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Whyte should understand that this is the one and only chance to get at a world title again if he loses the opportunity he will have a long wait to get a crack again because there's negotiation for World title unification and there's also Joshua and besides this is a Fury, considered to be the number one heavyweight champion, he should move forward get himself ready for the biggest fight of his career if he wins this one, it's like winning a lottery he will be in command and he is in a better position to deal now.
Based on the poll nobody wants to put a bet on Whyte even if he is capable of knocking out Fury, I also don't see him hitting Fury because he is to huge and to quick for Whyte.
The truth is that the one that is holding all the cards and the power is Fury, he is the champion and the one every recognizes as the best heavyweight boxer at the moment, an unification fight is on sight and we could get it as soon as the end of this year, Fury does not really need this fight and most likely it is just a way to keep himself busy until we see who is the one that wins between Usyk and Joshua. So Whyte will sign the current contract, is he getting the money that he wanted? No, but he does not have the leverage to change it, so either he accepts or he will have to wait for a very long time before having another shot for a championship.
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Votes in Poll: 21 Fury win: 20 Whyte win: 1 Draw: 0Almost all the voters in the poll say Fury will win and I cannot say that was a surprise. Still keep the votes coming in ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Whyte should understand that this is the one and only chance to get at a world title again if he loses the opportunity he will have a long wait to get a crack again because there's negotiation for World title unification and there's also Joshua and besides this is a Fury, considered to be the number one heavyweight champion, he should move forward get himself ready for the biggest fight of his career if he wins this one, it's like winning a lottery he will be in command and he is in a better position to deal now.
Based on the poll nobody wants to put a bet on Whyte even if he is capable of knocking out Fury, I also don't see him hitting Fury because he is to huge and to quick for Whyte.
The truth is that the one that is holding all the cards and the power is Fury, he is the champion and the one every recognizes as the best heavyweight boxer at the moment, an unification fight is on sight and we could get it as soon as the end of this year, Fury does not really need this fight and most likely it is just a way to keep himself busy until we see who is the one that wins between Usyk and Joshua. So Whyte will sign the current contract, is he getting the money that he wanted? No, but he does not have the leverage to change it, so either he accepts or he will have to wait for a very long time before having another shot for a championship. Take those chances rather than on choosing on waiting up for some long time.It is just an opportunity that knock through the door and dont tend to miss it out even though he knows that winning chance is slim. We are indeed waiting for that Usyk vs Joshua result and there might be some fight arrangements which would really be that interesting to watch. In regards with the poll, then i do obviously voted Fury just like on everybody sees about advantage and that edge.
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~snip~
The truth is that the one that is holding all the cards and the power is Fury, he is the champion and the one every recognizes as the best heavyweight boxer at the moment, an unification fight is on sight and we could get it as soon as the end of this year, Fury does not really need this fight and most likely it is just a way to keep himself busy until we see who is the one that wins between Usyk and Joshua. That's right. This is more like a conditioning fight for Fury. The Joshua-Usyk rematch schedule is yet to be finalized, probably happening in April or even later. After that, both fighters will still undergo some recovery time. That would take more months. So Fury will have to find another opponent to keep his body active while waiting for that possible unification. It so happened Whyte ended up the one chosen. So Whyte is really lucky he's given the opportunity to fight the champ. And not only will he be receiving the biggest paycheck in his entire career, much more than his net worth, he's also given the opportunity to upset the reigning champion. This is now or never for him so he better be giving his all.
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February 09, 2022, 02:47:10 AM |
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Whyte should understand that this is the one and only chance to get at a world title again if he loses the opportunity he will have a long wait to get a crack again because there's negotiation for World title unification and there's also Joshua and besides this is a Fury, considered to be the number one heavyweight champion, he should move forward get himself ready for the biggest fight of his career if he wins this one, it's like winning a lottery he will be in command and he is in a better position to deal now.
Based on the poll nobody wants to put a bet on Whyte even if he is capable of knocking out Fury, I also don't see him hitting Fury because he is to huge and to quick for Whyte.
The truth is that the one that is holding all the cards and the power is Fury, he is the champion and the one every recognizes as the best heavyweight boxer at the moment, an unification fight is on sight and we could get it as soon as the end of this year, Fury does not really need this fight and most likely it is just a way to keep himself busy until we see who is the one that wins between Usyk and Joshua. That's what we call A-side in boxing, he is the champion, so he has all the bargaining power in the negotiation and will get the lion share of the split, PPV. So Whyte will sign the current contract, is he getting the money that he wanted? No, but he does not have the leverage to change it, so either he accepts or he will have to wait for a very long time before having another shot for a championship.
I don't think that Whyte has some leverage here, although the split is not kinda fair, but again, he can't complain and should be happy that at least he has a crack on the best HW boxers and could be getting a good pay check. And yeah, the opportunity might not come along again.
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February 09, 2022, 10:45:00 AM |
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That is what it looks like and it is the general believe.
You shouldn't have said it general belief when we both know that one man's food is another man's poison. Do not get me wrong on that. I know some people love Whyte and will want him to win but when that opinion or wish is in tiny minority, it means majority want Fury to win. It is the total sum of the majority opinion on this fight that makes me say the general belief. Check out what the poll result is here and then feel what the public says on this one. It is going to be a Fury win.
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February 09, 2022, 07:06:11 PM |
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After Whyte, he wants the winner of Usyk/AJ and then the Francis Ngannou superfight. That would be a great ending trilogy to Tyson's career.
You think he will end his career after several fights? There is still Joseph Parker that might give Fury some troubles. What about fourth fight against Wilder? That will be hilarious and really humiliating if he wins. Situation with Fury might turn into situation with Canelo, when there are no more new opponent to beat. With Canelo, there are options to change fighting division, with Fury - doubtfully. That the only option for him to fight, Ruiz for example, looser of Usyk/AJ. It is difficult to know, I am not sure if Fury has talked about it however while the scenario that you bring is possible at the same time Fury could retire just after winning the unification fight, after all he would have reached the pinnacle of his career and there is nothing more to accomplish, because just as you point out there is no division above him to which he could move, so while I would like to see Fury for a long time, we could see an early retirement as well.
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February 09, 2022, 09:21:05 PM |
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That is what it looks like and it is the general believe.
You shouldn't have said it general belief when we both know that one man's food is another man's poison. Do not get me wrong on that. I know some people love Whyte and will want him to win but when that opinion or wish is in tiny minority, it means majority want Fury to win. It is the total sum of the majority opinion on this fight that makes me say the general belief. Check out what the poll result is here and then feel what the public says on this one. It is going to be a Fury win. Ok, now I understand your stance but in another general means universal, and is it impossible for a fighter to have a 100% chance of winning no matter how good he was. The last time I check this will their first professional together and it was logical for most boxing fans to believe Fury will be the winner of the fight but Whyte also had a chance to win until the referee decide the winner.
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Votes in Poll: 22 Fury win: 20 Whyte win: 2 Draw: 0I voted for Fury and over 90% of the voters in the poll think Fury will win. For those who have not voted, please vote ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F01%2FTransfer-News-Template-2022-01-27T112929.570.jpg%3Fw%3D660&t=665&c=KQpwWppD4-vCRQ)
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Votes in Poll: 22 Fury win: 20 Whyte win: 2 Draw: 0
I voted for Fury to win too. Those two who voted for Whyte win must be his patriotic followers who have refused to bend to what is obtainable. From the poll, no one agrees that it can be a draw. Whether win or lose, the boxers know what they are getting already. And that is not something small compared to what those who work regular day jobs at the office get. Most people will not even make that for 5 years on paid jobs whereas that is what a loser takes home in less than 1hr of being in the ring.
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Maybe some are from the UK but I think even most of those that think Whyte would win (just two votes on the poll so far) would not actually place any bets because their conviction would not be strong enough. Even though there is always a chance of an upset as one well connected punch is all it takes to end the fight and upsets can happen, the reality is Fury is an absolute fighting machine and though he might occasionally troubled by the likes of Wilder, Joshua, Usyk, Parker and even Whyte - they simply are not good enough to beat him because he is a superior technical fighter to their very limited skills. I voted for Fury to win too. Those two who voted for Whyte win must be his patriotic followers who have refused to bend to what is obtainable. From the poll, no one agrees that it can be a draw. Whether win or lose, the boxers know what they are getting already. And that is not something small compared to what those who work regular day jobs at the office get. Most people will not even make that for 5 years on paid jobs whereas that is what a loser takes home in less than 1hr of being in the ring.
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though he might occasionally troubled by the likes of Wilder, Fury, Usyk, Parker and even Whyte - they simply are not good enough to beat him
You typed his name there or there is another Fury in the heavy weight category going against the famous Gypsy king? I guess you wanted to say AJ or Andy Ruiz Jnr. By the way, why is the boxing fraternity not mentioning Ruiz any more. Is he just a flash in the pan sort of lucky guy? Talking about one punch connecting and unsettling a boxer, I do not like that happening. I want who is stronger to win and not a lucky puncher.
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February 12, 2022, 02:43:47 PM |
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That is what it looks like and it is the general believe.
You shouldn't have said it general belief when we both know that one man's food is another man's poison. Do not get me wrong on that. I know some people love Whyte and will want him to win but when that opinion or wish is in tiny minority, it means majority want Fury to win. It is the total sum of the majority opinion on this fight that makes me say the general belief. Check out what the poll result is here and then feel what the public says on this one. It is going to be a Fury win. Ok, now I understand your stance but in another general means universal, and is it impossible for a fighter to have a 100% chance of winning no matter how good he was. The last time I check this will their first professional together and it was logical for most boxing fans to believe Fury will be the winner of the fight but Whyte also had a chance to win until the referee decide the winner. Anything is possible and especially in heavyweight, one good one and it can be over. Fury is very easy to hit on the left hook and Dillian Whyte has a great left hook. Actually I prefer Fury, but I have to admit Whyte is also not an easy opponent because he is a patient fighter and a fighter full of emotions and wild usually easily loses to a patient one because it doesn't drain and he just waits for the right time. and whoever wins is the best and being the favorite doesn't always win depending on the opponent.
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February 12, 2022, 09:14:11 PM |
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Ok, now I understand your stance but in another general means universal, and is it impossible for a fighter to have a 100% chance of winning no matter how good he was. The last time I check this will their first professional together and it was logical for most boxing fans to believe Fury will be the winner of the fight but Whyte also had a chance to win until the referee decide the winner.
Anything is possible and especially in heavyweight, one good one and it can be over. Fury is very easy to hit on the left hook and Dillian Whyte has a great left hook. Actually I prefer Fury, but I have to admit Whyte is also not an easy opponent because he is a patient fighter and a fighter full of emotions and wild usually easily loses to a patient one because it doesn't drain and he just waits for the right time. and whoever wins is the best and being the favorite doesn't always win depending on the opponent. You totally get my point when I said Whyte has a chance in this fight because Fury can easily drain his energy when fighting him and I hope his train warns him about this aspect because Whyte is a fighter that always waits for the moment he can utilize his chance. Therefore, if Fury is going to win this fight he must not underestimate Whyte or after an early win.
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Fury is very easy to hit on the left hook and Dillian Whyte has a great left hook.
You make me laugh the way you said that. Maybe you should go ask Deontay Wilder to find out how easy Fury's left jaw is. The way I see it, Whyte is going to lose the fight easier than Wilder got taken out in the trilogy with Fury. Even Wilder will punish and defeat Whyte if they are matched for a fight in the ring. Fury is a stronger boxer in resilience and ability to soak up pressure than Whyte.
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~ Anything is possible and especially in heavyweight, one good one and it can be over. 32 fights and no one was able to defeat him and his opponents were not bumps like he always says but those fighters who were considered the best during that period of time when they fought Tyson Fury and now was able to land that good one . Fury is very easy to hit on the left hook and Dillian Whyte has a great left hook. Actually I prefer Fury, but I have to admit Whyte is also not an easy opponent because he is a patient fighter and a fighter full of emotions and wild usually easily loses to a patient one because it doesn't drain and he just waits for the right time. and whoever wins is the best and being the favorite doesn't always win depending on the opponent.
Tyson Fury is the best Heavy Weight boxer of all time, a man who could move like a lighter weight fighter even at 6 feet 9 inch and he finds a way to win the fight somehow is a talent in itself. All the legendary greatest boxers had losses in their career but it looks like Tyson Fury could end up being undefeated when he hangs his career. Will see if that left hook will land in the face of Tyson, i bet there is no way that is going to land.
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By the way, why is the boxing fraternity not mentioning Ruiz any more. Is he just a flash in the pan sort of lucky guy? Talking about one punch connecting and unsettling a boxer, I do not like that happening. I want who is stronger to win and not a lucky puncher.
Unfortunately for him that is what he is, he made a great job during the first fight against Joshua however Joshua made a lot of mistake during that fight, the first one was to fight Ruiz so suddenly, after all we must remember that Joshua was to fight another boxer but then Ruiz had to be called to fight, the second is that his training was all wrong and instead of a boxer he looked like a body builder and his stamina was low, and finally he made a mistake with his strategy that allowed Ruiz to give him several good punches that leaved him in a bad condition for the rest of the fight. However during the second fight Joshua avoided all of those mistakes and won easily, while Ruiz was incredibly heavy denying his best asset which was the speed of his hands, if Ruiz had done a good job on the second fight and still lost I think people will be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and would like to see him fight against some of the big names of the heavyweight division, but after what we saw on the second fight this makes no sense.
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February 18, 2022, 11:08:32 AM |
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I never paid attention to the flags on the belt. They represent country of those who participate in "race to become a champion" or this is just flags of all countries in he world (seems little) ? Stanley cup has names of all its winners. If this is these are countries of champions, then I cant remember anyone from Cyprus being a boxing world heavy champ.
I like that the belts leather if white (sorry BLM, that is not that case), looks new and fresh. Previous green looked cheap. Dont know why they put two flowers. Pictures of former champs looked great also. Too bad the belt cant fit all of them.
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February 20, 2022, 12:58:41 AM |
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This is just a commemorative belt to celebrate British boxers, the WBC will replace the "Union Belt" after Fury vs Whyte takes place with another design. I think having names on the belt might not be appropriate now because previous champions never held the belt with their name on it. As far as the flags are concerned maybe it is do with places where fights took place or people connected with WBC had connections there or maybe just displaying the international appeal of boxing. For me the white leather of the new Union Belt brings a new look, will the WBC stick with it in future fights long after Fury vs Whyte has been fought? I never paid attention to the flags on the belt. They represent country of those who participate in "race to become a champion" or this is just flags of all countries in he world (seems little) ? Stanley cup has names of all its winners. If this is these are countries of champions, then I cant remember anyone from Cyprus being a boxing world heavy champ.
I like that the belts leather if white (sorry BLM, that is not that case), looks new and fresh. Previous green looked cheap. Dont know why they put two flowers. Pictures of former champs looked great also. Too bad the belt cant fit all of them.
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