OrangeFren.com - instant, KYC-free, exchange comparison

[LoyceV]

Explaning a lambo is fairly easily actually. Just make sure it's never technically yours. You just happen to drive it, but it's owned by some entity somewhere. Maybe a company. Maybe a foundation. Maybe a trust... So many options

I take it you don't live in an over regulated country. Here, driving a company lambo means paying bijtelling: 22% of the dealer price (including high tax based on emissions, and sales tax of course) gets added to your income, and taxed at 49.5%. So a €499,950 Lamborghini Temerario costs you €54,444 per year in additional income tax.
So again: it's going to be very hard to explain, even if it's not in your name.

[OrangeFren]

I take it you don't live in an over regulated country. Here, driving a company lambo means paying bijtelling: 22% of the dealer price (including high tax based on emissions, and sales tax of course) gets added to your income, and taxed at 49.5%. So a €499,950 Lamborghini Temerario costs you €54,444 per year in additional income tax.
So again: it's going to be very hard to explain, even if it's not in your name.

Oh God what??? Insanity.
Maybe it can be bypassed by having foreign plates...?

[mikel_012]

I think if you have stolen money from hacks or drug money you will pay 10% to not worry about the money entering your bank account directly and less change to get caught using the money.

I highly doubt registered legit concierge services will handle stolen money and let you get away with it when they get questions about it.

They will not because they do not want to be closed and arrested, but you can still try

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

[LoyceV]

Maybe it can be bypassed by having foreign plates...?

Lol. I wish! Everyone on the planet is allowed to drive in my country with foreign plates, except for people who live here! You can get a temporary exception, which has to be arranged upfront.
My country is a tax haven for multinationals, not for it's citizens.

[OrangeFren]

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

Truthfully I'm not aware of single hack that went through our links.

Lol. I wish! Everyone on the planet is allowed to drive in my country with foreign plates, except for people who live here! You can get a temporary exception, which has to be arranged upfront.
My country is a tax haven for multinationals, not for it's citizens.

It's sounds like this tax policy should help the housing problem as it drives people away.

[mikel_012]

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

Truthfully I'm not aware of single hack that went through our links.

Even if there was it is better to not speak about this so let's change subject

I am not saying this in a way to attack you, if we start choosing what to accept because of clean or dirty we will go back to KYC. And I also do not like when I need to send my docs to anonymous websites in the internet

[examplens]

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

Truthfully I'm not aware of single hack that went through our links.

Even if there was it is better to not speak about this so let's change subject

I am not saying this in a way to attack you, if we start choosing what to accept because of clean or dirty we will go back to KYC. And I also do not like when I need to send my docs to anonymous websites in the internet

Someone who doesn't know what it's about, and based on your first post, would think that Orangefren was launched as a plan to take a percentage from hacked and stolen coins through swap.
ISPs also had a part of the profits from the Internet connection that they sold to hackers, and they abused the connection, why does no one ever object to them for that?
At the same time, OF is only an aggregator, delivers information and has little influence on what happens in the backend of any listed exchanger with them.

[OrangeFren]

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

Truthfully I'm not aware of single hack that went through our links.

Even if there was it is better to not speak about this so let's change subject

I am not saying this in a way to attack you, if we start choosing what to accept because of clean or dirty we will go back to KYC. And I also do not like when I need to send my docs to anonymous websites in the internet

Someone who doesn't know what it's about, and based on your first post, would think that Orangefren was launched as a plan to take a percentage from hacked and stolen coins through swap.
ISPs also had a part of the profits from the Internet connection that they sold to hackers, and they abused the connection, why does no one ever object to them for that?
At the same time, OF is only an aggregator, delivers information and has little influence on what happens in the backend of any listed exchanger with them.

Hah, no. OF was created, because I was frustrated that I manually had to check the rates from KYCNot.Me. It worked out well, because now we work with knm a lot and we're friends

[mikel_012]

And we know there is a lot of stolen and hacked money in all no kyc services, including with OrangeFren that has no kyc in many services when using their referral link. It is just how the world works let's not act innocent

Truthfully I'm not aware of single hack that went through our links.

Even if there was it is better to not speak about this so let's change subject

I am not saying this in a way to attack you, if we start choosing what to accept because of clean or dirty we will go back to KYC. And I also do not like when I need to send my docs to anonymous websites in the internet

Someone who doesn't know what it's about, and based on your first post, would think that Orangefren was launched as a plan to take a percentage from hacked and stolen coins through swap.
ISPs also had a part of the profits from the Internet connection that they sold to hackers, and they abused the connection, why does no one ever object to them for that?
At the same time, OF is only an aggregator, delivers information and has little influence on what happens in the backend of any listed exchanger with them.

I never said Orangefree was launched as a plan to take a percentage from hacked and stolen coins

I meant to say they can not block or track stolen coins because they are a privacy service that does not track or ask for KYC. And this is the same for any service with real privacy. And of course stolen coins will go through the service or through other no KYC services because this is useful for criminals just like for political fugitives or people that like privacy

[OrangeFren]

Stats for searches on OrangeFren.com in July

Monero dethroned. Bitcoin in 1st place (for the first time!)

BTC: 42.50%
XMR: 32.21%
USDT: 6.71%
ETH: 6.37%
LTC: 4.25%
USDC: 2.42%
DOGE: 1.50%
ZEC: 0.92%
SOL: 0.90%
XRP: 0.62%
XLM: 0.39%
IOTA: 0.38%
BTCLN: 0.13%
TRX: 0.11%

[NotATether]

Stats for searches on OrangeFren.com in July

Monero dethroned. Bitcoin in 1st place (for the first time!)

I think the Coldcard hack was responsible for that, but I'm not sure. It would've had to be concentrated during July 31 (the first day of the attacks).

[OrangeFren]

Stats for searches on OrangeFren.com in July

Monero dethroned. Bitcoin in 1st place (for the first time!)

I think the Coldcard hack was responsible for that, but I'm not sure. It would've had to be concentrated during July 31 (the first day of the attacks).

I don't think so, because our volume was down around the end of July.

It seems that Coldcard hackers are using CoinJoins operated by Kruw rather than trying to use instant exchanges. I've seen some reports that they also used THORChain.

Incredibly Kruw is, as far as I can tell, fully doxed and living in the US.

[dkbit98]

Monero dethroned. Bitcoin in 1st place (for the first time!)

There was some news about tor and monero addresses, so maybe that was one of the reasons.
I dont see monero and bitcoin going anywhere, but I could not say the same thing for other coins and projects.

BTCLN: 0.13%

Lightning experiment is on the edge of survival  
I am surprised someone didnt use AI to find some bugs in code, that would be final nail in the LN coffin.

It seems that Coincard hackers are using CoinJoins operated by Kruw rather than trying to use instant exchanges. I've seen some reports that they also used THORChain.

kruw is an idiot and I can't stand his hypocrisy and twisting the facts, but to be fair he was always like that in the past, so he won't bent down.

[OrangeFren]

BTCLN: 0.13%

Lightning experiment is on the edge of survival  
I am surprised someone didnt use AI to find some bugs in code, that would be final nail in the LN coffin.

It seems that Coincard hackers are using CoinJoins operated by Kruw rather than trying to use instant exchanges. I've seen some reports that they also used THORChain.

kruw is an idiot and I can't stand his hypocrisy and twisting the facts, but to be fair he was always like that in the past, so he won't bent down.

A lot of LN nodes are getting swept right now (if they're attached to an out of date BTCPayServer) 

kruw is too brave for his own good as far as I can see

[LoyceV]

It seems that Coldcard hackers are using CoinJoins operated by Kruw rather than trying to use instant exchanges.

From the hackers' perspective, that makes sense. But who are those other people who contribute to coinjoins to get stolen funds? That will only cause more problems in the future, unless they too are mixing stolen funds.

A lot of LN nodes are getting swept right now (if they're attached to an out of date BTCPayServer)  

This is the first time I read about this vulnerability. One of the fundamental limitations of LN is that it has to be on a hot wallet.

[OrangeFren]

❗️Monero's rise against Bitcoin is ACCELERATING

In 2026 XMR has now gained >26% against BTC

If you held Monero instead of Bitcoin for
a day,
a week,
a month,
6 months,
2026,
a year,
or 5 years,
you outperformed Bitcoin 🚀

I do wonder why it's doing so well recently. Hopefully it's honest market sentiment and not just some hacks.

[LoyceV]

If you held Monero instead of Bitcoin for
a month,
6 months,
you outperformed Bitcoin 🚀

Now try 7 months

I do wonder why it's doing so well recently. Hopefully it's honest market sentiment and not just some hacks.

In January this year, Monero peaked to $700+ after some hacker bought and later sold a lot of Monero. My guess is that people are anticipating this to happen again after the Coldcard vulnerability left hackers with 1596 BTC.

[examplens]

I do wonder why it's doing so well recently. Hopefully it's honest market sentiment and not just some hacks.

In January this year, Monero peaked to $700+ after some hacker bought and later sold a lot of Monero. My guess is that people are anticipating this to happen again after the Coldcard vulnerability left hackers with 1596 BTC.

An interesting conclusion.
Perhaps a more focused analysis could confirm this if these sudden peaks in the graphics were checked to see if there were any more serious hacks during that period.

[OrangeFren]

I do wonder why it's doing so well recently. Hopefully it's honest market sentiment and not just some hacks.

In January this year, Monero peaked to $700+ after some hacker bought and later sold a lot of Monero. My guess is that people are anticipating this to happen again after the Coldcard vulnerability left hackers with 1596 BTC.

Interesting idea. Front-running the hackers


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[dkbit98]

My guess is that people are anticipating this to happen again after the Coldcard vulnerability left hackers with 1596 BTC.

I can almost guarantee this is going to happen with lightning network in near future.
It could also happen with other bitcoin projects and bridges that swap BTC with other chains.

I do wonder why it's doing so well recently. Hopefully it's honest market sentiment and not just some

It's probably just another speculation move from traders.
I do however see more people actually using monero to purchase things.