PH banned online cockfighting - Worst gambling-related cases recorded!

[South Park]

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We cannot know the feelings of the animals used for betting. But it seems sadistic to use animals to satisfy our desire to gamble. This may be similar to the ancient gladiators fighting each other to be the strongest.

Betting using animals is a game that has been around for a long time and now, with a few modifications, gamblers continue to use it to gamble.

It depends, if the animals are just racing against each other or they are doing another activity that does not put them at risk then I do not see too much of a problem with it, however when the animals are forced to fight then that is when this becomes really problematic, as they are being breed, trained and forced to fight, and I am sure this does not sit well with a great deal of people.

[ipanks]

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If so, then it won't be a problem. What will be a problem is the number of people who still use animals to fight for their satisfaction and sacrifice animals. We may have often seen the animals dying after the fight and there was no further treatment and the animals tended to be left alone. That is why it seems that it is no longer suitable for such traditional betting in this day and age because everything has changed.

[carlisle1]

I believe the online cockfighting started because they are finding a way to still continue doing operations in the midst of the pandemic. And I am still in doubt that this would be stopped successfully. I have heard that the current administration is not so clean with regards to its intentions, and that many government officials are also involved or behind such cockpit hubs. At the end of the day, it would depend on the citizens if they will still continue to support such activity.

Online cockfighting in the Philippines has been giving a lot of revenues and big income for the country, but recently worst cases have been reported that made it more controversial. But i don't agree on banning this, even if i'm not into cockfighting but i do think that in events like this, the government can resort into  putting more restrictions on cockfighting, and banning it totally is not the solution. In the first place, the gamblers themselves should also be responsible enough to set limitations so they can control their losses.

Don't worry mate, cockfighting in the Philippines is still legal in only specific venues around the Philippine archipelago and this coliseums won't operate everyday just like the traditional time. They are only banning the online sabong or they rather call it as E-Sabong because people can have an easy access on its site as long as you're just 18 years old above and have an online platform called GCash.

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

It's better to know that the newly elected president value the decision of our outgoing one, the ban should be continued, it's a moral

obligation of the upcoming government the money that they earned from this business, the taxation can be covered in other ways.

Philippines still have lots of alternative if the focus is on how to gather fund, though the income of the government from the tax of

this business is really huge.

[freedomgo]

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We cannot know the feelings of the animals used for betting. But it seems sadistic to use animals to satisfy our desire to gamble. This may be similar to the ancient gladiators fighting each other to be the strongest.

Betting using animals is a game that has been around for a long time and now, with a few modifications, gamblers continue to use it to gamble.

It depends, if the animals are just racing against each other or they are doing another activity that does not put them at risk then I do not see too much of a problem with it, however when the animals are forced to fight then that is when this becomes really problematic, as they are being breed, trained and forced to fight, and I am sure this does not sit well with a great deal of people.

The risk of animals getting tortured is actually the same with ones who are just racing with each other just like horse racing, these horses are trained in harsh conditions in additional of using some whip to discipline the horses. So, it's still an animal cruelty but does the people or government care about this? I think the answer would be, NO.

[agustina2]

The risk of animals getting tortured is actually the same with ones who are just racing with each other just like horse racing, these horses are trained in harsh conditions in additional of using some whip to discipline the horses. So, it's still an animal cruelty but does the people or government care about this? I think the answer would be, NO.

These horses are trained in a well-developed environment. There's no way the horse owners who are putting big money here and in the end, will do some bad treatment on their horses.  Contrary to what are you saying, they will do everything to make these horses fit in the race.

You as an owner for example and spending lots of money on your horse, do you want your horse to be trained in a harsh condition? Of course, no.

How can you win if you will treat your horses badly during the preparation time?

[passwordnow]

These horses are trained in a well-developed environment. There's no way the horse owners who are putting big money here and in the end, will do some bad treatment on their horses.  Contrary to what are you saying, they will do everything to make these horses fit in the race.

You as an owner for example and spending lots of money on your horse, do you want your horse to be trained in a harsh condition? Of course, no.

How can you win if you will treat your horses badly during the preparation time?

I do agree that if you own horses, you will treat them very well so that they are in good condition before they set a race.
But the unfortunate event comes to these horses that sometimes they die unexpectedly, maybe from too much exhaustion and tiredness. I am not supporting this as I am with those people that just let the animals live on their habitat.

[harizen]

But the unfortunate event comes to these horses that sometimes they die unexpectedly, maybe from too much exhaustion and tiredness. I am not supporting this as I am with those people that just let the animals live on their habitat.

Maybe there are other reasons. The horse breed that fits for horse racing is capable to run even on the longest track allowed at horse racing. And these horses are only allowed to race 1 to 2 times per day and they will be set again for the race after a day period.

There are really unfortunate things that happened in horse racing but I doubt that was all intentional or if owners want it to happen. Or maybe someone is doing irregularities behind the shadows against their opponents which is possible to happen.

[Rufsilf]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

[Japinat]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

[carlisle1]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Logically right poor people, even in the real world sabong, are mostly the participants of this kind of gambling.

They are most willing to try their luck and hope that they can easily double their funds with luck, unconsciously

realized that instead of using the money to buy food for their family, they lose everything and find themselves

problematic in finding how to cover those lose money. It's better this way, limits the access of those people who got

addicted and give them time to have a normal life.

[Peanutswar]

I have read somewhere the newly elected president and its administration will still ban the online sabong just like what the outgoing administration did. Sure the Philippines need the revenue but they cannot afford the consequence.

Before there was no E-Sabong here in the Philippines that's why I think the revenue coming here will be easily covered by the government. Supposed to be one of the good sources of revenue for the government during the pandemic but ended up in a worst result to the lives of people.

I don't see a declined revenue here because like I said, the hype of e-sabong was just around 2 years in operation here.

People here already accept that there's no e-sabong right now because there are still lots of e-gambling here as an alternative.

Certainly the revenue of E-Sabong has been a big help in the Philippines and it will still be of help if its operation will continue but the effect is just too great to deal as it is the lives of people we are talking and the government couldn't afford that kind of result.

The government can still find another alternative on where to find some good clean revenues without destroying some lives along the way, there's still a lot of option though.

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Logically right poor people, even in the real world sabong, are mostly the participants of this kind of gambling.

They are most willing to try their luck and hope that they can easily double their funds with luck, unconsciously

realized that instead of using the money to buy food for their family, they lose everything and find themselves

problematic in finding how to cover those lose money. It's better this way, limits the access of those people who got

addicted and give them time to have a normal life.

Before there was only casual gambling with the cockfight and people see this as entertainment to them and satisfaction and now recently due to the pandemic there's an entertainment born which is the online cockfight and most of the people enjoy this because they can now make a wage through a specific website or platform by that many people too enjoying because of the affiliate program offers the invite can earn through this that's why its a win win situation for the everyone but again its gambling anything can happen due to being greedy.

[passwordnow]

But the unfortunate event comes to these horses that sometimes they die unexpectedly, maybe from too much exhaustion and tiredness. I am not supporting this as I am with those people that just let the animals live on their habitat.

Maybe there are other reasons. The horse breed that fits for horse racing is capable to run even on the longest track allowed at horse racing. And these horses are only allowed to race 1 to 2 times per day and they will be set again for the race after a day period.

There are really unfortunate things that happened in horse racing but I doubt that was all intentional or if owners want it to happen. Or maybe someone is doing irregularities behind the shadows against their opponents which is possible to happen.

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

[goaldigger]

But the unfortunate event comes to these horses that sometimes they die unexpectedly, maybe from too much exhaustion and tiredness. I am not supporting this as I am with those people that just let the animals live on their habitat.

Maybe there are other reasons. The horse breed that fits for horse racing is capable to run even on the longest track allowed at horse racing. And these horses are only allowed to race 1 to 2 times per day and they will be set again for the race after a day period.

There are really unfortunate things that happened in horse racing but I doubt that was all intentional or if owners want it to happen. Or maybe someone is doing irregularities behind the shadows against their opponents which is possible to happen.

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

[passwordnow]

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

[Johnyz]

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

There’s no thrill if its digital and this is the thinking of many, that’s why they continue to gamble even if its illegal. Some operator are caught for still in operation, I hope the law enforcement will do something about it because if they caught some operators most probably the bettor will start to stop playing because of being afraid to put in a jail. Yes, there’s a huge money here and its good that the government stop this one even if they are going to lose money as well, this is for the benefit of many.

[Mahanton]

If there are irregularities being done by its care taker, we'll know it based on the reaction of the horse. Going to the main topic about cockpit, this is more brutal gambling. It's requiring one to hurt the other to have a winner. I know this is a crazy idea but they can't make a virtual one where it's like computer generated cocks and fights so that there will be no hurting anymore for these roosters?

Most probably if they are going to invent a digital cockfighting, the house will have a huge odds for winning and some bettor don’t want this one and that’s why they keep betting on a traditional one. Even the banned made by the president there’s still news about illegal activities of these online cockfighting which I think can’t really eliminate now, if there’s a strong law regulating this most probably they wont try to gamble again. Online cockfighting has been a big issues since the pandemic started, now that its banned let’s hope that bettor will start to recover mentally for all the stress their acquired from this.

Yeah, that's one problem but like having a hash to verify the fairness of that match. Just like what we have in casinos to have it verified the provably fair for each of those bets that we make.
As for the banning policies, it won't really have a full stop for the operation of these casinos or operators. They're making a huge money and that's not going to stop them operating despite the ban. They won't let pass the big money they are earning from it.

There’s no thrill if its digital and this is the thinking of many, that’s why they continue to gamble even if its illegal. Some operator are caught for still in operation, I hope the law enforcement will do something about it because if they caught some operators most probably the bettor will start to stop playing because of being afraid to put in a jail. Yes, there’s a huge money here and its good that the government stop this one even if they are going to lose money as well, this is for the benefit of many.

Government had started on cracking up these online sites which do involved this e-sabong/cockfighting but due to the easy accessibility of this world due to internet then it couldnt really easily get rid of it because
people would continually create new one if there's something that had been closed which people who do love to play online sabong will eventually find it out and able to make out bets again.
Im seeing some news that it is really still continually existing or happening despite of such ban and prohibition which it couldnt really be stopped so easily.

[harizen]

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

No mate. If we have to focus on the case here in PH, the majority of those who got wrecked their lives came from rich families and mid-level. How can the poor even sustain their e-sabong activity if they don't have any source of income? No one will also lend them money since they can't show any assurance that they can pay it later on. In other words, poor people only spend less "IN TOTAL" compared to the mid-level or those who are earning average salaries here.

Those people that do have the financial capability of doing gambling are the "most" victims here, not the poor ones.

When the news came out that there will be a ban on online cockfighting, almost all cases I have seen are not on poor families. Those who got wrecked their lives sell their stuff like cars, cellphones, and properties - are they poor? No.

[goinmerry]

There's news recently that there are still hard-headed operators who are doing and operating online cockfighting. The authorities were able to hunt them down but their registered players are just a few since it's risky to make marketing for it by those agents. People are also questioning the legitimacy of these operators that's why they are hesitant to bet.

And there's also news that the upcoming new PH government will totally ban online cockfighting for good and that was favored by the majority.

[ethereumhunter]

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Yes, many poor people have gambled using traditional gambling games and have forgotten their basic needs that must be bought. If they won, they would certainly get a lot of money. But if they lost, then their loss could be big and it would be hard to get back. All they could do was stay away from gambling, all gambling before they had self-control in that corridor.

[Fredomago]

Though it's a big help but we cannot deny the fact that it's not good for the poor, why? Because majority of the audience of e sabong are poor people, instead of using their money for the basic needs, they try to gamble it hoping that they'll win which we know gamblers would lose most of the time, so it's not really good.

Yes, many poor people have gambled using traditional gambling games and have forgotten their basic needs that must be bought. If they won, they would certainly get a lot of money. But if they lost, then their loss could be big and it would be hard to get back. All they could do was stay away from gambling, all gambling before they had self-control in that corridor.

Looking for luck, I guess? But most of the time, the luckier is the one who facilitates the gambling business. Later, those gamblers realize that they are already out of control and they already lose lots of money. Just how you describe it, poor people who lose their money in gambling do have more problem to face.

The money is not allocated for gambling, but due to un-control decisions, they just lose it and add it to their problem.