Wheat War I is going to be World War III

[DrBeer]

And of course I agree that even against such a bastard regime, the use of nuclear weapons is not the right move.

Usage of any type of weapons of mass destruction against any country under any circumstances is wrong.
Whether it is Nukes that Russia is threatening others with or the biological WMDs that US has been manufacturing inside Ukraine (and elsewhere) and have been threatening the whole world with.

I respect any reasoned and logical opinion, even if it contradicts my views. And despite our differences of opinion, I respect you as an apponenit. But ! When you start telling frank nonsense - it's not a dialogue anymore
Let's make it simpler: bring here, to me and others, the FACTS about the US SECRET LABORATORIES on the territory of UKRAINE, where, in your words, "biological weapons of mass destruction that the United States produces in Ukraine"?

the country is a global terrorist attacking a neighboring country that they themselves signed up to protect and respect its borders and ensure its inviolability. The terrorist country heroically declares a "2-3 week short operation to denify ()", which has been going on for 9 .. but months ...

Your problem is that you don't want to believe that there is no difference between Russia and United States.
The "special operation" inside Afghanistan was also supposed to be very short and yet those "terrorists" got stuck in Afghanistan for 20 years while murdering civilians. The more they lost the more violent they got and destroyed more of that beautiful country. They even used the biggest non-nuclear bomb (eq. 11 tons TNT) there to cover up their weakness.

I have no problem, I appreciate the actions of both sides. And for example, I agree that the reason for the start of the military operation in Iran was very dubious "facts", which in the end turned out to be fake. And in the same way, I evaluate the "fake", and constantly changing "reasons" for Russia's terrorist war against Ukraine. It was in different periods of time - language, then denazification, then liberation, then coercion, now openly - the seizure of new territories. At the same time, this fact remains a fact - this war was unleashed by Russia, and Russia is an aggressor, moreover, using the most vile methods of waging a terrorist war - the bombing of peaceful cities, residential buildings, the destruction of people on a national basis, sadism, violence, the massacre of civilians, attempts concealment of crimes, torture and looting. These are all FACTS.
Yesterday, in Kyiv, 3 kilometers from my house, I personally watched through the windows how a Russian missile hit an infrastructural CIVIL object! And also the center of Kyiv was subjected to a missile attack, where ordinary civilians were killed. Maybe something from what I said you can refute, argue and prove that I'm lying?

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[pooya87]

Let's make it simpler: bring here, to me and others, the FACTS about the US SECRET LABORATORIES on the territory of UKRAINE, where, in your words, "biological weapons of mass destruction that the United States produces in Ukraine"?

Not just Ukraine but in a lot of other places the colonizers have occupied. I've already said it before and something that the US State Department has already admitted to doesn't leave any room for discussion!

And for example, I agree that the reason for the start of the military operation in Iran was very dubious "facts", which in the end turned out to be fake.

Iraq not Iran.

Maybe something from what I said you can refute, argue and prove that I'm lying?

There is nothing to refute when you said what I've been saying all this time. All these fake superpowers like US and Russia invade any country they can or want to. During their invasion, the more battles they lose the more aggressive they get.

It was 2 or 3 months ago that I said here that Russians are going to do the same thing in Ukraine that Americans did in Afghanistan. I even mentioned the MOAB they dropped on Afghanistan and said Russia is going to do something similar...

[cabron]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

[btcfinans]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

[pooya87]

This is sheer propaganda what wheat war is going to happen - nothing like this will ever happen.

LOL it's like saying "Russian invasion of Ukraine is sheer propaganda"!!!
Things that are already happening are not propaganda. The food war is already happening just like the invasion of Ukraine. The only thing left open for discussion is whether this food war is going to lead to more armed conflict to which I say there is a pretty good chance it does.

[DrBeer]

Big organization like NATO has to provide solution to the conflicts since they claimed to be a peaceful bloc. But from what we could see is that they offer non, for them its all about control which we can see thru the sanctions and regime change.

In this conflict, only Russia seem to be open to negotiation. They even warn that Ukraine's NATO entry will result to war but they still pushes it.
Now that each party have been gathering allies already, its becoming harder to prevent.

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

The answer is extremely simple - in the world, in addition to the collapsed rotten Soviet Union, there are still many idiots who dream of world domination, "everyone into nuclear ashes" and periodically rattling their aggressive "bells".
The only thing I will note is that a series of changes in the structures of world interaction awaits us. NATO will also be changed, which for a very long time emphasized its essence as almost only a fight against the Kremlin, and will become an alliance that ensures stability in all regions.
So are other international organizations that today have shown themselves to be impotent, absolutely useless, creating only the appearance of work, or not fulfilling their duties at all - the UN, the Red Cross and many others.

[Sithara007]

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

NATO's purpose was never the ones that they proclaim openly. NATO is an American pet project, where the US treat their allies just a bit better than slaves. And this is why powerful countries such as Turkey are increasingly turning rebellious (by ordering Russian air defense systems). Ever since the collapse and disintegration of the USSR in 1992, I don't think that there have been a single positive contribution from the NATO. All they have done is to bomb third world nations such Serbia, Libya and Iraq to rubble.

[bocyaj]

If the people want to stop the war between the Russia and Ukraine.They need to support the Ukraine for sure.Ukraine is not a first involved country in the war.Secondly the second nation Ukraine is weaker country.To immediate stop of the war is supporting the weak nation.But the support should not made with the future benefits then the peace talk at the end.United Nation Security Council can make a speak talk between the nation and make this to the smooth peace talk.

[DrBeer]

"NATO was constructed on the - with the reason, whether one believes it or not, that it was going to defend Western Europe from Russian assault. Once the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union was beginning to collapse, that reason was gone. So, first question: why does NATO exist?" - Noam Chomsky

NATO's purpose was never the ones that they proclaim openly. NATO is an American pet project, where the US treat their allies just a bit better than slaves. And this is why powerful countries such as Turkey are increasingly turning rebellious (by ordering Russian air defense systems). Ever since the collapse and disintegration of the USSR in 1992, I don't think that there have been a single positive contribution from the NATO. All they have done is to bomb third world nations such Serbia, Libya and Iraq to rubble.

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

[Sithara007]

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

There was a lot of controversy when Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 air-defense system from Russia. The Americans actually threatened to push Turkey out of the F-35 program in retaliation. If you believe that all this is propaganda, then you can go through the information that is available in the public domain. Even Saudi Arabia was initially interested in the S-400 systems, but then the Syria war started and the deal failed as Russia and Saudi Arabia were on the opposing sides in the conflict.

[pooya87]

This is sheer propaganda what wheat war is going to happen - nothing like this will ever happen.

LOL it's like saying "Russian invasion of Ukraine is sheer propaganda"!!!
Things that are already happening are not propaganda. The food war is already happening just like the invasion of Ukraine. The only thing left open for discussion is whether this food war is going to lead to more armed conflict to which I say there is a pretty good chance it does.

Russia invaded Ukraine - took away all they had. Even food and their utensils so that they die of hunger
But that is temporary - and this would not make another war. This is for sure. There is so much support Ukraine already has gained from EU - ofcourse they should step fwd to help them with food crisis. Not only to put sanctions on Russia to pull Russia down

Food war is way bigger than Russia-Ukraine conflict and that conflict is only a small part of it.
For example China has been buying and storing all the grains they can. Last I checked they had stored more than 60% of all the grains in the world and were still mass purchasing.
Most countries halted their food related exports or halted then resumed at a decreased capacity.
Europe is desperate for food that the small shipments Russia released from Ukraine ports was swallowed whole by Europeans.
US has been stealing the Ukrainian grains from their ports as much as they can despite them being a big producer themselves.
There is a serious shortage of fertilizers going on in the world because of this war that is going to lead to a big decrease in farmers' yield next year.

[bakasabo]

Wheat war has thrown society back to times when two tribes can not decide who will have the largest share of killed mammoth, and the control belongs to those who has more food.

I just hope that the world has made conclusions of wheat shortage and in future there wont be situations like "worlds salt supplies are soon to end humanity is again in danger".

I havent been following "wheat war" news for a while. It seems that situation is still not under control and scientists still hasnt figured out how to substitute it.

[DrBeer]

And besides exclusively your fantasies, do you have any arguments in favor of yours, well, let it be "theories"? Well, for example - the United States forces you to buy only their weapons and prohibits the production of your own. Or does it not help other NATO members? Or does it not provide technological, financial, consulting support? Or takes away from NATO members their money, factories, land?
Or something else that can be equated with the relationship between "master and slave"?

Why I ask a question - I often hear the sound of words from you, but they are almost never followed by any real arguments, facts. Those. it's just a sound, because you want to count so much

There was a lot of controversy when Turkey decided to purchase the S-400 air-defense system from Russia. The Americans actually threatened to push Turkey out of the F-35 program in retaliation. If you believe that all this is propaganda, then you can go through the information that is available in the public domain. Even Saudi Arabia was initially interested in the S-400 systems, but then the Syria war started and the deal failed as Russia and Saudi Arabia were on the opposing sides in the conflict.

I know this story
Only you didn't tell it all and not completely. Again, for some reason, without saying some nuances ... I do not exclude that out of habit

If you read purely Russian news (read - state propaganda, mostly false, as everyone has already seen), then the situation is as follows: Turkey announced that it had acquired S-400s from Russia. was forced, because Allegedly, this is all a consequence of the US refusal to supply it with Patriot anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM). Sounds nice right? Too bad it's not true
Officially, and it's easy enough to check the reasons were different, and some of them are probably intentional.
I'll start a little further. Russia has positioned since the 80s that it is the "best manufacturer" of many military systems. Tanks, air defense, and much more were exclusively "unparalleled" and "the closest competitors still have to catch up with Russia in 20-30-40 years." But we already know that this is a fake

But back to Turkey. What do they have in service, in air defense?
- M41A1 Duster, yes yes, these old men, coaxial 40 mm machine guns
- ZSU Korkut from the Turkish company ASELSAN
- ZSU SSA, with two automatic guns Oerlikon KDC-02 caliber 35 mm, which are produced in Turkey (under a Swiss license). I will not list other systems, it is not interesting. Stepping up a step:
- mobile command posts on the M113 armored personnel carrier chassis (US license), with AN / MPQ-64 Sentinel radar (Hughes Aircraft Co. USA)
- "Light" MANPADS - Stingers and a large number of missiles for them, including licensed ones produced in Turkey (under US license). And let's move on to global, medium-long-range combat air defense.

The basis of Turkish air defense is long-range anti-aircraft missile systems that provide cover for strategically important objects of the armed forces, government and industry. And let's guess what these systems are?? Exactly! The Turkish army is armed with 3PK MIM-14 Nike-Hercules, Hok air defense systems. From the 80s to today, the global air defense system continues to be built on these systems!
Yes, and of course we will remember the S-400! I'm not the Russian media to lie and hide the truth ...and in 2017-2019 Turkey bought 4 S-400 divisions The Kremlin's screeching about the "big contract" turned out to be the expected fake.
BUT ! at least 1 division, in a FULL set (and there is an assumption that 2) left ... to the "fierce enemy of Turkey" - to .. USA! In order to calmly disassemble, try to find something "unparalleled" and adapt your systems to deal with the C400. And as you know, but you will probably say “no no no, it didn’t happen”, these “unparalleled” complexes “protected” the temporarily occupied Ukrainian Crimea, and shamefully missed Turkish Bayraktars, Ukrainian missiles, and American ones The world saw that the Russian army and the defense industry are fake, useless backward technology and stupid advertising, behind which there is nothing!

And today, for very understandable reasons, Turkey no longer purchases the Russian "iron misunderstanding", not only uses advanced Western systems, but also developed its own systems, for example, HISAR-U Siper

[electronicash]

Wheat war has thrown society back to times when two tribes can not decide who will have the largest share of killed mammoth, and the control belongs to those who has more food.

I just hope that the world has made conclusions of wheat shortage and in future there wont be situations like "worlds salt supplies are soon to end humanity is again in danger".

I havent been following "wheat war" news for a while. It seems that situation is still not under control and scientists still hasnt figured out how to substitute it.

between this crossfire is EU who suffer the most because beside the cold winter is hunger as well. most of the grains are already hoarded by China who has more than 50% of the supply. they are aware of what is going to happen, they have famine in the past.

Ukraine will be destroyed. they still could avoid this if they just want the peace and go on. fight again when they are capable.

[worldofcoins]

To some extent, your point can be considered correct; hunger is a significant problem worldwide in all ERA. Also, your point on Ukraine and Russia can be actual, but my point here is that food prices have increased worldwide.
You can not blame the Russian invasion of Ukraine as the only factor for the price hike.
Yes, it can be one of the factors but not a sole responsible factor.

[Tallupooh]

Because perhaps, wheat is a staple food that must be consumed. Food is the most important thing for humans. If there is no food, humans will die of starvation. Therefore, if wheat starts to become scarce, surely some people will start fighting over the wheat, and chaos begins.

[G_Besar]

Because perhaps, wheat is a staple food that must be consumed. Food is the most important thing for humans. If there is no food, humans will die of starvation. Therefore, if wheat starts to become scarce, surely some people will start fighting over the wheat, and chaos begins.

If that's considered a problem, then I think there are a few things that everyone can do and one of them is to find a substitute when the wheat that is usually consumed is getting scarce and also when an item like wheat becomes scarce, then the price will also become very expensive. because it is a food ingredient that is needed every day by people who consume it.

[DrBeer]

Ukraine will be destroyed. they still could avoid this if they just want the peace and go on. fight again when they are capable.

 

Can I have some arguments, well, so that it simply would not be a "performance of a lone clown"? Oh propagandist! It's the same though

The world terrorist country has already broken not only almost all its teeth about Ukraine, but now shamefully fled from the Kharkov region, with huge losses, cowardly fleeing from the south of Ukraine and other territories. At the same time, they have already stooped to the point that they are begging for weapons from Iran and North Korea! "Great Russia", "the second army of the world", "the world will not live without gas and oil from Russia" - these are all very funny jokes
PS. The only nuance, unfortunately, I will assume that the cowardly escape from the south of Ukraine will become part of the "show" for the rashist society. Most likely, people who are almost forcibly prepared for evacuation to the left bank of the Dnieper will be shot there. This is a classic move by a terrorist country (remember how they blew up residential buildings with sleeping civilians in Russia to justify the attack on independent Ichkeria). Then, with a high probability, there will be an attempt to destroy the hydroelectric power station in order to pass it all off as "crimes of Ukraine" ...

[VanillaH]

I don't know if WWIII will happen because of that, but this issue really highlights the pitfalls of globalization. Countries should strive to be independent in sectors such as energy or food production!

[Argoo]

To some extent, your point can be considered correct; hunger is a significant problem worldwide in all ERA. Also, your point on Ukraine and Russia can be actual, but my point here is that food prices have increased worldwide.
You can not blame the Russian invasion of Ukraine as the only factor for the price hike.
Yes, it can be one of the factors but not a sole responsible factor.

The problem of food shortages will only grow with time. However, it was Putin's Russia that sharply exacerbated this problem with its military attack on Ukraine and the blockade of Ukraine's seaports this year. As a result, more than 21 million tons of grain and other agricultural products have accumulated in the ports of Ukraine, which it could not export to other countries under previously concluded agreements. At the initiative of Ukraine, the UN got involved in resolving this issue, and Russia was forced, through the mediation of Turkey, to conclude an agreement on the unhindered export of grain from the ports of Ukraine.

On October 29, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the suspension of participation in the implementation of the grain corridor. As a reason, they named the attack of drones on the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol on October 29, in which the Russian Federation accused Ukraine and Great Britain. As a result of a well-planned and executed attack, the Russian Black Sea Fleet lost 70 percent of its combat capability. To a large extent, it was his ships that fired their missiles at the peaceful cities of Ukraine and blocked merchant shipping in the Black Sea.

Given this, Turkey, Ukraine and the UN still agreed on the departure of 14 ships with grain from Ukrainian ports on October 31. Another four ships entered the ports of Ukraine. At present, all declared ships with 354.5 thousand tons of agricultural products have already left the ports of Odessa, Chernomorsk and Pivdenny for the countries of Africa, Asia and Europe.
Russia was simply informed about it. No one will ask Russia any more and pay attention to its threats, and any provocation will end for her in the worst scenario.