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May 13, 2023, 11:09:36 PM
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Gambling is very risky if you want to gamble use an extra money and gamble that you can afford to lose. You may be able to play with your own and make sure that you are not getting addicted to it. Because once you get been addicted in that game you will be able to lose all your money.

It is true that when betting you have to be prepared to lose your money. But it's quite difficult to be able to bet without addiction, that's because of human nature, namely greed where when they lose something they will try to get it back. Therefore most people are trapped in this vicious circle. In fact, if they can manage their finances and bet according to their abilities, they can earn money from their games and many people have proven this.
The most control for me is betting smaller amounts and being able to afford to lose after that avoid thinking about a big win.
It's easy for me to avoid addiction like that it's just that everyone has different thoughts.
Especially slot gambling, if you can't control it all, you will get addicted quickly.

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May 13, 2023, 11:23:46 PM
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Gambling is very risky if you want to gamble use an extra money and gamble that you can afford to lose. You may be able to play with your own and make sure that you are not getting addicted to it. Because once you get been addicted in that game you will be able to lose all your money.

It is true that when betting you have to be prepared to lose your money. But it's quite difficult to be able to bet without addiction, that's because of human nature, namely greed where when they lose something they will try to get it back. Therefore most people are trapped in this vicious circle. In fact, if they can manage their finances and bet according to their abilities, they can earn money from their games and many people have proven this.
The most control for me is betting smaller amounts and being able to afford to lose after that avoid thinking about a big win.
It's easy for me to avoid addiction like that it's just that everyone has different thoughts.
Especially slot gambling, if you can't control it all, you will get addicted quickly.
Actually in this condition I quite don't understand how the category of addicts in this case is even though we can control our condition in gambling and don't feel anything when we lose because we realize that it's a risk but that doesn't mean we are not addicts when we do it repeatedly.
The addict's condition is to do it regularly, it doesn't matter if it's big or small in gambling, but as long as I'm still gambling, I still think it's an addict and I'm like that too. Regardless of being disturbed or not in financial condition as long as you are still gambling, it means that we are all addicts.

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May 14, 2023, 01:02:22 AM
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Actually in this condition I quite don't understand how the category of addicts in this case is even though we can control our condition in gambling and don't feel anything when we lose because we realize that it's a risk but that doesn't mean we are not addicts when we do it repeatedly.
The addict's condition is to do it regularly, it doesn't matter if it's big or small in gambling, but as long as I'm still gambling, I still think it's an addict and I'm like that too. Regardless of being disturbed or not in financial condition as long as you are still gambling, it means that we are all addicts.

Addiction is a gradual process. So, for example if you gamble once in a while, say once every couple of years, then it would be safe to say you are not addicted to gambling.

Same with alcohol for example. If you just drink alcohol at a few events where they serve it, say weddings, etc, then of course you are not addicted. But if you plan your life around alcohol, then yes, you are addicted.

Same with gambling, if you start planning around it, then you're probably addicted to it.

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May 14, 2023, 04:03:58 AM
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I have been playing for the last few months, firstly because I used to get free spins as a bonus from time to time in the campaign I was in, and from time to time I also deposited. In the end I ended up playing slots only, and I think the overall result was slightly positive, but in the long run the net loss is inevitable.

You have to take advantage when you hit a big win and enjoy the money. Don't keep betting like you're on a roll and think you're going to keep getting big wins, otherwise you'll end up losing your winnings and more.

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May 14, 2023, 12:27:47 PM
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That's because we often think that playing continuously can give us the opportunity to get Scatters, and even if it consumes everything we deposit, that's okay too. We will think that next time, we can be lucky to get Scatters to win free spins, which can help to get more wins.

You gave good advice to all of us: to have a plan to quit because we often forget our plan because we are busy thinking about how to win. But if we haven't been able to get free spins in a few rounds, we better stop immediately. Otherwise, we can continue to gamble by spending all the money.
Almost all slot players think so and most will try to cover up losses by continuing to play even if it's not a lucky moment. In fact, the jackpot moments that we usually get are not accompanied by a scatter that appears in every round we play, so it is very difficult to indicate when there is an opportunity for us to get a big win while playing. It's strange that when we raise the bet, the Scatter is very difficult for us to get and vice versa in small bets we often find it.

Depending on how we position gambling in slots, when we think today luck is far away we should stop, so that we don't spend more and more money on slots, because no matter how hard we force it in the end we will experience a greater amount of defeat.
If luck doesn't come, even if we increase the bet amount, it still won't help us to get a win, and instead, we will experience a big loss. We've had it before, but some people even keep doing it because they keep hoping that by doing it, their luck will come, which it doesn't.

And that's the point of limiting gambling so we know when it's time to stop and can secure the remaining balance. We can play gambling at other times and not spend the balance we have just for that day. And maybe we will be luckier next time so we can win some money.
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May 14, 2023, 11:37:59 PM
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If luck doesn't come, even if we increase the bet amount, it still won't help us to get a win, and instead, we will experience a big loss. We've had it before, but some people even keep doing it because they keep hoping that by doing it, their luck will come, which it doesn't.

And that's the point of limiting gambling so we know when it's time to stop and can secure the remaining balance. We can play gambling at other times and not spend the balance we have just for that day. And maybe we will be luckier next time so we can win some money.

The thing is that humans are not naturally good at calculating probabilities, instead of say, calculating the force to throw a rock to hit a target.

That means that only for very simple cases we would be able to naturally bet correctly.

Say for example I flip a coin, and you bet on what side appears. Most people would know that's a 50/50 scenario, but people think that if in the past there have been 4 heads, then the next one has more chances to be tails. That's wrong, as tails still has the original 50/50 chances.

And that's just a simple example, games in casinos are designed so that it looks like it's easier to win than what it really is.

The truth is that every single game in a casino has higher odds for the house to win, so eventually the gambler will lose everything to the house.

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May 15, 2023, 03:46:21 AM
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Gambling is very risky if you want to gamble use an extra money and gamble that you can afford to lose. You may be able to play with your own and make sure that you are not getting addicted to it. Because once you get been addicted in that game you will be able to lose all your money.

It is true that when betting you have to be prepared to lose your money. But it's quite difficult to be able to bet without addiction, that's because of human nature, namely greed where when they lose something they will try to get it back. Therefore most people are trapped in this vicious circle. In fact, if they can manage their finances and bet according to their abilities, they can earn money from their games and many people have proven this.
The most control for me is betting smaller amounts and being able to afford to lose after that avoid thinking about a big win.
It's easy for me to avoid addiction like that it's just that everyone has different thoughts.
Especially slot gambling, if you can't control it all, you will get addicted quickly.
That's how it should be, to bet using small amount that you can afford to lose. But we know many of us do forget these basic rules when we gamble because of unable to control ourselves especially our emotions resulting to extended time of playing.

Well, it's a human nature to think you'll win when you gamble or if you stayed longer playing the particular slot. However the result is often the opposite of what you expected it to be. The reason why it's important that you know the risk when you started using your money in gambling to avoid thinking you'll end up in profit.

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May 15, 2023, 04:24:18 AM
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Gambling is very risky if you want to gamble use an extra money and gamble that you can afford to lose. You may be able to play with your own and make sure that you are not getting addicted to it. Because once you get been addicted in that game you will be able to lose all your money.

It is true that when betting you have to be prepared to lose your money. But it's quite difficult to be able to bet without addiction, that's because of human nature, namely greed where when they lose something they will try to get it back. Therefore most people are trapped in this vicious circle. In fact, if they can manage their finances and bet according to their abilities, they can earn money from their games and many people have proven this.
The most control for me is betting smaller amounts and being able to afford to lose after that avoid thinking about a big win.
It's easy for me to avoid addiction like that it's just that everyone has different thoughts.
Especially slot gambling, if you can't control it all, you will get addicted quickly.
That's how it should be, to bet using small amount that you can afford to lose. But we know many of us do forget these basic rules when we gamble because of unable to control ourselves especially our emotions resulting to extended time of playing.

Well, it's a human nature to think you'll win when you gamble or if you stayed longer playing the particular slot. However the result is often the opposite of what you expected it to be. The reason why it's important that you know the risk when you started using your money in gambling to avoid thinking you'll end up in profit.
I very much agree to bet with extra money , since slots demand a lot of attention and it is very easy to bet more and more and when we realize it is that we no longer have enough money to bet , then this becomes a weapon double-edged, betting to have fun and with the option to win, especially the option to win , so my advice here is , when playing slots and you don't want to lose so much money, it's best to allocate money totally willing to lose, but it is not well seen that it sounds like that, but rather allocate that money to have fun "with the option of being able to win", if we see it that way it is much better.

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The truth is that every single game in a casino has higher odds for the house to win, so eventually the gambler will lose everything to the house.
so, in this case, almost all casino games, not just slot games, have a bigger chance of winning and beating every customer. so there is no other way to avoid these things because gambling companies are designed to make a profit.
some people may deny statements like this, but the fact is that no gambler really wins at casino games except for 2 factors, namely luck or the gambler is the company's bookie himself.

on another issue, even though there are gamblers who win big from casino games including slot games, if it is calculated from the total loss, I am sure it will not be equal and in the end the house will still win.

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so, in this case, almost all casino games, not just slot games, have a bigger chance of winning and beating every customer. so there is no other way to avoid these things because gambling companies are designed to make a profit.
some people may deny statements like this, but the fact is that no gambler really wins at casino games except for 2 factors, namely luck or the gambler is the company's bookie himself.

on another issue, even though there are gamblers who win big from casino games including slot games, if it is calculated from the total loss, I am sure it will not be equal and in the end the house will still win.

It's just probabilities, there's nothing to deny.

The odds in the games in casinos are calculated so that they pay you less than the actual odds.

For example, if you toss a coin, there's a 50% chance you win if you bet on tails. The casino game would pay you, say, 90 cents if you bet $1 and win, but take your full $1 if you lose.

You can see how in the long term you will inevitably lose all your money in a game like that.

This is a simplified example, but all the games in a casino are like that.

Sure, you can bet $100 and win in your first try and get $90, and leave, but that rarely happens. Gamblers that win will continue to bet, losing their entire money eventually.

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May 15, 2023, 12:22:05 PM
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The truth is that every single game in a casino has higher odds for the house to win, so eventually the gambler will lose everything to the house.
The casino has higher odds of being won by the house, but that doesn't stop gamblers from trying their luck. They don't seem to care about that and keep trying to play because they might get lucky in the next round. And that makes them keep playing slot games even though they know they can lose anytime. And this is where we have to be wise in playing gambling games, and if the opportunity to win doesn't come, we don't need to continue playing because it will only waste our money. But some people keep going so well, and it's up to them.
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May 15, 2023, 12:25:02 PM
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so, in this case, almost all casino games, not just slot games, have a bigger chance of winning and beating every customer. so there is no other way to avoid these things because gambling companies are designed to make a profit.
some people may deny statements like this, but the fact is that no gambler really wins at casino games except for 2 factors, namely luck or the gambler is the company's bookie himself.

on another issue, even though there are gamblers who win big from casino games including slot games, if it is calculated from the total loss, I am sure it will not be equal and in the end the house will still win.

It's just probabilities, there's nothing to deny.

The odds in the games in casinos are calculated so that they pay you less than the actual odds.

For example, if you toss a coin, there's a 50% chance you win if you bet on tails. The casino game would pay you, say, 90 cents if you bet $1 and win, but take your full $1 if you lose.

You can see how in the long term you will inevitably lose all your money in a game like that.

This is a simplified example, but all the games in a casino are like that.

Sure, you can bet $100 and win in your first try and get $90, and leave, but that rarely happens. Gamblers that win will continue to bet, losing their entire money eventually.

And in terms of probabilities, if the odds are in your side the rule is to bet more and vice versa when the odds are not yours then you must derisk your funds.
However, the risk to reward ratio is poor. it is 0.9:1 plus transaction fees. You will eventually lose overtime if you overexpose yourself. This simply proves that the house are always in control of the outcome over the series of bets. So when you are in profit, don't give it back. Keep it and come back the next time when the odds are on your side.

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May 15, 2023, 11:03:41 PM
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And in terms of probabilities, if the odds are in your side the rule is to bet more and vice versa when the odds are not yours then you must derisk your funds.
However, the risk to reward ratio is poor. it is 0.9:1 plus transaction fees. You will eventually lose overtime if you overexpose yourself. This simply proves that the house are always in control of the outcome over the series of bets. So when you are in profit, don't give it back. Keep it and come back the next time when the odds are on your side.

Coming back would be a mistake.

It doesn't matter if it's another day or it's the same day, the only difference is that you might have gotten paid and therefore have extra money to spend in the casino.

If you manage to get ahead at any point in gambling, and you want to maximize your money, then the best move is to stop playing altogether, forever. That way you will end up with a positive amount of money earned from the casino, which is rare. And even rarer is someone that stops gambling after that rare event.

The odds are never on your side, always remember that.

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Back to the topic, by the way, slot games are really not doing well where only small wins can be obtained and the opportunity to get big wins more often doesn't appear.
To be honest, I'm starting to have thoughts that I should move on to other bets such as sports betting.

The difference between playing slots and sports betting is that with slots you never know what the next spin will bring you, while in sports betting you know exactly what to expect: you either lose your bet or you win a certain amount, and you know what amount beforehand, you know what to expect. This uncertainty is attractive to those people who choose slots over other games. You are right, big wins happen rarely on slots, but they do happen, and that's why slots are so popular.

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Back to the topic, by the way, slot games are really not doing well where only small wins can be obtained and the opportunity to get big wins more often doesn't appear.
To be honest, I'm starting to have thoughts that I should move on to other bets such as sports betting.

The difference between playing slots and sports betting is that with slots you never know what the next spin will bring you, while in sports betting you know exactly what to expect: you either lose your bet or you win a certain amount, and you know what amount beforehand, you know what to expect. This uncertainty is attractive to those people who choose slots over other games. You are right, big wins happen rarely on slots, but they do happen, and that's why slots are so popular.

I agree with this. You'll never really know what will be the outcome if you will play slots. There is no way to find out except waiting for the actual result of the game and basing on the rtp of the casino you can only hope to win luck based games. Unlike in sports betting, you can have higher chance of winning if you are knowledgeable and strategic in placing bets. If you know a lot of information about the team and its players, you'll likely win the bet basing on the patterns, history of the team players, and their records of winning, losing, as well as the whole performance in a game.

But despite having this cons in luck based games such as slots, there are still many people attracted in playing it. This is because it requires lesser effort to play since you don't have to be smart or skillful, but rather just be lucky enough to win. If a gambler don't want to play anything complex or anything that requires critical thinking, then slots is really a good option where you can also win and enjoy at the same time.
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May 17, 2023, 01:22:05 PM
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And in terms of probabilities, if the odds are in your side the rule is to bet more and vice versa when the odds are not yours then you must derisk your funds.
However, the risk to reward ratio is poor. it is 0.9:1 plus transaction fees. You will eventually lose overtime if you overexpose yourself. This simply proves that the house are always in control of the outcome over the series of bets. So when you are in profit, don't give it back. Keep it and come back the next time when the odds are on your side.

Coming back would be a mistake.

It doesn't matter if it's another day or it's the same day, the only difference is that you might have gotten paid and therefore have extra money to spend in the casino.

If you manage to get ahead at any point in gambling, and you want to maximize your money, then the best move is to stop playing altogether, forever. That way you will end up with a positive amount of money earned from the casino, which is rare. And even rarer is someone that stops gambling after that rare event.

The odds are never on your side, always remember that.

totally agree here
and it's much easier said than done
after big wins or big losses it's a good idea to take a deep breath and step away from gambling for a little bit.
give it TIME

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May 17, 2023, 01:54:54 PM
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totally agree here
and it's much easier said than done
after big wins or big losses it's a good idea to take a deep breath and step away from gambling for a little bit.
give it TIME
Yeah most people aren't learn how to enjoy their day, when you have earn money through gambling, you need to quit and then celebrate it, treat it as your self reward. If you've lose all your bankroll through gambling, you need to remember you've earn money before and take it as a fun, not for chasing your losses.

People are only want to win, but they forget they need to accept their losses.

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May 17, 2023, 05:45:24 PM
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Gonna share my recent story of "success" Grin I've got addicted to Crash kind of game. Just cant resist not to make a bet when I see those huge multiplier. Every time when I am about to click on "stop/jump" button, I choose to wait a bit more. Good that casino has a faucet and I can limit myself with that money (even though I have already lost all remains of previously deposited cryptos). Everything turned into a habit already. Every hours I login and play, even though I know well about addiction Cheesy
One of the most important things that I realized while gambling is that if a gambler does not limit his desires, he can lose quite a lot of money. I try not to play on a daily basis, because in my opinion the likelihood of gambling addiction in this case increases. I had acquaintances who gambled on a daily basis. It did not lead to anything good.
Common sense is only needed to realize this and even if not in gambling, the same thing can also be realized like for example if you don't have a control to buy your groceries. You will end up grabbing things that are outside your shopping list and you will lose all your money in your wallet.

The only exchange of that is you have the item and it might be useful for you. In gambling, we can lose our money as well but the return of it is that we experience a thrill or fun. I guess this is better than completely losing your money in the street or you got robbed. Gambling daily is not wrong in my opinion as long as control is still there. It can in fact help you to release your stress after a whole day of working.
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May 17, 2023, 06:29:32 PM
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If luck doesn't come, even if we increase the bet amount, it still won't help us to get a win, and instead, we will experience a big loss. We've had it before, but some people even keep doing it because they keep hoping that by doing it, their luck will come, which it doesn't.

And that's the point of limiting gambling so we know when it's time to stop and can secure the remaining balance. We can play gambling at other times and not spend the balance we have just for that day. And maybe we will be luckier next time so we can win some money.
Usually I also use this pattern in playing slots and most of it will stop when a few rounds don't get any results, from what I have observed the slot spin pattern is almost the same and there is almost no formula to outsmart it. So playing limits when you're unlucky is a way to avoid defeat by leaving and stopping playing, because in the end we will also experience defeat if we keep pushing it.

Slot games will usually give a quick win when you are in a lucky condition and as far as I have observed it never lasts long and it's best when you get a win and continue playing in the next round then stop to secure the win, I apply this pattern in slots though conditions of winning or losing.

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May 17, 2023, 08:31:17 PM
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It is true is not easy but at the same time it has to be done, humans have to do all kind of things we do not like and yet we still do them, an example of this is exercise, I do not like exercising at all and I hate that feeling of fatigue I get after it, but I still do it because I know it is a good thing for my long term health, then if someone is experimenting some gambling issues, as hard as it could be to remain away from casinos they have to do it, as it is the best thing for them to do at that moment.
It is indeed the irony of life, when on the normal, people are supposed to find it easier to stay aways from gambling casinos, but still baffles me how addiction turns the table around, and make things that are easier to do much difficult, and then make things that are harder/difficult to do much more easier.

For me, it takes me much time to decide to gamble, even when I have the hunger for it, I still can only gamble on a day or week I have extra money possibly due to less expenses and all that..

And that example of exercising, that's so true, it pretty amuses me how we tend to find it easier to do things that are not important for our well being, compare to things are will keep us in good health mentally and physically.
This is why addictions are so dangerous as they invert the natural order, I like to gamble but just like you it is something I do occasionally, and if someone asked me I would have no problem staying out of it for as long as needed as I have a lot of other hobbies as well, but the addicted gambler is so immersed in the rabbit hole they cannot tell that what is happening is slowly destroying them and everyone around them, and by the time they realize this is the case it is too late to do anything about it.
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