The war between Iran and Iraq can serve as an illustration of this thesis. This war lasted 10 years and did not end with the victory of one of the parties.
The opponents were completely exhausted economically and could no longer continue fighting.
Full scale invasion of Iran in 1980 is not even a tiny bit similar to full scale invasion of Ukraine
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In the 1980's Iran was still chaotic after the revolution in 1979. Iran had no allies, no military, no weapons, no money, a very new government, no high ranking military officer with any kind of experience, no defenses, ...
Compared with Ukraine, they have the help of half the world, have unlimited funding and weapons are pouring into Ukraine on top of all the military, intelligence and logistical support Ukraine is receiving.
The war between Iran and Iraq can serve as an illustration of this thesis. This war lasted 10 years and did not end with the victory of one of the parties.
The opponents were completely exhausted economically and could no longer continue fighting.
Full scale invasion of Iran in 1980 is not even a tiny bit similar to full scale invasion of Ukraine
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In the 1980's Iran was still chaotic after the revolution in 1979. Iran had no allies, no military, no weapons, no money, a very new government, no high ranking military officer with any kind of experience, no defenses, ...
Compared with Ukraine, they have the help of half the world, have unlimited funding and weapons are pouring into Ukraine on top of all the military, intelligence and logistical support Ukraine is receiving.
Another attempt, unsuccessfully expected, wishful thinking. Which is typical of some minds
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Since the coming to power of V.F. Yanukovych in Ukraine, his people, many of whom openly represented the interests of the Kremlin, in Ukraine, "it was done" with their hands:
- Complete degradation of Ukroboronprom. The most powerful enterprises were engaged in the production of anything, except for core products. Although there were technologies and specialists. For example, the YuzhMash enterprise, which produced one of the most powerful strategic missiles SS-18 mod 1,2,3 "Satan" for the USSR, gradually curtailed production, and the only order they had left was the maintenance of these missiles (and this is a large part of the strategic nuclear armament of the USSR/RF) in Russia. Why ? Because, on the other hand, COMPETITIVE defense enterprises had to cease to exist, and since the Russian Federation was technologically backward even then, they could not independently service and maintain these missiles in working order. Only Ukrainian specialists, the developer companies, were able and could. So, by 2014, there were about 10,000-15,000 people in the actual combat neighborhoods of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, quite demoralized and not very well provided for. That is why in 2014 there was no adequate response to Russian terrorists in the Ukrainian Crimea. Since the time of President Kravchuk, strategic bombers and many other things, including new offensive weapons, have been transferred to the Russians under corruption and contracts that sabotage the defense industry and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Therefore, the attack of the "second army of the world" took place on a small group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and volunteer detachments, which, in general, stopped this terrorist horde! So the conditions in Ukraine were much worse than in Iran.
Regarding help. More or less real help began to come to Ukraine only after the whole world realized that their pessimistic forecasts about the fate of Ukraine did not work, and Ukraine managed to hit Russian terrorists in the "snout" and fully "tie" them and start to fight back. Well, plus after Russia took up open economic terror. And it was already the summer of 2022. And in small parts. And only light weapons. And only a limited number. And only from Britain and the USA, as well as Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia. Many others pretended to actively help... So - again, you either fantasize or deliberately, out of habit, lie... Although this does not surprise me at all
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By the way, you forgot to mention that Iraq was fully supported by the USSR / RF. The USSR/Russia supplied Iraq with weapons, money, technology, consultants and all necessary assistance. So I don’t quite understand why you are shielding Russia, a terrorist country, from the history of atrocities and crimes against the Iranian people and state?!
Both sides also have reasons to stop fighting. Russia has lost and is continuously losing on a daily basis a lot of men, material and resources as well. And with the numerous sanctions currently imposed on them by the west and it’s allies, they’re are losing far much money than they seem to be benefiting at the moment.
Check this:
https://hurseda.net/gundem/246987-iddia-mossad-a-gore-ukrayna-ve-rusya-kayiplari.htmlThis is a link from a Turkish Newspaper, which claims that they have leaked the Mossad estimate for losses during the Russo-Ukrainian war. According to this source, the losses are as follows:
Russia: Current strength at frontline: 418,000 (excluding PMC Wagner and LNR/DNR)
Killed: 18,480 (only armed forces and reservists probably, doesn't include PMC Wagner or LNR/DNR)
Injured: 44,500
Prisoner: 323
Aircraft lost: 23
Helicopter lost: 56
Tanks/APC lost: 889
Lost Artillery systems: 427
Ukraine: Current Strength at frontline: 734,000 (only armed forces and reservists)
Killed: 157,000 (only armed forces and reservists probably)
Injured: 234,000
Prisoner: 17,230
Aircraft lost: 302
Helicopter lost: 212
Tanks/APC lost: 6,320
Lost Artillery systems: 7,360
IMO, Russian casualties if we include Wagner and other allied forces would be ~60,000 KIA. Ukrainians probably lost around 165,000 including foreign mercenaries. Both the countries can sustain up to 1 million KIA (each), and therefore I would say that there is a good probability that this war can continue for another 4-5 years.
No offense - are you preparing a speech, in a clinic for the mentally damaged? Or do you really think that someone will believe in these fakes?
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The reality is this:
Armed forces of the Russian Federation: more than 1 million people.
In the terrorist operation against Ukraine at the beginning, at the first stage, the first shock group included about 190,000 bodies. The most combat-ready units. They dissolved in Ukrainian fields, becoming fertilizer, around the summer of 2022. After that, keeping the promise given to the entire Russian Federation that "there will be no conscription to the army to the front," Putin, as expected, deceived everyone in his usual manner. And announced the mobilization. 300,000 bodies were mobilized. In the operation, which, according to Putin himself, went according to a predetermined plan, and takes no more than 2-3 weeks!
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After that, before the new year, the "great leader" of Russia said that everything was over, the mobilization was over. They say the goals of the special operation have been achieved. Although today we already know 10 versions of these goals and they change almost every month
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But to the question - "where is the order to complete the mobilization", he said - "well, why write an order, I said, it means
ended."
And in December 2022, covert mobilization began. Putin's cook Prigozhin will also be added, who received the right to recruit murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves in his private military company in Russian prisons, and to those who survive - to grant freedom, amnesty and zeroing of their crimes. This is Russia - chic social elevators operate here
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Since the beginning of his active participation in terrorism in Ukraine, PMC Wagner has attracted more than 50,000 criminals, more than 35,000 of whom are still lying in Ukrainian fields. No, it's not an image, it's a reality. They are simply sent to break through the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine wave after wave. How the USSR fought during the Second World War, throwing the enemy’s fortifications with the corpses of its citizens.
And the first wave, and the first mobilization, and PMCs, and Kadyrov's gangs and other formations of the Russian Federation in Ukraine were destroyed. That is why now in Russia they are openly preparing to increase the regular army by 500,000, mobilization will affect at least 300,000, and after that another 2-3 repetitions of 300,000 each. Back in 2022, 2 months before the first mobilization, I warned the Russians! And in October-November 2022, he warned the Russians, and even in this forum - at the end of December - January 2023, you will again be taken away for slaughter. If you want to live, run away from Russia...
And now I repeat:
- Russia will have at least 2 more waves of mobilization (March/June). Perhaps there will be a third wave in the summer / autumn of 2023, but it is likely that by this time the Russian army will be irreversibly defeated, and internal problems will tear apart the power in the Kremlin ...
- in Russia, with a very high probability, martial law will be introduced and the economy will be transferred to "military rails." The truth is that they won’t say it openly, as it should be in a totalitarian country with a cowardly Nazi regime
And now about the REAL losses of the terrorist army of the Russian Federation in Ukraine:
Living Force:
killed ~131.290
wounded ~393.870
captured ~1.000
Loss of equipment (as a percentage, a part of the total number in the Russian army is indicated)
Combat armored vehicles 6405 (46.6%)
Tanks 3220 (more than 90%, which is why the Russian Federation is now begging even Laos for T-34 tanks
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Artillery 2226 (39%)
Litaki 294 (21%)
Helicopters 284 (30%)
PS Yes, and one more thing - in February-March of this year, but rather from February 12-20, Russia will make another attempt to "break through" in Ukraine. The goals are another attempt to attack Kyiv (including the shelling of civilian objects and civilians in my hometown with C300 / C400 ballistic missiles), and in the south-east of Ukraine in the Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Lugansk regions. It will cost Russia - several hundred thousand of its citizens, whose lives the crazy Kremlin under-furrer plays ineptly at war ...
And all in order to try to "achieve victory" by the sacred date for the Russian terrorist state - February 23. This is the day of the Russian army - the army of terrorists, murderers, rapists, marauders ... I am sure that Ukraine will put an end to this holiday so that it will be forgotten forever!
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PS When you want to lie with all your might, at least study the materials of the subject area. Question for the final - where did you get the data that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had 300 aircraft and 200 helicopters?
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Did you count the planes with civilian sides that were shot down by terrorists?
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