Wheat War I is going to be World War III

[stompix]

The US LNG exporters and Qatar is going to be bitterly disappointed, as they were dreaming of prices in the vicinity of $2,500 per thousand cubic meters.

So this move where the gas gets cheaper is bad for the US and of course is bad for Europe too because, well reasons.....

I have to bow myself down to the god of all logic:
- Russia cuts the gas, the price goes over $2500, wait who uses cubic feet in European deliveries?  , so Europe is fucked
- Russia is not cutting the gas, gas goes down in price as deposits are getting full, and both Europe and the US, and Qatar are screwed.
- Russia is out of potatoes, Europe will die of hunger
- Russia can't afford to put airbags in their cars, European industry is collapsing

EU guys were getting paranoid for no concrete reason.Now Russia is at a higher moral ground.

Yeah, they have the moral high ground since February 18th when they were publishing pictures of their army retreating to their bases in Russia and calling the west paranoid over a possible invasion of Ukraine.

Russia will not cut the gas to Europe, they know this is their last card and if they lay it they have nothing.
Just like a blackmailer who threatens you, it will release something or it will bomb something unless you give him money, the moment he actually blows up the bomb he knows he won't be getting anything. Same with Russia, if it cuts the gas it's the end of it, there is nothing more to threaten the west and nobody will want to deal with them again because if they do cut it once who guarantees it won't happen again!

So your dream of half of the population of Germany freezing to death will not happen either!

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[Sithara007]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

[Argoo]

@be.open. It is a little strange that you need to prove something that is not disputed even now by the highest political and military leadership of Russia. In social networks, there is also a lot of evidence from the Russian army that before the invasion of Ukraine they were told that the people of Ukraine would meet them as liberators with flowers and that this "special operation" would take several days, and therefore they were provided with dry rations for three days . (True, these dry rations had an expired shelf life of several years). In addition, the military leadership of Russia did not worry about organizing the food for its troops during the seizure of Ukraine. Already when the Russian troops met a worthy rebuff from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and got bogged down in protracted battles in Ukraine, an order was issued for the invaders to provide themselves with food, that is, to rob shops and the population in Ukraine.

Russian intelligence was very wrong about the resistance of the Ukrainians because the Kremlin generously funded the subversive work in Ukraine. Only to one of the leaders of the opposition party in Ukraine, Medvedchuk, the Putin regime allocated about five billion dollars for the corresponding work on the unhindered occupation of Ukraine. This money was appropriated, and in return, cheerful reports were sent to Russia about the success of the work done. This was also the basis for Putin's subsequent decision to attack Ukraine.

And now Putin does not know how to end the war he unleashed, because he is suffering a military defeat in it. By the way, Russian troops did not capture Kyiv. They reached the suburbs of Kyiv, but soon they were defeated there and expelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia now explains the shameful escape from the central and northern regions of Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill. As well as the flight from the captured Zmeiny Island after the sinking of the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moskva" and several smaller ships and boats. It seems that the Kremlin will also explain the flight from all over Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill.

[be.open]

@be.open. It is a little strange that you need to prove something that is not disputed even now by the highest political and military leadership of Russia. In social networks, there is also a lot of evidence from the Russian army that before the invasion of Ukraine they were told that the people of Ukraine would meet them as liberators with flowers and that this "special operation" would take several days, and therefore they were provided with dry rations for three days . (True, these dry rations had an expired shelf life of several years). In addition, the military leadership of Russia did not worry about organizing the food for its troops during the seizure of Ukraine. Already when the Russian troops met a worthy rebuff from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and got bogged down in protracted battles in Ukraine, an order was issued for the invaders to provide themselves with food, that is, to rob shops and the population in Ukraine.

Russian intelligence was very wrong about the resistance of the Ukrainians because the Kremlin generously funded the subversive work in Ukraine. Only to one of the leaders of the opposition party in Ukraine, Medvedchuk, the Putin regime allocated about five billion dollars for the corresponding work on the unhindered occupation of Ukraine. This money was appropriated, and in return, cheerful reports were sent to Russia about the success of the work done. This was also the basis for Putin's subsequent decision to attack Ukraine.

And yet, can you provide such proof? Not in the form of fantasies of employees of the center of psychological operations from social networks, but in the form of official statements of any high-ranking officials from Russia?

And now Putin does not know how to end the war he unleashed, because he is suffering a military defeat in it. By the way, Russian troops did not capture Kyiv. They reached the suburbs of Kyiv, but soon they were defeated there and expelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Russia now explains the shameful escape from the central and northern regions of Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill. As well as the flight from the captured Zmeiny Island after the sinking of the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet "Moskva" and several smaller ships and boats. It seems that the Kremlin will also explain the flight from all over Ukraine as a gesture of goodwill.

There will be no more goodwill gestures, Ukraine did not use its chance.

[STT]

It was never a good idea for Germany to rely on Russia for energy to this extent, current events emphasize that but it was true a year, a decade or twenty years ago that energy security is important to an economy and they simply acted poorly chasing prices.  Path of least resistance is often going to put a country down a drain, no special take on what is Russia doing now or next required to observe that  repeated effect.

the Saudis will increase their production to 13 million barrels per day by 2027

If prices remain elevated above 100 for many years it would be places like Venezuela or other challenging production that probably combats the highest prices from occurring.  Venezuela  has larger reserves of oil then Saudi Arabia but SA has the cheapest production where as we know Venezuela is another car crash government failed economy, I'd hope they can turn that around.  Similarly Nigeria, Libya or other challenging areas like parts of Canada would lead to higher production I would expect higher commodity prices promote  greater production for oil, wheat or anything but the short term shock effect especially where we had poor planning is unfortunate.


https://newsrnd.com/life/2022-07-21-turning-to-wheat--ukraine-and-russia-sign-the-agreement.HyIu9Xw3c.html

[be.open]

It was never a good idea for Germany to rely on Russia for energy to this extent, current events emphasize that but it was true a year, a decade or twenty years ago that energy security is important to an economy and they simply acted poorly chasing prices.  Path of least resistance is often going to put a country down a drain, no special take on what is Russia doing now or next required to observe that  repeated effect.

On the one hand, this is true, but on the other hand, this is what made Germany the leader and locomotive of the European Union. Also, do not forget that the European Union has very strong antitrust laws, including in terms of energy security. The heavy reliance on Russian energy supplies in Germany has been formed not so much by Russian efforts as by the efforts of the Green Party, which made an adventurous bet on renewable energy that did not work. According to the IMF, the complete rejection of Russian gas will cost Germany a loss of 4.8% of GDP (this is more than the estimate of the reduction in Russia's GDP from all Western sanctions).

However, we digress from the red thread of this topic. In the meantime, with the mediation of Turkey, the issue with the export of Ukrainian wheat seems to have been resolved. The talk was about a measly 20 million tons (Russia has already exported twice as much this year).

[stompix]

The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves.

Again with the predictions, master strategist?
Should I offer you for the third time a bet that what you predict as always will not happen?
Since you've posted this shit about 10000 times I guess it earned you enough to put a 0.1BTC where your mouth is, or as always you're all talk and no spine?

And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete.

Oh yeah, german manufacturing will be completely destroyed because the 2.2 trillion economies will have to pay 31 billion more on gas.
Out of which 15% goes to electricity that can be prepared and 30% goes to heating which is not doing any manufacturing at all.

Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy, their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

How long can an 18 trillion economy subsidize energy imports when all the exports of fossil fuel from Russia are worth 300 billion? Yeah, lol.
Again, you're just blabbing the same mantra about cheap products ignoring one fact!

European products have never been cheaper that the competition! Never!
People buy German machinery not because it's cheaper they buy it because the Germans are the only ones that make it in some cases and they buy it for the quality. Nobody buys a Mercedes because is cheap, nobody buys Siemens turbine ...lol, why do you think China imports so much from Germany?
The EU industry will collapse? Then you could say goodbye to chips as ASML is the only company in the world that builds lithography equipment for both Samsung and TSMC.

However, we digress from the red thread of this topic. In the meantime, with the mediation of Turkey, the issue with the export of Ukrainian wheat seems to have been resolved. The talk was about a measly 20 million tons (Russia has already exported stolen twice as much this year).

FTFY. You're welcome.

[pooya87]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

It's not stupidity though; it's just that 95% of European regimes are caught up in a much bigger game. Their countries have been a pawn in that game ever since WWII. So for example England that doesn't rely on Russian energy like Germany does could force rules upon the union to ban such imports. Germany that is desperate for the energy is too weak and lacks independence to oppose it. If such rules were to be enforced on them, it'd their country that falls apart.

It's the repetition of what happened to Lithuania. Those who are sitting far away in safely forced Lithuania to increase tensions with Russia and Lithuania was too weak to oppose that decision apart from some statements in the media. After nukes were stationed in Belarus and assets moved in place to invade Lithuania or at least take the Suwałki Gap the decision had to be reversed or risk the Union falling apart!
(If this sounds very similar to what happened to Ukraine that's because it is.)

This is why some analysts believe that European Union could be coming to an end. Specially if it continues benefiting one or two countries while ruining the rest.

[DrBeer]

I already want to smoke that shit you smoke too.  

Translation for wishful thinking: Saudi Arabia will adhere to the oil production schedule under the current OPEC + plan, while the crown prince promised Biden to increase capacity to 13 million barrels by 2027. In the language of diplomacy, this means politely sending a fuck so that the interlocutor has the taste of forest berries in his mouth.

That is, you are tired of eating shit, decided to smoke it? No no no - until the end of your life, slurp it with a big spoon from a deep pan of Russian propaganda
You can translate texts however you like. Look for the most illogical logical conclusions. You can just out of habit invent and lie. There is only one problem - reality does not change from your lies! How could you not! Only your artificial false little world is changing, within the framework of Russia!
And there will be an increase in oil production. This is a classic spiral of history - at the last turn of history, the rotten USSR was easily and naturally sent to the next world. And sending a pathetic backward Russia after the USSR will not be a big deal

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And what can Ukraine offer Russia in exchange for a ceasefire other than complete surrender? I do not think that a temporary truce will be of interest to Russia when its current military doctrine is showing its effectiveness. In addition, Odessa has a bill for the House of Trade Unions in 2014, and Ukraine will have to pay this bill in full.

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

[bitgov]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

Whatever it is - this game has put all the world in very difficult situation
The power game is horrible and results are more horrible - everywhere people seem to be in trouble - the covid war was not over and we came into another war and than another crisis and so on and so forth.

[bitgov]

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

Now - Biden after creating all the mess has rushed to the Saudia for oil and gas supply. And Saudia did a good answer too.
I was saying in the forum that everyone wants ban on Russia - where Russia is not a weak country and they oil and gas. So now the whole European Union including the USA is in trouble.

[bboyz]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

[pooya87]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine can give freedom to the peoples enslaved by Russia! Ukraine can enable Russia to forget its Nazi greatness and become, in a few decades, a more or less adequate country. Ukraine will allow Russia to return to its historical past - a gray Asian country on the outskirts of civilization
About Odessa - yes, for trying to bring peace to the Russians in Odessa, Russia will also pay in full, and even more Rashists will be sent to the next world. Just don’t start your propaganda fable about “crucified boys” and “raped grandmothers”, so beloved by all Russians

Now - Biden after creating all the mess has rushed to the Saudia for oil and gas supply. And Saudia did a good answer too.
I was saying in the forum that everyone wants ban on Russia - where Russia is not a weak country and they oil and gas. So now the whole European Union including the USA is in trouble.

I have to disappoint you You can treat Biden differently, but the result of his trip to Saudi Arabia has already yielded results. Yes, and I’ll disappoint you again - Iraq also INCREASED THE SUPPLY OF OIL TO EUROPE

"Saudi Arabia and Iraq increased oil exports to Europe
July 23, 2022, 01:26
Saudi Arabia and Iraq are increasing oil supplies to the European market, where buyers are gradually abandoning energy imports from Russia, Bloomberg reports, citing shipping tracking data.

Saudi Arabia is sending oil tankers to Egypt, where it will enter the Sumed pipeline, which connects the Ain Sokhna terminal, located on the Red Sea, with the Mediterranean port of Sidi Kerir. There, the oil is again loaded onto tankers and sent to buyers from Europe. In the first three weeks of July, more than 1 million barrels of oil per day flowed through the pipeline, which is twice the volume recorded for the same period in 2021, Bloomberg notes. Compared to the previous month, the volume of oil pumped through Sumed increased by about 200,000 barrels per day, TASS reports.

Iraq, unlike Saudi Arabia, supplies oil to the European market only by sea. In July, tankers sailing from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean through the Suez Canal carried about 1.2 million barrels of oil per day. Most of this oil was shipped in Iraq, according to Bloomberg. Thus, the total volume of oil supplies from the Middle East to Europe could grow to 2.2 million barrels per day, which is almost 90% more than in January 2022.
....."
https://vz.ru/news/2022/7/23/1168999.html


The funny thing is that the SA and Iraq will now FOREVER occupy this niche with good prices, and Russia has FOREVER lost this market and these volumes, and is now forced to either reduce oil production or continue to sell it for a penny to China and India, which simply have Russia as they want, because Russia has no more normal buyers

[bboyz]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

There is no need to look for deep meanings under this beautiful step taken in the name of humanity.

Türkiye is a self-sufficient country in grain production. If Turkey wanted to, it could turn its back on this problem. But this behavior would not be good behavior for the rest of the world. Also, Türkiye is almost the only country that can have diplomatic relations with Russia and Ukraine at the same time. We need to be able to talk to solve problems. So, whatever the problem, we should not close the channels of dialogue. Also, Türkiye is the only country in the region to fight terrorist organizations such as YPG, PKK and DAESH at the same time. These organizations have harmed thousands of civilians. They are the common problem of humanity. Türkiye cares about security in the region and is making efforts for it. Ships that will act under the control of Türkiye will follow a safe route. Russia and Ukraine have no doubts about this. As a result, there would be no better mediator for this problem.

[DrBeer]

The grain crisis has been resolved for now. Turkey's mediation softened the atmosphere. A way of salvation has been opened for people who are in danger of a grain crisis. Also, normalization in grain prices started after this diplomatic initiative. I call it a good day for humanity.

https://youtu.be/JXjO_nohjCk

I wouldn't jump into conclusion that everything is resolved just like that, specially since Erdogan was brought to Iran to be reprimanded and considering that he has lost everything in the new world order and he was threatening to destabilize Syria and Iraq a bone had to be thrown for him to bite on for the time being.

Nevertheless, this was a small positive news ~2 weeks ago.

There is no need to look for deep meanings under this beautiful step taken in the name of humanity.

Türkiye is a self-sufficient country in grain production. If Turkey wanted to, it could turn its back on this problem. But this behavior would not be good behavior for the rest of the world. Also, Türkiye is almost the only country that can have diplomatic relations with Russia and Ukraine at the same time. We need to be able to talk to solve problems. So, whatever the problem, we should not close the channels of dialogue. Also, Türkiye is the only country in the region to fight terrorist organizations such as YPG, PKK and DAESH at the same time. These organizations have harmed thousands of civilians. They are the common problem of humanity. Türkiye cares about security in the region and is making efforts for it. Ships that will act under the control of Türkiye will follow a safe route. Russia and Ukraine have no doubts about this. As a result, there would be no better mediator for this problem.

Turkey has chosen a rather well-thought-out position, from the point of view of the interests of Turkey itself. And it’s hard for me to reproach them, for example, for not fully supporting the sanctions. Sometimes help is more powerful than sanctions, and for example, I am sincerely grateful to the people of Turkey that they supply us with such an excellent means of destroying international terrorists as Bayraktar UAVs and some other means of combating naZism/RashiZm.
But Turkey has a rather pragmatic basis for such a policy - the economic situation in the country is not the best, plus the risks of global regional confrontation are quite high. Therefore, Turkey is trying to maneuver, on the one hand, observing its interests, on the other hand, supporting Ukraine in the fight against terrorists

[Argoo]

The issue of food scarcity is solely because in this era farmers are few. Every one wants a clean job only a few are willing to go dirty for their cents. If mechanised farming gets high sponsorship by government agricultural banks I think many might consider farming as an occupation. Also If nations close down their boarders on importation of food may be the famine that smells close might be alleviated

First of all, it should be noted that an acute shortage of food on the world market arose only when Russia, having attacked Ukraine, also blocked civilian shipping in the Black Sea and blocked the seaports of Ukraine. At the same time, Russia began to fire at absolutely peaceful civilian ships under various flags of other states, thus damaging nine ships and sinking one ship. That is, Russia began to behave like a robber on land and like a pirate at sea.

The Kremlin agreed to remove the blocked 24 million tons of wheat and other Ukrainian grain from its ports when the problem was raised by world states, as well as the UN and then, in exchange for a partial lifting of sanctions on its grain. Having signed the corresponding agreement, Russia immediately violated it by firing high-precision missiles at a granary in the port of Odessa for 24 hours.

Taking into account the commission of mass military crimes of Russian troops in Ukraine, and the behavior of its Black Sea Fleet at sea, at the request of Ukraine, the US Congress spoke in favor of recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.
Probably, the prospect of obtaining such a status frightened Putin, so yesterday the first ship with Ukrainian grain safely arrived at the port of Turkey. However, what Russia has already done is quite enough for it to receive the status of a state-terrorist and a state-an accomplice of terrorism.

[DrBeer]

^^^ LOL.. Russia doesn't need to cut the gas to Europe, if it want the Europeans to suffer. The Europeans are so stupid that in some time (maybe within the next one or two months) they will refuse the gas from Russia by themselves. And that's all it takes to make the destruction of the famed German manufacturing sector complete. Once the factories shut down, they will never be able to compete in the global market. Anyway, without cheap energy their products can't remain in the market. EU can subsidize, but for how long?

Whatever it is - this game has put all the world in very difficult situation
The power game is horrible and results are more horrible - everywhere people seem to be in trouble - the covid war was not over and we came into another war and than another crisis and so on and so forth.

I agree, over the past couple of years, the world has gone through very difficult times. But a new war, if you do not destroy the source of aggression, will be guaranteed to kill people! They will be killed by the new brown plague that Russia has brought to the world. The last war claimed the lives of several hundred million people... Just the other day, the petty scum Medvedev, being in a state of habitual intoxication, said that Ukraine is not the last goal - then Georgia and Kazakhstan will be destroyed. The Federation Council of the Russian Federation demanded to carry out nuclear strikes in Europe. Capture at least Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia. It seems to me that this is a much bigger and real evil and problem than the potential, but temporary reduction in the availability of food and reduced gas consumption.

[Hamza2424]

Thats much interesting now as after the financial crisis now there will be a Wheat crisis but dont be sad its human nature just imagine now first in ancient time our elder fight for the Land then for power and now for the food next its gonna be for the Water after that expect the unexpected for the Oxygen boom. We are dead guys. Its reality we create troubles for our self inventing a product for the solution of current problem creates a new problem future cycle goes on and we don't even realize it.

[DrBeer]

Can you give specific examples of the success that Ukraine has achieved at the cost of heavy losses? Judging by the reports from the fronts, Ukraine is suffering one defeat after another, losing city after city, and every month plans for a decisive counteroffensive are postponed for an indefinite period.

Excuse me - have you been blind for a long time? I'm seriously worried about you! In order not to notice, the liberation of 50% of the occupied territory, and from the "second most powerful army in the world"?

Or can he show how systematically, meter by meter, village by village, the territories of Ukraine in the south are being liberated?

In the east, do not expect any striking counterattacks from the APU, why? There are a lot of separatist traitors there, we will slowly but surely destroy them from far away, like in a shooting range. Together with warehouses and headquarters. The more they are destroyed, the less then they will have to be evicted to Muscovy

Just the other day, for example, quite interesting information came about, about the "cauldron", where they are burning and squealing, asking for a "green corridor", about 2000 fascists from Russia - a great example! I'm quite satisfied!
And soon more HIMARS will arrive, and the Nazis will burn even brighter