[CHESS] World Championship 2021: Carlsen Vs. Nepomniachtchi

[l3pox]

this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess)

I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past
but this is not bad per se

[KTChampions]

this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess)

I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past
but this is not bad per se

The main reason why we see the total dominance of blitz in online chess is cheaters. Given the fact that now the simplest program is capable of giving hints stronger than the best human players, it is very easy to cheat. But when you have a minute or two per game, then you obviously won't have time to cheat. Well, and to be honest, blitz is adrenaline, I like to have fun like that sometimes 

[gagux123]

was is always the worst possible outcome.

having discussed all this - and so many bans on Russia already. Do you think world can cut off from Russia?
That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well?

until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could...
but well, maybe enough of war?

would love to get back to chess on this thread.

including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too

The truth is that if strategies and types of moves were included in the thread, it would be very interesting, because not only would we be aware of a current global situation that burdens us in some way, but apart from the events of chess contests and tournaments, if at any time It goes into more technical matters, the analysis of moves and/or strategy would make the thread much more interesting for me, because I even look for the board that I have to make the moves physically, this is very interesting, besides, I have many years without chess game it would be interesting to play again or practice the possible moves according to a scenario played by experts.

Well, I'm also in favor of changing the title of this topic.
I believe we could improve the quality of this topic sharing videos, moves, tutorials and others relevants things... incredible as it may seem, I didn't know we had a topic focused exclusively on chess (which I found very interesting), because at the moment I'm learning to improve my skills in this "board game"!

[l3pox]

this Tik-tok'fication of the culture where attention spans are getting smaller is both a negative point for chess (people can't focus) and a positive one (people who want to run away from it will find it cozy and nice exercise to play chess)

I bet that with computer chess we see way more blitz and fast-chess games than in the past
but this is not bad per se

The main reason why we see the total dominance of blitz in online chess is cheaters. Given the fact that now the simplest program is capable of giving hints stronger than the best human players, it is very easy to cheat. But when you have a minute or two per game, then you obviously won't have time to cheat. Well, and to be honest, blitz is adrenaline, I like to have fun like that sometimes 

do you know lichess (and probably chess.com too) has an anti-cheat mechanism?
as far as I remember it's coded in python, you can find more information about it on their database.

I agree that blitz is adrenaline, I stopped playing late at night otherwise I can't sleep well  too much dopamine

but I think long games are also possible without cheaters.

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how is your journey going?

[Cryptock]

And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work?
It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game.

Most of kids these days are more interested in playing video games. They have all the focus of Youtube videos and they hardly have any time to play board games.
Although many people are very loud is promoting board games but how many of us actually have time to get rid of screens? Time have changed a lot.

[l3pox]

And what games do you think people have time for? Or do you propose not to play anything at all, but only to work?
It's kind of weird to hear that chess is a dying game, because if I'm on the internet chatting with a person from another country/culture and we suddenly decide to have some fun, then chess is more likely to be a common place where we can do it than any other computer game.

Most of kids these days are more interested in playing video games. They have all the focus of Youtube videos and they hardly have any time to play board games.
Although many people are very loud is promoting board games but how many of us actually have time to get rid of screens? Time have changed a lot.

well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day
limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents
have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it?

[Theones]

well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day
limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents
have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it?

I wonder how they avoid screens. Especially parent when during pandemic everyone was working from home and screen time increased drastically.
Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time.

[dbc23]

well, everyone has the same 24 hours in a day
limiting screen time for children is a mission for their parents
have you heard that on silicon valley most of the children of these parents that work at social media and tech company can't use screens at all or have very limited access to it?

I wonder how they avoid screens. Especially parent when during pandemic everyone was working from home and screen time increased drastically.
Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time.

Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away

[Cryptock]

Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away

Parents have the busy schedule and when they are tired and have a lot to take care. They give the tabs to their kids. In our country - parents prefer their kids not to go out so they turn the TV on and let the kids watch it for hours and hours. Parents are very over protective now a days and they just want their kids to be sitting in front of them, this too is affecting health of the kids as well.

[qwertyup23]

Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away

Parents have the busy schedule and when they are tired and have a lot to take care. They give the tabs to their kids. In our country - parents prefer their kids not to go out so they turn the TV on and let the kids watch it for hours and hours. Parents are very over protective now a days and they just want their kids to be sitting in front of them, this too is affecting health of the kids as well.

I think this depends on the rules and household set by the parents.

Most of my friends have parents that are lenient in way that they let them hang or do anything to the kids. But there are certain rules to be followed (e.g. curfew by this hour, etc.). Though this may be the case, the wellbeing of these children are not that affected to the point that they become problematic in the future.

Anyway not to deviate from this discussion, Chessable Masters ended with a bang with Magnus securing 8 points, defeating Jordan and and Grandelius in the process. What do you guys think of this tournament? Will Magnus certainly dominate again in this tournament like in all previous tournaments he participated in?

[KTChampions]

Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away

Everything that requires artificial efforts to maintain "interest" should die out - why is it needed if it does not interest people on a voluntary basis? But this has nothing to do with chess, if you look at YouTube or twitch, then there are a lot of young streamers who play chess and I strongly doubt that their viewers are old, most likely this is also a young audience.

[KennyR]

Praggnanandhaa defeats World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen for the second time. Amidst his eleventh grade school exam he have played Chess online and have marked the win. The second win have come within three months of the first win which was a big one. The match was towards draw, but the mistake at the end have costed Magnus Carlsen loss it. After the win Praggnanandhaa mentioned that he isn't happy with his play and he needs to improve himself to be more sharper.

[KTChampions]

Praggnanandhaa defeats World Chess Champion Magnus Carlsen for the second time. Amidst his eleventh grade school exam he have played Chess online and have marked the win. The second win have come within three months of the first win which was a big one. The match was towards draw, but the mistake at the end have costed Magnus Carlsen loss it. After the win Praggnanandhaa mentioned that he isn't happy with his play and he needs to improve himself to be more sharper.

This is not classical chess, but rapid. Losses in rapid (and blitz) chess are common for any chess player. Although of course this is a big milestone for the Indian chess player. It will be interesting to see how he progresses - maybe he is the future champion and not Firuja (who seems to be a bit stuck in talented players and still can't make a qualitative leap)?

[Cryptock]

Screens serve as the major companion for most younger generation. Reason been that most parents don't have time to make their ward appreciate the beauty of board chess game. In the absence of family time this young ones improvise into playing video games and watching YouTube videos. In this time implementing things using a forceful measure might only be an end to a dreadful home. It boils down to parents to create time out of busy schedules to make their wards appreciate board games else it just fades away

Now due to COVID and work from home routine. I feel I am loosing all the focus on the things.
There is so much distractions - emails, voice message, calls, social media that screens has made us addicted, I miss the time where there were no mobile phone and we all use to play chess together with siblings and cousins. Gone are the good days.

[gagux123]

how is your journey going?

Well.... i'm Studying a little bit every day, not too seriously!!

I'm learning some basic/intermediary moves and watching some videos on Youtube, and you!!?

[yayayo]

It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard.

ya.ya.yo!

[Cryptock]

It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard.

ya.ya.yo!

Chess is a wonderful game. We use to play it for hours during summer break when our cousin used to visit.
Those were wonderful days. Now due to distractions and screen - everything has changed. Even the kids play games on mobile and computers. Time has changed.

[LUCKMCFLY]

was is always the worst possible outcome.

having discussed all this - and so many bans on Russia already. Do you think world can cut off from Russia?
That is not possible -the are one of the biggest oil producer in the world and banning Russia is banning the oil. this is not going to work? Has EU banned buying oil from Russia as well?

until humans (specially the ones with power) don't realize that we are all dependent on each other we'll remain progressing much slower than we could...
but well, maybe enough of war?

would love to get back to chess on this thread.

including discussing chess strategies and tactics, that would be interesting too

The truth is that if strategies and types of moves were included in the thread, it would be very interesting, because not only would we be aware of a current global situation that burdens us in some way, but apart from the events of chess contests and tournaments, if at any time It goes into more technical matters, the analysis of moves and/or strategy would make the thread much more interesting for me, because I even look for the board that I have to make the moves physically, this is very interesting, besides, I have many years without chess game it would be interesting to play again or practice the possible moves according to a scenario played by experts.

Well, I'm also in favor of changing the title of this topic.
I believe we could improve the quality of this topic sharing videos, moves, tutorials and others relevants things... incredible as it may seem, I didn't know we had a topic focused exclusively on chess (which I found very interesting), because at the moment I'm learning to improve my skills in this "board game"!

Yes Well, I'm very happy that you're improving your game, the truth is that this sport is very good, besides, it requires a lot of time to improve, I see it as analogous to swimming because if you want to lose time you have to train for many hours and chess you have to train a lot to improve, unless you are a genius and you understand everything quickly and see moves in a short time, which, that skill is taken based on more training, I do not know if you have seen a series called "Queen's Gambit"? It is an excellent series, it would be very good if you saw it so you get more motivated, they show it on netflix, I really recommend it.

[KTChampions]

It's hard to imagine how good those world champions like Carlsen and that Nepo are. They are of such a high level that normal people will not be able to understand their way of thinking. I did read that Carlsen has been the world champion in classical chess for a long time. Only Kasparov has dominated this sport before I think. Nowadays a lot is done with a computer, that used to be only with books and a chessboard.

ya.ya.yo!

Nepomniachtchi is not even close to Carlsen, while Carlsen approaches (or has already reached) the level of Kasparov. As for dominance, Karpov dominated in the same way before Kasparov, but he was able to hold the lead for less time. But you are right that now the times have irreversibly changed - computer analysis has become so deep that now people use it to understand chess, while before they had to figure everything out on their own.

[l3pox]

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Also I am not sure - what is point of playing chess online - it kills the concept of board game and family time.

for me the coolest thing about playing online is being matched with people more or less my ranking, what makes the game more challenging
in real life is a bit harder for me to find people who play chess often and are good at it.

how is your journey going?

Well.... i'm Studying a little bit every day, not too seriously!!

I'm learning some basic/intermediary moves and watching some videos on Youtube, and you!!?

amazing! I'm still playing a lot, almost everyday, but want to get back to study more, I should improve my midgame and endgame
starting to get openings better lately
I'm practicing most of the times with the same opening and same defense, as advised by a friend who's really into chess (ranked about 2000 on lichess)