plus having that understanding would really be enough
for you to tell on which one is good and which one is bad.This is just a matter of laziness of people who doesnt want to read up even if they are knowledgeable.
I would somewhat agree that reading a pile of text is boring and since they do wrote the same thing all over again then its just understandable that
people would mostly skip it.

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July 24, 2021, 09:47:41 PM
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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

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July 24, 2021, 09:56:11 PM
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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. 
It's where the problem goes when someone starts to withdraw and he's a VPN user but didn't read the T&C that it's not allowed by the casino. In that case, the amount will be held by the casino.
There were some cases that I've seen that they've been given a pass and it was resolved but I don't know what they did but maybe it's just about negotiation and compliance if asked by that casino.

 
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July 26, 2021, 12:31:43 PM
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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.
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July 26, 2021, 12:59:38 PM
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I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN.  There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.
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July 26, 2021, 05:22:37 PM
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I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

You already said that gamblers use VPN so they will have the freedom to access the website they won't able to access in their country.

How come the website will be responsible for any legal actions if they allow users from prohibited countries to play? They won't detect it because of the obvious reason that they are using a VPN.  There are lots of VPN types and site owners can't reliably detect if those users are using a VPN.

They put that on terms so that users will know that anything related to VPN is not allowed on the site even there's no way a site can confirm it. The only closest thing that site owners can look at is if the account was logged impossibly on different regions in just a short timeframe.

In most cases, it's the gamblers that will face problems if they violate the rules of a casino, so if you are gambling especially with a decent amount of money. Just try not to cheat by using a VPN just for the site to allow you because they detected a masked IP, eventually, you'll get caught and your money will be freeze.

That's usually what we saw in some of the scam accusations reports, and then gambleres accuse the site of cheating when it was actually them who broke the rules, the sites just made the right action of the violation.

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July 26, 2021, 08:00:42 PM
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and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

A user can always find a way to access even a restricted site. A website even with powerful tracking tools can't give 100% assurance that it won't be used by those users who are from prohibited countries. There will be no legal action that will be imposed on these websites since in the first place, they don't control it.

For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.

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July 26, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
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and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.

A user can always find a way to access even a restricted site. A website even with powerful tracking tools can't give 100% assurance that it won't be used by those users who are from prohibited countries. There will be no legal action that will be imposed on these websites since in the first place, they don't control it.

For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.
Restriction on the first page is somewhat a turn off when it comes to over all design and we do know that theres a tab about or showing of TOS.It is on someones responsibility or action if they would read it up or not.
When it comes to blocking access then it would be pointless because people would just simply use VPN and able to access if they are really that serious on playing on a certain site.
Conditions are set but since its a long pile of text then its no surprise that people would most like ignore and just proceed without knowing any rules and prohibitions.
They would just simply check it out when they are already experiencing some problem.

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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page. 
It's where the problem goes when someone starts to withdraw and he's a VPN user but didn't read the T&C that it's not allowed by the casino. In that case, the amount will be held by the casino.
There were some cases that I've seen that they've been given a pass and it was resolved but I don't know what they did but maybe it's just about negotiation and compliance if asked by that casino.
Once I have sent the $500 to the new account on the casino for betting on promo, later missed the opportunity and decided to withdraw back. They have frozen my account and asked a couple of personal questions, asked to confirm my IP address and source of funds. After talking to support, they shared the Terms&Conditions and I am supposed to wager at least 3x deposit before making a withdrawal. I decided to bypass KYC and they sent back the deposit to the same address after 3 days of countless conversations. It is essential to know the main t&c if you don't want to get in trouble in the future.

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Interesting articles. Thanks for the links!

I wouldn't say there are "million such cases", though. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad there are such cases, and I hope there will be more cases like those in the future, but we both know that in the vast majority of cases if you break the rules(ToS/T&C) you won't win in court. So, even though those companies are not omnipotent(and that's good, of course) it's better for us to read ToS, at least briefly, at least "diagonally", but to not ignore it completely.

The only reason people don't win millions of such cases in courts is their unwillingness to go there. Few people want to waste time for the sake of their adherence to principles and punish a corporation for the loss of a virtual character or access to a virtual service. This is especially not relevant given the fact that there are many other services/games.

I think it differs from country to country, but, from what I know it can be pricey for many people even just to press charges. Then, courts are corrupt in so many countries, unfortunately, and thus an individual have low chances of winning the case against a big company, who can bribe the court.

But still, we must not forget about our fundamental rights and regard corporations as gods. It will be useful for them and for us, we will know about our rights, and they will be less impudent.

With this I absolutely agree. Those of us who have enough resources for suing an impudent company should try to do so, especially in countries with low levels of corruption.

 
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July 27, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
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and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country.


For prohibited countries and region concerns, a website should put a noticed directly on the registration page so that new users are aware. While at the same time, if they detect that the IP was coming from a prohibited country, make it inaccessible. In some cases, a website can still be accessed and users can even sign up and register even they are from no supported countries.

Yeah they should put thay to avoid any confusion to the gamblers but also its obligation for gamblers to check and read the terms and conditiom upon start up since if they fail to do that then for sure they will encounter a major issue in future. Also for sure they know that their country has strict rules about gambling so they shouldn't be surprise if their country is banned on any casino so from this case they should stop and follow what their law implement to their citizens.

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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.
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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.
No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.


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July 27, 2021, 08:16:26 PM
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The Terms and conditions is a very important page. To avoid a situation where earnings are withheld for breach of terms one should take note these in the T&C page.  Winnings and stake of an underaged 🔞 gambler or from people in an illegal country will be withheld. Failure to follow the laid down rules for verifying your account will also have your winnings withheld. Having two accounts with the same IP will get you suspended. Also, you will be blocked if you try to deposit and withdraw using a different payment method. Getting caught using a VPN, especially when it is used for illicit purposes will have your account blocked and your winnings withheld.

this will usually vary from website to website
not all casinos and gambling websites will block VPN or same IP users, sometimes they can use other methods for verifying as well

I believe that those websites that block VPNs do so because some of the users who are from countries where online gambling is restricted or prohibited must use VPNs to access the gambling websites, and the websites will be affected if legal action is taken against them because they did not prevent the user from playing even though it is prohibited in their country. Also, we see that most gambling sites have faucets where you can try or feel how to play the game with just free money that was given to the website, and the user can create multiple accounts to take advantage of it.

could be
but isn't it weird to see gambling websites on countries that would seize it somehow?
I thought all these would use the juridic loopholes and open their companies on places like tha Cayman islands, Malta or something like that

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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.
No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

you could skip and do some "diagonal reading" but this is of course not the ideal since you may miss important information on the fine print
casinos could be nice and give people a simplified Terms and conditions like an one pager
but I suppose its not that easy / they dont want to do it

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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

While it would ideal that people read the terms of services they are being offered many never take the time to do it and in a great deal of the cases this is not going to be such a huge problem, but it can be especially if you earn a huge amount of money in the casino, at that point people will be extremely happy due to their luck but if they inadvertently violated of the rules on those terms of service people are going to be mad that their winnings are voided, but in that case they have no one else to blame but themselves.
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July 27, 2021, 10:49:58 PM
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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.

While it would ideal that people read the terms of services they are being offered many never take the time to do it and in a great deal of the cases this is not going to be such a huge problem, but it can be especially if you earn a huge amount of money in the casino, at that point people will be extremely happy due to their luck but if they inadvertently violated of the rules on those terms of service people are going to be mad that their winnings are voided, but in that case they have no one else to blame but themselves.
Im just a small time gambler and those rules are just  common in most gambling sites.Just mind off about;

-Multi-account
-Restricted countries

These are the common information that you do need to know and the rest isnt really necessary for you to read up.
Even myself wont really be having that time on reading up that very very long text.
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July 28, 2021, 09:09:03 AM
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Most operators use the Terms and Conditions as a failsafe mechanism against spammers and bonus abusers. The most common thing that casinos do is to cancel the bonus, and there are  several reasons why they can legally do it. While reading the T&C can be a daunting task, it pays off in the long run, considering that you will most likely want to cash out your winnings at some point.
No, it is not. As long as you can search for the important notes from the casino on that terms and conditions, you do not have to spend a long time reading all of the rules. The other rules will be almost the same as the other casino, so you can skip it if you think you understand what it means. The important is that you are not trying to break their rules because that can impact your account and get ban or block by the casino.

you could skip and do some "diagonal reading" but this is of course not the ideal since you may miss important information on the fine print
casinos could be nice and give people a simplified Terms and conditions like an one pager
but I suppose its not that easy / they dont want to do it
It could be right, but if you think that reading all the Terms and Conditions pages will make it clear to understand the casino rules, you are free to do that. That suggestion will only be for a gambler who does not have much time or are too lazy to read a whole page of that so they will skip and only read what they think is necessary for them. Well, that will depend on themselves for reading the Terms and Conditions because we will know what we need to know.


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