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May 15, 2023, 08:26:43 AM
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Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.

We can't blame some people for overhyping the capabilities of ChatGPT, but who knows in the near future it will have more capabilities than we'll ever know.
This is why gambling sites should always be updated in terms of the developments of AI tech because it can easily ruin their business.
Though as of now, it is not yet alarming as the capability is still very limited but we can't just sit and relax on this matter.
They can do so much for an AI, so these developers are still continuously innovating so there's always possibility that they can mimic or surpass the intelligence of human gamblers.
Now it's you I would blame as you are joining them to underestimate the security, structure and principles behind the house, you can never beat them. It's clear that AIs are not wired to hack and attack a gambling site, this is why they will only work according to the information at their disposal, but there is no way this information will be able to bypass the codes of the house, the house will always win.

AIs are simply overrated by people, they can furnish you with so much information and try to act like a god, but they can't go against the law and will have to act also like human beings that coded it. This can only make the work of humans easier and faster but will never do more than what humans could possibly do in gambling.

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May 15, 2023, 09:37:08 AM
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So, AI? Powerful, like a secret weapon. But no sure-fire winning ticket. There's a whole host of subtle factors in the mix, and never underestimate the human touch. Take poker, it's not just about the cards. It's the deft stroke of talent, the gut feeling, and the art of changing tactics like an agile thief in the night that makes us humans a force to reckon with. The human touch? It's like a masterstroke, a magical ability to decipher opponents and make shrewd moves that can turn the table in your favor.

And the casino industry? It's a tough business, and they're always looking for the edge. Sure, AI can help. But the tech needs to keep advancing. We've seen progress, but it needs a craftsman's touch to reach its full potential. Will there always be games that need humans? I think so. Casinos, they're the ones providing the arena, and they'll keep their business safe, even as AI improves. The future might have more advanced AI, but for now, it's a useful tool to enhance the game. Believe me!
That's not some kind of secret weapon, bro. But it's a technology that can be utilized by many people, even though some people will use AI for their secret interests and have secret goals. I don't think poker can use AI to win it but I do not know. I haven't seen an AI giving any information about winning a poker game outright and still just guessing.

Although AI will develop rapidly in the future, but there must be something that still requires humans to use it. But we can't deny that AI will come and be with us and help our daily lives. And it might look like what we see in futuristic films where AI will interact directly with us. So let's just wait and see what the development of AI will be like in the future and how it will affect the gambling business.
The development of chat GTP is a welcome development and shouldn't be seen as an attack on the gambling community,  but it will be a plus for the entire gambling industry.
There is no doubt the fact that AI usage has gained too much hype lately and sometimes, I think the whole thing is overhyped and shouldn't be taken as a weapon because it doesn't have that capacity.

Casinos have their mechanisms that are almost impossible for outsider developers to gain access to the game systems and make any changes that could affect the outcome of the result of the game.

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May 15, 2023, 11:06:56 AM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
why is poker called skill-based gambling?  because what is needed in playing poker is a skill, apart from that experience and being able to adapt quickly to surroundings are also very important in the game of poker.

anyway, you say what if chatGPT is taught to play poker? maybe in the future chatGPT or similar AI can be taught how to play poker but can we teach emotion, experience and adaptation to it?  of course, the answer is no.... then that's the conclusion AI will find it difficult to beat professional (humans) poker players.

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May 15, 2023, 12:01:40 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
why is poker called skill-based gambling?  because what is needed in playing poker is a skill, apart from that experience and being able to adapt quickly to surroundings are also very important in the game of poker.

anyway, you say what if chatGPT is taught to play poker? maybe in the future chatGPT or similar AI can be taught how to play poker but can we teach emotion, experience and adaptation to it?  of course, the answer is no.... then that's the conclusion AI will find it difficult to beat professional (humans) poker players.

When we are conso the use of ChatGPT then there are many functionalities that may be disabled through the performance of our gambling skills, this particular poker games beed our personal experience with performance in other to enjoy the best it could offer, because by then you will have to rethink and reengage your mond with ideas and different opinions that best suit your skills, develop them and apply them i gambling to enable you have more opportunities and potentials for winning each time we gamble tgan loosing or using a artificial intelligence already programmed.

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May 15, 2023, 12:58:10 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
why is poker called skill-based gambling?  because what is needed in playing poker is a skill, apart from that experience and being able to adapt quickly to surroundings are also very important in the game of poker.

anyway, you say what if chatGPT is taught to play poker? maybe in the future chatGPT or similar AI can be taught how to play poker but can we teach emotion, experience and adaptation to it?  of course, the answer is no.... then that's the conclusion AI will find it difficult to beat professional (humans) poker players.

When we are conso the use of ChatGPT then there are many functionalities that may be disabled through the performance of our gambling skills, this particular poker games beed our personal experience with performance in other to enjoy the best it could offer, because by then you will have to rethink and reengage your mond with ideas and different opinions that best suit your skills, develop them and apply them i gambling to enable you have more opportunities and potentials for winning each time we gamble tgan loosing or using a artificial intelligence already programmed.

I don't get your final reply. Do you mean that Chat GPT will mean that people will have to conform to a new way of playing poker or gamble online and rethink how it is played if they want to win the machine? Or that the machine won't be able to perform as well as a human because of the personal experience gained though the years?

About masters, IMO if AI changes the way people play there won't be masters anymore, but AI trainers or very skilled users.

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May 15, 2023, 02:49:18 PM
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People are giving too much exaggeration with the ChatGPT that's why it looks like can beat the system, this tool can be used to gather data this data will now serve as an ideal to make a decision what are the possible strategy you would like to take a risk for defeating your opponent and the game itself. But of course, those are the statistics and probability to get winning but stating you could win every game seems far from reality. Get Information, gather the data, execute the analysis, play the game and get some luck.
Yes, the bot can be useful as an advisor, but it's not a fortune teller, anyway. Let's check an example of how ChatGPT assists players during a poker game:



As we can see, there is nothing guaranteed. It doen't give certain movements towards victory, because there are many variables, which are obvious by the usage of words such as "it's possible", "let's say" and "if" by the AI. Everything is hypothetical because we don't know (including AI) what cards other players have on their hands.

In short Chatgpt only advises a player for possible moves but not directly instructing the player to do this and that.  It is still the human player who decide the action to make.  With this, Chatgtp us far from dominating poker online games let alone destroying.

Ai are just a program created by man and it will never outperform the function of a human brain, especially in adopting in certain situations since AI has limited option.

Chatgpt is just a tool that can be used to get and gather data for the people who query it and is not a future predictor to win the game, but it has data to know if the game is reliable to win. Based on my experience, at the same time, I use this to get information about the game I don't know yet and in sports betting is to understand the probability of the teams winning the game or not. I like the number of statistics given because I take down the lesser risk.

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May 15, 2023, 10:10:52 PM
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Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that chatgpt will over many thing in the world in due time

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May 15, 2023, 10:30:08 PM
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Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programmed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that change will over many things in the world in due time
You are right and I think chatGPT is overhyped here in the forum compared to outside the forum where much is talked about the potential of chatGPT, but to go as far as predicting it possibly take over poker games whereas not much development is noticed in that directions could be said to be an over-hyped statement.

I guess the best possible way to get clear data of what possibility AI have in the gambling market is to create a poll in that direction and let members vote according to their own knowledge and convictions,  this way you can get clear data as to what possibilities await ChatGPT.
 
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May 15, 2023, 10:37:23 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
why is poker called skill-based gambling?  because what is needed in playing poker is a skill, apart from that experience and being able to adapt quickly to surroundings are also very important in the game of poker.

anyway, you say what if chatGPT is taught to play poker? maybe in the future chatGPT or similar AI can be taught how to play poker but can we teach emotion, experience and adaptation to it?  of course, the answer is no.... then that's the conclusion AI will find it difficult to beat professional (humans) poker players.

When we are conso the use of ChatGPT then there are many functionalities that may be disabled through the performance of our gambling skills, this particular poker games beed our personal experience with performance in other to enjoy the best it could offer, because by then you will have to rethink and reengage your mond with ideas and different opinions that best suit your skills, develop them and apply them i gambling to enable you have more opportunities and potentials for winning each time we gamble tgan loosing or using a artificial intelligence already programmed.
just like @porfirri, i don't get the final conclusion from your comment, even though i'm not too good at poker but i once won at the table when i went all-in even though my card was bad at that time and my opponent was scared because his mentality was broken first.  from that experience, i came to the conclusion that in poker "psychology game" is very important too, and are you sure that chatGPT or let's say another AI will have the same abilities as i experienced?

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May 15, 2023, 10:40:41 PM
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Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that chatgpt will over many thing in the world in due time
we don't predict the future because anything can happen you are making a point concerning a poker game which I know that any other thing can take over because of it technology and the awareness and the influence so when this one that you have pointing out have more influence or courage than of poker, you will that it will dominate

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May 16, 2023, 08:57:00 AM
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So, AI? Powerful, like a secret weapon. But no sure-fire winning ticket. There's a whole host of subtle factors in the mix, and never underestimate the human touch. Take poker, it's not just about the cards. It's the deft stroke of talent, the gut feeling, and the art of changing tactics like an agile thief in the night that makes us humans a force to reckon with. The human touch? It's like a masterstroke, a magical ability to decipher opponents and make shrewd moves that can turn the table in your favor.

And the casino industry? It's a tough business, and they're always looking for the edge. Sure, AI can help. But the tech needs to keep advancing. We've seen progress, but it needs a craftsman's touch to reach its full potential. Will there always be games that need humans? I think so. Casinos, they're the ones providing the arena, and they'll keep their business safe, even as AI improves. The future might have more advanced AI, but for now, it's a useful tool to enhance the game. Believe me!
That's not some kind of secret weapon, bro. But it's a technology that can be utilized by many people, even though some people will use AI for their secret interests and have secret goals. I don't think poker can use AI to win it but I do not know. I haven't seen an AI giving any information about winning a poker game outright and still just guessing.

Although AI will develop rapidly in the future, but there must be something that still requires humans to use it. But we can't deny that AI will come and be with us and help our daily lives. And it might look like what we see in futuristic films where AI will interact directly with us. So let's just wait and see what the development of AI will be like in the future and how it will affect the gambling business.
The development of chat GTP is a welcome development and shouldn't be seen as an attack on the gambling community,  but it will be a plus for the entire gambling industry.
There is no doubt the fact that AI usage has gained too much hype lately and sometimes, I think the whole thing is overhyped and shouldn't be taken as a weapon because it doesn't have that capacity.

Casinos have their mechanisms that are almost impossible for outsider developers to gain access to the game systems and make any changes that could affect the outcome of the result of the game.
Maybe it's not an attack but it can't be said as an added value because ChatGPT still needs more development so that it can develop for the better. We've seen how ChatGPT works so far and it's still not enough to be used as a tool to help our daily activities.

And for now, it doesn't look like ChatGPT can also be used to assist in sports betting or other gambling games. But it could evolve, especially if more serious developers work on it to be used in information gathering for sports betting.

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May 16, 2023, 02:35:20 PM
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Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.
Why would the government want to regulate AI developments and what would they get by doing that? Are they willing to read the prompts of people and see what they ask the models or do they want to see for what purpose the people will use the AI developments? Governments sometimes totally do not understand what they really want.

They obviously don't want to let people have any sort of power or ability to do things easily and want things to stay tough for the general public, that is what they do with cryptocurrencies as well, regulate or ban them so that people keep suffering due to their operating traditional financial institutions.

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May 16, 2023, 03:40:24 PM
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Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that chatgpt will over many thing in the world in due time
Chatgpt can't read the future let alone help people to win games let alone poker or gambling games, I don't think that chatgpt was created to do that because so far I have used chatgpt only to help my work build a website and other online work, to be honest of course, even though I am a gambler, I have never thought of outsmarting gambling games like poker because there will really be no point.

If people using chatgpt could help beat games at gambling, maybe many people would become rich because of that, but the fact is there is nothing like that because the game of poker also needs the touch of a human hand.  Wink

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May 16, 2023, 03:53:49 PM
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I don't think chat GPT can destroy online poker, because even the best AI can get bluffed. And the fact that you can't know the next card makes it kind of random the result of the game. For example you can train the AI to play like Daniel Negreanu, and it will be a great artificial player, but even Daniel sometimes loses. So, an AI player doesn't mean it will win 100% of the hands. It only means will be a hard player to beat.

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May 16, 2023, 10:07:29 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
why is poker called skill-based gambling?  because what is needed in playing poker is a skill, apart from that experience and being able to adapt quickly to surroundings are also very important in the game of poker.

anyway, you say what if chatGPT is taught to play poker? maybe in the future chatGPT or similar AI can be taught how to play poker but can we teach emotion, experience and adaptation to it?  of course, the answer is no.... then that's the conclusion AI will find it difficult to beat professional (humans) poker players.

When we are conso the use of ChatGPT then there are many functionalities that may be disabled through the performance of our gambling skills, this particular poker games beed our personal experience with performance in other to enjoy the best it could offer, because by then you will have to rethink and reengage your mond with ideas and different opinions that best suit your skills, develop them and apply them i gambling to enable you have more opportunities and potentials for winning each time we gamble tgan loosing or using a artificial intelligence already programmed.
just like @porfirri, i don't get the final conclusion from your comment, even though i'm not too good at poker but i once won at the table when i went all-in even though my card was bad at that time and my opponent was scared because his mentality was broken first.  from that experience, i came to the conclusion that in poker "psychology game" is very important too, and are you sure that chatGPT or let's say another AI will have the same abilities as i experienced?

Opinion based answer can be provided but the accuracy for sure that still in question, like what you said you experienced that situation where even you have a bad cards you manage to win as you broke your opponents psychological capabilities, and that's one of the big factors to have the advantage when playing the game.

Having that willingness to take the risk and making sure that you'll be able be compensated when luck permits, a do or die thing as you are hoping that luck will back you up with your decision to go all-in.

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ChatGPT just enables features already possible, so people could already be using bots with Chess, with Poker and all sorts of ways to get an advantage.   To me what ChatGPT enables is ease of use and the speed at which people can deploy advanced features even if they are not especially tech aware or skilled.  I've no doubt this line of development in the economy will end up massive but I dont think immediately it expands what's already possible for people to do in Poker or similar, a good player will track how people have played their previous cards.  
  Probability theory is a big thing, thats something a machine would definitely use to try and indicate likely paths in a game for profit.  There is no certainty imo hence I think its capped.

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Despite how good the media was in making a concept or innovative idea known to the world the drawback of it is the spread of FUD news and the latest news I hate lately is how people ridiculously hype ChatGPT like it's the solution to every technical and non-technical activity.
Yes, there could be an AI that can be trained to end human online poker games but it's not developed and there's no way it will be developed since the government is planning to regulate the AI space.
They have to act now before the AI takes over, we know how aggressive the developers nowadays since those who gets ahead will surely get majority in the market.
To prevent the aggressive move in the creation of AI chatbots is the reason why some countries are introducing the regulation of the AI space

AI might be able to hit the public in the future, most probably regulations are the only thing to stop this and saves many industries from dumping. The hype is there and the fud as well, but with regards to our future with AI, I think there’s still a big questions for this.
AI has already hit the public and there is a lot of free AI provision website. However, AI will only be useful in some industries and there's nothing like dumping in the industries where AI will be used.

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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
I never take Chat GPt seriously. Because this chat GPT can never give you accurate information. Many people may have expressed many comments about this chat gpt but I will never say that this chat gpt can bring benefits for me. You will never get a perfect solution using it, especially on casino platforms. Maybe you can find information here for other jobs but it may not be accurate. Your comments and luck will always be taken more seriously on the casino platform as this chat gpt can never reveal the luck and comments inside your mind.
People are too exaggerated to confuse gambling using chatgpt including online poker, to be honest as a chatgpt user I usually only use it for a few short jobs like building a website and so on, sometimes it also depends on how the purpose of the chatgpt user itself is that the average gambler using it wants to find a way cheat or break online poker.

Gamblers will never use advanced technology to look for something more valuable than gambling itself. as a gambler, in fact, I have never used let alone taken this chatgpt technology seriously in helping me with my gambling affairs because in my opinion it is enough for me to use analysis and ability to play gambling. without having to intervene AI or chatgpt  Wink

Considering that things have changed for chatgpt, I don't know what many things Chatgpt4 brings, but as the publicity has made it known, "it can draw, make videos, and that is Something that goes far above the things that people expected, of course, even so I don't know if the robot is capable of making predictions, or similar things so that it can think better, people see Chatgpt as the only alternative to make money, it's not bad,but to play in a casino I don't think they have the capacity to do it and win as they want.

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Considering that things have changed for chatgpt, I don't know what many things Chatgpt4 brings, but as the publicity has made it known, "it can draw, make videos, and that is Something that goes far above the things that people expected, of course, even so I don't know if the robot is capable of making predictions, or similar things so that it can think better, people see Chatgpt as the only alternative to make money, it's not bad,but to play in a casino I don't think they have the capacity to do it and win as they want.

Now everything related to ChatGPT seems to me to be quite competent marketing and obviously invented by good marketers from this project.  They created such an image of mystery, supermystery and even very great intellectual power among the population.  
However, for now, for me, this is just an extended version of the usual search program, to which all sorts of functions that are not particularly necessary in life have been added, such as drawing pictures, composing music, and others.  
In general, all this is still just a toy for those who have nothing else to do.  
And I find ChatGPT completely useless and even harmful when used to predict bets in gambling.  Specialists, for example, in sports betting, I think they understand much better on which team and when to bet money.  

I don't know if people will get tired of ChatGPT after some time, but now there are too many mentions of it everywhere.

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Even though chatgpt get more advanced, there is no way it can out smart the normal poker system to make money based on how they are programmed to work. Poker is a complex game which is one of the things we must note so that we are not going to be thinking in another dimension that will make us think that change will over many things in the world in due time
You are right and I think chatGPT is overhyped here in the forum compared to outside the forum where much is talked about the potential of chatGPT, but to go as far as predicting it possibly take over poker games whereas not much development is noticed in that directions could be said to be an over-hyped statement.

I guess the best possible way to get clear data of what possibility AI have in the gambling market is to create a poll in that direction and let members vote according to their own knowledge and convictions,  this way you can get clear data as to what possibilities await ChatGPT.
People here in the forum are eager to see AI models becoming experts in gambling so that they can use them to win some money which is not going to happen.  Grin These AI models are not made for gambling and they cannot play any gambling game effectively, if you use them for research and analysis of sports events, it might assist you but it won't provide you with accurate predictions itself.

We need to understand that we have not reached that time yet when AI is ready to take over humans in a lot of things, maybe in the future, if developers can do wonders, AI models can be able to do things we can't even expect they can do.

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