Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress]

[coolcoinz]

People are now booking Airbnb's in an effort to financially assist Ukrainians. While I'm not against donations, handing out your hard-earned money to some government BTC address doesn't actually guarantee you that it's being put into good use, helping those in need. As others have already mentioned, Ukraine  is one of the most corrupt nations in Europe, according to Guardian (2015), that's not the point though.

From my point of view, the Airbnb concept of donations doesn't sound bad.

When evacuation started you could pay the border guards to go first and those who had no money had to wait in lines. Ukrainians aren't saints but what point is there to make? Does anybody believe that there's less corruption in Russia? My father, who visited Russia a few times in the 90s, told me that when the police stopped a foreign car they asked for smokes and food if you had any. They'd be nice to you if offered chocolate, coca cola, cigarettes and alcohol.
Corruption is a normal thing in poor countries. It's present in Mexico, all throughout South America and in many parts of Africa. All the drug cartels wouldn't be able to thrive without politicians and military on their payrolls.

Bottom line is, we have a lot of corrupt countries, we have far right groups, we have countries that are small and weak and countries that are young, but nothing justifies what Russians are doing right now.
They are literally murdering unarmed people in broad daylight. A few days ago they shot a whole family on their way to a train station to leave the war zone. Parents and 2 children shot in the street. I saw a small child being resuscitated after a gunshot wound. Doctors were crying because they couldn't do anything. Russians targeted schools, hospitals, trucks of the red cross that carried aid, they shot and robbed a Swiss reporter, raped and killed a teenage girl. They're fucking animals.
There's a story told by a young Russian soldier who saw civilians being shot at and rushed with to help them take cover. He and the woman he was trying to protect were shot. He got wounded but survived, she did not. The woman's daughter saw it and got him help. He's now a POW, but at least will be able to look his family in the eye.

Not all of these people are bad, but this war isn't much different from the Balkans. Maybe some of you remember how the Serbs were singing songs about war criminals and murder. You can find those songs on youtube. How was that different from all those Russians with Z (zoophiles?) in their social profiles?

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[TwitchySeal]

- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
Technically true, but misleading at best. Deception comes from engaging opposing forces located inside of civilian buildings, vs just blindly carpet bombing whole cities, which is clearly not the case here. There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings. These are fare game under the law of war. Can you come up with ANY previous "operation"/war by any nation where civilian targets weren't targeted?

Please don't contribute to disseminating fakes

Wait so this is your proof that all the reports from independent journalists on the ground, global intelligence officials, and actual civilians that were shelled are lying?

There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings.

Have you considered that Putin could be targeting civilians in one area, and also, at the same time, but in a totally different area, Ukrainians could be fighting from top/inside buildings?  And when Russian state media says Ukraine is using civilians as human shields, they're just putin lies in your head?

[DaRude]

- Putin has decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA.
Fake.

- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
Technically true, but misleading at best. Deception comes from engaging opposing forces located inside of civilian buildings, vs just blindly carpet bombing whole cities, which is clearly not the case here.

Straw man. They may be not shelling whole cities but sure as shit they're hitting apartment buildings, private housing, hospitals, and people just driving the fuck away from the cities. Tell us more tales about evil forces hiding in those building though. What a pillock.

paxmao makes a claim that "Putin decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA", i refute it by providing a list of routes agreed by both sides, with many leading to Ukraine. And what do you do, you just come in with a proposed evacuation plan hoping no one would notice the difference? Way to go!

How many of those cities are fully encircled by Russia with no Ukrainian controlled links to Ukraine? Currently only Mariupol is fully besieged, and from your own diagram Russia proposed two evacuation routes from Mariupol, to Russia and Ukraine.

Russia has now fired more than 710 missiles against Ukraine and as of last night per UN reports civilian casualties are at 516 killed

Interfax Ukraine news agency earlier cited Kyrylo Tymoshenko, deputy head of the president's office, as saying a total of around 48,000 Ukrainians had been evacuated through humanitarian corridors so far

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/around-48000-ukrainians-have-been-evacuated-through-humanitarian-corridors-2022-03-09/

With that info in mind, what could be the the reason why 400,000 civilians are not allowed to evacuate Mariupol, a besieged city without food, heat, power, or water that is on a brink of humanitarian crisis?

There's only one reason that i could find that's at least as old as Geneva Convention

- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
Technically true, but misleading at best. Deception comes from engaging opposing forces located inside of civilian buildings, vs just blindly carpet bombing whole cities, which is clearly not the case here. There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings. These are fare game under the law of war. Can you come up with ANY previous "operation"/war by any nation where civilian targets weren't targeted?

Please don't contribute to disseminating fakes

Wait so this is your proof that all the reports from independent journalists on the ground, global intelligence officials, and actual civilians that were shelled are lying?

There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings.

Have you considered that Putin could be targeting civilians in one area, and also, at the same time, but in a totally different area, Ukrainians could be fighting from top/inside buildings?  And when Russian state media says Ukraine is using civilians as human shields, they're just putin lies in your head?

I consider that all the time, I don't trust Putin's claims any more than you do, and no one should, but the thing is I don't trust the other side's claims either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that civilians are not being shelled. In fact, we know for a fact that they are, and innocent people ARE dying every single day. War is hell, its never good. I'm just underlining the hypocrisy in coverage, pointing out how everyone is being activated under a hive mind, mass hysteria is being triggered to a point where people are ready to risk all human life on this blue marble. But facts just don't support the narrative of Putin as a blood thirsty monster trying to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. Every war is bad and has collateral damage, when we compare the numbers to other operations/wars there is nothing special about this one, if anything so far civilian casualties are lower when compared to other similar conflicts.

Sure all of it is bad, but if we want to stop it, shouldn't we start with the biggest offender?

Food for thought,

The largest Ukrainian diaspora is in Russia.
Since 2014, beginning of the conflict, number of Ukrainians in Russia only increased
Since the start of this "operation"/war 24 February 2022, despite checkpoints and Martial Law, 99,300 Ukrainian refugees somehow managed to flee to the aggressor Russia
48,000 Ukrainians had been evacuated from cities (but not from Mariupol)

With that in mind, ask yourself why innocent civilians are not being evacuated from Mariupol, the only besieged city with starving people. I could only come up with two options (do correct me if you can think of more)

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.
Option 2 - Army does what armies have done numerous times throughout the history when defending against a much larger force, they just don't want to die.

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[TwitchySeal]

- Putin is shelling civil targets. Please, someone out there deny this, I am eager for an excuse to post 50 photos here.
Technically true, but misleading at best. Deception comes from engaging opposing forces located inside of civilian buildings, vs just blindly carpet bombing whole cities, which is clearly not the case here. There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings. These are fare game under the law of war. Can you come up with ANY previous "operation"/war by any nation where civilian targets weren't targeted?

Please don't contribute to disseminating fakes

Wait so this is your proof that all the reports from independent journalists on the ground, global intelligence officials, and actual civilians that were shelled are lying?

There are plenty of video proofs of Ukrainian soldiers engaging from top/inside of buildings.

Have you considered that Putin could be targeting civilians in one area, and also, at the same time, but in a totally different area, Ukrainians could be fighting from top/inside buildings?  And when Russian state media says Ukraine is using civilians as human shields, they're just putin lies in your head?

Sure, i consider that all the time, I don't trust Putin's claims any more than you do, and no one should, but the thing is I don't trust the other side's claims either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that civilians are not being shelled. In fact, we know for a fact that they are, and innocent people ARE dying every single day. War is hell, its never good. I'm just underlining the hypocrisy in coverage, pointing out how everyone is being activated under a hive mind, mass hysteria is being triggered to a point where people are ready to risk all human life on this blue marble. But facts just don't support the narrative of Putin as a blood thirsty monster trying to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. Every war is bad and has collateral damage, when we compare the numbers to other operations/wars there is nothing special about this one, if anything so far civilian casualties are lower when compared to other similar conflicts.

Food for thought,

The largest Ukrainian diaspora is in Russia.
Since 2014, beginning of the conflict, number of Ukrainians in Russia only increased
Since the start of this "operation"/war 24 February 2022, despite checkpoints and Martial Law, 99,300 Ukrainian refugees somehow managed to flee to the aggressor Russia
48,000 Ukrainians had been evacuated from cities (but not from Mariupol)

With that in mind, ask yourself why innocent civilians are not being evacuated from Mariupol, the only besieged city with starving people. I could only come up with two options (do correct me if you can think of more)

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.
Option 2 - Army does what armies have done numerous times throughout the history when defending against a much larger force, they just don't want to die.

Yeah, but in response to "Putin is shelling civil targets."  you said "Technically true, but misleading at best."

It's not misleading.  Either Russian forces are intentionally shelling civilian targets or there's a very big conspiracy among all the sources I mentioned.

With that in mind, ask yourself why innocent civilians are not being evacuated from Mariupol, the only besieged city with starving people. I could only come up with two options (do correct me if you can think of more)

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.
Option 2 - Army does what armies have done numerous times throughout the history when defending against a much larger force, they just don't want to die.

I think Putin is using a very evil, but not crazy strategy of simply trying to scare the shit out of everyone.  Like you and everyone else that has to give the disclaimer "I'm not pro war" or "I'm not pro Putin" before defending Russias actions, Putin doesn't want a war.  He just want's Ukraine to surrender so he can claim victory, like he did in Crimea. 

[paxmao]

- Putin has decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA.
Fake.

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paxmao makes a claim that "Putin decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA", i refute it by providing a list of routes agreed by both sides, with many leading to Ukraine. And what do you do, you just come in with a proposed evacuation plan hoping no one would notice the difference? Way to go!
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The fact that Putin proposed such a plan is in itself a show of cynicism and bad faith. Once refugees arrive in his dominions, he would start using them for propaganda or accussing some of them of treason or use them to coerce the fighting forces and the like. I can even imagine Putin's TV showing images of how "the refugees flee from the Nazis that are killing them and come to their motherland Russia for help while we provided them with all the humanitarian aid in the world" while he starts the questioning and the torturing.

Most certainly, the fact that they were proposed is not a fake and even the wording I used was "technically correct".

Of course these routes could not be agreed by Ukraine! It is not a humanitarian corridor, is a mouse trap!

As per the latest news, several of the corridors were not actually respected.

[coolcoinz]

"We have not attacked Ukraine and we are not planning to attack other countries" said Lavrov today after another round of negotiations.
They did not come to terms and are not going to as long as Russians keep living in their bubble.

When a Russian talks about having sex he means rape, when he talks about visiting you he means breaking in, when he talks about helping you he really wants to kill you.

[Mario Vella]

Lavrov sounds even more insane than Putin.

[suchmoon]

paxmao makes a claim that "Putin decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA", i refute it by providing a list of routes agreed by both sides, with many leading to Ukraine. And what do you do, you just come in with a proposed evacuation plan hoping no one would notice the difference? Way to go!

That's absurd reasoning. If Ukraine didn't agree to the corridors that lead the residents of their cities to the country of the aggressor, that doesn't mean the fact never existed. The original claim was that Putin was offering those corridors, and they lead to Russia, and that was correct, not fake like you claimed. You just made up a couple of straw people instead of admitting that you're wrong.

How many of those cities are fully encircled by Russia with no Ukrainian controlled links to Ukraine? Currently only Mariupol is fully besieged, and from your own diagram Russia proposed two evacuation routes from Mariupol, to Russia and Ukraine.

Again, there was nothing about "fully besieged" in the original claim that you labelled as fake.

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.

Exactly. Good to see you finally coming to your senses. Read up on Russian "corridors" in Syria too, it's enlightening to say the least.

"We have not attacked Ukraine and we are not planning to attack other countries" said Lavrov today after another round of negotiations.

I'm sure Finland is happy as a cucumber to learn that they will be "not attacked" the same way as Ukraine is being "not attacked" and "totally definitely not having their civilians bombed".

[af_newbie]

Lavrov sounds even more insane than Putin.

They are all drinking from the same Soviet punch bowl.

At this point, no one should be listening to what Russians are saying.  It does not matter what they say.

It should be clear to anyone with half a brain that their objective is to exterminate Ukrainians.

But thanks to spineless NATO (No Army To Operate), Putin will continue to bleed Ukraine.

This whole situation is truly Orwellian.

We are not at war -> meaning: we are at war
We don't bomb civilian targets -> meaning: we specifically target civilian areas
We don't want to occupy Ukraine -> meaning: you bet your ass that we will annex Ukraine to Russia
We don't fire at nuclear power stations -> meaning: we did bomb them a little bit
We want peace -> meaning: there will be no peace until we win
We want to denazify Ukraine -> meaning: we need to kill all Ukrainians
We want to demilitarize Ukraine -> meaning: we need to destroy all Ukrainian army and all armed, civilian opposition
We will drop nuclear bombs on anyone who helps Ukraine -> meaning: our nuclear arsenal does not work, but you don't know about it, so...
We have the 2nd best army in the world -> meaning: we wish, but due to ongoing corruption, the state of our army is at the 1990s level
We want to negotiate -> meaning: we want Ukraine to surrender
We want to open safe corridors for civilians -> meaning: we want to know where the civilian convoys are so that we can vaporize them

The list goes on...

[Tash]

The Mid-Century German Enthusiasts of Ukraine
https://rumble.com/vwxk67-the-mid-century-german-enthusiasts-of-ukraine.html

[Etranger]

We are not at war -> meaning: we are at war
We don't bomb civilian targets -> meaning: we specifically target civilian areas
We don't want to occupy Ukraine -> meaning: you bet your ass that we will annex Ukraine to Russia
We don't fire at nuclear power stations -> meaning: we did bomb them a little bit
We want peace -> meaning: there will be no peace until we win
We want to denazify Ukraine -> meaning: we need to kill all Ukrainians
We want to demilitarize Ukraine -> meaning: we need to destroy all Ukrainian army and all armed, civilian opposition
We will drop nuclear bombs on anyone who helps Ukraine -> meaning: our nuclear arsenal does not work, but you don't know about it, so...
We have the 2nd best army in the world -> meaning: we wish, but due to ongoing corruption, the state of our army is at the 1990s level
We want to negotiate -> meaning: we want Ukraine to surrender
We want to open safe corridors for civilians -> meaning: we want to know where the civilian convoys are so that we can vaporize them

The list goes on...

We are not going to attack other countries -> meaning: it is better for the Baltic countries not to stick their heads out and prepare for possible consequences

We did not attack Ukraine either -> meaning: at 4 o'clock in the morning we began to bomb civilian objects. This is how we wanted to celebrate our Defender of the Fatherland Day

The United States is developing biological weapons and new strains of coronavirus in Ukraine -> meaning: we need some shitty fabrications to later justify the use of biological and chemical weapons against Ukraine, because the rules of war are not for us. And in general we are losing. Something must be done to bring good news to Putin. We are deathly afraid to report bad ones

We dropped bombs on the maternity hospital in Mariupol because the Nazi battalion Azov was stationed there -> meaning: we do need to destabilize the situation in Ukraine in any way to cause panic among the population and force them to go through our "humanitarian corridors" to Russia, so that we can film it and give new material to further deceive our population. Because they it start asking questions. We cannot allow that

Unfortunalely, the list goes on...

[decodx]

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What's your point? Anyone can spread false claims that media outlets have been broadcasting phony footage of Ukraine.
Perhaps you should only trust the statements of high-ranking government officials?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaking at the press conference after today's negotiations in Turkey: "We are not planning to attack other countries and we did not attack Ukraine either, we were just dealing with the issues there".

[paxmao]

"We have not attacked Ukraine and we are not planning to attack other countries" said Lavrov today after another round of negotiations.

I'm sure Finland is happy as a cucumber to learn that they will be "not attacked" the same way as Ukraine is being "not attacked" and "totally definitely not having their civilians bombed".

Yes, the whole world feels much safer now that, instead of being attacked, they will undergo a special operation, be de-nazified, give Putin part of their territory, change their constitution and, if required, change their governments to something that Putin considers more to his taste. He shall be know as Putin the pacifier.

[af_newbie]

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What's your point? Anyone can spread false claims that media outlets have been broadcasting phony footage of Ukraine.
Perhaps you should only trust the statements of high-ranking government officials?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaking at the press conference after today's negotiations in Turkey: "We are not planning to attack other countries and we did not attack Ukraine either, we were just dealing with the issues there".

Translation:  The attack on other countries is imminent.

[Gyfts]

The United States is developing biological weapons and new strains of coronavirus in Ukraine -> meaning: we need some shitty fabrications to later justify the use of biological and chemical weapons against Ukraine

I would not put chemical warfare or bioweapons past Putin. In fact, it's perfectly in line with his previous usage of nerve agents to assassinate his political opponents. However, I recall the U.S. vehemently denying funding gain of function research in Wuhan where it turns out they actually did fund experiments with bat coronaviruses. So likewise, I would not put it past the U.S. to have been funding whatever twisted experiments in Ukraine just as they were doing in China. I have yet to see any evidence of this, of course, but it's not a wild theory. It took something like a year before the NIH admitted what was going on in Wuhan.

[suchmoon]

I would not put chemical warfare or bioweapons past Putin. In fact, it's perfectly in line with his previous usage of nerve agents to assassinate his political opponents. However, I recall the U.S. vehemently denying funding gain of function research in Wuhan where it turns out they actually did fund experiments with bat coronaviruses. So likewise, I would not put it past the U.S. to have been funding whatever twisted experiments in Ukraine just as they were doing in China. I have yet to see any evidence of this, of course, but it's not a wild theory. It took something like a year before the NIH admitted what was going on in Wuhan.

Here's another talking point for you courtesy of Kremlin: US bioweapon labs in Ukraine were developing strains of bird flu to spread to Russia via migrating birds. It must be true because something something China.

Take that, chemtrail nutjobs. BIRDS!

[tvbcof]

The United States is developing biological weapons and new strains of coronavirus in Ukraine -> meaning: we need some shitty fabrications to later justify the use of biological and chemical weapons against Ukraine

I would not put chemical warfare or bioweapons past Putin. In fact, it's perfectly in line with his previous usage of nerve agents to assassinate his political opponents. However, I recall the U.S. vehemently denying funding gain of function research in Wuhan where it turns out they actually did fund experiments with bat coronaviruses. So likewise, I would not put it past the U.S. to have been funding whatever twisted experiments in Ukraine just as they were doing in China. I have yet to see any evidence of this, of course, but it's not a wild theory. It took something like a year before the NIH admitted what was going on in Wuhan.

Surely it has been posted somewhere around here already, but for those who've not seen it:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/5Qk8ebaFxpZt/

I availed of the Bulgarian reporter's work long before the covaids scamdemic which is part of the reason I suspected such a thing was actualizing back in early 2020.

I was also aware that the neocons in their work were considering ethnic targetted bio-weapons developments to be, potentially, "politically useful tools" as opposed to simple terror weapons.  That was Kagan and friends PNAC document. Kagan is one of the primary neocon and his wife, Nuland (former family name Nudelman), is who they use when a so-called 'Democrat' is in office.  She's the one who was running the 2014 Ukrainian coup and choose who would be installed as the Ukrainian 'leader' after the coup.  Now that Biden is prez she's back in and just recently admitted to the Ukraine bio-labs in an amusing clip which is all over the internet now.

[Gyfts]

It must be true because something something China.

I didn't say it was true. Recall how quickly the narrative changed after the NIH confirmed gain of function research on bat coronaviruses that took place at some point between 2014-2019. Sure, let's call that "something something China" for now. If not in China, where else might the U.S. fund gain of function research? Ukraine seems unlikely. And as I've mentioned I've yet to see any evidence, but these things hardly come as a surprise anymore.

[paxmao]

The Mid-Century German Enthusiasts of Ukraine
https://rumble.com/vwxk67-the-mid-century-german-enthusiasts-of-ukraine.html

Are you implying here in any way that Putin is not bombarding, shooting missiles and shelling Ukraine including civil buildings?

If that is the case, please say so instead of posting such a shitty excuse of a proof.

I would not put chemical warfare or bioweapons past Putin. In fact, it's perfectly in line with his previous usage of nerve agents to assassinate his political opponents. However, I recall the U.S. vehemently denying funding gain of function research in Wuhan where it turns out they actually did fund experiments with bat coronaviruses. So likewise, I would not put it past the U.S. to have been funding whatever twisted experiments in Ukraine just as they were doing in China. I have yet to see any evidence of this, of course, but it's not a wild theory. It took something like a year before the NIH admitted what was going on in Wuhan.

Here's another talking point for you courtesy of Kremlin: US bioweapon labs in Ukraine were developing strains of bird flu to spread to Russia via migrating birds. It must be true because something something China.

Take that, chemtrail nutjobs. BIRDS!

An the immediate question arises: If you plan to use birds to spread the flu - technically called a "vector" - how is that exactly going to pass onto the humans?



Or maybe



Perhaps he had the idea when...



These images are not real by the way, however who would be stupid enough to liberate a virus that would eventually hit you back??

[suchmoon]

Sure, let's call that "something something China" for now. If not in China, where else might the U.S. fund gain of function research? Ukraine seems unlikely. And as I've mentioned I've yet to see any evidence, but these things hardly come as a surprise anymore.

So why even bring this up here? Not enough COVID conspiracy threads? Zero relevance to Russia-Ukraine war, it's just words "lab" and "research" and because the other thing has the same words then let's throw it too into the dumpster fire.

This whole "I don't support Putin but <insert Kremlin propaganda almost word for word>" shtick is getting old.