maybe just do some research instead
mellor went to el salvador touting his wares and dreams of how LN was bitcoin (heck even in the video we just both watched he tries to say bitcoin moves across world in seconds. where he is not correctly saying bitcoin takes 10minutes+ and lightning (which is not the bitcoin network) is in seconds)
see how he is the one exaggerating expectations.. MELLOR said "bitcoin across the world in seconds"
so he has lied.. by trying to proclaim that LN features, are "bitcoin"
meaning many people then expect bitcoin to be internationally transfered in seconds
al so the liquidity of LN(available routing pathways) was not sufficient to allow LN payments of msat(its true network feature) which was the backbone of v1 of chivo wallet.. and within THREE MONTHS el salvador dropped LN and had to redesign chivo wallet to communicate with a CEX (alphapoint)
if still unsure dont cry and say you need information and wait for me to spoonfeed you.. go research it. its called google and will feed you in seconds
then you cant cry that im trying to poison you with my spoon feeds(usual excuse people make to remain ignorant, "misinformation coz franky")
so if you are going to try that game, then dont reply. just DYOR
learn independently and you cant cry no more
however if you do want spoonfeeds and not going to make crying excuses after
timeline:
summer 2021-jan2022: strike+chivo (strike=mellor)
sept21-jan 22: chivo wallet had many faults over previous months
january 2022 chivo announces new partnership with alphapoint (strike disapears and denounces any involvement in helping el salvador)
I thought that I already acknowledge that there are some third-party custodial wallets... .. so yeah, I don't know the details, and if I had a lightning wallet and I sent my transaction to someone with a chivo wallet, then wouldn't they be able to receive it.. That was the ONLY point that I was making in regards to some of the wallets in El Salvador may have had issues.
emphasis:
incase you dont want to cry but want a quick spoonfeed heres a 30 second google search
https://slate.com/technology/2022/05/el-salvador-bitcoin-crash-nayib-bukele.htmlAdvised by Strike CEO Jack Mallers, Bukele’s government rolled out a digital crypto wallet in app form, called Chivo (Salvadoran slang for cool), which came preloaded with $30 of Bitcoin to encourage adoption. Many who downloaded it found it confusing and buggy
(note, these $30 of msat accounts were LN inbound balances of 'tempID microchannels" with strike on other end. not actual new UTXO with $30 of bitcoin locked to citizens own keys)
https://www.theblock.co/post/131452/el-salvadors-chivo-wallet-keeps-breaking-and-users-are-seeking-answersWhile many spent the holiday season with friends and family, at least dozens of people in El Salvador were also dedicating a good chunk of time to chasing down customer support for their government-provided bitcoin wallets — and posting about it on Twitter.
Sometime between November and December, the website began to fill up with noticeably more complaints about unknown or failed transactions related to Chivo, the state-backed bitcoin wallet that went live in September to much fanfare.
https://alphapoint.com/blog/case-study-chivo/When Bitcoin first became legal tender in El Salvador, thousands of keen Salvadorans awaited to download the country’s government-furnished Bitcoin wallet. To incentivize immediate usage at the time of launch, the government deposited $30 of ‘seed money’ into each user’s Chivo account. However, it became apparent that rolling-out an app of this scale and historic significance would not come without challenges...
AlphaPoint also improved the Lightning integration
(alphapoint even had to edit and fix strike LN integration)
I had already heard that they had problems with the roll out of that wallet.. so I doubt that the Chivo wallet is the whole story about being able to transact with bitcoin (and/or lightning network) in el salvaldor.
Yes, I understand that part of the attraction of lightning network was to allow for smaller level transactions, and yeah, maybe that part is not working so well in El Salvador in terms of the feasiblity of smaller transactions and the other problems that you point out that they become less and less lighting network and seem to be like a inside service.. and so yeah, I don't know if I would be able to send from my lightning wallet in those cases... I doubt that the problems with those parts of the programs would be a total death knell for whatever is going on with lightning network in El Salvador, but yeah you could be correct that Mallers's reputation should be undermined based on some of the issues if his company and his systems might have been involved in some of the failures to deliver.. perhaps? perhaps? I don't claim to have time to be studying into the matters, even if you ended up pointing out some of these matters.
.. but hey, let see you reply and cry that you idolise some dev god,
Mallers is still popular, so yeah, maybe he is partly responsible for his product not being used in El Salvador as much as it had seemed to have had been originally outlined. I don't mind to consider the facts on the ground if some of the matters might not be working out as well as anticipated and yeah there might be certain interfaces that are not working - even though like I originally mentioned there are still ways to use the lightning network in El Salvador or even to transact in bitcoin that might not be so easily accomplished in other areas, especially since El Salvador is promoting the abilities to transact in bitcoin and/or lightning network.
and think im just poisoning your beliefs as your lame excuse to ignore real information from actual users(el salvadorian complaints) that tried it and hated the experience.. go continue to be blind and idolise a dev god like a cult and say you trust a guy that cant even realise he is wearing a shirt inside out or.. realise things are not as utopian dreamy as your dev god make out
I did not say that I worship him, and it does seem that he has overpromised and underdelivered on several aspects of his product, so there are other people in the bitcoin space who are not very keen on some aspects of Jack Mallers.. .. while at the same time, he does hit on a lot of great bitcoin talking points when he is interviewed in various public media events. .and yeah, he remains pretty popular, but that does not mean that I idolize him.. but I am not completely negative about his motives either.. so you know the expression: "don't attribute to malice that which can be attributable to incompetence." So in that regard, I am not going to jump to conclusions about malice things have been happening at the behest of Mallers even if there could be various possible examples of his incompetencies in relation to aspects of the ways that the Chivo wallet as connected with his product was attempted to be rolled out.
..summary..
el salvadorians thought they were using BITCOIN in summer-winter of 2021.. so when the LN experiment failed. they blamed bitcoin..
Maybe Chivo wallet failed? I am not sure if LN has failed, because LN is still going.
yet reality was they never even touched the bitcoin network in that failed experiment. they just thought it was bitcoin due to advice given by mellor.. who was actually offering them LN, which was the failure
How do you know these things? There could also be some disenchantment about bitcoin due to price drops and/or bitcoin's volatility.. especialloy downward in 2022.
I am not going to claim to be as smart as you in terms of the supposed death of LN, and it seems that Chivo wallet may well still be going. It is just not the same as it was originally thought to be.
..last point
i mentioned the strike mess-up in el salvador multiple times in last couple years. you had time to DYOR.
Why would I have time to research? How do you know? I am not claiming to be any kind of El Salvador and/or lightning network expert. I am a participant in this forum with my own interests, and I don't need any fucking assignments from know-it-all patronizing dweebs like you.
yet today by kissing mellor ass and believing and salivating at his words without knowing what he is really saying, you are sounding more like a cult than a person wanting actual information
I doubt that is even a realistic conclusion about my own response to the Mallers video. I said that I watched it and I described what he said differently from you, and you seem to be so full of hate and wanting to be right all the time, that you might not be able to accept that lightning nework is still operating.. and Mallers seems to be involved with aspects of the lightning network. I don't follow him around, yet I still interpreted the short video clip differently from you, which seems a BIG so what.. I already made my response to point out where I thought that you were exaggerating a bit much in terms of what you said about Mallers's interview. and so I doubt that we need to even go further with the topic. Each of us made our responses, but yeah, I know you like to pursue matters into the absurd, and that's fine.. I suppose..It just seems a bit much how you can get so carried away with some of the conclusions that you made.. and there is no need for me to reiterate your conclusions.. Maybe that's your point, to just distract with the level of your apparent outrageous responses.
