Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions

[FinneysTrueVision]

Can anyone help me get my head around what's going on with the WBO heavyweight belt?
It was held by Usyk and Parker got the interim one, but somehow, yesterday, Hrgovic defeated Joe Joyce and was announced WBO international heavyweight champion (?!). Is this a different belt, or did both Usyk and Parker get stripped of their belts? I haven't been following boxing lately so bit confused.
Fight highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB25AmrhMDs

It is a confusing situation, but basically, the sanctioning organizations made up a bunch of different titles so they would be able to collect more sanctioning fees. These belts don’t have any real prestige, but they are useful in getting fighters ranked and it gets them closer to a world title fight. The WBO international belt is not a world championship, but a lesser title for contenders that are close to getting an opportunity for a world title.

[Jating]

Can anyone help me get my head around what's going on with the WBO heavyweight belt?
It was held by Usyk and Parker got the interim one, but somehow, yesterday, Hrgovic defeated Joe Joyce and was announced WBO international heavyweight champion (?!). Is this a different belt, or did both Usyk and Parker get stripped of their belts? I haven't been following boxing lately so bit confused.
Fight highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB25AmrhMDs

Yes, as far as I know, Usyk is the regular champion and the Parker is the interim. But the funny thing is that Usyk is active, and I know that governing bodies have this interim belt if their regular champion is not that active but that is not the case on Usyk. I'm not familiar with Joyce and Hrgovic with the "international", Heavyweight champion.

I have never heard that before, what I know is that another governing body has a lot of champions before, and that is WBC. With "champion in recess" perhaps similar to a interim, or a Diamond Champion as they crafted new belt if there is a big fight between two champions.

[Baofeng]

Can anyone help me get my head around what's going on with the WBO heavyweight belt?
It was held by Usyk and Parker got the interim one, but somehow, yesterday, Hrgovic defeated Joe Joyce and was announced WBO international heavyweight champion (?!). Is this a different belt, or did both Usyk and Parker get stripped of their belts? I haven't been following boxing lately so bit confused.
Fight highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB25AmrhMDs

It is a confusing situation, but basically, the sanctioning organizations made up a bunch of different titles so they would be able to collect more sanctioning fees. These belts don’t have any real prestige, but they are useful in getting fighters ranked and it gets them closer to a world title fight. The WBO international belt is not a world championship, but a lesser title for contenders that are close to getting an opportunity for a world title.

That's why the boxing body that HE Turki is planning to put up will only have one champion and he will pattern it to the UFC with Dana White. And for sure this governing body will be hit hard, specially the corrupt WBC under the hold of Sulaiman's for years.

So I'm not surprised that another belt has been created to fit the narrative of WBO for the Joyce vs Hrgovic fight. But we all know who are the true and the unified champion in the Heavyweight division and that is Usyk.

[pawel7777]

It is a confusing situation, but basically, the sanctioning organizations made up a bunch of different titles so they would be able to collect more sanctioning fees. These belts don’t have any real prestige, but they are useful in getting fighters ranked and it gets them closer to a world title fight. The WBO international belt is not a world championship, but a lesser title for contenders that are close to getting an opportunity for a world title.

Thanks for clarifying. I'm not that much into boxing, especially not recently, and I was just flabbergasted to watch the highlights and hear Hrgovic being announced as a WBO champion and getting a belt put around his waist.
I suspected the "WBO international" belt is not the same as the actual championship belt, but introducing nonsense belts of that sort is just silly.
Personally, I welcome the idea of Saudis/Dana White (as much as I dislike the guy) starting a proper organisation and hopefully doing it right.
It feels like most of the current organisations are just money-grab schemes with not much to offer. Some of them can't even manage to get a proper, modern website.

[Baofeng]

https://x.com/DanRafael1/status/1909342883464818920

So Bivol intentionally vacated his WBC Belt, because he is supposed to be fighting Benavidez next as David is the mandatory and interim champion. Now, David is the full WBC champion.

Bivol vacated it not because he is afraid of Benavidez, but because he will be going out and fight Beterbiev for the trilogy before the end of the year and obviously, this is another big paycheck for him.

Make sense for him to pull this stunt and let Benavidez becoming the champion.

[Kemarit]

^^ Yes, Bivol vs Beterbiev needs a trilogy to settle everything. And HE Turki knows this that's why he is not also going to back the Benavidez vs Bivol fight for now. It's all about the money, on what fight is logical for this boxers to have a bigger paycheck than their last fight.

So with Benavidez becoming a regular champion, it's good for him to fight the next best fighter and so called defend the belt. Although if might not be good for him and his fans as it's just been handed to him. Nevertheless, I'm seeing in the future that either Bivol and Beterbiev can't avoid a potential fight with David Benavidez.

[Yaunfitda]

It's just that Benavidez could be the unluckiest boxer for now, Canelo doesn't want to fight him. And when we thought that Bivol is willing to go against Benavidez at LHW, he decided to vacant his belt and look for a trilogy against Beterbiev. It make sense though, I mean it might be a easier fight for Bivol now that he already cracks the code on how to beat Beterbiev and he is no longer that invincible unlike before. And also the age of Beterbiev might be a telling sign that Father time has caught up with him while Bivol is still in his prime and again, he have the blue print already. Although the winner of the rematch could potentially fight Benavidez if Turki wanted that to be the next big fight in the LHW division. So still not done yet Benavidez, maybe a fight for this year to defend his belt will be good for him.

[Baofeng]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

[bisdak40]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

Doesn't matter if you are a hardcore or casual fans, what's important that throughout boxing's history, there is always this 3rd fight and it must happen to settle the score. So in this case, it's Bivol vs Beterbiev again although there's no more 4 belt in the line.

We all know that WBC loves Canelo so they won't imposed that against Mexican vs Mexican. Also it's very corrupt, that's why they have multiple belts, even a champion that was injured was given enough time to recover and a belt and not being stripped.

[Dave1]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

Every boxers are going to be criticized anyways, so why would Bivol be bothered by those hardcore fans? or just a simply fans in the social media that for sure will tweet something negative about the 3rd fight?

Even the best of them all has been attack as some point even the greatest of them all. WBC's days are counted though, when HE Turki officially established his own boxing with the format of UFC, this governing body will be affected negatively and some of their championship for sure will jump ship to Turki because of the big money.

[Baofeng]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

Without a doubt, hardcore fans knows that, Bivol is a fighter he is not avoiding anyone specially the likes of David Benavidez, but he will get a lot of storm for not fighting him and then going for a trilogy fight with Beterbiev.

And I already see the reasoning of his naysayers, Beterbiev is not an easy opponent for him, Lol. But when he lost to Beterbiev in the first fight, they said that it's a bad decision for Bivol to get that rematch immediately.

[Fredomago]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

Doesn't matter if you are a hardcore or casual fans, what's important that throughout boxing's history, there is always this 3rd fight and it must happen to settle the score. So in this case, it's Bivol vs Beterbiev again although there's no more 4 belt in the line.

We all know that WBC loves Canelo so they won't imposed that against Mexican vs Mexican. Also it's very corrupt, that's why they have multiple belts, even a champion that was injured was given enough time to recover and a belt and not being stripped.

Yeah right, it's about how the corrupt organization that controls the potential fight they are the one who dictates which fighter to bring in against their favorite, like what you mentioned they are giving time for their champs to recover if they are injured without taking the belts and also not to fight in any mandatory they are okay waiting as long as the fight will be beneficial for them as it's always about money..

[btc_angela]

And for me, Bivol is in a no win situation here.

I mean he will be criticized for ducking Benavidez and saying that he is afraid of the Mexican Monster, which I doubt. Second, why fight a old boxer that he recently beat? But then if he didn't give Beterbiev a rematch, the same argument that he duck Beterbiev.

But at the end of the day, it's all about the money so Bivol has to choose Beterbiev and earn record paycheck again.

But hardcore fans know that Bivol isn't avoiding anyone; it's the corrupt boxing governing bodies manipulating things to their advantage. Why didn't the WBC mandate Canelo to defend his belt against Benavidez when he was the mandatory challenger? In my opinion, the real loser here is the WBC, as they won't profit from a third fight between Bivol and Beterbiev.

Doesn't matter if you are a hardcore or casual fans, what's important that throughout boxing's history, there is always this 3rd fight and it must happen to settle the score. So in this case, it's Bivol vs Beterbiev again although there's no more 4 belt in the line.

We all know that WBC loves Canelo so they won't imposed that against Mexican vs Mexican. Also it's very corrupt, that's why they have multiple belts, even a champion that was injured was given enough time to recover and a belt and not being stripped.

Yeah right, it's about how the corrupt organization that controls the potential fight they are the one who dictates which fighter to bring in against their favorite, like what you mentioned they are giving time for their champs to recover if they are injured without taking the belts and also not to fight in any mandatory they are okay waiting as long as the fight will be beneficial for them as it's always about money..

They definitely going to be benefited and it's obvious it's all about the money and prestige. So just imagine a fellow Mexican is the belt holder of the WBC which has under the gripped of the Mexican Sulaiman's for decade.

That's why they just allowed Canelo to freely chooses any opponent he likes and then him taking the lion share of the split. And I think there's no other sports that the obvious corruption is their but no one can do anything about it as they have in control.

[Fredomago]

They definitely going to be benefited and it's obvious it's all about the money and prestige. So just imagine a fellow Mexican is the belt holder of the WBC which has under the gripped of the Mexican Sulaiman's for decade.

That's why they just allowed Canelo to freely chooses any opponent he likes and then him taking the lion share of the split. And I think there's no other sports that the obvious corruption is their but no one can do anything about it as they have in control.

They've able to control things as they are good in making things seems so good as Canelo doing it so well and keeps that spark from all the fans who loves seeing him fight, that kind of connections gives them the advantage as even how corrupt they are its still them who control the fight and still be able to make money out from those selected fights that their Champs wanted to provide.

All about the  money and that kind of power that they've handling to execute those selected fights to make it believable for the fans to bite up and continue to support the organization.

[Kemarit]

They definitely going to be benefited and it's obvious it's all about the money and prestige. So just imagine a fellow Mexican is the belt holder of the WBC which has under the gripped of the Mexican Sulaiman's for decade.

That's why they just allowed Canelo to freely chooses any opponent he likes and then him taking the lion share of the split. And I think there's no other sports that the obvious corruption is their but no one can do anything about it as they have in control.

They've able to control things as they are good in making things seems so good as Canelo doing it so well and keeps that spark from all the fans who loves seeing him fight, that kind of connections gives them the advantage as even how corrupt they are its still them who control the fight and still be able to make money out from those selected fights that their Champs wanted to provide.

All about the  money and that kind of power that they've handling to execute those selected fights to make it believable for the fans to bite up and continue to support the organization.

Probably he is just a good boxer in the right era and with the help of his fellow Mexicans that control the WBC, he become a champion and then they baby him and not force him to fight some of his mandatory. And if Canelo do then for sure he will have the biggest cut on the pay and most likely the WBC also will be paid big as a sanctioning body.

So when everyone is happy, things are going to continue the way it is until someone comes along to challenge the Sulaiman. And if I'm not mistaken, there are some, but again, I'm not sure, but it's voting system to see who will be the head of this body and so they have the inside track.

[serjent05]

Probably he is just a good boxer in the right era and with the help of his fellow Mexicans that control the WBC, he become a champion and then they baby him and not force him to fight some of his mandatory. And if Canelo do then for sure he will have the biggest cut on the pay and most likely the WBC also will be paid big as a sanctioning body.
So when everyone is happy, things are going to continue the way it is until someone comes along to challenge the Sulaiman. And if I'm not mistaken, there are some, but again, I'm not sure, but it's voting system to see who will be the head of this body and so they have the inside track.

People had seen Canelo ducking boxers who seems to give him a hard fight.  The manager should be credited for this, they carefully thread way for Canelo to look great while ducking boxers that have the potential to beat Canelo.  Canelo is just lucky to have such a great scheming manager. 

Yeah right, it's about how the corrupt organization that controls the potential fight they are the one who dictates which fighter to bring in against their favorite, like what you mentioned they are giving time for their champs to recover if they are injured without taking the belts and also not to fight in any mandatory they are okay waiting as long as the fight will be beneficial for them as it's always about money..

Well, boxing sports is about business and making money, it has been like that ever since so it is not surprising that they prioritize which one will give them the most bucks.

Without a doubt, hardcore fans knows that, Bivol is a fighter he is not avoiding anyone specially the likes of David Benavidez, but he will get a lot of storm for not fighting him and then going for a trilogy fight with Beterbiev.

I think it is a wise decision for Bivol to prioritize the rematch against Beterbiev for the trilogy.  It needs to be completed anyway, plus I think his camp believes that  the fight against Benavidez wont give  the amount of money he can earn with this rematch.

[Baofeng]

Breaking news:



https://x.com/ringmagazine/status/1912079303702872535

At least we still have the rematch between the two, but this time, there's a lot at stake because Dubois is now a champion.

And with that it's another undisputed fight + Ring Magazines title. We will just have to wait for the official announcement of this fight and maybe we will create a separate thread for it.

[Fredomago]

Breaking news:



https://x.com/ringmagazine/status/1912079303702872535

At least we still have the rematch between the two, but this time, there's a lot at stake because Dubois is now a champion.

And with that it's another undisputed fight + Ring Magazines title. We will just have to wait for the official announcement of this fight and maybe we will create a separate thread for it.

Yup, That's a title match between two heavyweight champions, interesting as you said since Dubios is now also a champion there are now titles that going to be competed and for sure both fighters will not going to let go and will do everything to keep and add additional belts that they've hold.

Let see if the talk will materialize and what will be the final date for these possible upcoming event, both fans and gamblers will be waiting for the date for sure..

[bisdak40]

Breaking news:

~snip~
https://x.com/ringmagazine/status/1912079303702872535

At least we still have the rematch between the two, but this time, there's a lot at stake because Dubois is now a champion.

And with that it's another undisputed fight + Ring Magazines title. We will just have to wait for the official announcement of this fight and maybe we will create a separate thread for it.

Yup, That's a title match between two heavyweight champions, interesting as you said since Dubios is now also a champion there are now titles that going to be competed and for sure both fighters will not going to let go and will do everything to keep and add additional belts that they've hold.

Let see if the talk will materialize and what will be the final date for these possible upcoming event, both fans and gamblers will be waiting for the date for sure..

This is a fight that Usyk really wanted to happen before retiring for good. As for Dubois, he claimed that his previous fight with Usyk was somewhat unfinished because he believed he had Usyk when he landed a body shot. However, the referee ruled it as below the belt, which Dubois felt should have been scored as a knockdown. This adds an intriguing storyline to their rematch, in my opinion.