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August 02, 2022, 06:59:45 AM
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Those which have never been addicted to anything may feel that such a posture is too extreme but it is precisely what it must be done, the desire to go back to their old ways is too strong for those which were addicted to something, and as such anything that resembles the activity may be more than enough to lead them to that path again, so it makes sense that the person that you know does everything he can to avoid putting himself in a position in which he could fall victim of his addiction again.

No doubt, that's the reality inside you. Once you came from that kind of addiction, the eagerness once being triggered again will flow. It's something that, unexplainable but the lust will continue to flow on you. It's better to stay away completely and never to think of any alternative that is still associated with your addictions.

It is a have to keep yourself busy doing other things instead of trying to play, even using a play money.

The system inside you will lead you to play back using real money. It's unavoidable.
What happens is that it became a habit and habits are incredibly difficult to overcome, since the moment someone gets used to do something then they have problems imagining what else to do with their time if they are not engaging in that habit, so once gambling becomes a part of your daily routine then it can be very difficult to stop it, as even without thinking about it a person may find themselves gambling when they had no intention to do so, and as you say the only way to avoid this is by actively occupying their minds so they do not think about it anymore.
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August 02, 2022, 11:50:09 AM
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What happens is that it become a habit and habits are incredibly difficult to overcome, since the moment someone gets used to do something then they have problems imagining what else to do with their time if they are not engaging in that habit, so once gambling becomes a part of your daily routine then it can be very difficult to stop it, as even without thinking about it a person may find themselves gambling when they had no intention to do so, and as you say the only way to avoid this is by actively occupying their minds so they do not think about it anymore.

Good point, if you will keep occupying your mindsets and keep yourself busy with your love ones or with your friends, people who are not engaged to any gambling related activities, it will be easier to cope up and lessen the chance of the temptation in bringing yourself inside any gambling activities. It's more about how serious you are in moving or quitting away from this business.

Once you figure it out, your system will comply and you will start to stay out of any gambling participation.

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August 02, 2022, 03:30:23 PM
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I agree with you, without real money in gambling the games like poker or blackjack become very different. I used to play some poker only with play money to try some new strategies and found that people play more aggressive if it's not there own money they lose. There were so many more All ins happening that it became not realistic to keep trying out new strategies. To me the excitement in gambling comes not only from winning or losing, but also from the chance to win a big jackpot. Without the chances of winning real money the thrill is not there. It would be nice to have a casino where you can only win, unfortunately that is not realistic. For us to have the chance to win a jackpot, we must also face the chance to lose money. The only real alternative I see to money would be to gamble with things. For example, you could gamble with your PS4 and if you win you get another one. I did that in the past with CSGO skins, it was a nice way to build up my inventory.

But in any case, any thing (if it is not a unique collector's item) is just a replacement for money and nothing changes: if candy wrappers cost nothing, then people do not appreciate them, so the game for money and candy wrappers is very different.
As for testing strategies, this should work (for most strategies) on candy wrappers - if you play seriously, and your opponents do not, then if your strategy works even a little bit, then you should easily beat your opponents, right?
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August 03, 2022, 02:57:45 AM
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There may be alternatives to gambling with money but I don't think they will be as fun as gambling with real money. Gambling games like poker or blackjack are fun games but they can't be comparable if they are played with money at stake. The sense of competition and of trying to outwit your playmate is not high when the game is all just for fun without money involved. It is okay to lose when there's no money at stake. With money, losing is avoided at all cost. This causes the adrenaline and the thrill to rise.

I agree with you, without real money in gambling the games like poker or blackjack become very different. I used to play some poker only with play money to try some new strategies and found that people play more aggressive if it's not there own money they lose. There were so many more All ins happening that it became not realistic to keep trying out new strategies. To me the excitement in gambling comes not only from winning or losing, but also from the chance to win a big jackpot. Without the chances of winning real money the thrill is not there. It would be nice to have a casino where you can only win, unfortunately that is not realistic. For us to have the chance to win a jackpot, we must also face the chance to lose money. The only real alternative I see to money would be to gamble with things. For example, you could gamble with your PS4 and if you win you get another one. I did that in the past with CSGO skins, it was a nice way to build up my inventory.

That's right. Thanks for sharing your personal experience. I also had a great time with Zynga before, playing poker. I even thought I was a good poker player. I was able to raise my money so high. But that's only because the money used was not real money. I could all in anytime. I could bluff other players so hard. And I compared this experience when I played poker with real money. Damn, it was a world different. And those are even poker games with friends. How much more if those are real poker games with real money and with poker players you don't know and aren't comfortable playing with?
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August 03, 2022, 06:31:48 PM
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Those which have never been addicted to anything may feel that such a posture is too extreme but it is precisely what it must be done, the desire to go back to their old ways is too strong for those which were addicted to something, and as such anything that resembles the activity may be more than enough to lead them to that path again, so it makes sense that the person that you know does everything he can to avoid putting himself in a position in which he could fall victim of his addiction again.

No doubt, that's the reality inside you. Once you came from that kind of addiction, the eagerness once being triggered again will flow. It's something that, unexplainable but the lust will continue to flow on you. It's better to stay away completely and never to think of any alternative that is still associated with your addictions.

It is a have to keep yourself busy doing other things instead of trying to play, even using a play money.

The system inside you will lead you to play back using real money. It's unavoidable.
What happens is that it become a habit and habits are incredibly difficult to overcome, since the moment someone gets used to do something then they have problems imagining what else to do with their time if they are not engaging in that habit, so once gambling becomes a part of your daily routine then it can be very difficult to stop it, as even without thinking about it a person may find themselves gambling when they had no intention to do so, and as you say the only way to avoid this is by actively occupying their minds so they do not think about it anymore.

Certainly true and it really takes a courage to overcome it as it will also take a long process just to develop a new habit without getting ourselves tempted to engage in gambling activities. I know it's just a mindset to overcome it but that is easier said than done if you are in that same position where you wanted to be saved but you cannot help yourself from gambling because you are already used to do gambling and it is already a part of your daily routine.

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August 04, 2022, 08:49:12 AM
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There may be alternatives to gambling with money but I don't think they will be as fun as gambling with real money. Gambling games like poker or blackjack are fun games but they can't be comparable if they are played with money at stake. The sense of competition and of trying to outwit your playmate is not high when the game is all just for fun without money involved. It is okay to lose when there's no money at stake. With money, losing is avoided at all cost. This causes the adrenaline and the thrill to rise.

The possibility of losing your money spent on ticket in a poker tournament or when you bet a big amount in sports betting or elsewhere causes the thrill, yes, but betting a lot is not the only way of being thrilled. You can bet small amounts and still get your adrenaline when playing slots with 10,000x - 50,000x possible multipliers, making multibets on sports, or playing poker tournaments with thousands participants. You have to risk very small amounts for that, but you have to bet at least something. You won't get the thrill betting with fake money.

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August 04, 2022, 09:00:46 AM
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What happens is that it become a habit and habits are incredibly difficult to overcome, since the moment someone gets used to do something then they have problems imagining what else to do with their time if they are not engaging in that habit, so once gambling becomes a part of your daily routine then it can be very difficult to stop it, as even without thinking about it a person may find themselves gambling when they had no intention to do so, and as you say the only way to avoid this is by actively occupying their minds so they do not think about it anymore.

Good point, if you will keep occupying your mindsets and keep yourself busy with your love ones or with your friends, people who are not engaged to any gambling related activities, it will be easier to cope up and lessen the chance of the temptation in bringing yourself inside any gambling activities. It's more about how serious you are in moving or quitting away from this business.

Once you figure it out, your system will comply and you will start to stay out of any gambling participation.
Some people will say it was hard especially when you are already addicted to it but I think not really a hard thing to do if we are really wanted to change and forget about gambling. It is just all about our mindset, we can actually do other stuff to fully divert our focus into something new and more interesting. And was going to agree with you, it needs also help from your friend and relatives, their support is really having a huge influence on our plan to change.
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August 04, 2022, 09:23:40 AM
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I agree with you, without real money in gambling the games like poker or blackjack become very different. I used to play some poker only with play money to try some new strategies and found that people play more aggressive if it's not there own money they lose. There were so many more All ins happening that it became not realistic to keep trying out new strategies. To me the excitement in gambling comes not only from winning or losing, but also from the chance to win a big jackpot. Without the chances of winning real money the thrill is not there. It would be nice to have a casino where you can only win, unfortunately that is not realistic. For us to have the chance to win a jackpot, we must also face the chance to lose money. The only real alternative I see to money would be to gamble with things. For example, you could gamble with your PS4 and if you win you get another one. I did that in the past with CSGO skins, it was a nice way to build up my inventory.

With things are a little different, you need to coordinate the cost of things with the players, and it already distracts from the game. Playing for real money at a real table will give you the biggest adrenaline rush, even if it's small amounts, the difference will feel very big. Playing for big money is different, because there emotions can influence decisions and this will lead to a loss, so it is not equally good for everyone.

 
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August 04, 2022, 12:59:58 PM
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As far as I understand, for many people (and for me as well), the main reason for gambling is precisely the excitement and the desire to take risks. That is, when a person bets real money, he feels a big surge of adrenaline. It seems to me that with fake money, the sensations are not so sharp at all. Nevertheless, this is just an incredibly useful thing for those who are already addicted to gambling and want to stop it! I definitely support such methods.
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August 04, 2022, 02:19:12 PM
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As far as I understand, for many people (and for me as well), the main reason for gambling is precisely the excitement and the desire to take risks. That is, when a person bets real money, he feels a big surge of adrenaline. It seems to me that with fake money, the sensations are not so sharp at all. Nevertheless, this is just an incredibly useful thing for those who are already addicted to gambling and want to stop it! I definitely support such methods.
Then who would keep gambling using faucet for entire his life? No one since it's boring and no reason to play it, both gambling and adrenaline can't be separated, this mean gambling should use real money.

It's impossible if an addict use faucet since they're trying to recover his losses, not to fill his free times.

Now I wonder, is there anyone who only gamble with faucet for a month or a week? personally I will quit it when I gamble for 2-3 days using faucet.

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August 04, 2022, 02:23:17 PM
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A better suggestion and an alternative to quitting gambling completely is to start betting with fake money gambling apps. With FAKE MONEY GAMBLING APPS, you can continue gambling on the app even on live games, but with fake money. So in reality you can maintain the experience you derive from gambling and not loose any money except the fake one in the process.

Imagine winning a game on a fake gambling app that you can't withdraw, how does that makes you feel?. Because in as much as it is hard for an addictive gambler to easily stop immediately, by winning most times on the fake app will crave a desire to want to try with the real money if such person happens to get an opportunity, because such individual will think that for the fact that he could win the fake app, he gets what it take to win with real money. So for me, I think the best way to stop an addictive gambler from gambling is by first, letting him or her to fully understand what gambling could cause him if he or she doesn't slow down. As gambling is a risk and as individuals it good to be calculative about our risk

 
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August 04, 2022, 02:26:36 PM
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From my own aspect of suggestion. I suggest that if gambling is not favorable to you going to all the money you guys go and play Gamble so come equally redirect the money to another thing since you don't have the good luck of wining gambling. Because it is better to quit from gambling when you are not meaning anything and when the Grace is not there for you to win and you have to quit from it because if continue to bet or to play gambling. You have is a necessary things or another chance of losing more money instead of gather the gambling money to develop some things.
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August 04, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
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There may be alternatives to gambling with money but I don't think they will be as fun as gambling with real money. Gambling games like poker or blackjack are fun games but they can't be comparable if they are played with money at stake. The sense of competition and of trying to outwit your playmate is not high when the game is all just for fun without money involved. It is okay to lose when there's no money at stake. With money, losing is avoided at all cost. This causes the adrenaline and the thrill to rise.

I agree with you, without real money in gambling the games like poker or blackjack become very different. I used to play some poker only with play money to try some new strategies and found that people play more aggressive if it's not there own money they lose. There were so many more All ins happening that it became not realistic to keep trying out new strategies. To me the excitement in gambling comes not only from winning or losing, but also from the chance to win a big jackpot. Without the chances of winning real money the thrill is not there. It would be nice to have a casino where you can only win, unfortunately that is not realistic. For us to have the chance to win a jackpot, we must also face the chance to lose money. The only real alternative I see to money would be to gamble with things. For example, you could gamble with your PS4 and if you win you get another one. I did that in the past with CSGO skins, it was a nice way to build up my inventory.

I understand the point of both and in fact as mentioned above one could play cheap tournaments between $0.1 and $1 to get the thrill of playing for real money, but in the case of poker you have to ask yourself, do you really get the thrill with this type of buyin? The reality is that everything depends on the volume that one plays, the amount of buyin is everything at the end of the day.

On the other hand when you enjoy playing poker and it can be cliche but it does not matter if it is with playmoney, in Stars (PS) the play money that is played is really interesting and in fact you can meet Moneymaker playing tournaments with buyin in millions, it is an interesting move and These guys look like they're enjoying it.

I repeat, playing for real money is for me the goal, but if you get the right players and the right niche of players the thrill of playing with playmoney is the same, I guess the hours of play accumulating and losing all the playmoney offers them the same sensation.

Although the subject of another thread, one day we will have official tournaments and international competitions that represent the essence of winning just by representing your country, and I assure you that if representing your country requires playing free to go to international tournaments just for a title, Available players will be there, poker has a slow adoption as a sport but there are countries that accept it as such.

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August 04, 2022, 06:23:13 PM
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From my own aspect of suggestion. I suggest that if gambling is not favorable to you going to all the money you guys go and play Gamble so come equally redirect the money to another thing since you don't have the good luck of wining gambling. Because it is better to quit from gambling when you are not meaning anything and when the Grace is not there for you to win and you have to quit from it because if continue to bet or to play gambling. You have is a necessary things or another chance of losing more money instead of gather the gambling money to develop some things.
Well, we can easily say that someone has to quit gambling if he's not winning. But that's where the actual problem starts and if that person calculates how much he has lost in gambling.
He'll never listen to the suggestion of quitting because that's something big that he has to recover and his ego and actions won't allow himself to accept those words from others.

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August 04, 2022, 06:34:23 PM
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From my own aspect of suggestion. I suggest that if gambling is not favorable to you going to all the money you guys go and play Gamble so come equally redirect the money to another thing since you don't have the good luck of wining gambling. Because it is better to quit from gambling when you are not meaning anything and when the Grace is not there for you to win and you have to quit from it because if continue to bet or to play gambling. You have is a necessary things or another chance of losing more money instead of gather the gambling money to develop some things.

And yet if someone just wanted to play games that are available in a casino and doesn't want to spend more, he can always use the apps given at the OP.  It may not give the same excitement but the mechanics are still there.  As a matter of fact, I never thought that it would be entertaining playing slots without using real money but I found out that it is still entertaining probably because of how slots games are created.  I know it would be boring with blackjack and poker, but it is different when it comes to slots.

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August 04, 2022, 07:47:50 PM
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A better suggestion and an alternative to quitting gambling completely is to start betting with fake money gambling apps. With FAKE MONEY GAMBLING APPS, you can continue gambling on the app even on live games, but with fake money. So in reality you can maintain the experience you derive from gambling and not loose any money except the fake one in the process.

Imagine winning a game on a fake gambling app that you can't withdraw, how does that makes you feel?. Because in as much as it is hard for an addictive gambler to easily stop immediately, by winning most times on the fake app will crave a desire to want to try with the real money if such person happens to get an opportunity, because such individual will think that for the fact that he could win the fake app, he gets what it take to win with real money. So for me, I think the best way to stop an addictive gambler from gambling is by first, letting him or her to fully understand what gambling could cause him if he or she doesn't slow down. As gambling is a risk and as individuals it good to be calculative about our risk


That is indeed true, playing in a fake gambling app where there is only imaginary money will only fuel the gambler's desire and cravings towards where the real gambling activities are. They will start to think that they have what it takes in the real deal because of their winnings in the fake gambling app but the gambler didn't know that the risk is not the same because in the app, your movement is not that risky as there will be no real consequence if you lose unlike in the real gambling where your brain will always make sure that you got to make the very best move to avoid losses.

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August 04, 2022, 08:11:34 PM
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A better suggestion and an alternative to quitting gambling completely is to start betting with fake money gambling apps. With FAKE MONEY GAMBLING APPS, you can continue gambling on the app even on live games, but with fake money. So in reality you can maintain the experience you derive from gambling and not loose any money except the fake one in the process.

Imagine winning a game on a fake gambling app that you can't withdraw, how does that makes you feel?. Because in as much as it is hard for an addictive gambler to easily stop immediately, by winning most times on the fake app will crave a desire to want to try with the real money if such person happens to get an opportunity, because such individual will think that for the fact that he could win the fake app, he gets what it take to win with real money. So for me, I think the best way to stop an addictive gambler from gambling is by first, letting him or her to fully understand what gambling could cause him if he or she doesn't slow down. As gambling is a risk and as individuals it good to be calculative about our risk


That is indeed true, playing in a fake gambling app where there is only imaginary money will only fuel the gambler's desire and cravings towards where the real gambling activities are. They will start to think that they have what it takes in the real deal because of their winnings in the fake gambling app but the gambler didn't know that the risk is not the same because in the app, your movement is not that risky as there will be no real consequence if you lose unlike in the real gambling where your brain will always make sure that you got to make the very best move to avoid losses.
We know that human mind or brain would definitely know the difference which would automatically triggers out that you should play with real money to have real winnings and this is what make things different.
If you do really want to quit gambling then you should really avoid yourself on playing even though it wont really be that real money but still it would really trigger out that kind of interest which would make
you gamble even more and its a wrong idea that people who are addicted would completely stop on what they are doing when you are still making yourself get involved with such activity.
Dont gamble if you do like to quit but if not then you would be ending up on the same story.

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August 04, 2022, 08:15:22 PM
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This is not a good idea in my own opinion, it is better to abstain from gambling if you looking for a way to take a break, or minimize loses but to some point gambling with fake money does not help the gamblers in any way.

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Good point, if you will keep occupying your mindsets and keep yourself busy with your love ones or with your friends, people who are not engaged to any gambling related activities, it will be easier to cope up and lessen the chance of the temptation in bringing yourself inside any gambling activities. It's more about how serious you are in moving or quitting away from this business.

Once you figure it out, your system will comply and you will start to stay out of any gambling participation.
it's all up to oneself if you want to divert your mind from gambling there are many aspects that can help someone stay away from gambling such as busying daily activities with family or with our wives. but as the op said on the front page is a quite appropriate solution if someone really wants to stop playing real money gambling then he can try playing gambling with fake money. some ideas or suggestions may have been conveyed in this thread and it is very good for someone to apply this to their lifestyle so that they can get out of gambling and return to life with a better structure than before. The point is, if there's a will, there's a way.

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August 05, 2022, 05:34:10 AM
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This is not a good idea in my own opinion, it is better to abstain from gambling if you looking for a way to take a break, or minimize loses but to some point gambling with fake money does not help the gamblers in any way.
In theory this is something that it could work, the issue is that the reality many times differ with what we can expect out of our theories, gambling with play money may seem like a good alternative as you are not spending money when you gamble and it may seem that over the long term you will reduce the amount of money you use to gamble, however most of the time things happen tin the opposite order, people begin to gamble with play money and then after some time they decide to use real money for their bets, so while using play money instead of regular money may seem like a good idea it is nowhere near as practical as it may seem.
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