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July 23, 2021, 02:43:07 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


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July 23, 2021, 03:32:06 PM
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I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.

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July 23, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
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It is out of the scope of what they offer. It is the people themselves who are inflicting harm toward others, and you can't expect a gambling platform to police such activities especially if it's outside their premises.

You can always seek law enforcement help should there be any cases involving you and others around you wherein physical harm is already inflicted, or the intention to harm anyone else is already there. CSR on gambling platforms are only enforced within their platform's premises, and once you step out of their place or hopped off of your PC/mobile after a gambling session, you are your own person and you control whatever actions you will do in the next moments and the gambling platform is no longer involved in whatever you will do.

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July 23, 2021, 04:22:20 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Your point sounded very similar to this one - should a stock exchange be responsible for the losses stock investors make? What are they doing to minimize the potential loss?

Just doesn't make sense! Gambling is a business. If a gambler can't control their addiction, it's the fault of the gambler itself. What about governments who are making billions of dollars of revenue from gambling taxes? What are the governments doing for the gamblers?

There's no straight forward answer to it! It's an ecosystem and everyone is a stakeholder to this ecosystem. Majority of the online casinos are registered in Curacao and I don't think Curacao license requires CSR activities. It's mostly applicable for land based casinos and also depends on the country of registration and operation. Whatever the case, a casino must not be help responsible for the addiction.

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July 23, 2021, 04:39:58 PM
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Take responsibility for your actions! You can't blame others every time something bad happens to you! Nothing can harm you except yourself!
If someone is not aware of what gambling is, and about the things that go wrong in gambling, it's not an excuse! Inform yourself better about the things you are planning to do! Simply, when playing with fire there's always a risk of burning yourself, and in case you get burned you can't blame the fire cause it's hot!

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July 23, 2021, 04:54:22 PM
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You should have in mind that this online casinos and gambling sites happen to be someone's investment and has such this investors came to make some profits from peoples carelessness. I might not really blame them that much if the don't take responsibility because some gamblers get engrossed in their selfish desires to acquire wealth overnight and ends up blowing off their resources and secondly how would this online casinos know when you have exceeded your budget since the don't know your income. Every gambler should try hard to adopt decipline.
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July 23, 2021, 05:02:42 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


I personally disagree, each person is responsible for their actions and if they cannot control them they are still responsible as they brought themselves to that point on their own, so this idea of passing the costs to someone else while on the surface is noble I disagree with it, it is like blaming bitcoin because a person lost their money to a scammer, are we sorry about it? Of course, is bitcoin responsible? Of course not, bitcoin is just a platform and the same is true for those casinos.

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July 23, 2021, 05:13:42 PM
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I think it's beyond his responsibility, actually you know the risks of playing gambling and if you know and that risk comes to you why do you keep doing it and you have to accept the consequences and you have to accept if it happens to you.
and there is no compulsion to do so and whatever happens beyond their responsibility if they become addicts, the source is only provided and depends on all who use it properly and correctly, gambling is just entertainment and beyond that their own fault cannot control themselves.

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July 23, 2021, 05:14:47 PM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies
but why? these are adults that are capable of thinking for themselves. why should other people be responsible for the mistakes they made? are they only targeting the gambling industry because the industry gets its revenue from gamblers(may be addicted or not) because it looks unethical?

also, @OP I suggest citing your source.

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July 23, 2021, 05:19:16 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



Well, there are many online casino companies that if they are committed to this cause, and with other causes that do not have to do with addiction, as well as the charitable works that are also things that stand out.

In addition, there is no law that forces platforms to comply with this, so those who make it in some way life will reward you with more bonanza for your platforms. An idea that occurs to me is that many platforms could meet and assign a percentage of their profits to offer help for those who are very committed to addiction, could be born from here in this thread. I have worked for some companies and incredibly companies that do charities or help the most in need come out rapidly from their crises quickly.

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July 23, 2021, 05:21:47 PM
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Even they're trying to responsible and helping a person who got a gambling problem.

The only problem someone who got a gambling problem always hides this fact they're to scare or even shame to share with other, and some of the situation while they're sharing this problem to closest person or other person curses them just because doing a gambling activity is a bad thing for them. The only problem for this one from my perspective, is sharing your problem gambling activity.

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July 23, 2021, 05:27:53 PM
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I would say no but the can help their customers manage how much the spend on gambling on either monthly or weekly base. But holding the companies accountable for an adults mismanagement of funds is a big no on my path. Before an individual would choose to gamble such should calculate his income and then decide on how much to risk not wasting resources and then seeking whom to blame
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July 23, 2021, 05:34:35 PM
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional?
I think it's easier for gambling companies that are setup IRL to perform their CSR against gambling addiction when they see their players occasionally were they can tell if their patrons is in their right mental state or stressed because of gambling unlike online were it's difficult to monitor every players gambling patterns to offer some counseling to help them.

My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

For starters there is an age limit for you to play on these platforms and If you are agree to their terms and conditions, you are pretty much saying you can make sound decisions which makes it your responsibility and not the gambling campanies.

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I see that many online casino companies do not carry out the CSR...

online gambling addicts do not only come from developed countries, many also come from developing countries that do not legalize gambling. In countries that do not legalize gambling, those who are addicted to gambling must pay for themselves to recover. some online gambling casinos say that they have done CSR by donating to charities but I think that alone is not enough.



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There's always a provided section for Responsible Gaming on every gambling platform, at most. But I doubt gamblers really read and understand those terms.

We shouldn't blame the gambling platforms for such irresponsible acts of their customers because of gambling activity. It's beyond their control. Being a responsible gambler should be worked and improved by us.

In such cases that a gambler is now out of control, a close person can help them. Not a direct responsibility of the gambling operators as no way, or impossible to monitor all of their client's activity.

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July 23, 2021, 06:41:59 PM
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I see that many online casino companies do not carry out the CSR...

online gambling addicts do not only come from developed countries, many also come from developing countries that do not legalize gambling. In countries that do not legalize gambling, those who are addicted to gambling must pay for themselves to recover. some online gambling casinos say that they have done CSR by donating to charities but I think that alone is not enough.
No matter what casinos do it's always not enough to stop most of their players addiction because like i've said there's way around these restrictions and I remember some casinos even have the gambling awareness logo on their site but there are people that still complain.

One of the worst things is that some gamblers even tried to freeroll casinos with the help of these solution and I guess that's why other casinos don't even bother offering solutions.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



I absolutely think that a global standard should be put in place that allows people to self exclude from any and all gambling sites for a selected period of time. You don't need to gamble in order to find entertainment so nobody will be adversely affected outside the gambling company shareholders taking home a slightly smaller profit share. Unfortunately this practice is often localized to a specific country and international sites allow people to get around such blocks. Gambling, like any addiction, can be a tough habit to shake and just like we support smokers who are trying to quit cigarettes - we should definitely be supporting people who's gambling addiction is out of control. Far too many people here seem to shame people who need external assistance when trying to break the habit, it's quite shocking really.

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July 23, 2021, 08:26:06 PM
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Anyone can gamble as long as they know the rules of the game and are willing to be responsible for what is caused by the gambling. The gambling site will not be responsible for anything related to the problem faced by the players that it agrees to when registering. That's why it's good to read the T&Cs and be a responsible gambler.

I would like to ask, is it possible for you to hold the site accountable when addiction and heavy losses are experienced by gamblers? I do not.

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July 23, 2021, 08:31:38 PM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I think those CSR on every online casino are used as references and applied the advice of the service for gamblers in order to reduce its addiction if at some extent people feel got addicted to gambling. After all every single person that comes to online casinos are adults who supposed to take responsibility for all of their own activities, it isn't necessary for online casinos to fully accompany the customers on taking rehabilitation.
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July 23, 2021, 08:47:53 PM
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Gambling seems to be painted as though it was a vice these days. Seriously, it's no more a bad sh*t like it is to drinking beer! I can almost categories them to be about the same thing.
Gambling and Gaking Beer is rated age sixteen and its advised to drink responsible as well as for you as a gambler to gamble responsible. Yet people get drunk and commit the actual vice without the brewery being crucified for it and so is expected of gambling platforms too. They are barely responsible for what a person does with his or her freewill after passing out informations on a responsible gambling.

Besides, even in the event that a gambler should put out a huge stake and he or she is being warned for it, the gambler is sure to have a mixed feeling if he or she is being warned due to a potential win and would still push on. Gamblers are entirely responsible for there actions!
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
^ Reading the TOS is considering that you are following correctly in the implementation of CSR policies because most of the gambling platforms they required to have that CSR policy to ensure their users are safe from any possible negative outcome. There are too many factors of components the CSR has and I think I will summarize some because it is too many to mention. Protection of vulnerable and underage gamblers is the main focus of CSR implementation and is followed by criminals and fraud activities.
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July 23, 2021, 09:37:00 PM
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I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.
They have got the responsibility, because it is a business where human minds are involved. It isn't something where we exchange goods for fiat/cryptocurrency. I agree on the support system that comes with self elimination and other features to restrict gamblers if they have a feeling of being addicted.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?

Of course not. Just a cheap PR move. You can't make your casino and try to minimize gambling addiction, because this things are contradictory. It's like to create a burger meat restaurant and start to fund vegan movement.

About responsibility: They're already pay their taxes (high taxes, sometimes like 80 % of the income) and i think this is enough big cross to bear for all evil things they bring to this world.  

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That should be the gambler's responsibility if they're being like that. At first, most casinos today are giving warnings about severe gambling and those reminders are enough for a gambler to be aware of what he does.
But as much as the casinos want, they don't want such to happen and they're always aware that such thing is happening for addicted gamblers.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.
They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.
Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
No, they shouldn't be responsible at all. People who gamble on those casinos are adults. They know what they are doing. They took the decision, they will face the consequences. Do you expect the casino to monitor all its player? That would be impossible. At best what they can do is guide users that are looking for help. They can forward them to an appropriate organization dealing with addicts and block access to their account.

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July 23, 2021, 10:17:43 PM
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something funny about it all is that they always say: " people over 18 are adults responsible for themselves " at least that's the law, so why would casinos be held responsible for eventually someone becoming addicted? if the person is 18 years old and is addicted to the person's guilt and not the casino, the casino does its part and provide a good gaming environment with proven fair rules, casinos are not to be addicted people's psychologues... I wonder how many people the casinos would have to hire if they had to deal with each addicted user

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July 23, 2021, 10:23:55 PM
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Those companies can’t really know your real situation especially if you gamble online, they can only know if you approach them and ask for assistance.

This is also why there’s a so called responsible gambler on many sites, they encourage the gamblers to become more responsible and if not, you can consult to that site and tell your problem. Casinos are not forcing anyone to gamble, that’s your own will but if something bad happen you can always come to them.
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


Minding about that thing is bullshit because these companies shouldnt really be blamed off totally if someone gets addicted nor  mess up their life because of addiction.
They are aware on the first place that this is gambling and addiction could really be  possible if you do engage on it and make it as your primary activity or even
trying to make it as a source of income. Gambling site owners or physical ones are highly aware  of this but it isnt their responsibility to sermon out people about 
on what are the things they should do.Although, i do see some sites does  have links given about gambling addiction consultation or something like that.
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How gambling companies should be responsible for addiction? Paying them? Or Make special services for addicts?  Huh
No, it is not the responsibility of gambling companies to handle addiction. It is an individual matter. Although the companies have warned you to prevent addiction, not all people can understand it and know how to control themselves well. The companies are impossible to monitor the habits of all gamblers every time, it is not their business. The gamblers must be responsible themselves to avoid addiction. Only the gamblers know how to deal with addiction because it is about their own habits.


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July 23, 2021, 11:14:37 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



If they don't regulate this certain concerns about the addicts from gambling, in my own opinion they're held liable for that responsibility. Losses from anonymous people who kept pouring their money for them without even getting rewards or any dividends. They must act for this certain situation, because the damage they caused is more harmful to anyone who's having families to feed.
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How gambling companies should be responsible for addiction? Paying them? Or Make special services for addicts?  Huh
No, it is not the responsibility of gambling companies to handle addiction. It is an individual matter. Although the companies have warned you to prevent addiction, not all people can understand it and know how to control their selves well. The companies are impossible to monitor the habits of all gamblers every time, it is not their business. The gamblers must be responsible themselves to avoid addiction. Only the gamblers know how to deal with addiction because it is about their own habits.


This is very true. No casino can track all their players and know their mental conditions towards gambling. What they can do is publish contacts of offices that can help gambling addiction aside from their usual warning about gambling addiction. I have never heard of a situation that someone sue a casino because he became addicted to their platform.
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July 23, 2021, 11:36:34 PM
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Anyone can gamble as long as they know the rules of the game and are willing to be responsible for what is caused by the gambling. The gambling site will not be responsible for anything related to the problem faced by the players that it agrees to when registering. That's why it's good to read the T&Cs and be a responsible gambler.

I would like to ask, is it possible for you to hold the site accountable when addiction and heavy losses are experienced by gamblers? I do not.

I haven't heard about such a case before and such cases might not hold well when presented anywhere even in a court. Because, as much as these gambling sites would put some setups like reminders, T&Cs, etc, about gambling sites and people still go ahead to go beyond their limit and eventually lose it all then it's their fact and has nothing to do with the gambling question in question. It's similar to what happens in trading. You've to take full responsibilities for your actions and not try to shift the blame. Casino sites might implement CSR but 95% of the efforts is expected from the users end.

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July 23, 2021, 11:46:15 PM
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In short, no, that’s not exactly what CSR is about. Think of it as a broader concept, and, therefore, consider that the actual gain for the society achieved through CSR programs is pretty hard to evaluate.

You’re talking about the company basically worrying about every other customer that gets addiction, but that kind of focus is impossible and the company really isn’t responsible for this kind of stuff, same as you can't make companies in the tobacco industry responsible for people getting lung cancer.

The concept can be more properly explained as a large and profitable company deciding that after receiving so much gain from society it has grown morally to give something back.

For instance, recently Mercedes had announced that since 2025 they will only be producing EV, which is good for the environment and, therefore, society.

Also, different fundraisers organized by renowned companies in order to financially support people struggling with certain diseases, poor people, etc. are the kind of thing that is done under the flag of CSR.
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there is no one to blame but the gambler himself, they provided a fun service but a gambler abuses it, just like alcohol, you can drink just a little bit or you
can drink to the point that you can't even walk straight, and it can make you do or say bad things to others, and probably physically harm yourself, and who's responsible for that ? the brand who made that beverage ? the liquor store owner ? the cashier ? no, it's the adult drunk guy who always tries to find a way to blame others and not take responsibility for his actions.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional?
They will say yes if you ask them but we'll never really know unless you personally know a gambling addict under their program.

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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
Should the tobacco companies be responsible for the harm their cigarettes have caused to the smoker and to those around him? You should also blame the authorities for allowing these companies to operate legally if you say yes to that question.

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July 24, 2021, 02:07:59 AM
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They never Beg for you to play in their site and they don't even try to force you betting in their games so why?

You mean businesses must be responsible for their costumers stupidity ?

They are even having AGE LIMIT before letting you play meaning this is for responsible people and if we become addicted then it is our mistakes and not from the operator.

Don't  make world complicated because if you don't wanna become addicted then you must not gamble in the first place.
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


I don't think so since engaging into any gambling activity is purely a unilateral act- they never forced anyone to gamble and the person bears all the responsibility of his losses.

From what I learned in by business degree, all the CSR made by businesses are nothing but words to make it appear that they care for their consumers. But in reality, all businesses have the end goal of profiting themselves. Even if they try to create a 'healthy gambling activity meter, etc.' at the end of the day that will definitely harm their business.

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If they don't regulate this certain concerns about the addicts from gambling, in my own opinion they're held liable for that responsibility. Losses from anonymous people who kept pouring their money for them without even getting rewards or any dividends. They must act for this certain situation, because the damage they caused is more harmful to anyone who's having families to feed.

Who told these people to gamble anyways? Are they forced by the gambling operators? On what part should they be liable? They have the respective terms for all their players regarding responsible gambling on which I doubt it will be taken note of.

If there's a thing called perks, benefits, dividends for any certain losses, it might end up in a much worst scenario since that will encourage people to gamble more. Even how good the initiative of CSR's, they can't control what's on the gambler's mind. They will gamble no matter what as the interest and temptation are always there.

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July 24, 2021, 04:25:33 AM
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I don't Know what is the purpose of this thread But obviously this has nothing to do with reality because Gamblers Do gambling in their own Discretion meaning it is their own Will to gamble so why would be the gambling owner and operator has to be Liable for their negative effect?

gamblers must suffer from their own negligence that's it.

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Maybe it is time that the world act as obligated in what the business might turn out for their costumers because Let says it is not their fault why the gamblers becomes addicted but it is their Offers why the gamblers turns on to it.

Maybe Casino Sites and Businesses Must Allot at least small funds for this effect in which will be used for their Players addiction process in time that they will ask for Help things that rarely to happen but for sure will come in time.

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Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.

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I don't think they should still be the one who is responsible for that. They shouldn't be the ones who will control gambling addiction but it's our responsibility as gamblers. We're responsible for every action that we take so we must learn how to control things especially if we know the consequences. We should know how to control ourselves in too much gambling so we'll never fall into addiction.
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July 24, 2021, 06:28:23 AM
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Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.

All the claims for this CSR are just for the papers. No one is going to blame or sue them after all it's going to be harder to take it to court knowing addicted gamblers will likely have no credibility.

What they could only do are just the likes of self-exclusion and popup advice which they could say is a way of preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. That's it. But traditional Casinos must be different I guess.


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July 24, 2021, 07:05:10 AM
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I don't think they should still be the one who is responsible for that. They shouldn't be the ones who will control gambling addiction but it's our responsibility as gamblers. We're responsible for every action that we take so we must learn how to control things especially if we know the consequences. We should know how to control ourselves in too much gambling so we'll never fall into addiction.
It's similar to asking if gambling companies be held responsible for gamblers who go as far as stealing to satisfy their hunger for gambling. Every one should be held accountable for their actions. If a gambler gets addicted he/she should self-exclude his/her self possibly get counselling. Gambling companies never forced anyone into gambling and as such shouldn't be held responsible in any way
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I don't think they should still be the one who is responsible for that. They shouldn't be the ones who will control gambling addiction but it's our responsibility as gamblers. We're responsible for every action that we take so we must learn how to control things especially if we know the consequences. We should know how to control ourselves in too much gambling so we'll never fall into addiction.
It's similar to asking if gambling companies be held responsible for gamblers who go as far as stealing to satisfy their hunger for gambling. Every one should be held accountable for their actions. If a gambler gets addicted he/she should self-exclude his/her self possibly get counselling. Gambling companies never forced anyone into gambling and as such shouldn't be held responsible in any way

Your Life your Decision thats it right?

So why when you become addicted you will Blame the company that only let you use to sustain your activities?

No they are not Liable for anything outcoming of our gambling addictions.
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I don't think so still they need to cope with this kind of problem at the first part the gambling companies release regulation and agreement to their organization and responsibilities of the player to read all of those terms but sure mostly some of the players does not read those sure even on us we don't read too much regarding with the terms of agreement and the FAQ. In terms of gambling, it's all about the responsibility of the player. If you are a focus earner mindset do you really care about the people who are giving money to your organization I guess not? If you are a responsible person having management and seeing that this person is already in debt for sure you will prohibit them for a while.

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July 24, 2021, 08:34:47 AM
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I don't think they should still be the one who is responsible for that. They shouldn't be the ones who will control gambling addiction but it's our responsibility as gamblers. We're responsible for every action that we take so we must learn how to control things especially if we know the consequences. We should know how to control ourselves in too much gambling so we'll never fall into addiction.
It's similar to asking if gambling companies be held responsible for gamblers who go as far as stealing to satisfy their hunger for gambling. Every one should be held accountable for their actions. If a gambler gets addicted he/she should self-exclude his/her self possibly get counselling. Gambling companies never forced anyone into gambling and as such shouldn't be held responsible in any way

Your Life your Decision thats it right?

So why when you become addicted you will Blame the company that only let you use to sustain your activities?

No they are not Liable for anything outcoming of our gambling addictions.
Our life is our responsibility and we can not blame the gambling company if something happens to us. When we decide to gamble, that will be our time monitoring and always taking care of ourselves. Otherwise, we can lose all of our money because we can not control our curiosity about gambling. Moreover, playing gambling is not a suggestible activity for people who have much free time. People should know that if they are playing gambling, online or offline, they need to manage the money and prevent the big loss because if they forgot to do that and the worst is they become addicted, that will be their own mistake.

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July 24, 2021, 08:36:31 AM
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It is not their problem if you become addicted because from the very beginning it is you that come to their site without force or misleading.

Meaning all of your action is based on your own decision and none to be blamed but you.

I don't think they should still be the one who is responsible for that. They shouldn't be the ones who will control gambling addiction but it's our responsibility as gamblers. We're responsible for every action that we take so we must learn how to control things especially if we know the consequences. We should know how to control ourselves in too much gambling so we'll never fall into addiction.
Yeah that is why there must be a limit on how much a gambler can spend in His activities for a certain time and that is what gambling site must declare.









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July 24, 2021, 10:14:08 AM
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I think that companies should definitely offer things like self-exclusion to their clients. And they also have a degree of responsibility for sure when it comes to enforcing these self-exclusion orders when they come from the clients themselves.

However, there is only so much that they can possibly do when it comes to these things.

You can't expect them to physically chase up people and ensure that they are not gambling. It just doesn't work.
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July 24, 2021, 10:43:16 AM
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Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.

Precisely, gambling establishments or online gambling sites is out of a control in the possible harm that a player may get especially if it is external issues they will only be sued if there are issues related to the services of the gambling companies. Also, the control of the player lies between his decisions and self control if the main concern of the harm related activities let say corresponds to committing a crime or being admitted as gambling addict. This issues can be controlled only by the players and note that this gambling establishments didn't force anyone to join though it is a pleasure for the gambling business to get many players engaged in their business activities.
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July 24, 2021, 10:46:33 AM
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Even if they are implementing and abide by the rules of social responsibility (CSR) practices they cannot control how gamblers behave when they are playing, gambling sites cannot stop or limit how much they deposit and how long they want to play, because they will just go to competitors, if they do that, they can only remind players but it's up to gamblers if they are going to follow it, gambling sites can only do much, it's up to us to set up our limitation and become a responsible gambler.


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July 24, 2021, 10:55:34 AM
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Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.

Precisely, gambling establishments or online gambling sites is out of a control in the possible harm that a player may get especially if it is external issues they will only be sued if there are issues related to the services of the gambling companies. Also, the control of the player lies between his decisions and self control if the main concern of the harm related activities let say corresponds to committing a crime or being admitted as gambling addict. This issues can be controlled only by the players and note that this gambling establishments didn't force anyone to join though it is a pleasure for the gambling business to get many players engaged in their business activities.

Casinos didn't force people to play they came on their own will so its not obligation for casino to take responsible to any harm to anyone since  the one  they offer is entertainment and its just there are gamblers abuse theirselves and sold all their assets or worst they stole money  just to  gamble. Self control is really  needed here that's why before going here we need to set some stop point and practice ourselves to not exceed on the amount we set so that we can live a better life entertained in gambling.

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July 24, 2021, 11:11:47 AM
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Even if they are implementing and abide by the rules of social responsibility (CSR) practices they cannot control how gamblers behave when they are playing, gambling sites cannot stop or limit how much they deposit and how long they want to play, because they will just go to competitors, if they do that, they can only remind players but it's up to gamblers if they are going to follow it, gambling sites can only do much, it's up to us to set up our limitation and become a responsible gambler.
^ I am thinking on what I bolded above, what if a gambling site sends to user notification saying that it is exceeded with the daily maximum deposit and exceeds 6-8 hours per day. I don't see or heard of a gambling site like this, if there is, that is a very impressive way of concern for possible harm. But the fact they don't care, as long as they earn money, that is fine for them even you have to log in 24 hours a day and deposit thousands of dollars per day. Nevertheless, all of these were depend on our self-control or how to control our temper.
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Precisely, gambling establishments or online gambling sites is out of a control in the possible harm that a player may get especially if it is external issues they will only be sued if there are issues related to the services of the gambling companies. Also, the control of the player lies between his decisions and self control if the main concern of the harm related activities let say corresponds to committing a crime or being admitted as gambling addict. This issues can be controlled only by the players and note that this gambling establishments didn't force anyone to join though it is a pleasure for the gambling business to get many players engaged in their business activities.
Casinos didn't force people to play they came on their own will so its not obligation for casino to take responsible to any harm to anyone since  the one  they offer is entertainment and its just there are gamblers abuse theirselves and sold all their assets or worst they stole money  just to  gamble. Self control is really  needed here that's why before going here we need to set some stop point and practice ourselves to not exceed on the amount we set so that we can live a better life entertained in gambling.

Before deciding to play online gambling, we will be directed to read the terms and conditions by all gambling sites. That means we have agreed
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July 24, 2021, 01:28:52 PM
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



I don't think so, if you will charge them for being responsible there will be no casino standing right now, a gambler has the warning sign when he agreed before he joins the campaign, we are not kids playing here, we are adults who should be responsible on all our activities, a gambler should play responsibly he owed it to himself and to his family to do that.
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July 24, 2021, 01:50:30 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


This is a rather difficult question, which I don't think can be answered with a clear "yes" or "no". As far as I know, the dangers of gambling must be pointed out and this is also implemented by the reputable online casinos and I think that's all you can ask of the casinos. What else should they do? Automatically log out the user as soon as he has gambled for more than 4 or 5 hours? I think everyone is ultimately responsible for being sensible and not slipping into an addiction, no matter what hobby they pursue.
I mean, food companies aggressively promote sweets, even though they are known to be harmful to people. So we should not demand more from casinos than from other companies.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



I don't think so, if you will charge them for being responsible there will be no casino standing right now, a gambler has the warning sign when he agreed before he joins the campaign, we are not kids playing here, we are adults who should be responsible on all our activities, a gambler should play responsibly he owed it to himself and to his family to do that.
No business would really pop out if there would be some complaints nor have some issues about for them about being responsible about users lives when they do gambling.

This is actually a self decision which it isnt just right that they would really took the blame since they are just doing business.Its for entertainment and of course with money but to think of that

this is really just for entertainment or leisure time.It is just that people cant just resist on to play more and become addicted.If you dont have that good self control then you would really
easily get hooked with this problem.

Wouldnt really be just right that they would really took the blame.

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Isn't there anyone forcing someone to come and gamble spending all their money and then in the end the site being just the service provider is blamed? just because they didn't take precautions to prevent the players' addiction?
Does CSR have to be responsible and take care of individual things that arise from the interests of players to this extent?

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  


That is why almost all outfit that is involved with exchange of money for service has a term and condition which a customer is required to read, understand and sign up on if they so desire to continue. Remember they are in for business.

Not only outfit that does with money but even companies, you have to read and accept the terms and condition before going further in registration. So for gambling, it is the responsibility of the gambler and there family  Grin to put a check on the addict.
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I don't think they are the one that has responsibility on that.

We are all aware that gambling could affect us negatively or positively before we even play, and gambling sites never forgot to warn us about it either. It is us who should be taken care of ourselves in everything we do, if we want to play gambling then we should be prepared to lose something. It's so immature to engage on something crucial when it comes to money yet if we lose we will put the blame on the other party.
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There are always limits that have been determined, so to apply to such problems, I still haven't heard of it from various gambling sites that I have visited. And even from their side they never guarantee, because gambling addiction is one of the company's desires as well, where income is increasing and the risk is clearly only borne by the players themselves.
The most that I often find is the saying "Happy playing and good luck".  Grin

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Gambling sites or casinos is played at your own risk, even nongamblers know this if you want to play and lose money or win money you should understand the mechanics, you don't win and go home and complaint when you lose, you have to be responsible on all your activities, the one responsible why you lose and why you are harmed is you alone because you decide to play.

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I don't think they are the one that has responsibility on that.

We are all aware that gambling could affect us negatively or positively before we even play, and gambling sites never forgot to warn us about it either. It is us who should be taken care of ourselves in everything we do, if we want to play gambling then we should be prepared to lose something. It's so immature to engage on something crucial when it comes to money yet if we lose we will put the blame on the other party.

Maybe if they have that concern for those people who unable to control and get addicted,

but like how OP describe it most of those gambling sites both online and offline are all after with the money of those patrons who keeps
on losing their money, they are not really engage with this kind of obligations what matter most are the money that will flow and how they'll going to keep those people to stay and always visit the site from time to time.
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Gambling seems to be painted as though it was a vice these days. Seriously, it's no more a bad sh*t like it is to drinking beer! I can almost categories them to be about the same thing.
Gambling and Gaking Beer is rated age sixteen and its advised to drink responsible as well as for you as a gambler to gamble responsible. Yet people get drunk and commit the actual vice without the brewery being crucified for it and so is expected of gambling platforms too. They are barely responsible for what a person does with his or her freewill after passing out informations on a responsible gambling.

Besides, even in the event that a gambler should put out a huge stake and he or she is being warned for it, the gambler is sure to have a mixed feeling if he or she is being warned due to a potential win and would still push on. Gamblers are entirely responsible for there actions!
Drinking beer without moderation is not good though and comparing the two is the same. If gambling or drinking is not controlled then it is a risk to your mental and physical health. I enjoy a beer or three but I think both beer and gambling should be advertising the risks of addiction a lot more kind of like how cigarette companies do.
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I don't think they are the one that has responsibility on that.

We are all aware that gambling could affect us negatively or positively before we even play, and gambling sites never forgot to warn us about it either. It is us who should be taken care of ourselves in everything we do, if we want to play gambling then we should be prepared to lose something. It's so immature to engage on something crucial when it comes to money yet if we lose we will put the blame on the other party.
I also agree with you on this point. Gambling sites never force us to play. A user plays knowing his own risk. If there are no complaints if he has made a profit, then why all the complaints will go to the gambling site if he loses?
Well, it's hard to provide complaints that could lead to all the liability on gambling companies when quite a few are unlicensed and complaint behavior only reflects that we are trying to break the law, the law will also attack us, they do not guarantee the rights of those who deliberately disregard what has been written. Even for licensed and accredited online companies, the joining process is very demanding in terms of age and responsibility, our complaints will also be canceled by these original rules, no need to waste time

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Yes. moreover, not all gamblers can be honest or aware that they are being addicted to the gamblers themselves.
Although I finally found some gambling sites that provide special services for those who are addicted, will it is effective? I don't think so, moreover if the gamblers themselves are not aware that they are addicted or even doing something bad because of gambling.
And isn't the more and most visited gambling sites used then they will be happier?

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gambling sites cannot stop or limit how much they deposit and how long they want to play

it reminds me that there was a time in my country when the government started to go after gambling they started to determine that gambling companies should limit how much money players could gamble, and now that I've read your post I'm starting to remember that they were talking about putting laws on it, I'll do more research on the subject to find out if my country's government has put in place laws to limit the amount that each person can play on gambling sites, but I remember that all people from my country did not like this attitude of the government, because it is a dictatorship for a government to say what its people should or should not do with their money that they work so hard to earn.

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Individuals are responsible for there actions just like telling a smoker that smokers are liable to die Young and then giving him a smoke. Everyone will be charged of their own actions whether it's intentionally or consciously. Online companies can not be held responsible for any misconduct from gamblers in the society because this is choice and everybody has the liberty to choose between what they want and what they don't.

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The online gambling companies should not be responsible for the gambler because they only accommodate people to have fun and enjoy by giving many gambling games to play. If those people can not manage their money and time in the gambling game, people can not blame the companies because of those people's decisions. But the online gambling companies can warn the gamblers about how much money they already used to gamble so the gamblers can stop playing gambling. And if the gambler does not follow the suggestion, that will be up to them and in that time, the online gambling games can not get the responsibility if the gamblers are losing much money.



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July 24, 2021, 04:58:10 PM
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To be honest I don't know any gambling that expends considerable efforts on consumer responsibility and awareness campaigns or any other kind of aid for addicts. After all, addicts are a source of revenue so it is kind of a conflict of interest. In an ideal world, casinos owners should be ethical persons, but we all know that they aren't.

Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs. They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.
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I also believe the online and offline gambling sites not to be responsible for the harms associated with their activities because the service they provide is not in a white and black form is something that's clear but it only a few gamblers that accept the major concept of gambling which is what's causing the harm related to gambling.

Yes, a lot of gambling companies have taken steps to minimize the harm caused by gambling but the problem is still the same, addicted gamblers are immature to accept the major concepts of gambling.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I am replying to this thread late. I have some experience about addiction as I was a gambling addict before. I have used my country's gambling site before, foreign one and crypto gambling sites too. My country's gambling sites do not have any protection for addicts, I remember I can send high amount of money daily to the gambling sites and nothing will happen if I lost it. I later used foreign gambling site, they have some protections which is not even helping, like selecting certain amount to be spending monthly which can not be changed often but you will have to wait for like a day before you will be able to increase it, but it can be increased to $5000, this still makes it not protective. I lost thousands into the gambling site. Crypto gambling sites are not also different. It is good for people to know that the responsibility rest on them not to be an addict because no betting company cares.

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The online gambling companies should not be responsible for the gambler because they only accommodate people to have fun and enjoy by giving many gambling games to play. If those people can not manage their money and time in the gambling game, people can not blame the companies because of those people's decisions. But the online gambling companies can warn the gamblers about how much money they already used to gamble so the gamblers can stop playing gambling. And if the gambler does not follow the suggestion, that will be up to them and in that time, the online gambling games can not get the responsibility if the gamblers are losing much money.
If they are responsible of addiction then these businesses wont exist on the first place and  since each government does have its own decision towards this business then not all would be sharing the same thoughts or views.

Some would ban it and some would accept it because they do mind of about the revenue that it could possibly give and rather focus on economic development than minding off about their citizens condition
about possible addiction.

You are the ones you should be responsible towards self and not would be blamed it of to those businesses or platforms out there.

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July 24, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I am replying to this thread late. I have some experience about addiction as I was a gambling addict before. I have used my country's gambling site before, foreign one and crypto gambling sites too. My country's gambling sites do not have any protection for addicts, I remember I can send high amount of money daily to the gambling sites and nothing will happen if I lost it. I later used foreign gambling site, they have some protections which is not even helping, like selecting certain amount to be spending monthly which can not be changed often but you will have to wait for like a day before you will be able to increase it, but it can be increased to $5000, this still makes it not protective. I lost thousands into the gambling site. Crypto gambling sites are not also different. It is good for people to know that the responsibility rest on them not to be an addict because no betting company cares.

Glad that you share your own personal experience and it only shows that the action should really come from the gambler himself and not from the casino or government. They can't control your gambling activities and they can only warn about the potential consequences of gambling addiction but that's it. They won't do anything to really prevent it. Inside the casino, whether offline or online, what they want is spend as much money as you can to their games. They won't stop you from playing. That's the truth. So if you do care of yourself, you need to start thinking of how to limit your gambling activities.
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
Well, perhaps no --even though they had a term of use to read but not all were given it there that purely has a concern to their users.
It is our responsibility for harm-related activities in such online casinos, we are the ones who put control ourselves and emotion in playing gambling and there should always be a limit in all activities had. There could be a short warning like a cigarette pack you will see there the warning to the people but they want to keeps using them. Gamble is just your own, at least this is the best practice for responsible gamblers.









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July 24, 2021, 10:36:07 PM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
Well, perhaps no --even though they had a term of use to read but not all were given it there that purely has a concern to their users.
It is our responsibility for harm-related activities in such online casinos, we are the ones who put control ourselves and emotion in playing gambling and there should always be a limit in all activities had. There could be a short warning like a cigarette pack you will see there the warning to the people but they want to keeps using them. Gamble is just your own, at least this is the best practice for responsible gamblers.

Online gambling companies are not responsible for what happens to gamblers, they only provide facilities for people to play gambling and
get entertainment. Gamblers need to be able to control themselves so as not to overplay, which can make them addicted. Because we decide
to play online gambling, we must already know the risks, so we can't blame online gambling companies if bad things happen to gamblers.
If we do not want to become addicted to gambling and do not want to lose a lot of money, there is no need to play gambling. Because from
the start, gamblers have indeed played online gambling, of their own volition and there is no coercion at all from online gambling companies.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
Where have you seen that severely gambling addicted people are showing severe mental and physical health disorders and social relationships, academic and work performance issues?  Huh Do you have some serious sources about that? Strangely we never see this kind of bashing against trading while it's basically the same thing.

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July 24, 2021, 11:55:48 PM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
Well, perhaps no --even though they had a term of use to read but not all were given it there that purely has a concern to their users.
It is our responsibility for harm-related activities in such online casinos, we are the ones who put control ourselves and emotion in playing gambling and there should always be a limit in all activities had. There could be a short warning like a cigarette pack you will see there the warning to the people but they want to keeps using them. Gamble is just your own, at least this is the best practice for responsible gamblers.
If gambling do create such problem then why others would be still existing like cigarettes' and alcohol.This do proves out that they do let these things to exist because it could really give out that benefit.
It is just on how people  do really control on engaging into these things.If they do let themselves spending too much or making it as a habit then you do know on what would be the consquences.
Addiction is on anything that you do involved in severe manner and we know that it would really be ending up on a disaster for an individual.
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

But not to the point that they can handle everyone's problem in gambling. If you see someone getting crazy especially around you, try reaching out to their family and suggest seeking help from a gambling rehabilitation service if you are concerned.

It's been already written in the book that a gambler must be responsible at all times even how hard to resist gambling. It's a practice that can't be done in just a short period of time.
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Free will is important despite the potential repercussions of it.  My state just allowed legalized gambling and every commercial or advertisement has to come with a warning, just like cigarettes do.  However if you want to smoke yourself to death or blow all of your money, then that should be your right.  Sure there will always be innocent bystanders but to try and prevent free will is just often very wrong.  So with free will can come repercussions but the companies that provide the service aren't forcing anyone to use them.  It's your choice and if you can't handle it then don't start or get help..but don't blame the hand that you loved feeding you until you went beyond your means. 

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



So far I have not read a gambler suing online gambling sites because he loss huge money from betting because of this so-called CSR a gambling site is a gambling site, they can only remind you and encourage you to become a responsible bettor but all your action on betting as long as you are not cheating and within their rules, they cannot interfere, it's on you to discipline yourself.

The fee on filing case and sue the casino operator is very expensive and nearly impossible to win unless you reside on the country which your operator registered/operating. Imagine spending million dollars for lawyers and filling fee to sue a company that has no declared physical location and no known owner. It will be more convenient to move on and recover loss through job salary compared to chasing them like a wind.

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Free will is important despite the potential repercussions of it.  My state just allowed legalized gambling and every commercial or advertisement has to come with a warning, just like cigarettes do.  However if you want to smoke yourself to death or blow all of your money, then that should be your right.  Sure there will always be innocent bystanders but to try and prevent free will is just often very wrong.  So with free will can come repercussions but the companies that provide the service aren't forcing anyone to use them.  It's your choice and if you can't handle it then don't start or get help..but don't blame the hand that you loved feeding you until you went beyond your means. 

I generally agree with what you say. But I also think it is good that public authorities take measures to reduce damages, not only with advertising, but also by forcing companies to offer self-exclusion tools and other measures.

But, yes, we cannot end up in a paternalistic state that forces to compensate those who drink a bottle of whiskey and go into an alcoholic coma or those who destroy their lives with gambling, as long as there have not been abusive practices.

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July 25, 2021, 05:06:48 AM
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Well that was a pretty stupid idea ngl. It's like asking the manager at the time to be responsible when their bank was robbed. It's outside of their responsibility. They did their best, it's the customer's turn now. Gambling isn't a one-sided relationship with the casino, it's both sides that need to make an effort to make it a healthy community. Casinos have done their job by employing the business itself, plus following rules and regulations set by the state, they offered us entertainment facilities in exchange for our money.

The concept of harmful activities due to gambling doesn't seem to be in that scope now, does it? Because being "harmful" in general doesn't only stem from gambling, nor does it stem from anywhere else. It stems from the person themselves, so why blame others when you're the one at fault? That's a pretty narrow view imo.

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July 25, 2021, 06:08:37 AM
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Online gambling companies are not responsible for what happens to gamblers, they only provide facilities for people to play gambling and
get entertainment. Gamblers need to be able to control themselves so as not to overplay, which can make them addicted. Because we decide
to play online gambling, we must already know the risks, so we can't blame online gambling companies if bad things happen to gamblers.
If we do not want to become addicted to gambling and do not want to lose a lot of money, there is no need to play gambling. Because from
the start, gamblers have indeed played online gambling, of their own volition and there is no coercion at all from online gambling companies.
Yes, like I have first commented that neither the government not the gambling companies are responsible for anything, only the gamblers will face the consequences of losses, nothing will the government give while the gambling companies do not have safety measures for gamblers, even if they have safety measures, that is not even 10% adequate for helping gambling addicts and other gamblers that gamble often because it is even getting easier to deposit money into gambling companies account to be used to bet.

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July 25, 2021, 06:24:47 AM
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Online gambling companies are not responsible for what happens to gamblers, they only provide facilities for people to play gambling and
get entertainment. Gamblers need to be able to control themselves so as not to overplay, which can make them addicted. Because we decide
to play online gambling, we must already know the risks, so we can't blame online gambling companies if bad things happen to gamblers.
If we do not want to become addicted to gambling and do not want to lose a lot of money, there is no need to play gambling. Because from
the start, gamblers have indeed played online gambling, of their own volition and there is no coercion at all from online gambling companies.
Yes, like I have first commented that neither the government not the gambling companies are responsible for anything, only the gamblers will face the consequences of losses, nothing will the government give while the gambling companies do not have safety measures for gamblers, even if they have safety measures, that is not even 10% adequate for helping gambling addicts and other gamblers that gamble often because it is even getting easier to deposit money into gambling companies account to be used to bet.

yeah right even they've got something to remind those gamblers the control among themselves, still relies from how they take care of their bankroll and how they manage their emotions while playing the game.

Just like how the government reminds people when taking the cigarette, gambling also reminds participants to be responsible with their money.

Nothing happens without  consent of the person who are doing the actions.

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July 25, 2021, 06:27:47 AM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



They can only do that if the government where they operated impose them to do that, but this is unfair to the gambling site or casinos, it's like letting gamblers take home their winnings and charge them or fine them if gamblers lose a huge amount of money, no gambling operators can sustain their operation if gamblers are charging and fine them for this so-called corporate social responsibility (CSR), it's the gambler's responsibility on how we will play, and should not be imposed on the casino operators.

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July 25, 2021, 06:29:43 AM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
They will not be held accountable since they're not forcing the players to gamble and its out of their hands.

The gambler itself is the one responsible if he decided to engage himself in gambling. If you dont play with moderation then its your fault for not knowing the consequences if you let yourself play without control.

We always have an option to do the right thing. If you dont want to experience a worse situation by playing gambling then better not to gamble anymore.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



I am not aware of that corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices, all I know is a gambling site should be reputable and responsible on how they treat their players by giving them update about their policy and addressing all the issues their players are encountering but not on how they play and how they bet, if they want to bet thousands of dollars and he is ok with it, why they will forbid him to bet with that amount or the gamblers is losing a lot, this is something that they are out of control.

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July 25, 2021, 06:51:01 AM
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Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.
That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.
They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.
Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



Giving its users a continuous warning related addiction would be enough. The rest is up to the users themselves. Btw, there are many other activities out there that can lead to addiction not just gambling. And as I can understand, many governments already forbid its citizens to do gambling and if they keep doing so they might get caught. There will be double risks for people who came from such countries, got addicted and have to deal with authorities. Those two risk should be enough to halt people to gamble any further.
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July 25, 2021, 08:10:41 AM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


While i support your opinion here mate because i have some friends and family members that become addicted in gambling yet i think it is not a problem of Business owner if what is the result of their costumers .
because they are selling Legal business and it depends on the person if how he will deal on it.so basically it is their mistake and not from the site or even in Live casinos.
yeah we can blame them for the result but we cannot force them to comply on what we are fighting here.
just be careful for what we do and never let our self become addicted that is the best action we must have.









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July 25, 2021, 08:18:41 AM
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Are there actual gambling platforms that falls out of business? Maybe becuase of surplus winnings, taxation, not enough patronage from the public and lots of other reasons. Are there any of such betting platforms?
If yes, how could that be justified in this regard? Because, its certainly going to have some effects on the CEO and the staff! In one instance, they've run out of there investment funds and again, there source of livelihood. So, who is to hold on this, the customers with surplus wins or what?

For sure, nothing would be done because, everything was done within a fair play system and willingly too. Why should it be any different when the odds are in favour of the gambling platforms or casino halls! Well, this is the very reason why you don't see this happening, 'your responsible for the actions of your freewill '. Be responsible in your gambling and save the world around you the stress of worrying.
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If large companies was held responsible for their activities and the products they provide... then companies like Coca~Cola and McDonald's would have been bankrupt. Also, big pharmaceutical companies would have to close their doors, because these companies pump several toxic drugs onto the markets and they bribe doctors to hide the adverse reactions to these drugs. ( http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/pfizer_fined_$60m_for_bribing_doctors_to_win_business_417954 )

The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.

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July 25, 2021, 11:08:47 AM
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The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.

Correct and agree. No one to blame here but the people themselves if they turned out to be irresponsible gamblers.

It's like the effect of other sin activities. If there's a case that gambling operators will take serious handling of their users having a big problem regarding their gambling activity even they aren't directly responsible for why these people turned out bad, then that's a good initiative but not necessary.

We gamble by our own will so we should face the consequences of it whatever the outcome.
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



I am not a supporter of this approach.  Nowadays, the opinion is very popular that people require guardianship from the state and large companies. 

People are actually equated with unintelligent children who cannot be held responsible for their actions.  It is assumed that humans are inherently stupid and childish. 

However, it is not.  In my opinion, this approach is not correct.  People themselves must be responsible for the consequences of their own actions.  This also applies to the situation with gambling. 

People have intelligence and logical thinking.  It's time to learn how to use these tools.

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July 25, 2021, 11:49:29 AM
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The casinos offer responsible gaming and you as a individual must make the decision to STOP gambling, if you are becoming addicted to it.... they provide self exclusion and some even provide assistance if you show signs of addiction.
Correct and agree. No one to blame here but the people themselves if they turned out to be irresponsible gamblers.

It's like the effect of other sin activities. If there's a case that gambling operators will take serious handling of their users having a big problem regarding their gambling activity even they aren't directly responsible for why these people turned out bad, then that's a good initiative but not necessary.

We gamble by our own will so we should face the consequences of it whatever the outcome.

Gambling companies were built to be able to generate profits for their owners, not to provide entertainment for free. Therefore, gambling companies
do not need to be responsible to gamblers who have problems with their gambling activities. Because from the beginning the gambler played
gambling there was no coercion from anyone, so gamblers should learn to be responsible for the gambling activities they do on their own accord.
Don't blame the gambling company, if the gambler becomes addicted. Therefore, before deciding to play gambling, they must know the consequences
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July 25, 2021, 01:50:50 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I am not a supporter of this approach.  Nowadays, the opinion is very popular that people require guardianship from the state and large companies. 

People are actually equated with unintelligent children who cannot be held responsible for their actions.  It is assumed that humans are inherently stupid and childish. 

However, it is not.  In my opinion, this approach is not correct.  People themselves must be responsible for the consequences of their own actions.  This also applies to the situation with gambling. 

People have intelligence and logical thinking.  It's time to learn how to use these tools.
Yes, people themselves must be responsible for what they do and they can not blame the companies because of losing their money when playing gambling games. Besides that, I doubt that the companies will be responsible for the losing gambler because they think they already give the gambler a warning before entering the site. When someone decides to play gambling, the risk will be behind them and they should realize that the losing money will always be there. Or maybe the companies will give compensation to the losing gambler by giving some money to them but I doubt that.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


Obviously yes, but is it not the addiction is the heart for their business? The more one gambles / plays online on their sites, they get the revenue. And yes they must have a control of CSR policies, however is it not that one who plays is responsible for his / her addiction besides the online companies. Number of players are the fundamental needs for a online gamble and yes, its the players responsibility to have a control on himself / herself not alone any companies. They players should remind himself of his ability now and then.

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July 25, 2021, 07:20:25 PM
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Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.
That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.
They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.
Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

In the end, the house will always win. because addicts will be very cared for by them, because using gambling addicts they can manage mentally so that they continue to feel dissatisfied with their wins.
it is very difficult to force a warning against the impact
Moreover, gamblers don't think until they decide to stop halfway. it will be very weak for some gamblers to stop in a place where they have once had a win and then move to another gambling house. All have their own charm, and still, we will again lose and the house will be the sole winner.

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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


Obviously yes, but is it not the addiction is the heart for their business? The more one gambles / plays online on their sites, they get the revenue. And yes they must have a control of CSR policies, however is it not that one who plays is responsible for his / her addiction besides the online companies. Number of players are the fundamental needs for a online gamble and yes, its the players responsibility to have a control on himself / herself not alone any companies. They players should remind himself of his ability now and then.
I agree since not every gambling platforms are successful that's they needed those potential players and yes, it is the customer's responsibility to control their selves for not falling ill into addiction. I believe this CSR is most functional only on traditional casino and not really that effective in an online gambling sites.

So I think we have to propose something here if Op want this to happen in online gambling like a notification or pop-up message that someone is playing too much and is quite losing. Would this be helpful or annoying to them? Besides, online gambling really need a lot of players and if these players come together, do they have the time police each one of them?

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July 25, 2021, 08:56:31 PM
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Displaying a label that you should "bet responsibly" is similar to the much more explicit warnings on cigarette packs.
That word of reminder should already be enough for a person to be reminded about the possible addiction that it can make them as they gamble.
They have no effect on addicts as far as I noticed besides making them more anxious that produces more smoking.
Yeah, but the casino has done their part to remind each of their gamblers to bet responsibly.

In the end, the house will always win. because addicts will be very cared for by them, because using gambling addicts they can manage mentally so that they continue to feel dissatisfied with their wins.
it is very difficult to force a warning against the impact
Moreover, gamblers don't think until they decide to stop halfway. it will be very weak for some gamblers to stop in a place where they have once had a win and then move to another gambling house. All have their own charm, and still, we will again lose and the house will be the sole winner.
Addiction is something that really puts this business to be profitable and its really an advantage imho but they are really aware on what are the things that they could give out into its users
this is why some sites does have that consolation links or even reminders about on how addicting gambling is.It is really just on peoples self control on how they do gamble out.
Its just right for them to took the blame?No they should not because this is a personal problem or persona choice.You had let yourself get addicted and this is something a  gambling place 
or site hadnt really any control of.So the one to be blamed is yourself.
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July 26, 2021, 12:36:17 PM
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Nope they aren't.

First of all, they aren't forcing people to gamble but the people themselves are getting attracted into it thus they are trying to gamble.
Second, these harm related activities that the gamblers are doing are out of scope of what they company or the casino is offering for them. They are just offering entertainment and possible money and not healthcare services.

All of these harm related activities are the results of the gambler spending too much money on gambling. If the gambler only knows how to control his spending and being responsible into gambling then it will not come to a point where he will do activities that can cause harm to him or the other people.
I have said this about the addiction thing as well. People write an email to casinos telling them that they should be banned because they are an addict, and casinos oblige and ban them. Why? I mean it is the perfect customer for a casino, an addicted man losing everything they have to a casino is something casinos should want not something they should avoid because in the end this is a business.

I have talked about how there are many bad companies, look at beer and whiskey and all those companies, they are killing people, look at cigarette companies they are killing people, basically there are business' around killing people, hell there are ones that build warplanes and airstrike drones that literally kill people directly, and I would understand if it was for defence but some nations use it 8000 miles away from their nations just because they paid for it and want to use it. So long story short casinos are not responsible for ANYTHING gamblers do, it is not their responsibility to make them live a better life.

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July 26, 2021, 12:51:13 PM
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Nope they are  not ,

First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.

Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .

Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?

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If the gambling operator is responsible for the addicted gamblers  ?then surely they are all closed by now because government will run towards them about the effect of gambling and the addicted has someone to blame then .

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If the gambling operator is responsible for the addicted gamblers  ?then surely they are all closed by now because government will run towards them about the effect of gambling and the addicted has someone to blame then .
Exactly, it's just like cigarette companies and manufacturers, they might give you graphic warnings but they will never intervene with you because you are their money maker and that's the limit of what they can do or so they say. Same with gambling, if people are addicted, that's not on the manager to stop them to care for the well being of their clients.

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July 26, 2021, 02:03:09 PM
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Nope they are  not ,

First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.

Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .

Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?
my view is different from yours, they never invite us directly to play gambling on their site but they make an attraction to make us play on their gambling site
it is a behind-the-scenes obligation that must be fulfilled by gambling site owners who have made a lot of money from the gambling business

Even companies engaged in other fields are required to carry out CSR as a form of concern
I firmly say that online gambling companies should do CSR

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



For me these are not effective.In fact these companies only apply the politics and practices imposed by the government in where they abide at least juridically.They don't care much if a person has lost his house in their casino by gambling it all there.I don't know any sponsorship these casinos have made for example to foundations like "Gamblers anonymous" which is well known for treating gambling addiction.They have failed until now at this,their practices do not help anyone.There is room for more to be done.

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July 26, 2021, 02:29:37 PM
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Nope they are  not ,
First - they never force nor bait you to play in their site instead you choose them for your own good.
Maybe they never force us but theres a gambling company that lure or bait gamblers . it can be done when they promote

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Second - You are responsible in your decision , you even know how important Money is yet you gamble .
we are on our right mind but we can't stop even if we know that what we're doing is not right when in the middle of addiction .

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Third - Even Government not forcing the gambling company to be responsible why would we?
There are certain gambling companies that are closed down by government aside from illegal because they think it can influence people  .
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No, they are not, and they should not.

one you gamble, that means you understand the risk and what you bet is what you can afford to lose.
if you look at the reality in gambling which is most gamblers lose money, you should know how to manage the risk and that is gambling with limit.

The problem only exists to gamblers if they don't know the risk and they get careless as that would result to irresponsible gambling and we know what would happen to an irresponsible gambler.

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July 26, 2021, 04:14:24 PM
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my view is different from yours, they never invite us directly to play gambling on their site
Who do you think you are? Why casinos should send a private invitation to you? Did you gamble with over tens of thousand dollars each session? Even if they invite you for doing a partnership or in order to play on their casino, you have the right to refuse it and they wouldn't force you at all.

but they make an attraction to make us play on their gambling site
That's the purpose of marketing, not just limited to casinos but other services also did it to attract people to use them. Without marketing, a business couldn't sustain itself for long and have to close sooner than expected.

it is a behind-the-scenes obligation that must be fulfilled by gambling site owners who have made a lot of money from the gambling business
In case they didn't make lots of profits then they don't have to fulfill the CSR job? Roll Eyes
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July 26, 2021, 05:38:51 PM
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It is strange if the gambling company has to be responsible for the actions of gamblers outside its territory. If it is still within the scope of the owner's business and is still in the environment, then it may involve gambling companies. Some countries have legalized gambling, it is also a source of tax, therefore the owners of gambling companies must be able to cooperate with the government. But of course not all because I think online casino fraudsters also exist, so they can't be traced. In addition, I also heard that online casinos also do KYC for security purposes.
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Gambling sites or casinos is played at your own risk, even nongamblers know this if you want to play and lose money or win money you should understand the mechanics, you don't win and go home and complaint when you lose, you have to be responsible on all your activities, the one responsible why you lose and why you are harmed is you alone because you decide to play.

Well, you come and you go too. The casino does not call nor is it pushy. ready to be tempted because of seduction which has become the job of the casino, the rest depends on who reads the sheet of gambling rules. There is no risk borne by the Casino. gamble on your own interests and interests, your own money, and lose on your own. Nothing to do with Casino. because gambling casinos only serve and are not responsible for the losses you get.

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July 27, 2021, 01:55:03 PM
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Gambling sites or casinos is played at your own risk, even nongamblers know this if you want to play and lose money or win money you should understand the mechanics, you don't win and go home and complaint when you lose, you have to be responsible on all your activities, the one responsible why you lose and why you are harmed is you alone because you decide to play.

Well, you come and you go too. The casino does not call nor is it pushy. ready to be tempted because of seduction which has become the job of the casino, the rest depends on who reads the sheet of gambling rules. There is no risk borne by the Casino. gamble on your own interests and interests, your own money, and lose on your own. Nothing to do with Casino. because gambling casinos only serve and are not responsible for the losses you get.
So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.



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July 27, 2021, 02:15:26 PM
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If it's their staff that caused harm or it's an accident in their premise, I think that they have to be responsible but if it's the clients that have started the ruckus, then it's natural that the business isn't responsible. It's a matter of who did what first in my opinion except for accidents.

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In addition, I also heard that online casinos also do KYC for security purposes.
Gradually indeed the KYC process will soon be implemented on casino platforms that already have a legal license because this has become a rule on their part that has allowed gambling to be legalized, but this is still a pro and con some don't want this to happen because they want the casino crypto remains anonymous and what can be done is all on the side of the team that does this and only some casinos have implemented KYC, like Roobet and maybe others will follow suit in the future.

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July 27, 2021, 03:41:00 PM
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If it's their staff that caused harm or it's an accident in their premise, I think that they have to be responsible but if it's the clients that have started the ruckus, then it's natural that the business isn't responsible. It's a matter of who did what first in my opinion except for accidents.
I think I can agree with this one, I feel like the one who did it first is the one responsible, it's efficient because you easily know who's to blame and shoulder the responsibility. Also in regards to online gambling, the client side should exercise the most caution because they should know by now that anyone can steal from you online.
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.









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No, they are not, and they should not.

one you gamble, that means you understand the risk and what you bet is what you can afford to lose.
if you look at the reality in gambling which is most gamblers lose money, you should know how to manage the risk and that is gambling with limit.

The problem only exists to gamblers if they don't know the risk and they get careless as that would result to irresponsible gambling and we know what would happen to an irresponsible gambler.
And most of the time that happened to those gamblers who don't have good control with their emotions, the problem begins once the gamblers start to engaged more of their time inside the gambling house. Such addiction is more on the gamblers side, the attitude and emotions that keeps him coming back to play the game. the kind of urgency that really hard to control / resist.

Needs to always be responsible with every actions that you'll going to take. It would be very helpful to prevent getting addicted in anyhow.

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So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

Does it mean that controlling the time will be very useful? because that way we can have limits in gambling. At least make a reminder of how long we have to gamble in a day or how long we have spent money based on a predetermined time.
I haven't heard of any such method for any gambling. Because, usually when we gamble, we don't really care about the time that has been passed, the most important thing is to catch up and get it back until it finally consumes all the remaining funds.

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So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

Does it mean that controlling the time will be very useful? because that way we can have limits in gambling. At least make a reminder of how long we have to gamble in a day or how long we have spent money based on a predetermined time.
I haven't heard of any such method for any gambling. Because, usually when we gamble, we don't really care about the time that has been passed, the most important thing is to catch up and get it back until it finally consumes all the remaining funds.
This is why gambling physical places doesnt have a watch because it would really just make out their players on not to be aware with the time and would play even more without minding on what time
it is and also forgetting the money you do have and most likely you would really be wasting or losing it all in the end of the day.I dont see the point on why gambling companies are the ones who would
took the blame for harmful effects of gambling into its users.This is clearly been showing that this is a personal choice and decisions that they do play into a point that they are already risking out big
money until they do get addicted.I dont see the responsibility for these casinos to mind off for its players on not to get addicted.

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July 27, 2021, 08:02:35 PM
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.
There is no way an online casino can be held responsible for a person choice of action. People are different and weird, and you can't expect gamblers to be that rational.

It would be an impossible task if not an unnecessary burden to have these gambling platforms keep their customers in check, at the end of the day, all they care about is their business and not the state of mind the other person on the other side of the screen feels.
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July 27, 2021, 08:06:57 PM
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There is no way an online casino can be held responsible for a person choice of action. People are different and weird, and you can't expect gamblers to be that rational.
I reckon.

But people who cannot accept their lose will look for a way to blame the casino for the "harm" that the casino they get in which in the first place, they are the ones who freely and willingly choose to gamble.

It would be an impossible task if not an unnecessary burden to have these gambling platforms keep their customers in check, at the end of the day, all they care about is their business and not the state of mind the other person on the other side of the screen feels.
Yup, it's all about business and good for those casinos that are giving that treatment to their players but not all of them are giving that care.

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July 27, 2021, 08:13:30 PM
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CSR must be carried out by big companies that get permission from the government, earn big profits and have a negative impact on the public.  We know that online gambling companies have quite a lot of causes of gambling addiction, so they should be obliged to do CSR.  but it all depends on the policies of the government in their respective countries, if they turn a blind eye to this obligation then the community will lose.

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July 27, 2021, 08:27:48 PM
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.
There is no way an online casino can be held responsible for a person choice of action. People are different and weird, and you can't expect gamblers to be that rational.

It would be an impossible task if not an unnecessary burden to have these gambling platforms keep their customers in check, at the end of the day, all they care about is their business and not the state of mind the other person on the other side of the screen feels.
They wouldnt care at all and they would really be just minding of about on how to make profits out of those  addicted  gamblers.They do know that they cant really be sue out because

this is indeed a personal choice on where you do act accordingly into your own will neither you do spend more or less with the gambling activity you've been engaging.

Self will is something that cant be controlled and its totally not impossible on monitoring every users that do gamble in your platform or your place as a business owner.
So i wouldnt stress out myself for that one.

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July 27, 2021, 09:15:26 PM
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


Obviously yes, but is it not the addiction is the heart for their business? The more one gambles / plays online on their sites, they get the revenue. And yes they must have a control of CSR policies, however is it not that one who plays is responsible for his / her addiction besides the online companies. Number of players are the fundamental needs for a online gamble and yes, its the players responsibility to have a control on himself / herself not alone any companies. They players should remind himself of his ability now and then.
Not really, take a look at the alcohol industry, they still earn a fortune all over the world and they do not really need people addicted to it as there are a great deal of social drinkers and if anything we could make the argument those people that get addicted to it play against their interests as people reduce their alcohol intake even if they are in complete control of their actions simply out of fear this happens to them, gambling is the same, they do not really need those that are addicted to it and in fact they give to casinos a bad reputation which they cannot shake off even now.

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July 28, 2021, 10:47:34 AM
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So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

Does it mean that controlling the time will be very useful? because that way we can have limits in gambling. At least make a reminder of how long we have to gamble in a day or how long we have spent money based on a predetermined time.
I haven't heard of any such method for any gambling. Because, usually when we gamble, we don't really care about the time that has been passed, the most important thing is to catch up and get it back until it finally consumes all the remaining funds.
Yes, controlling the time will be very useful for you to stop gambling as soon as possible, especially if you have almost run out of your money. That will remind you that playing gambling does no need for a long time and if you think that you already have fun with the games, you should stop and leave the gambling site before you lose control of yourself.

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.



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July 28, 2021, 11:07:00 AM
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.
There is no way an online casino can be held responsible for a person choice of action. People are different and weird, and you can't expect gamblers to be that rational.

It would be an impossible task if not an unnecessary burden to have these gambling platforms keep their customers in check, at the end of the day, all they care about is their business and not the state of mind the other person on the other side of the screen feels.
They wouldnt care at all and they would really be just minding of about on how to make profits out of those  addicted  gamblers.They do know that they cant really be sue out because

this is indeed a personal choice on where you do act accordingly into your own will neither you do spend more or less with the gambling activity you've been engaging.

Self will is something that cant be controlled and its totally not impossible on monitoring every users that do gamble in your platform or your place as a business owner.
So i wouldnt stress out myself for that one.

This all really matters on personal choice that's why we cannot chase back if something happen  to the gambler since they are just building a business to gain profits and its not their problem if something bad happen to their costumer since this  is not written on their Tos about this kind of situation.

I  agree  that its not impossible to control ourself  since we can get out if we really have an urge or self control  to quit. And also its our choice to became addicted  so there's no obligation came from companies who solely offer entertainment here.

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July 28, 2021, 11:30:14 AM
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Yes they should be responsible, that's not something to ask because they have to customers have consumer rights and they have to comply with those if they want to stay in business. But there's limitations to that because there are cheaters that get in those sites to cause harm so to a certain degree they can enforce their own rules to remove that malicious person out of their business.
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July 28, 2021, 11:45:23 AM
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I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.

They already clean their hands out when they let you read their agreement when you registered on their site. Since most of the time, things like this are meant to happen, they already make their way out of it. so they won't be blamed if it would happen to you in the future. so the answer is no, they won't take any responsibility after you agreed with their terms.

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July 28, 2021, 11:54:18 AM
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I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.

They already clean their hands out when they let you read their agreement when you registered on their site. Since most of the time, things like this are meant to happen, they already make their way out of it. so they won't be blamed if it would happen to you in the future. so the answer is no, they won't take any responsibility after you agreed with their terms.
Well the  topic seems to be asking at least generosity and humanity from gambling site to at least put some funds helping those addicted gambler find their way back to normal life.
we know that this is not their responsibilities but at least be Human enough to help people.
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July 28, 2021, 11:57:22 AM
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.

Exactly.

That's the point. Gambling is just a business, nothing personal. Their point of existence is just to make money alone, no one is required to play mandatory, we have our own choices, and addiction on it is inevitable since it's part of gambling negative effects to people, and we all know that. The only sad part of it is people ignore the fact that they could addicted if they lack of self-control, therefore others put the blame to other parties.
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July 28, 2021, 12:09:25 PM
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If a gambling site does not violate any rules, norms and pays taxes, then it is not obliged to treat people with gambling addiction. This should be done by the state, which has licensed gambling activities on its territory and collects taxes from gambling sites.

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July 28, 2021, 01:19:13 PM
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In addition, I also heard that online casinos also do KYC for security purposes.
Gradually indeed the KYC process will soon be implemented on casino platforms that already have a legal license because this has become a rule on their part that has allowed gambling to be legalized, but this is still a pro and con some don't want this to happen because they want the casino crypto remains anonymous and what can be done is all on the side of the team that does this and only some casinos have implemented KYC, like Roobet and maybe others will follow suit in the future.

There are still casinos out there who aren't asking for KYC, or maybe they do it sporadically or only in cases where they detected suspicious activities. I don't know if they have to provide data to authorities about their clients, but it seems to not be the case sometimes as KYC would be the only way for them to precisely identify their players and the data authorities might be asking for.

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July 28, 2021, 01:37:37 PM
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?


Is there any knife manufacturer responsible for the harm-related activities? Or should they be? There are types of people who use the knife to cut the bread and there are others who use it for murder. The same applies to gambling, there are two types of people: 1. Those who get the fun and excitement from gambling and 2 - Those who want to become rich from it and the whole opposite happens - they are getting nervous, addicted and ruin their lives.

While personally I think that it's not their duty to be responsible for this because they are just the service provider and their stated goal for you is to get fun, there are still a lot of companies and especially popular ones like Betsson who run the gambling harm reduction campaigns and in my country, they were spending their own money for rehabs and were fully financing the treatments for gambling addicts.


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July 28, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
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OP, from the many answers I read above, I agree that gambling companies should not be held responsible for what happen to gamblers. If you know that gambling is a risky activity, then of course they should also be held accountable for the gambling they do.

In a country where gambling is legal maybe the government imposes a limit on the budget that gamblers use every month, I've read a few time about this before on the forum. But the point is, every gambler really should have some responsibility for his or her gambling because it is not just about money but there are many other effect they might receive once it's all gone.

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July 28, 2021, 03:22:21 PM
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So that means, before we gamble, we should be ready with whatever will happen in gambling to prepare ourselves not to feel sad when we lose. If we can win the games, that will be fine but do not try to play for more because we never know if we can still win in the next game or lose our money and win money. The casino only gives you pleasure in playing so many gambling games and the rest will be up to you and you will need responsibility to take care of yourself.

Does it mean that controlling the time will be very useful? because that way we can have limits in gambling. At least make a reminder of how long we have to gamble in a day or how long we have spent money based on a predetermined time.
I haven't heard of any such method for any gambling. Because, usually when we gamble, we don't really care about the time that has been passed, the most important thing is to catch up and get it back until it finally consumes all the remaining funds.

Since 2017, I have been playing at FreeBitco.In, and on other platforms, and my learning has been based on the essay and error, and I discovered that the longer I was playing, the chances of losing were greater, of course, I used Many patterns that made me lose.
But now I have determined that it is better to last a long time playing the slot machines and making very small bets, I always use the slots to dismiss me and for fun, of course the money I have on the slot is very little and controlled and willing to lose.

But I think the tragamonedasy in poker tournaments, the longer they play the probability of winning increase.

I do not know if you have the same perception regarding that kind of games.

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July 28, 2021, 03:57:28 PM
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Addiction is something that really puts this business to be profitable and its really an advantage imho but they are really aware on what are the things that they could give out into its users
this is why some sites does have that consolation links or even reminders about on how addicting gambling is.It is really just on peoples self control on how they do gamble out.
Its just right for them to took the blame?No they should not because this is a personal problem or persona choice.You had let yourself get addicted and this is something a  gambling place 
or site hadnt really any control of.So the one to be blamed is yourself.

drink beer until you forget your way home, from that statement we know Kasion provides everything so that you still feel comfortable there. If you want to go right away, they offer Entertainment. Either way, you won't be allowed to leave before all the balance you have is at stake.
Although the addict admits to what he is doing is a wrong choice, but still lust can not be defeated by the mind that has escaped by the curiosity that continues to control your mental. Nothing can stop you, because if you have 10 reasons to quit, then the Casino has 1000 of ways to keep you going.

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July 28, 2021, 05:33:01 PM
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I don't think that it is their responsibilities at all would the fast food chains or food industry be responsible for any harm related to over eating?
It is all under our control so why blame the companies when it was all due to your action(or their action) they didn't force you to do it.

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July 28, 2021, 06:00:23 PM
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Addiction is something that really puts this business to be profitable and its really an advantage imho but they are really aware on what are the things that they could give out into its users
this is why some sites does have that consolation links or even reminders about on how addicting gambling is.It is really just on peoples self control on how they do gamble out.
Its just right for them to took the blame?No they should not because this is a personal problem or persona choice.You had let yourself get addicted and this is something a  gambling place 
or site hadnt really any control of.So the one to be blamed is yourself.

drink beer until you forget your way home, from that statement we know Kasion provides everything so that you still feel comfortable there. If you want to go right away, they offer Entertainment. Either way, you won't be allowed to leave before all the balance you have is at stake.
Although the addict admits to what he is doing is a wrong choice, but still lust can not be defeated by the mind that has escaped by the curiosity that continues to control your mental. Nothing can stop you, because if you have 10 reasons to quit, then the Casino has 1000 of ways to keep you going.

What a nice comparison  Roll Eyes, but yeah if you have those reasons to quit lingering inside your mind are those more reason for you to keep playing and keep coming back,

Once you get addicted there's nothing you can do but seek help with your love ones and try harder to help yourself to recover back.

the desires and lust that keep you attached with gambling is needed to breakout, keep yourself busy with other things as even the
gambling site ban you, chances that you'll just keep creating new account still there.

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July 28, 2021, 06:29:55 PM
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This is why gambling physical places doesnt have a watch because it would really just make out their players on not to be aware with the time and would play even more without minding on what time
it is and also forgetting the money you do have and most likely you would really be wasting or losing it all in the end of the day.I dont see the point on why gambling companies are the ones who would
took the blame for harmful effects of gambling into its users.This is clearly been showing that this is a personal choice and decisions that they do play into a point that they are already risking out big
money until they do get addicted.I dont see the responsibility for these casinos to mind off for its players on not to get addicted.

A true gambler will not blame the casino for what he gets the impact, whether it is an internal or external impact. Because he knows what risks he will face. One thing that gamblers need to know, especially those who are still in the stage of being hit by gambling, is if you are not ready for the risks and impacts of gambling addiction, it would be better not to try to start.

Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.


Since 2017, I have been playing at FreeBitco.In, and on other platforms, and my learning has been based on the essay and error, and I discovered that the longer I was playing, the chances of losing were greater, of course, I used Many patterns that made me lose.
But now I have determined that it is better to last a long time playing the slot machines and making very small bets, I always use the slots to dismiss me and for fun, of course the money I have on the slot is very little and controlled and willing to lose.

But I think the tragamonedasy in poker tournaments, the longer they play the probability of winning increase.

I do not know if you have the same perception regarding that kind of games.


What you have experienced, I have felt when playing slots made me willing to pay for what I spent once or twice placing a bet with the smallest amount.

Well, even though what you get is worth what's at stake. However, slots often make us comfortable if the more we often place the probability of winning and losing is almost 50:50.

As for poker, I've honestly never tried it, even though it's been a long time gambling. The reason is that I do not have sufficient knowledge of the game. let alone playing poker digitally, in fact I have never tried it. Honestly, just playing Slots because it is the easiest way to play gambling.

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July 28, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
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I don't think that it is their responsibilities at all would the fast food chains or food industry be responsible for any harm related to over eating?
It is all under our control so why blame the companies when it was all due to your action(or their action) they didn't force you to do it.
Nice logical thinking. It's the same as the gamblers and the casino relationship. The casinos will remain whether there are addicted gamblers or there's no more. But they are there to stay to give people entertainment and also what they want, money.
The harmful effects of gambling have been known for ages but those people that are experiencing it should be the ones to be stopping so that no harm will be made into their lives by gambling since they're the ones that hold the money and gamble.

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July 28, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
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I don't think they should be responsible because just like with any other addictions you can't put the blame on the source knowing they're not forcing their customers to consume the product. But gambling sites are trying their best to come up with a few solutions as long as their players are willing to admit their addiction. The main issue with online gambling addiction is that most gambling sites only have limited solutions since they can only put restrictions within the site. It could affect the gambler in some way but it all comes down on how he'll react or control his addiction knowing that he can always open another account on a different site.
This is just like a situation on where cigarette complanies should be blamed of for peoples addiction in smoking?

This is just like a situation on where gaming companies should be blamed for people addiction in games neither on computer or other similar things?
Its just nonsense kind of act where they should really be blamed of because this is actually a personal choice and decision and if they do make
themselves get addicted then its their fault.

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July 28, 2021, 08:31:21 PM
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I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.
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July 28, 2021, 08:46:17 PM
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I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.
Correct. Every gambler must agree with terms and conditions before signing up in a casino platform. He accepts taking the risks and the responsabilities for every of his actions inside the platform. The rules are clear as are the risks, so the casino really doesn't have any responsability for any harm that might affect the gambler. After all it's the gambler who is harming himself, not the casino.
The problem is that nowadays there is a clear tendency in blaming activities and inanimate objects (in the case of guns restrictions) instead of blaming the individuals, that are the real guilty in every cases.

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July 29, 2021, 11:43:19 AM
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Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.
You should try to see how effective that method is so you can limit your time and, of course, your money. I am sure no one will want to see their loss in big money in gambling, so you must prevent it by yourself. I guess the method is not bad but that will depend on how you can follow the instruction. If you succeed using that method, you will not have to worry about becoming addicted because you can handle yourself when you play gambling.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.



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July 29, 2021, 12:01:34 PM
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I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.

and do you really believe that gambling operators will let this happen? they rather spend millions of dollars paying the government officials for this not to be allowed because if does then this is their lifetime burden.
as addicted gamblers are doubling time and time again.
best that we must learn our position and our limitations.









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July 29, 2021, 12:18:13 PM
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I dont think so because it is part of the gambling business and there must have been a TOS that was read before gambling. and on average it is clearly stated that gambling with personal responsibility. because it is a personal matter and should not blame anyone but the one who did . in every country has a different tought , culture and rules with this.
Correct. Every gambler must agree with terms and conditions before signing up in a casino platform. He accepts taking the risks and the responsabilities for every of his actions inside the platform. The rules are clear as are the risks, so the casino really doesn't have any responsability for any harm that might affect the gambler. After all it's the gambler who is harming himself, not the casino.
The problem is that nowadays there is a clear tendency in blaming activities and inanimate objects (in the case of guns restrictions) instead of blaming the individuals, that are the real guilty in every cases.

Therefore it is very important before deciding to play gambling, we first read the terms and conditions, so we know the rules of the gambling platform
that we will use. Because if something happens that we don't want on the gambling site, we have to bear it at our own risk. Because the gambling site is
not responsible for what happens if a loss occurs when playing gambling, therefore always control ourselves when playing gambling. Don't blame
the gambling site if we lose a lot of money when playing gambling, try to introspect ourselves first before blaming others. Sometimes we enjoy
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July 29, 2021, 03:17:14 PM
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Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.

Well, controlling yourself first is a good start to start gambling. Because the condition of a calm feeling will determine our dexterity when playing. I'm going to time it, and need a few lists that I need to detail before getting started. Without a single thing I forgot in it.

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July 29, 2021, 04:27:12 PM
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I think it all comes back to the players, because what must be guided further is that they are the players or gamblers themselves and not about accountability to the gambling company. Gambling companies simply provide a notification or a reminder when the gambler has lost a few dollars, but instead of a reminder of a loss, is there also a reminder of a big win? So that I think has to be an equality or balance as well and therefore, it all comes back to the gambler or the player himself about the awareness of the time to stop.

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July 30, 2021, 11:22:53 AM
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Maybe you haven't heard that method because that is not written in the book (I guess), but you can try it if you think it can help you limit your gambling time. If you do not care how long you spend your time playing gambling, you will see how long you can survive in the gambling games.

If so, I will really try how effective the method is, if it works then I will be very happy to share my experience here. However, with a note that there are no bad methods, all methods are good depending on the application and suitability for each individual.

But before you do that, I hope you can control yourself because once you play gambling and find that exciting, you can forget about what you want to set. So always remember with your own rule to prevent the worst thing.

Well, controlling yourself first is a good start to start gambling. Because the condition of a calm feeling will determine our dexterity when playing. I'm going to time it, and need a few lists that I need to detail before getting started. Without a single thing I forgot in it.
But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.



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July 30, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
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If a gambling site does not violate any rules, norms and pays taxes, then it is not obliged to treat people with gambling addiction. This should be done by the state, which has licensed gambling activities on its territory and collects taxes from gambling sites.

Bottom line, gambling operators shouldn't be responsible for the aftermath of a gambler whether they end up in good or worst. It's our responsibility to act properly everytime we lose. Losing too much does really affect the mental health that might lead us into thinking crazy about how to recover those losses.

This should be done by the state, which has licensed gambling activities on its territory and collects taxes from gambling sites.

Actually, there are lots. However, a person that already falls into the trap of gambling will stay away as possible from those institutions.

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July 30, 2021, 03:00:11 PM
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But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.

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July 30, 2021, 05:59:28 PM
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Bottom line, gambling operators shouldn't be responsible for the aftermath of a gambler whether they end up in good or worst. It's our responsibility to act properly everytime we lose. Losing too much does really affect the mental health that might lead us into thinking crazy about how to recover those losses.



yes indeed! after that huge losses, instead of quitting crazy things comes up and new sets of ideas got circulated inside your brain.

Trying to recover and keep losing your money, every action that being take place while into this activities are in the hands of the gambler itself. And again yes, it's not the operators but you as gambler should take full responsibilities of your actions.

You have to deal with your actions very carefully before it cause you something that you'll going to regret forever.

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July 30, 2021, 06:47:33 PM
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yes indeed! after that huge losses, instead of quitting crazy things comes up and new sets of ideas got circulated inside your brain.

That's a fact. That is also where the problem starts. Either this person will continue to gamble or will seek revenge for their losses.

I salute those people that able to control themselves and successfully beat the desire of doing gambling after a painful loss. It's not totally a solution to quit gambling but rather next time they do it, try to play the game just at their limit even how hard it is.
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OP, from the many answers I read above, I agree that gambling companies should not be held responsible for what happen to gamblers. If you know that gambling is a risky activity, then of course they should also be held accountable for the gambling they do.

In a country where gambling is legal maybe the government imposes a limit on the budget that gamblers use every month, I've read a few time about this before on the forum. But the point is, every gambler really should have some responsibility for his or her gambling because it is not just about money but there are many other effect they might receive once it's all gone.

They might only be able to impose such a limit in physical casinos, but if someone is addicted to gambling that person will easily circumvent any barriers just by playing online. You can set up several accounts with the same provider if you use VPN and hardly anything can stop you from wasting a shit ton of money on gambling, whether there is a limit set by the government or not. They can't control let alone enforce those limits.

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July 31, 2021, 11:35:31 AM
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But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.
Yes, managing time will be a good idea to do if you want to play gambling or other activities because that can help you know how long you already do something and you need to move to the other things after you finish something. You can break the barrier by managing your time in gambling to prevent the addiction while you can enjoy playing gambling. I am sure the temptations will always be there because we all have that experience and still control that before we ruin ourselves.



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July 31, 2021, 01:43:49 PM
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But the fact is new gamblers will not realize that and make them feel enjoy and have fun inside the game. That makes them can not stop and forget about controlling themselves. That is why we see many gamblers lose their money in gambling but they still do not realize what is happening to them. It is better to set a time for how long we gambled so when the time is reached, we must stop as soon as possible before everything is gone. It seems you have good control over yourself so you can stop right time.

More precisely, what I do by managing time is to reduce the addiction that has been a barrier for me in carrying out various outside activities. Therefore, since the time setting was made as much as possible other tasks were ready for me to do. To minimize continuous gambling.
So far it's been going pretty well and not too much time spent all day just scrolling through the Slot buttons. Although some temptations still crossed.
Yes, managing time will be a good idea to do if you want to play gambling or other activities because that can help you know how long you already do something and you need to move to the other things after you finish something. You can break the barrier by managing your time in gambling to prevent the addiction while you can enjoy playing gambling. I am sure the temptations will always be there because we all have that experience and still control that before we ruin ourselves.

A new obstacle was found, and I'm sure you must have experienced it, well I set the time in such a way, but the time limit has not run out, I lost first. So I made another deposit and making two deposits was a mistake. After the allotted time has not expired I lost again. What do you think I should do if that's the case? because I feel so unfair, cases like this cost me more than usual.

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July 31, 2021, 07:30:00 PM
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Its just there for sake but no gambling site is going to restrict people from playing in there unless they are cheating or involved with verbal abuse with someone or else they will be allowed to play as long as the user is willing to bet. In my opinion the users are responsible for their gambling activities because no gambling site is forcing is to keep gambling means we are doing it at our own risk.

Exactly.

That's the point. Gambling is just a business, nothing personal. Their point of existence is just to make money alone, no one is required to play mandatory, we have our own choices, and addiction on it is inevitable since it's part of gambling negative effects to people, and we all know that. The only sad part of it is people ignore the fact that they could addicted if they lack of self-control, therefore others put the blame to other parties.
I agree, for a long time I have been tired of people that want all kind of rights to be given but they do not want to accept the responsibilities that come with those rights, if people want the freedom to do almost whatever they want then they need to accept the responsibilities that come with it, casinos should not be held responsible for the losses that their clients incur, if someone doesn't want to lose money while the gamble then there is a very easy solution, do not gamble, but if you want to do it then you need to accept that you are taking a risk and that if you do not control it then you're going to pay the price.

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July 31, 2021, 10:08:02 PM
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I agree, for a long time I have been tired of people that want all kind of rights to be given but they do not want to accept the responsibilities that come with those rights, if people want the freedom to do almost whatever they want then they need to accept the responsibilities that come with it, casinos should not be held responsible for the losses that their clients incur, if someone doesn't want to lose money while the gamble then there is a very easy solution, do not gamble, but if you want to do it then you need to accept that you are taking a risk and that if you do not control it then you're going to pay the price.

We as a person demand for a rights that we think we deserve but we should bear in mind too that every rights we demand we also to take a responsibility for ourselves and for the establishments especially gambling establishments or institution that we are opt to in. There are are limitations for the demand of our rights and if we were going to look for something to blame on in our losses due to our reckless decisions then the establishments has nothing to do with it.
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I agree, for a long time I have been tired of people that want all kind of rights to be given but they do not want to accept the responsibilities that come with those rights, if people want the freedom to do almost whatever they want then they need to accept the responsibilities that come with it, casinos should not be held responsible for the losses that their clients incur, if someone doesn't want to lose money while the gamble then there is a very easy solution, do not gamble, but if you want to do it then you need to accept that you are taking a risk and that if you do not control it then you're going to pay the price.

We as a person demand for a rights that we think we deserve but we should bear in mind too that every rights we demand we also to take a responsibility for ourselves and for the establishments especially gambling establishments or institution that we are opt to in. There are are limitations for the demand of our rights and if we were going to look for something to blame on in our losses due to our reckless decisions then the establishments has nothing to do with it.
That’s alright to ask for some help but we have no right to demand for them to help us because in the first place, we choose to gamble at our own risk and the casinos are not responsible for the next action that you’ll take. Addiction is a broad concern for many, casinos can’t control it but they offer a help through their organizations that focuses more on addict gambler. We have to play based on capacity, don’t force yourself beyond the limit.
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July 31, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
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Yes and No. Before playing any games we need to understand
that walking into their premises or using their online platforms you agree to their terms and conditions meaning you are agreeing to have  a sound mind to make the correct decisions as an adult. But not to put so much pressure on the gambling company...both player and gambling company have the responsibility to minimize harm that gambling can cause.

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That’s alright to ask for some help but we have no right to demand for them to help us because in the first place, we choose to gamble at our own risk and the casinos are not responsible for the next action that you’ll take. Addiction is a broad concern for many, casinos can’t control it but they offer a help through their organizations that focuses more on addict gambler. We have to play based on capacity, don’t force yourself beyond the limit.

Gamblers will just say that it is ok to gamble because they will just charge the casinos and ask for compensation, that's their alibi why there's nothing wrong with gambling, we should be responsible for all our actions especially on gambling where you spend time and money and will cost addiction, let's be responsible on what we do with our time and money.
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August 01, 2021, 10:28:03 AM
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Gamblers will just say that it is ok to gamble because they will just charge the casinos and ask for compensation, that's their alibi why there's nothing wrong with gambling, we should be responsible for all our actions especially on gambling where you spend time and money and will cost addiction, let's be responsible on what we do with our time and money.
Yes, I think I have posted like this on this thread before last week, this is true. Are the governments care? Government do not care about gamblers, that is part of the reason gambling is only meant for 18 years and above. Are the betting companies care? Even if they are saying they care about customers, that is a damned lie because they don't, betting companies only wish gamblers to play more so they can lose more, what betting companies care about is the progress of their companies and nothing more.

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August 01, 2021, 10:35:12 AM
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Gamblers will just say that it is ok to gamble because they will just charge the casinos and ask for compensation, that's their alibi why there's nothing wrong with gambling, we should be responsible for all our actions especially on gambling where you spend time and money and will cost addiction, let's be responsible on what we do with our time and money.
Yes, I think I have posted like this on this thread before last week, this is true. Are the governments care? Government do not care about gamblers, that is part of the reason gambling is only meant for 18 years and above. Are the betting companies care? Even if they are saying they care about customers, that is a damned lie because they don't, betting companies only wish gamblers to play more so they can lose more, what betting companies care about is the progress of their companies and nothing more.
wrong mate, never generalized the government because if your country is corrupt and stupid in regards the gamblers rights there are still government in some part that they are concern and wanted to put reason to help gamblers not to become addicted or heal from being addict.
and also once the government act in behalf of the gamblers then the casino will no choice to follow what is required for them.
though this is a rare occasion lol.

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wrong mate, never generalized the government because if your country is corrupt and stupid in regards the gamblers rights there are still government in some part that they are concern and wanted to put reason to help gamblers not to become addicted or heal from being addict.
and also once the government act in behalf of the gamblers then the casino will no choice to follow what is required for them.
though this is a rare occasion lol.
I think you are the one that is wrong here, can you make examples of the governments that regulated gambling in betting company's customers favor. Let me show one example for you, I believe you know bet365.com, even the UK government wanted to regulate gambling, the betting site also comply to the rules, but have you used the site before? They have many articles that can help gamblers, there are even some spending limit you can set in a way it will not change over 24 hours in case of loss and against immediate gambling after the loss by making transaction from bank to your gambling account impossible for certain period of time. But I have used the site before, I lost over $25000 in just less than a month, how is that helping.

If truly they want to help, there should be rules like:

1. People not working should not gamble with more than certain amount which should be very low, people not working are more prone to gamble more and lose.

2. Government should make it in a way people can not gamble more than 2% to 5% of their monthly income

But is not like that, nobody cares, you only think they care but they do not. What the government are care more about is anti money laundering and means to counter terrorism.

I have gambled many times before and I a still gambling, I was once an addict, it is clear to me that neither the government not the betting companies cares, you can only care about this yourself and learn ways not to be addicted and betting with what you can afford to lose.

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August 01, 2021, 11:55:26 AM
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Yes and No. Before playing any games we need to understand
that walking into their premises or using their online platforms you agree to their terms and conditions meaning you are agreeing to have  a sound mind to make the correct decisions as an adult.
The casino doesn't have any liability, as long as they've already made a rule that their players must gamble responsibly then they are not accountable for any action and the equal result of their gamblers.
But not to put so much pressure on the gambling company...both player and gambling company have the responsibility to minimize harm that gambling can cause.
It is duly on the side of the gambler that has to minimize if gambling seems to be harmful to him already.

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August 01, 2021, 02:16:58 PM
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Yes and No. Before playing any games we need to understand
that walking into their premises or using their online platforms you agree to their terms and conditions meaning you are agreeing to have  a sound mind to make the correct decisions as an adult. But not to put so much pressure on the gambling company...both player and gambling company have the responsibility to minimize harm that gambling can cause.
For the first time, they understand their terms and conditions and agree with them. But then, when they lose, they blame the casino and do not think that they are making a mistake so they complain to the casino and ask for a refund. We do not know what is happening but in that case, the responsibility will come from the gambler because they have the money, they know that gambling has a risk, and they can lose their money anytime. So unless the casino cheats them, it will be difficult to blame the casino because of the gambler's mistake.

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August 01, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
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If truly they want to help, there should be rules like:
But doesn't that personal conflict with the freedom of a person's rights if they were to impose such rules? By that logic, then heck, the government should bloody ban liquor and cigarettes for people of ages below and above xx but no, it's only below (since they're minor but fr, there are still minor people who get to smoke ngl), same with alcoholic beverages. There's also a lot more stuff possible, like usage of the internet, websites accessed, etc, but they don't do it because it's a human right to access such stuff, the government has no legal right to actually stop you from doing so.

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August 01, 2021, 04:51:31 PM
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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.
There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.

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August 01, 2021, 05:18:43 PM
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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.
There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.
The casino has a responsibility when there is a complaint from your account then the support is ready to help until it recovers, if outside of that then it is not the responsibility of the casino but it is only outside the player how to play the casino regularly or not.
I think a gambler knows the meaning of being responsible, so it is still within us that we must be prepared to take any risks, including defeat or addiction.

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August 01, 2021, 06:09:33 PM
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If truly they want to help, there should be rules like:
But doesn't that personal conflict with the freedom of a person's rights if they were to impose such rules? By that logic, then heck, the government should bloody ban liquor and cigarettes for people of ages below and above xx but no, it's only below (since they're minor but fr, there are still minor people who get to smoke ngl), same with alcoholic beverages. There's also a lot more stuff possible, like usage of the internet, websites accessed, etc, but they don't do it because it's a human right to access such stuff, the government has no legal right to actually stop you from doing so.
I did not want to mention that before because it will make people not to have freedom, government should not be too strict like that, but just want to clear rodskee that he is not totally right, we should know that nobody cares, if the government want to care that way, people will say the government are making people not to have freedom, but we should know that it is we ourselves that should care for ourselves, that is why only 18+ are the people that are allowed to gamble by law, children can not gamble, we should fight all means that can let us be an addict because nobody cares, neither the government, the betting companies do not care but like people to gamble more.

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August 01, 2021, 06:41:14 PM
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That’s alright to ask for some help but we have no right to demand for them to help us because in the first place, we choose to gamble at our own risk and the casinos are not responsible for the next action that you’ll take. Addiction is a broad concern for many, casinos can’t control it but they offer a help through their organizations that focuses more on addict gambler. We have to play based on capacity, don’t force yourself beyond the limit.
We are the one who control ourselves when we gamble thus its in our hands if we're going be affected negatively because of our actions and the outcome. Blaming others for our own mistake is not right because no one force us to gamble, and it is your problem if you cant control yourself and cant deal with losses accordingly. So simply dont play if you cant handle the consequences.

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August 01, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.
There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.
The casino has a responsibility when there is a complaint from your account then the support is ready to help until it recovers, if outside of that then it is not the responsibility of the casino but it is only outside the player how to play the casino regularly or not.
I think a gambler knows the meaning of being responsible, so it is still within us that we must be prepared to take any risks, including defeat or addiction.
The thing that we talk about is when the gambler becomes addicted and he just keeps on losing money. It's for sure that the casino will help with each of the complaints that have been sent to them. But if it's a different thing such as it's a behavioral problem of the gambler and he's the one that harms himself. The casino is outside of that scope already and it's the gambler's responsibility for every action that he does. Unfortunately, not all gamblers know how to become responsible.

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So simply dont play if you cant handle the consequences.

Honestly, these people already know and are aware of the consequences and risks once they gamble.

But the thing is, they disregard it because they want to take chances. Everyone wants to win, who else wouldn't like that. And the next thing that will happen is now a part of history.

Some people are lucky, some people are not. In that case, gambling companies shouldn't be blamed for whatever they ended up.

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August 02, 2021, 03:45:17 AM
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So simply dont play if you cant handle the consequences.

Honestly, these people already know and are aware of the consequences and risks once they gamble.

But the thing is, they disregard it because they want to take chances. Everyone wants to win, who else wouldn't like that. And the next thing that will happen is now a part of history.

Some people are lucky, some people are not. In that case, gambling companies shouldn't be blamed for whatever they ended up.
The gambling tempts them to come and try to play some gambling games and their ear just hears a sound that tells it is no problem if they just play for some rounds. It keeps them playing the game and using money and does not realize the chance does not come to them.

Although they know the consequences and the risk, they think they can handle it, which is why they keep trying to win the games. But for a gambler who knows that their chance to win is not coming, they will stop at the right time and not chase the winning. They will try it in the next days but if the result is the same, they will stop for a while and try other things. When people know that their loss is not related to the gambling companies, they will not blame the companies because that will be their mistake.

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August 02, 2021, 04:01:21 AM
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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.

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August 02, 2021, 06:31:34 AM
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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.
There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.
The casino has a responsibility when there is a complaint from your account then the support is ready to help until it recovers, if outside of that then it is not the responsibility of the casino but it is only outside the player how to play the casino regularly or not.
I think a gambler knows the meaning of being responsible, so it is still within us that we must be prepared to take any risks, including defeat or addiction.
The thing that we talk about is when the gambler becomes addicted and he just keeps on losing money. It's for sure that the casino will help with each of the complaints that have been sent to them. But if it's a different thing such as it's a behavioral problem of the gambler and he's the one that harms himself. The casino is outside of that scope already and it's the gambler's responsibility for every action that he does. Unfortunately, not all gamblers know how to become responsible.

I havent yet to see anyone or a casino assist those who are addicted to gambling because of the games, but in our country, those owners are required to give a percentage of their income to the people, which includes those who are addicted as well as those who are hospitalized and do not have enough money to pay the bill. I believe casinos are advising their players about addictions, similar to how cigarettes and alcoholic beverages have warning labels, and we all know it is still our fault, not theirs, so we should exercise self-control.
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August 02, 2021, 07:16:28 AM
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So simply dont play if you cant handle the consequences.

Honestly, these people already know and are aware of the consequences and risks once they gamble.

But the thing is, they disregard it because they want to take chances. Everyone wants to win, who else wouldn't like that. And the next thing that will happen is now a part of history.

Some people are lucky, some people are not. In that case, gambling companies shouldn't be blamed for whatever they ended up.
and also they can't resist the lust of winning because they have experienced once to win big so they keep on seeking how to win those back and I'm sure many addicted gamblers can relate on this part when they earn addiction over desires.

Just gamble if you have self control and if not then never enter gambling.









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August 02, 2021, 07:40:34 AM
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I don't think these gambling companies will accept responsibility for those who have spent a lot of time and become addicted to gambling because it's their personal choice and because they lack self-control. If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation. Being greedy is a sin; you have a choice from the start and are still dragged by the temptation to win that huge pot; this is not the fault of the companies; it is yours.
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August 02, 2021, 09:47:38 AM
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The thing that we talk about is when the gambler becomes addicted and he just keeps on losing money. It's for sure that the casino will help with each of the complaints that have been sent to them. But if it's a different thing such as it's a behavioral problem of the gambler and he's the one that harms himself. The casino is outside of that scope already and it's the gambler's responsibility for every action that he does. Unfortunately, not all gamblers know how to become responsible.

I havent yet to see anyone or a casino assist those who are addicted to gambling because of the games, but in our country, those owners are required to give a percentage of their income to the people, which includes those who are addicted as well as those who are hospitalized and do not have enough money to pay the bill. I believe casinos are advising their players about addictions, similar to how cigarettes and alcoholic beverages have warning labels, and we all know it is still our fault, not theirs, so we should exercise self-control.
What type of assist are you thinking? they're assisting if it's about the game and the gambler is about to play. But if it's about the assistance that a gambler should get from them when they're already addicted and after they gamble. You'll never see a casino do that.
They are a business and not a charity so if that's the type of treatment that you're thinking, there won't be any in existence.

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August 02, 2021, 10:07:11 PM
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If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation.

It's not totally wrong to treat gambling seriously for a purpose of earning large sums of money. For a gambler, I like that mindset rather than the common quote here to only gamble the amount afford to lose and just gamble for fun. With that mindset and target to earn large money, it will make a gambler serious and focus making it the reason why should they won, at least.

But unfortunately, as you have mentioned, others aren't being concerned about their financial situation and it now affects their life outside gambling. It's something that gambling companies don't have control so it's not valid if they will be held responsible for that.

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August 02, 2021, 10:15:54 PM
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If you think logically, gambling companies are supposed to be entertainment; however, some people are taking it seriously in order to earn large sums of money, and it is their fault for having that mindset and not being concerned about their financial situation.

It's not totally wrong to treat gambling seriously for a purpose of earning large sums of money. For a gambler, I like that mindset rather than the common quote here to only gamble the amount afford to lose and just gamble for fun. With that mindset and target to earn large money, it will make a gambler serious and focus making it the reason why should they won, at least.

But unfortunately, as you have mentioned, others aren't being concerned about their financial situation and it now affects their life outside gambling. It's something that gambling companies don't have control so it's not valid if they will be held responsible for that.
A very wrong mindset to have and why would companies would be taking the blame if the gambler becomes addicted? Its true that gambling could be addictive but you arent forced to play on said place
which this is a matter of someones decision in terms of their finances and if they do mess up then they have no rights on suing out the company just because they become broke because of gambling.
All matters on how you do handle your finances and you wont really be ending up on that situation and you have no right on blaming everyone but only blame yourself on why you hadnt able
to control yourself when it comes to gambling.

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August 02, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
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I can gamble throwing pennies against a wall, in college we used to gamble with a pack of cards between lessons and on the bus back and forth and no company was involved.   Gambling isnt an exclusive product, the sole burden of handling a personal problem with gambling is the person themselves.   The companies should do their best to comply with requests to restrict access or whatever measure can help maybe capital controls of amount available to gamble but beyond that they can only do so much and the idea the gamble doesn't exist without a company is a fallacy.

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August 02, 2021, 11:34:39 PM
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It is out of the scope of what they offer. It is the people themselves who are inflicting harm toward others, and you can't expect a gambling platform to police such activities especially if it's outside their premises.

Out of their scope indeed and its none of their business if they players got addicted into the service that they do give into people.Its for entertainment and there are no other intentional
thing that would be putting them on harm and since its their decision to make and not on the casinos and just like what others been saying that its their decision to make and its just
right that they would be facing up the consequences on the things that they had done.Its not their problem if someones get addicted since it is not the casino who had
been holding their money to spend on.So theres no other to blame but only yourself.

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August 02, 2021, 11:39:17 PM
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Morally yes technically no.
Gambling companies are just fulfilling a requirement of a market, if there aren't any gamblers then there won't be any gambling industry but there are actually.
The adrenaline rush from gambling or other risky activities is hardwired in most of us.
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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



Casinos and gambling sites write that they help addicts just to show that they are ethical. Think about it - after all, it is the casinos that want as many people as possible to be addicted. The only thing casinos and gambling sites do to help people who are addicted to gambling is to get rid of all their money.  Wink  Cheesy
Everyone has to be very careful not to become addicted and that is the best solution. However, when someone becomes addicted, he has to go to a specialist and ask his loved ones for help - only they can help, not the casino.

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August 03, 2021, 01:21:37 PM
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Moreover, for whatever reason it is true that the Casino does not need to be held accountable in such a way. We would find it very unethical if the Casino was burdened with the risk that should be on the side of the players. Everyone has their own responsibilities, if a gambler is really a gambler, how could they claim the risk that the gambler should bear.
There is really no accountability for the casino. It's known to be a casino and a gambler knows what he's doing and if he's down to gamble. And before he goes into that casino, login his username and password, he's aware of the possible drawback of his action.
If it's a win, will he blame the casino? no. But if he loses, then that's the blame that will start? That's unfair on the side of the business that the gambler already knew its side effects from the very start.

Therefore, it would be nice if a gambler reads the rules to the end so as not to misunderstand the applicable rules. Because usually the rookies who play carelessly, do not put forward the applicable rules, they are too hasty and want to play immediately and become winners. If you encounter difficulties, the casino is often completely blamed. Because the casino will help with complaints only within the scope of the site then later on it is no longer their responsibility to provide assistance.
Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

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August 04, 2021, 09:24:36 PM
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Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

Rules are No. 1, although we don't really like rules. Because as guests we certainly have to appreciate what is our obligation to stay there for a long time and get comfortable gambling. The host and all related in it is their right to continue to apply the rules as they should. Maybe the casino owner will say, if you don't like it then please leave our house.
No one is really forcing you to play, therefore you dont really actually have the right to make complaints or sue them out on why you had become addicted because this is a self decision

for you to play that long on a gambling site or place.They are not really responsible on why you become addicted and they wont care on treating off those addicted ones since these are people

who would be making out more revenue to theirs.They would just simply ignore you when you dont have money to play and the rest is something you should need to care.

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August 04, 2021, 09:42:22 PM
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Reading the rules is a must for every terms and conditions that has been set. Because not reading so will lead you to assume that the casino is at full accountability even if you lose from them.
They're for the business and that's really the business model that they've got. They earn from the gamblers who are losing and that's what everyone has to understand and it's not that their problem if you can no longer control yourself from losing and gambling.

Rules are No. 1, although we don't really like rules. Because as guests we certainly have to appreciate what is our obligation to stay there for a long time and get comfortable gambling. The host and all related in it is their right to continue to apply the rules as they should. Maybe the casino owner will say, if you don't like it then please leave our house.
No one is really forcing you to play, therefore you dont really actually have the right to make complaints or sue them out on why you had become addicted because this is a self decision

for you to play that long on a gambling site or place.They are not really responsible on why you become addicted and they wont care on treating off those addicted ones since these are people



The only thing you can complain to gambling sites ia if they didn't give us fair games or gives us better service towards using their website but for anything related to addiction or losing our wealth then we cannot go and complain about what happen to us since in the first place we are the one who came to them and play its just we abuse ourselves thats why we came to a bad positions and provably lost everything we have.

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August 06, 2021, 07:56:54 PM
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I agree, for a long time I have been tired of people that want all kind of rights to be given but they do not want to accept the responsibilities that come with those rights, if people want the freedom to do almost whatever they want then they need to accept the responsibilities that come with it, casinos should not be held responsible for the losses that their clients incur, if someone doesn't want to lose money while the gamble then there is a very easy solution, do not gamble, but if you want to do it then you need to accept that you are taking a risk and that if you do not control it then you're going to pay the price.

We as a person demand for a rights that we think we deserve but we should bear in mind too that every rights we demand we also to take a responsibility for ourselves and for the establishments especially gambling establishments or institution that we are opt to in. There are are limitations for the demand of our rights and if we were going to look for something to blame on in our losses due to our reckless decisions then the establishments has nothing to do with it.
That’s alright to ask for some help but we have no right to demand for them to help us because in the first place, we choose to gamble at our own risk and the casinos are not responsible for the next action that you’ll take. Addiction is a broad concern for many, casinos can’t control it but they offer a help through their organizations that focuses more on addict gambler. We have to play based on capacity, don’t force yourself beyond the limit.
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August 06, 2021, 08:22:10 PM
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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.
And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

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August 06, 2021, 09:45:51 PM
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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.
And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.
^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.
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August 06, 2021, 10:17:15 PM
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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.
And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.
^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.
I cant really think off that those things would be solely offered into their users unless for some exemption when you are a whale or big spender of a casino then you might really be getting some perks but i dont

really expect that much that it would connect out to health insurances or something like that.They arent responsible on what would happen to you since its already out of the scope of their responsibility.

They're here to give out entertainment to people and its up to someone on how they would be handling up their finances.Its out of their scope on babysitting those people who had been addicted.
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August 06, 2021, 10:47:22 PM
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at least they will be required to put some amount each month for funding in case there is a need for gambling related activities?

example if someone tries to rob or other related case and he was killed or hospitalized because of his action and obviously done because of gambling addiction , then there is some funds that can be use to support their family or at least medications.
And I don't think if there is a rule like they cover any medical expenses when a gambler/s has been injured/killed even they can prove that they are in gambling. Or the CSR will take responsibility with you? This is not what I see as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.
^ That is impossible that there is a benefit like that, just like insurance for its users once there is unexpected will happen. Most likely in the offline casinos but in the online casinos, I never heard such a case like this. Possible if a gambling site has offered any health insurance per year or the month and it could be at that time, the casino has a responsibility to you when there is something that happens to you. But if not, that is impossible, we should take control of our money ourselves.
I cant really think off that those things would be solely offered into their users unless for some exemption when you are a whale or big spender of a casino then you might really be getting some perks but i dont

really expect that much that it would connect out to health insurances or something like that.They arent responsible on what would happen to you since its already out of the scope of their responsibility.

They're here to give out entertainment to people and its up to someone on how they would be handling up their finances.Its out of their scope on babysitting those people who had been addicted.
I consider this to be a joke of the century because I have never a certain rule which stated that the casino to help their customers who are addicted and later rob, killed, or hospitalized. They can help the victim if they want to and it will also be if the incident happens within their environs and the same applied to the customer that is a big spender if he/she is yet to be a club member.

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August 07, 2021, 07:36:46 AM
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There is no need to put responsibility in the company in relation to harmful activities. at first, they did not force you to play the game and they didn't do anything to persuade you, if you get addicted to gambling, you lose your meals, taking a bath and you got sick because you only focused on gambling then that is not their fault because you are the one who chose to be like that.
I get your point the companies shouldn't be held responsible for gamblers carelessness but at some point this companies can also help reduce the harm. It will be ethical if this gambling companies require statement of account from gamblers before registration so the help them manage their deposits and regulate the amount the will stake for every bet And also set limits to which the can play on daily, weekly and monthly basis.

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August 07, 2021, 08:47:52 AM
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I did not want to mention that before because it will make people not to have freedom, government should not be too strict like that, but just want to clear rodskee that he is not totally right, we should know that nobody cares, if the government want to care that way, people will say the government are making people not to have freedom, but we should know that it is we ourselves that should care for ourselves, that is why only 18+ are the people that are allowed to gamble by law, children can not gamble, we should fight all means that can let us be an addict because nobody cares, neither the government, the betting companies do not care but like people to gamble more.
And that's why the current system of taking care of addicts is at an impasse, since the government nor the addicts themselves are actually able to do anything, since well, because of personal freedom. Ngl, the government DOES care (well, at least some of them I suppose), it's just that their care is way too old, ineffective, and useless, that it seems like they actually don't give a single damn about the current state of gambling addiction. It's a sad state yes, but it has been like that for a long time imo.

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August 07, 2021, 09:28:33 AM
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Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I have seen that many gambling houses tried self-locking facility kind of things to make sure their core business will not impact their customers in more depth but people do find their own way to breach such things which eventually ending up blaming the gambling houses.

Whatever CSK practices being incorporated by gambling houses, when gamblers are not ready to feel their responsibilities then we cannot expect any changes in gambler's approach toward gambling. Changes should begin from the gamblers which may grow up to effective levels when houses also join with gamblers to co-operate.

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August 07, 2021, 09:42:27 AM
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as the function of the CSR as they are not created to take responsibility for this because it was the fault of the gambler, not the site itself.

Even in gambling addiction, companies are still out from this and we can neither claim to help us.

If the gambler file a complaint in court I don't think it will prosper, it's going to be a long and expensive case, and casinos can hire the best lawyers because they are well funded and they have a lot of connections when it comes to gambling we must see to it that we become obsessive in gambling we can do this by limiting our time and focusing on other things and strengthening our relationship with our family.

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August 07, 2021, 09:46:20 AM
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you, if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management and I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
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Yes. Casinos should definitely be responsible when it comes to addiction cases - and they should offer things like voluntary self exclusion, self help resources, etc. to the best of their ability in order to make sure that problem gamblers have the least chance of becoming addicted.

But at the end of the day, is it really fair to expect them to do any more?

They're running a for profit business, not a charity. And gamblers can always come back with alts even with self-exclusion, so it's not failsafe by any means.

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There is no need to put responsibility in the company in relation to harmful activities. at first, they did not force you to play the game and they didn't do anything to persuade you, if you get addicted to gambling, you lose your meals, taking a bath and you got sick because you only focused on gambling then that is not their fault because you are the one who chose to be like that.
I get your point the companies shouldn't be held responsible for gamblers carelessness but at some point this companies can also help reduce the harm. It will be ethical if this gambling companies require statement of account from gamblers before registration so the help them manage their deposits and regulate the amount the will stake for every bet And also set limits to which the can play on daily, weekly and monthly basis.
Maybe the gambling companies can warn the gamblers not to use too big money for gambling, although they do not like to say that but at least, that gambling companies help the gamblers to know the risk.
If a gambler does not know that and still uses more money to gamble, that will be a gambler's mistake because he can not manage his money.
That will not be the company's mistake because they already warned the gamblers but did not follow the suggestion.
If that so, people can not blame the gambling companies.
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you, if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management and I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
Yes, basically gambling itself is a risky game so when they start playing then they are responsible for themselves and no one else. But indeed, the company can give warnings in many ways too, if a player enters using a ticket, the company can still remind him through the ticket about the gambling itself so that gamblers can make choices from the start. Because the main thing is to remain disciplined because once we make carelessness in betting, then it will certainly be detrimental and create danger because of our own choices or actions, all return to their respective self-awareness.

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August 07, 2021, 11:13:44 AM
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you, if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management and I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
Yes, basically gambling itself is a risky game so when they start playing then they are responsible for themselves and no one else. But indeed, the company can give warnings in many ways too, if a player enters using a ticket, the company can still remind him through the ticket about the gambling itself so that gamblers can make choices from the start. Because the main thing is to remain disciplined because once we make carelessness in betting, then it will certainly be detrimental and create danger because of our own choices or actions, all return to their respective self-awareness.
Some casinos offering a lock feature so the user can lock their account for a certain time period so they can avoid the gambling addiction and also they give warnings if we play too long and especially when we click the bet amount as a maximum of our balance because it can be a life savior on many occasions when people click the max instead of increase button.
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you, if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management and I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
Yes, basically gambling itself is a risky game so when they start playing then they are responsible for themselves and no one else. But indeed, the company can give warnings in many ways too, if a player enters using a ticket, the company can still remind him through the ticket about the gambling itself so that gamblers can make choices from the start. Because the main thing is to remain disciplined because once we make carelessness in betting, then it will certainly be detrimental and create danger because of our own choices or actions, all return to their respective self-awareness.
Some casinos offering a lock feature so the user can lock their account for a certain time period so they can avoid the gambling addiction and also they give warnings if we play too long and especially when we click the bet amount as a maximum of our balance because it can be a life savior on many occasions when people click the max instead of increase button.

But that is not really the solution to any players whoa are addicted. That might work in the physical world if there was only one casino in your city, but in the online gambling world we all know how easy it is to just sign up with another online casino and play there. I know that is not the responsibility of any casino to full take care of players, but that's just how it is.

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August 07, 2021, 07:44:36 PM
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I did not want to mention that before because it will make people not to have freedom, government should not be too strict like that, but just want to clear rodskee that he is not totally right, we should know that nobody cares, if the government want to care that way, people will say the government are making people not to have freedom, but we should know that it is we ourselves that should care for ourselves, that is why only 18+ are the people that are allowed to gamble by law, children can not gamble, we should fight all means that can let us be an addict because nobody cares, neither the government, the betting companies do not care but like people to gamble more.
And that's why the current system of taking care of addicts is at an impasse, since the government nor the addicts themselves are actually able to do anything, since well, because of personal freedom. Ngl, the government DOES care (well, at least some of them I suppose), it's just that their care is way too old, ineffective, and useless, that it seems like they actually don't give a single damn about the current state of gambling addiction. It's a sad state yes, but it has been like that for a long time imo.
I have to say the main reason is that the addiction is not the same as other addictions and that is the biggest reason. For example cigarette addiction kills you with lung cancer, drinking kills you with liver cancer or any other liver problems, drugs kill you because of overdose, basically there has been a ton of addictions that literally kills you.

What does gambling addiction do? It makes you lose money, it could be a small amount, or it could be everything you have ever owned, even make you do crimes to gamble some more but in the end it just takes your money and everything else is what you do for money, you may do the same things for other reasons since people do want money and get greedy and commit crimes without gambling as well.

This vaaaast huuuuuge difference between addictions makes gambling addiction look very tiny and very unimportant compared to all other addictions.
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August 07, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you,
They will only take care of you in a manner that the service they'll offer will make you feel comfortable and wanting to bet some more because that's how their businesses are running.

if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management
Or better don't gamble at all.

I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
They monitor in so many ways but it's only if it's related to seeing how their players are enjoying.

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August 07, 2021, 09:41:56 PM
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Business is business so don't expect them to take care of you,
They will only take care of you in a manner that the service they'll offer will make you feel comfortable and wanting to bet some more because that's how their businesses are running.

if anyone wants to be safe while gambling then its their responsibility to gamble safe with time limitations and good financial management
Or better don't gamble at all.

I don't know how can we expect the gambling sites to monitor all the individuals and their betting habits which is literally not possible via monitor.
They monitor in so many ways but it's only if it's related to seeing how their players are enjoying.
Gambling platforms has no business in monitoring or knowing the later end of their customers and there is no where in the gambling policies of a country or firm that will hold gambling companies for being responsible for unethical behaviours of there gamblers/customers. Everyone has the liberty to do whatever they want or like without restrictions once it does not go contrary to the law. Gambling is lawful and anyone that choose to use it to create crime would be definitely hold responsible for their actions.

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    I really don't know if there's still a responsible of the company Gambling for the Gambler if what happened on them inside the gambling site. I think there's is no cause they already know once they entered Gambling they know their limitless . We all know that gambling site is a business that's people will be interested an more likely to stay.

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August 08, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
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    I really don't know if there's still a responsible of the company Gambling for the Gambler if what happened on them inside the gambling site. I think there's is no cause they already know once they entered Gambling they know their limitless . We all know that gambling site is a business that's people will be interested an more likely to stay.
The casino will not be responsible for what happens to the gamblers because they have their own decision to play gambling and how much money they will use to gamble. But the casino was already telling them to be careful to gamble, but that does not stop gamblers from gambling. The casino can suggest the gambler but the gambler will decide by themselves and nothing can stop the gamblers from playing gambling except themselves.

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August 08, 2021, 09:59:29 AM
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.

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Most online gambling companies claim that they are ethical providers who are committed to corporate social responsibility (CSR) practices.

They propose,  that their CSR are targeted at preventing or minimizing the harm associated with their activities. However,  we are aware that those who are severely addicted to gambling have shown several mental and physical health, social relationships and academic and work performance issues.

Have these companies taken any steps to minimize the harm related to online gambling?  Is their CSR functional? Not all bet sites encourage responsible gambling because they rely on revenue from the losses of  gambling addicts. My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?



As you said, they "claim" to be ethical and adhere to socially responsible play. The alternative is they ignore any pleas to help out people with gambling addiction, make lots of money in the short term but get the wrath of politicians who then are forced to create more punitive laws against them. This way they are effectively soft lobbying to be left alone, trying to walk a fine line where they can continue to target vulnerable people in different ways but show their "good" credentials when asked what they are doing to help the situation. It's basically goodwill shopping. Luckily in my country the gambling regulator is relatively effective and forces many companies to offer an opt-out service which allows people to self ban themselves for certain lengths of time if they feel like they've lost control.

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August 08, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.

Only responsible gamblers should gamble because a responsible gambler will not blame a casino when he losses it's part of the game, a responsible gambler knows he should gamble what he can afford to lose, the majority of gambling sites always warn their players, they do not lack warning their players if he failed to heed that, whatever the consequences it should be his responsibility.


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August 08, 2021, 01:55:52 PM
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.

Only responsible gamblers should gamble because a responsible gambler will not blame a casino when he losses it's part of the game, a responsible gambler knows he should gamble what he can afford to lose, the majority of gambling sites always warn their players, they do not lack warning their players if he failed to heed that, whatever the consequences it should be his responsibility.

Losing funds because of phishing sites isn't the responsibility of a gambling casino anymore. We're always advised to be mindful of our actions and be careful on clicking suspicious sites. Gambling sites don't have any control over that. It could harm careless players and aren't mindful of their actions. We must know how to get rid of phishing sites these days. We should think before we click.
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August 08, 2021, 04:34:54 PM
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There should be a much stricter policy regarding customer welfare especially in these types of business models where customers who sign up are at risk of being addicted. Many may disagree with this but soon as you get into the habit of gambling it's quite hard to quit it without outside intervention. And in situations like this it is very helpful that online gambling sites set up parameters that track their customer's activity and provide them with health assistance or redirect them to a healthcare professional soon as they see patterns of addiction. It shouldn't be that bothersome to project empathy especially for someone who keeps your business running.
What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.
Phishing may of course be on the gambler's fault but the fact remains that they should inform people about this as soon as news of it come out. As for the other health detriments, they could do something about it like automatically locking the customer's account on certain parts of the day and redirecting them to a health professional which could be done within their system if my memory serves me correctly. Yes it's quite the trouble but in exchange for a much healthier gambling environment? Yes please.



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August 08, 2021, 05:52:21 PM
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My question is, should online gambling companies be responsible for the harm related to their activities because of their current failures in the implementation and control of CSR policies?
I think those CSR on every online casino are used as references and applied the advice of the service for gamblers in order to reduce its addiction if at some extent people feel got addicted to gambling. After all every single person that comes to online casinos are adults who supposed to take responsibility for all of their own activities, it isn't necessary for online casinos to fully accompany the customers on taking rehabilitation.
Adults already know what they're doing; they have the option of gambling or not gambling with their money. There are different stages of gambling addiction; there is a specific stage that CSR handles and is doing its job, but the next stage is already decided by the gamblers, so they are to blame.
What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.

Only responsible gamblers should gamble because a responsible gambler will not blame a casino when he losses it's part of the game, a responsible gambler knows he should gamble what he can afford to lose, the majority of gambling sites always warn their players, they do not lack warning their players if he failed to heed that, whatever the consequences it should be his responsibility.

Losing funds because of phishing sites isn't the responsibility of a gambling casino anymore. We're always advised to be mindful of our actions and be careful on clicking suspicious sites. Gambling sites don't have any control over that. It could harm careless players and aren't mindful of their actions. We must know how to get rid of phishing sites these days. We should think before we click.
This is another's gambler fault. You should always take care of what links are you clicking. If you get baited on some phishing sites then, this isn't the fault of the gambling company, it's your lack of knowledge about some fake sites spreading in the internet. 
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August 08, 2021, 09:16:25 PM
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Gambling seems to be painted as though it was a vice these days. Seriously, it's no more a bad sh*t like it is to drinking beer! I can almost categories them to be about the same thing.
Gambling and Gaking Beer is rated age sixteen and its advised to drink responsible as well as for you as a gambler to gamble responsible. Yet people get drunk and commit the actual vice without the brewery being crucified for it and so is expected of gambling platforms too. They are barely responsible for what a person does with his or her freewill after passing out informations on a responsible gambling.

Besides, even in the event that a gambler should put out a huge stake and he or she is being warned for it, the gambler is sure to have a mixed feeling if he or she is being warned due to a potential win and would still push on. Gamblers are entirely responsible for there actions!

absolutely! gamblers already know the consequences of his actions just like any other vices. don't expect that casinos will take care of your mental health here when it comes to your gambling activities. you enter and play inside the casino at your own free will. they don't care if you lose and where's your money come from. the truth is, the longer you play on them, the better for their business. i don't think gamblers should expect any kind of protection from the casino, because it is never their responsibility.

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August 08, 2021, 11:19:38 PM
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Gambling platforms has no business in monitoring or knowing the later end of their customers and there is no where in the gambling policies of a country or firm that will hold gambling companies for being responsible for unethical behaviours of there gamblers/customers. Everyone has the liberty to do whatever they want or like without restrictions once it does not go contrary to the law. Gambling is lawful and anyone that choose to use it to create crime would be definitely hold responsible for their actions.
Yes, they don't have the business to closely monitor their gamblers after gambling on their casinos. They are there to give what they're giving as a service as a casino and whatever comes next to it for the customer, it doesn't matter to them anymore.
Well, we're all grown-ups and it's not surprising to see some grown-up, adults, that are still cannot control their emotions and trying to look for some other things to blame with their own fault.

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Well, we're all grown-ups and it's not surprising to see some grown-up, adults, that are still cannot control their emotions and trying to look for some other things to blame with their own fault.

It's really hard to control our emotions because that was our nature. The thing that should be controlled is those negative things that can happen after a painful loss on gambling. Try being responsible at all times.

Gambling sites don't have to take action for their customers that got being irresponsible after playing on their site. That's out of their service but if they will have a program for those who fall, I will support them at all costs.
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Well, we're all grown-ups and it's not surprising to see some grown-up, adults, that are still cannot control their emotions and trying to look for some other things to blame with their own fault.
That's because we have different upbringings in life so we see things and control things at a different level and perspective, someone you might see compulsively gamble sees themselves as doing just fine according to them so you can't blame them too, iblame only disregards the issue which is the harm or hurt and it's causes that was caused by their actions.
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August 09, 2021, 04:19:23 AM
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Well, we're all grown-ups and it's not surprising to see some grown-up, adults, that are still cannot control their emotions and trying to look for some other things to blame with their own fault.
That's because we have different upbringings in life so we see things and control things at a different level and perspective, someone you might see compulsively gamble sees themselves as doing just fine according to them so you can't blame them too, iblame only disregards the issue which is the harm or hurt and it's causes that was caused by their actions.
and it is also about our ATTITUDE , it is not upbringings but the truly inside us.

gambling mostly comes bad to greedy people and this is how it goes for some, best not to treat gambling as vices but instead for fun activities.

so we don't need to bother those companies that only needs business.

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Gambling sites don't have to take action for their customers that got being irresponsible after playing on their site. That's out of their service but if they will have a program for those who fall, I will support them at all costs.
Some countries are having that kind of regulations to push gambling houses to have facilities to take care of their harm related activities of gambling but most gambling houses are bypassing those restrictions or not completely following them after getting license things.

gambling mostly comes bad to greedy people
No, gambling first turns people greedy and then starts hurting them. Gambling by its nature got lots of power to influence all the gamblers which must be the reason why we do see even people start gambling responsibly ending up losing everything later on.
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.
yeah, the responsibility of online gambling providers is only to provide such as bankrolls, games, chat rooms, etc. This is like something that does provide.. but basically it comes back to the user, the risk and whatever is experienced by the gambler.. it is of course borne by the gambler, has nothing to do with the gambling provider, and even gambling providers sometimes cheating the gamblers, how could they think about the gamblers risk or something like harm.
Harm related activities like killing , robbing and some sort like this is a authority matters , meaning it is the government will shoulder those and besides the gambling sites are paying taxes with huge amount for these effect.
i think if this is really need to take part then best to put more taxes instead of obligating them to take responsibilities on the harm matter.
i am also a gambler so i understand the sentiments here but it doesn't mean that i will support this campaign because it is not ethical.









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August 09, 2021, 05:27:45 AM
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.
yeah, the responsibility of online gambling providers is only to provide such as bankrolls, games, chat rooms, etc. This is like something that does provide.. but basically it comes back to the user, the risk and whatever is experienced by the gambler.. it is of course borne by the gambler, has nothing to do with the gambling provider, and even gambling providers sometimes cheating the gamblers, how could they think about the gamblers risk or something like harm.
Harm related activities like killing , robbing and some sort like this is a authority matters , meaning it is the government will shoulder those and besides the gambling sites are paying taxes with huge amount for these effect.
i think if this is really need to take part then best to put more taxes instead of obligating them to take responsibilities on the harm matter.
i am also a gambler so i understand the sentiments here but it doesn't mean that i will support this campaign because it is not ethical.


its always the government but it has to have a relationship with the industry too. or it will be thought for the industry to survive. any politician can act tough to keep milking from the casino if they are not going to cooperate.

but with government cooperation, it will be easy for the casinos to operate and make it appear like they are also responsible people. it's the government that will be responsible for the harm that casinos are infecting to the gamblers. government imposes bigger taxes from the casino and then the taxes are to be used for the treatment of the addiction.









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August 09, 2021, 08:23:40 AM
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Well, we're all grown-ups and it's not surprising to see some grown-up, adults, that are still cannot control their emotions and trying to look for some other things to blame with their own fault.
That's because we have different upbringings in life so we see things and control things at a different level and perspective, someone you might see compulsively gamble sees themselves as doing just fine according to them so you can't blame them too, iblame only disregards the issue which is the harm or hurt and it's causes that was caused by their actions.
and it is also about our ATTITUDE , it is not upbringings but the truly inside us.

gambling mostly comes bad to greedy people and this is how it goes for some, best not to treat gambling as vices but instead for fun activities.

so we don't need to bother those companies that only needs business.
The majority of the gamblers are greedy and that cannot be removed unless they control it during those hard times. You cannot also stop someone who's into it just to say few words to stop. Because even if they want to, they just can't as it became part of their daily lives. And when they are harmed or there's sort of bad result, then it should be their responsibility if they lose that much and there is no need to put the blame to the casino as if looking to secure that when you gamble there's an insurance for such.

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August 09, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
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The majority of the gamblers are greedy and that cannot be removed unless they control it during those hard times. You cannot also stop someone who's into it just to say few words to stop. Because even if they want to, they just can't as it became part of their daily lives. And when they are harmed or there's sort of bad result, then it should be their responsibility if they lose that much and there is no need to put the blame to the casino as if looking to secure that when you gamble there's an insurance for such.

Sad thing with this activities, instead of treating this venue as entertainment gamblers see this as good source of profits. At first they are able to control stopping in the right time and qui with decent amount of money.

While, afterwards greed start to comes and instead of enjoying some winning gamblers start to keep playing and keep trying to win more only to realize that luck is not always behind them. They'll keep pushing to the point that addiction happened to them and unable to stop it and control it.


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August 09, 2021, 01:07:58 PM
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.
yeah, the responsibility of online gambling providers is only to provide such as bankrolls, games, chat rooms, etc. This is like something that does provide.. but basically it comes back to the user, the risk and whatever is experienced by the gambler.. it is of course borne by the gambler, has nothing to do with the gambling provider, and even gambling providers sometimes cheating the gamblers, how could they think about the gamblers risk or something like harm.

You are correct, and you should be aware that before we created an account, there were terms and conditions that stated that they are not responsible for anything that happens to you after you check the agree box, and that you will be unable to do anything and that they will not assist you. However, you should be aware of the risks and emotional state that you may encounter before playing. Play for fun and not for profit, and avoid becoming addicted to gambling.
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What kind of harm can a gambler get while playing online? Curved spine because of sitting on a bad chair and loosing visual acuity? But that is not what company be responsible for. If a gambler looses a lot - this is an addiction that specialists must cure. Chances of loosing due to phishing ? Again this is gamblers responsibility.
yeah, the responsibility of online gambling providers is only to provide such as bankrolls, games, chat rooms, etc. This is like something that does provide.. but basically it comes back to the user, the risk and whatever is experienced by the gambler.. it is of course borne by the gambler, has nothing to do with the gambling provider, and even gambling providers sometimes cheating the gamblers, how could they think about the gamblers risk or something like harm.

You are correct, and you should be aware that before we created an account, there were terms and conditions that stated that they are not responsible for anything that happens to you after you check the agree box, and that you will be unable to do anything and that they will not assist you. However, you should be aware of the risks and emotional state that you may encounter before playing. Play for fun and not for profit, and avoid becoming addicted to gambling.
Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.
However, the gambling games really know how to make the gamblers stay for a long time and use their money to gamble more.
And the casino will not be responsible for anything that can happen to that gamblers.
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Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.
However, the gambling games really know how to make the gamblers stay for a long time and use their money to gamble more.
And the casino will not be responsible for anything that can happen to that gamblers.

The casino will do everything to keep their players to keep coming back,

Casinos are  business and they'll do their best to keep it growing, they will not held liable with how the gamblers will become due to addictions,

It's the gamblers actions that needs to being responsible, any act of illegal things won't affect the business as they are just waiting for gamblers to come in and play, without knowing where the money came from.
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Unless they're the reason for the harm then it's a big no since they only provide the service, they're not responsible how their customers act, that's doting and asshole of them to do so. I think businesses should have some protection of their own too because sometimes it's the customers that are the assholes that compromises the business.
Its a self will decision for you to gamble and its not a casinos fault when you do get addicted.Its just too dumb that people would consider that casinos are the ones who should responsible about addiction and messing up

gamblers life in the end? Then people shouldnt play gambling in the first place if they would really be having this kind of blaming into something which isnt supposed to be blamed because of our wrong decisions.

Gambling isnt bad if you do know on how to handle yourself but if you do past into your limits then its an another piece of story.
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Unless they're the reason for the harm then it's a big no since they only provide the service, they're not responsible how their customers act, that's doting and asshole of them to do so. I think businesses should have some protection of their own too because sometimes it's the customers that are the assholes that compromises the business.
Its a self will decision for you to gamble and its not a casinos fault when you do get addicted.Its just too dumb that people would consider that casinos are the ones who should responsible about addiction and messing up

gamblers life in the end? Then people shouldnt play gambling in the first place if they would really be having this kind of blaming into something which isnt supposed to be blamed because of our wrong decisions.

Gambling isnt bad if you do know on how to handle yourself but if you do past into your limits then its an another piece of story.
Before you start playing gambling, you have to accept the consequences besides experiencing losses, you will also experience addiction and cannot blame the casino.
Casinos only provide services for fun and don't force you to enter or get involved in them, so no matter what happens, blame yourself for overplaying and you have to deal with it yourself and not blame the casino.

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August 10, 2021, 09:44:36 PM
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There is no need to put responsibility in the company in relation to harmful activities. at first, they did not force you to play the game and they didn't do anything to persuade you, if you get addicted to gambling, you lose your meals, taking a bath and you got sick because you only focused on gambling then that is not their fault because you are the one who chose to be like that.
I get your point the companies shouldn't be held responsible for gamblers carelessness but at some point this companies can also help reduce the harm. It will be ethical if this gambling companies require statement of account from gamblers before registration so the help them manage their deposits and regulate the amount the will stake for every bet And also set limits to which the can play on daily, weekly and monthly basis.
I'll have to disagree with you there, if you are doing that you then you are basically giving control of your money to a stranger that you do not really know, we cannot have it both ways we're either adults or we are kids, and if we are adults then we need to be completely responsible for the decisions that we take and that means owning our mistakes as well, I know that is something that no one wants to do but if you want to learn to not do this again then you have no other option, and by the way most people can control their gambling it is just a minority that are unable to control it.

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August 10, 2021, 10:52:32 PM
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The majority of the gamblers are greedy and that cannot be removed unless they control it during those hard times. You cannot also stop someone who's into it just to say few words to stop. Because even if they want to, they just can't as it became part of their daily lives. And when they are harmed or there's sort of bad result, then it should be their responsibility if they lose that much and there is no need to put the blame to the casino as if looking to secure that when you gamble there's an insurance for such.

Sad thing with this activities, instead of treating this venue as entertainment gamblers see this as good source of profits. At first they are able to control stopping in the right time and qui with decent amount of money.

While, afterwards greed start to comes and instead of enjoying some winning gamblers start to keep playing and keep trying to win more only to realize that luck is not always behind them. They'll keep pushing to the point that addiction happened to them and unable to stop it and control it.


You'll never change that fact and idea that there's really a source that can be seen in gambling. But this is only for those people that have been on it for a long time, not for those newbies that just saw how others made huge profit on it and then they'll also think it will be the same for them. And it's already on the gambler how he's going to make himself comfortable as he gambles but just don't blame the casino, it's their business and gambling results are known that the house always win and every lose that we make is already anticipated as this is gambling.

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August 11, 2021, 04:44:31 AM
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Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.
However, the gambling games really know how to make the gamblers stay for a long time and use their money to gamble more.
And the casino will not be responsible for anything that can happen to that gamblers.

The casino will do everything to keep their players to keep coming back,

Casinos are  business and they'll do their best to keep it growing, they will not held liable with how the gamblers will become due to addictions,

It's the gamblers actions that needs to being responsible, any act of illegal things won't affect the business as they are just waiting for gamblers to come in and play, without knowing where the money came from.
Unfortunately, the gamblers are not responsible for what they did in gambling and they still continue gambling without stop.
The gamblers get attracted to the casino because their mind always thinks about how to win the games.
The casino did great work to temp the gamblers to come back to their place and tempted them to deposit more money because that means their business becomes bigger.
If the gamblers know how to responsibly while playing gambling, they will not get tempted and they can playing gambling properly without wanting to chase the win money.
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August 11, 2021, 10:28:51 AM
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The majority of the gamblers are greedy and that cannot be removed unless they control it during those hard times. You cannot also stop someone who's into it just to say few words to stop. Because even if they want to, they just can't as it became part of their daily lives. And when they are harmed or there's sort of bad result, then it should be their responsibility if they lose that much and there is no need to put the blame to the casino as if looking to secure that when you gamble there's an insurance for such.

Sad thing with this activities, instead of treating this venue as entertainment gamblers see this as good source of profits. At first they are able to control stopping in the right time and qui with decent amount of money.

While, afterwards greed start to comes and instead of enjoying some winning gamblers start to keep playing and keep trying to win more only to realize that luck is not always behind them. They'll keep pushing to the point that addiction happened to them and unable to stop it and control it.


You'll never change that fact and idea that there's really a source that can be seen in gambling. But this is only for those people that have been on it for a long time, not for those newbies that just saw how others made huge profit on it and then they'll also think it will be the same for them. And it's already on the gambler how he's going to make himself comfortable as he gambles but just don't blame the casino, it's their business and gambling results are known that the house always win and every lose that we make is already anticipated as this is gambling.

You'll never see gambling as an entertainment unless you're a very wealthy man, that's the truth. Automatically those normal people who play gambling would always be after the profit, they do gambling as a living, that's why gambling also makes a living on them. But we never blame the gambling sites, instead we should blame ourselves, or none at all because what we are doing (keep on trying) means we still do hope we could make a living.

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August 11, 2021, 03:21:45 PM
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I am not a supporter of the fact that casinos are guilty of gambling addiction to society, but I quite understand the point of view of those who think so. On the one hand, if we ban gambling activities, it should reduce the level of gambling addiction, which will have a positive impact on society. But on the other hand banning casinos violates our freedom of choice. I think there will never be a compromise in this debate.

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August 11, 2021, 07:10:11 PM
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Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.

When I started gambling even I didn't look at the company's terms and services but went straight to gambling in my case I didn't have any problems with the providers I chose could be lucky.

Another point you made regarding playing for fun but not for making money is quite the opposite of what most people will think about it, The ads the I'm seeing about gambling apps is that they show you "A guy made 100 USD and went to a restaurant with his girl", lol
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August 11, 2021, 09:05:37 PM
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You'll never change that fact and idea that there's really a source that can be seen in gambling. But this is only for those people that have been on it for a long time, not for those newbies that just saw how others made huge profit on it and then they'll also think it will be the same for them. And it's already on the gambler how he's going to make himself comfortable as he gambles but just don't blame the casino, it's their business and gambling results are known that the house always win and every lose that we make is already anticipated as this is gambling.

You'll never see gambling as an entertainment unless you're a very wealthy man, that's the truth. Automatically those normal people who play gambling would always be after the profit, they do gambling as a living, that's why gambling also makes a living on them. But we never blame the gambling sites, instead we should blame ourselves, or none at all because what we are doing (keep on trying) means we still do hope we could make a living.

Yes, it's half good and half bad depending on someone's situation.
I agree that's for sure for those people that are wealthy. They only see it as entertainment but many are keep on reiterating that it's only for fun but the reality is there really are those people that go with it as a source because they've experienced it and they're firm in that belief and we cannot change that fact. It is what's not being considered by them as they only say that it's for entertainment but the fact is always there and that's why there are people that got addicted to it and that harm isn't from the casino but it's their decision and has chosen it.

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August 11, 2021, 09:40:53 PM
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Online gambling companies that do not have measures to stop addicts from gambling all of their money should be responsible for anything that happens to them. I think gambling companies should monitor their members deposits and withdrawals and limit them if they think they are in danger of losing more than they can afford.
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Online gambling companies that do not have measures to stop addicts from gambling all of their money should be responsible for anything that happens to them. I think gambling companies should monitor their members deposits and withdrawals and limit them if they think they are in danger of losing more than they can afford.
The fact that they would really be preferring for those players to get addicted because this simply means that it would really be their advantage since people would really be spending something past into their limits
which means it really an add up revenue for them but if they dont really intent to make people addicted but still its a self will type of action on where people do commit out such mistake or addiction.
Gambling companies shouldnt really be blamed off and i dont see a point on why they would really be trying to resolved out a personal type of problem.

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August 11, 2021, 11:01:35 PM
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Online gambling companies that do not have measures to stop addicts from gambling all of their money should be responsible for anything that happens to them. I think gambling companies should monitor their members deposits and withdrawals and limit them if they think they are in danger of losing more than they can afford.
Every gambling site used to mention gambling is subject to risk and it is their own risk to spend on gambling. Maybe this could make people to linit them in terms of spending. When someone is restricted to spend/deposit he might also move to the next platform. Because, addiction can be controlled only if the user himself is ready.

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August 12, 2021, 04:12:35 AM
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Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.

When I started gambling even I didn't look at the company's terms and services but went straight to gambling in my case I didn't have any problems with the providers I chose could be lucky.

Another point you made regarding playing for fun but not for making money is quite the opposite of what most people will think about it, The ads the I'm seeing about gambling apps is that they show you "A guy made 100 USD and went to a restaurant with his girl", lol
You are lucky enough do not to get any worse experience in your first time playing gambling.
But other people can get a worse experience in gambling but that does not make them stop searching the other gambling site because they think that the other site will not do the same.
When they use the other gambling site, they can have fun playing the game and feel a different experience than the previous site, which makes them stay and play for more.
I think I watch ads show about winning $100 with a simple method in gambling but I do not trust it Grin
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August 12, 2021, 04:27:32 AM
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Most gamblers will not think much about the terms and conditions instead directly registering on that gambling site.
They will agree with all of the consequences that might happen to them, even if they can become addicted to gambling in the future.
The risk of playing gambling will be there and it needs awareness from a gambler to realize that they are playing gambling for fun and not for making money.

When I started gambling even I didn't look at the company's terms and services but went straight to gambling in my case I didn't have any problems with the providers I chose could be lucky.

Another point you made regarding playing for fun but not for making money is quite the opposite of what most people will think about it, The ads the I'm seeing about gambling apps is that they show you "A guy made 100 USD and went to a restaurant with his girl", lol
You are lucky enough do not to get any worse experience in your first time playing gambling.
But other people can get a worse experience in gambling but that does not make them stop searching the other gambling site because they think that the other site will not do the same.
When they use the other gambling site, they can have fun playing the game and feel a different experience than the previous site, which makes them stay and play for more.
I think I watch ads show about winning $100 with a simple method in gambling but I do not trust it Grin
Advertising is just a promotion that is of course made as attractive as possible in order to attract many customers, whereas when we gamble a big effort to win must still be deployed because to win big in gambling is not as easy as imagined. But still, even if you see ads that win with just a simple method, but the company doesn't advertise anything about being responsible for losing its customers. Indeed, sometimes companies make promotions about cashback after being wagered or something like how much money has been spent, but that doesn't last forever so we need to be aware of and take responsibility for the choices we make in gambling and as much as possible be aware of stop and go times.

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August 12, 2021, 06:31:12 AM
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Depending on the license, they must meet certain requirements. Whether they all do that is another matter. Because someone who is addicted to gambling, with a big bank account, those are the easiest customers of course. I don't know to what extent governments monitor this. And what the consequences are, I think just a warning.
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Unfortunately, the gamblers are not responsible for what they did in gambling and they still continue gambling without stop.
The gamblers get attracted to the casino because their mind always thinks about how to win the games.
The casino did great work to temp the gamblers to come back to their place and tempted them to deposit more money because that means their business becomes bigger.
If the gamblers know how to responsibly while playing gambling, they will not get tempted and they can playing gambling properly without wanting to chase the win money.


Indeed! if the gambler is responsible, they can enjoy without chasing that win,

Apparently, most of the gamblers who got attached are those who feel greedy, thinking that the win that they made can always be duplicated by more wins. If they are only concerned with how addiction will hit them up, they might not get that too much engagement to this business, just a simple part of entertainment and not to exceed to that.
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August 12, 2021, 11:51:29 AM
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Are you equally saying they should be held responsible for your loses while playing gambling? I do believe that they not to be held responsible for any effect playing gambling must have cost you in any way for they are doing their legitimate business and you are participating in other to make profit of which they are in business for the same profit too. How many government has been held responsible for road accident as a result of potholes on the road.

Yeah right, Some people used to blame casino as last resort whenever they are loss especially those who have a mental condition like severe gambling. Casino is not a charity so there main goal and wish is for player to loss there money so that they gain profit out of it regardless on what is the user condition. They are asking to read and agree there T&C before player can sign up and play. People with addiction should visit psychiatrist rather than gambling.

And also there is no way for an online casino to stop player with addiction problem since they don't have any idea on the condition of there player.

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August 12, 2021, 02:59:51 PM
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They are asking to read and agree there T&C before player can sign up and play. People with addiction should visit psychiatrist rather than gambling.

And also there is no way for an online casino to stop player with addiction problem since they don't have any idea on the condition of there player.

There's no gambler that will visit a psychiatrist or same level to consult their addiction. Smiley There's no stopping them to gamble unless someone will refer them to a professional person to have a consultation or they will fight the addiction by themselves.

Actually being addicted to gambling is common and I don't see any negative with that as long as they do well outside their gambling activity. There are lots of gamblers who always loses but still a better person in real world.


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August 12, 2021, 05:59:56 PM
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Online gambling companies that do not have measures to stop addicts from gambling all of their money should be responsible for anything that happens to them.
Almost all genuine cryptocurrency gambling sites of these days have the "begambleaware" added to their site just to keep gamblers inform with the perfect advice treatment and to also talk to someone about their gambling stats in other to prevent addiction but how many gamblers use it?

I think gambling companies should monitor their members deposits and withdrawals and limit them if they think they are in danger of losing more than they can afford.
If gambling sites don't monitor their users deposit and withdrawal limits they won't have instructed their users to do KYC when withdrawing a huge fund. I think it will be unfair if we put all this burden on gambling sites when the addicted gamblers are not helping themselves.

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You are lucky enough do not to get any worse experience in your first time playing gambling.
But other people can get a worse experience in gambling but that does not make them stop searching the other gambling site because they think that the other site will not do the same.
When they use the other gambling site, they can have fun playing the game and feel a different experience than the previous site, which makes them stay and play for more.
I think I watch ads show about winning $100 with a simple method in gambling but I do not trust it Grin
Advertising is just a promotion that is of course made as attractive as possible in order to attract many customers, whereas when we gamble a big effort to win must still be deployed because to win big in gambling is not as easy as imagined. But still, even if you see ads that win with just a simple method, but the company doesn't advertise anything about being responsible for losing its customers. Indeed, sometimes companies make promotions about cashback after being wagered or something like how much money has been spent, but that doesn't last forever so we need to be aware of and take responsibility for the choices we make in gambling and as much as possible be aware of stop and go times.
Many people are attracted to gambling because of advertising everywhere and many of them are playing without thinking what the impact they can get from gambling.
The gambling companies invite them to play gambling, but they warn their customers to always be careful and have responsibility for themselves.
Unfortunately, those gamblers seem not to care about the warning and are not aware of it and still gamble because they want to win.
The promotion about cashback is the way to attract gamblers to come back but the gamblers need to know the risk if they come back to play gambling.

Unfortunately, the gamblers are not responsible for what they did in gambling and they still continue gambling without stop.
The gamblers get attracted to the casino because their mind always thinks about how to win the games.
The casino did great work to temp the gamblers to come back to their place and tempted them to deposit more money because that means their business becomes bigger.
If the gamblers know how to responsibly while playing gambling, they will not get tempted and they can playing gambling properly without wanting to chase the win money.
Indeed! if the gambler is responsible, they can enjoy without chasing that win,

Apparently, most of the gamblers who got attached are those who feel greedy, thinking that the win that they made can always be duplicated by more wins. If they are only concerned with how addiction will hit them up, they might not get that too much engagement to this business, just a simple part of entertainment and not to exceed to that.
Greediness will always be on the gambler's side, but if they know about greed, they will prevent it from becoming bigger and eradicate it in many ways.
Currently, not many gamblers can reduce their greed when they win money instead of still trying to win more money from gambling.
Sooner or later, they will become more addicted to gambling without knowing when to solve the problem.
If they know how to play gambling to get fun, they will not become addicted.
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August 15, 2021, 01:19:15 AM
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They are asking to read and agree there T&C before player can sign up and play. People with addiction should visit psychiatrist rather than gambling.

And also there is no way for an online casino to stop player with addiction problem since they don't have any idea on the condition of there player.

There's no gambler that will visit a psychiatrist or same level to consult their addiction. Smiley There's no stopping them to gamble unless someone will refer them to a professional person to have a consultation or they will fight the addiction by themselves.

Actually being addicted to gambling is common and I don't see any negative with that as long as they do well outside their gambling activity. There are lots of gamblers who always loses but still a better person in real world.



The problem of addiction is when the affected person gets into trouble, their life gets out of control, and they usually have problems even with their own family, they sink into alcohol, drugs, among other bad things, because it is the way out they see the most. next for not having available the money that was spent to meet their basic needs.

From the traditional casinos, they have always existed at some point and these problems had been treated by the same people in some way, I think that the people who enter the casino games are under their own responsibility, that is why they must be older than age, the responsibility of the casinos by the addictors is something that falls but not 100%.






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August 15, 2021, 02:49:09 AM
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Actually being addicted to gambling is common and I don't see any negative with that as long as they do well outside their gambling activity. There are lots of gamblers who always loses but still a better person in real world.
Gambling addiction is common but this is only for people who have no control and didnt set limit on how much money are they're going to spend in gambling. The problem is if you became addicted it also affect your mental, physical and social status (so there's no way to do good in other activities) because you're focus on gambling and probably the eagerness to get back the money you lost.

Its not the casino's fault since they're only providing a platform to entertain ourselves and a chance to earn. The gambler itself is responsible for his act and should be aware of the possible consequences if he let himself be drown in gambling activity.

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These sort of arguments are just a mask to impose government surveillance everywhere. If someone is suffering from gambling addiction, then it is his duty, and the duty of the psychiatrist who is treating him to keep him away from the gambling websites. This is similar to saying that Mikhail Kalashnikov should be prosecuted for the Taliban advance in Afghanistan, since most of the terrorists are using AK-47 rifles. If the religious nuts have their way, then they will prohibit gambling, porn, alcohol, tobacco and even cinemas. Gambling addicts doesn't represent the ordinary gambler.

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August 15, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
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I am not a supporter of the fact that casinos are guilty of gambling addiction to society, but I quite understand the point of view of those who think so. On the one hand, if we ban gambling activities, it should reduce the level of gambling addiction, which will have a positive impact on society. But on the other hand banning casinos violates our freedom of choice. I think there will never be a compromise in this debate.
I do not think that banning gambling will reduce addictions related to it at all, as those people are still going to find ways to gamble, whether this is done by gambling at illegal casinos or gambling online they will still gamble, so banning gambling only has negatives, the governments lose taxes they need right now, people lose the freedom to decide when and how much to gamble if at all, while those that are addicted now not only have their addiction going but now owe money to dangerous people.

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I do not think that banning gambling will reduce addictions related to it at all, as those people are still going to find ways to gamble, whether this is done by gambling at illegal casinos or gambling online they will still gamble, so banning gambling only has negatives, the governments lose taxes they need right now, people lose the freedom to decide when and how much to gamble if at all, while those that are addicted now not only have their addiction going but now owe money to dangerous people.
Yeah, gamblers are known for innovating their own new methods to continue their gambling regardless of whatever kind of restrictions imposed to them or to access to gambling. Because, gambling addictions are that kind of severe one which will urge them to find out ways to breach any kind of restrictions. Hence, I am not thinking that gambling houses are responsible for gambler's addictions or for any kind of losses incurred during gambling. Yeah, it is all about the basic responsibilities of individual gamblers.

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I do not think that banning gambling will reduce addictions related to it at all, as those people are still going to find ways to gamble, whether this is done by gambling at illegal casinos or gambling online they will still gamble, so banning gambling only has negatives, the governments lose taxes they need right now, people lose the freedom to decide when and how much to gamble if at all, while those that are addicted now not only have their addiction going but now owe money to dangerous people.
Yeah, gamblers are known for innovating their own new methods to continue their gambling regardless of whatever kind of restrictions imposed to them or to access to gambling. Because, gambling addictions are that kind of severe one which will urge them to find out ways to breach any kind of restrictions. Hence, I am not thinking that gambling houses are responsible for gambler's addictions or for any kind of losses incurred during gambling. Yeah, it is all about the basic responsibilities of individual gamblers.
The more theyre restricted the more that they are dedicated on finding new ways on dealing with gambling specially if they are already get addicted.I dont see the reason on why gambling  companies should really be

taking the blame if someone do really get addicted on by playing?Its just a pure bullshit for people who do have this kind of idea or to someone who had been badly affected on the effects  of addiction.

You would surely be finding someone for you to blame on the time that you are experiencing some hardship on live because of a particular thing.

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