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June 11, 2023, 05:00:59 AM
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Let's simplify it: gambling is a big industry, and they would not allow an AI that could potentially disrupt their business. As of now, there is no AI that has single-handedly destroyed a gambling business. If such an AI were to exist, the entire industry would be heavily impacted since many gambling businesses rely on similar systems for the games they offer to gamblers.
Even if such AI exists, casinos will find a solution because it relates to their business and casino owners don't want to see that their business can't generate huge profits. And this will also be done by business owners in other fields because if they see a threat from AI, they will look for someone or several people to deal with that threat. Of course, they still want to grow their business even if casino owners also have to apply AI to their businesses. And business owners who always keep abreast of technological developments will have the opportunity to develop their businesses properly.

Using AI on poker isn't really even new idea, as you have been able to do this with programs already. Ai is just an overkill calculator for counting odds. Because if we go with basics i don't think it's so hard to count your changes. Pros can do that in their head. And it's really hard for me to believe that AI could pick all the nuances pro players can as most of that isn't even happening in concious level.

Maybe it can and it's all about the level of prompts you give to it. But even then, it's not like casino would lose much for poker players having an edge when they are playing against each other anyway. Casino gets tournament participation fees no matter what.
We have indeed experienced playing poker against AI. If it were in the program, we would be up against bots because we have no opponents to play with. And from that simple program, AI emerged, which has been growing and will develop again. And from there, we can learn a lot to become pro poker players to play cards even better.

But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

I think it’s the other way around. If AI is dominating the poker games to the point that even pro will be no match to AI then the use of it will be banned by most of the casino since it defeats the purpose of gambling if the player is not enjoying anymore playing by themselves.

Letting an AI to play for you is like a way to cheat with other players since you are relying on artificial intelligence to have an advantage against other player. And in the future this AI is possible, I think other players will use it too so it will be an AI vs AI battle which is pretty boring because there will be no action anymore such as bluffing since AI is not capable of doing tricks to read human behaviors.

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June 11, 2023, 10:14:18 AM
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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

I think it’s the other way around. If AI is dominating the poker games to the point that even pro will be no match to AI then the use of it will be banned by most of the casino since it defeats the purpose of gambling if the player is not enjoying anymore playing by themselves.

Letting an AI to play for you is like a way to cheat with other players since you are relying on artificial intelligence to have an advantage against other player. And in the future this AI is possible, I think other players will use it too so it will be an AI vs AI battle which is pretty boring because there will be no action anymore such as bluffing since AI is not capable of doing tricks to read human behaviors.

That's it why they take this so much since this will just add up some problem that need to work on. They could just ban its usage so that there's no problem will occur to them. Then set some rules with heavy fines so that their gamblers will not use it or will never think about to take advantage to use a technology to outsmart the casino.

Also its no fun to use AI vs AI since no excitement will happen so they should maintain a pvp theme unto their platform so that their players will be more challenge to play.

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June 11, 2023, 11:03:03 AM
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Also its no fun to use AI vs AI since no excitement will happen so they should maintain a pvp theme unto their platform so that their players will be more challenge to play.

When you play against the gambling site, you are actually playing against an AI robot and therefore your chances of winning are much lower a compare to the Player vs Player games, because in such games the winning probability is at least 50%.

I don't think that chatGPT and other AI enhancements will destroy the online gambling. Both the gamblers and the gambling sites will continue to use AI for their betterment and we will have a whole new better online gambling experience with the advancement of the Artificial intelligence.

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June 11, 2023, 11:26:13 AM
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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

I think it’s the other way around. If AI is dominating the poker games to the point that even pro will be no match to AI then the use of it will be banned by most of the casino since it defeats the purpose of gambling if the player is not enjoying anymore playing by themselves.

Letting an AI to play for you is like a way to cheat with other players since you are relying on artificial intelligence to have an advantage against other player. And in the future this AI is possible, I think other players will use it too so it will be an AI vs AI battle which is pretty boring because there will be no action anymore such as bluffing since AI is not capable of doing tricks to read human behaviors.

No entertainment but more on the money side, casino owners might ban this or they may adjust to use also that same system to avoid gamblers to take advantage. Just like what you said it will be more boring since you will not see bluffing strategy that added enjoyment when you successfully use it and win the deal.

We don't know what the future will offer and how adoptions will take place with both players and casino owners, whether AI will be embraced with an open arms or the other way around.

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June 11, 2023, 02:30:50 PM
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I agree with you in that statement, and I also believe that even if an AI learns 100x from their current level of understanding they still won't be able to compete with humans when it comes to emotions. I'm sure that an AI could mimic and learn logical things but when it comes to emotions it will just act like a puppet and fail in that race. Only humans could feel the minds and emotions of other humans and that skill takes time to develop. It may require 100's of years for an AI to learn even simple emotions because a Robot could learn the moves but learning of emotions isn't a move and can't be learned to an AI.

In the game of Poker humans use their emotional intelligence to win others and sometimes the players have to play with the emotions of other players by bluffing the cards in order to create fear in the minds of the other players who despite having way powerful cards may fold just because of the fear of losing the hand. Poker is a very tricky game and even a user with two Aces could lose if the cards of the table aren't in their favor. The game can't be mastered only because someone is more intelligent than others but it requires some emotional touch as well. I'm quite sure that the AI will fail more than 99% when it comes to emotions and the humans will still beat it out easily.
Exactly, some people simply ignore the fact that AI might have very strong coding and algorithms to count cards or remember everything and even be able to beat humans in a game where intelligence is the question, but when it comes to emotions, it will fail miserably if a person playing against it is both intelligent and understands how emotional manipulation works and poker is mainly about that.

So an AI model might be too good at some games, and it will eventually fail at poker because we cannot program emotions and feelings into it and humans will beat it in that department, that's why it is not really a good option to use an AI model for playing poker.

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June 11, 2023, 04:32:40 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

There is some analogy with chess algorithms and programs that can now defeat the top players in the world. However I'm not quite sure the same is true for poker, as the best it'll tend to do is based on choosing the right response based on pot odds. It might be able to go a step further and judge a bluff, but the best players in the world could probably determine the point where it will fold to a bluff. If the bot had a large amount of analysis specific to the player it was against, then it could potentially determine a countering strategy and pick out bluffs more effectively.

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June 12, 2023, 06:20:32 AM
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Also its no fun to use AI vs AI since no excitement will happen so they should maintain a pvp theme unto their platform so that their players will be more challenge to play.

When you play against the gambling site, you are actually playing against an AI robot and therefore your chances of winning are much lower a compare to the Player vs Player games, because in such games the winning probability is at least 50%.

I don't think that chatGPT and other AI enhancements will destroy the online gambling. Both the gamblers and the gambling sites will continue to use AI for their betterment and we will have a whole new better online gambling experience with the advancement of the Artificial intelligence.

That's why I say its no fun to see Ai vs Ai because there's no exciting we can get with that. And I actually mean pvp  since those gives us more exciting then gave more better chance to win. I also doubt that this AI can destroy the gambling platforms since sane with those technology there are also great minds working on casino so for sure AI using or abuse cannot penetrate well on big casino since provably they are prepared for this type of possible abuse.

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June 12, 2023, 08:02:25 AM
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Also its no fun to use AI vs AI since no excitement will happen so they should maintain a pvp theme unto their platform so that their players will be more challenge to play.

When you play against the gambling site, you are actually playing against an AI robot and therefore your chances of winning are much lower a compare to the Player vs Player games, because in such games the winning probability is at least 50%.

I don't think that chatGPT and other AI enhancements will destroy the online gambling. Both the gamblers and the gambling sites will continue to use AI for their betterment and we will have a whole new better online gambling experience with the advancement of the Artificial intelligence.
Online gambling will not be destroyed by AI because they also use AI as well as gambling users, but this technology is still relatively new to use at the moment, everything needs time to develop further, AI is just artificial intelligence, this might be useful in the future future for gambling users and gambling platforms.

Yes, it's true, player vs player gambling like PVP will certainly be liked and enjoyed too because it can possibly get a higher win than gambling using AI where users and gambling platforms both use AI and of course it will be very difficult to win from games that involve AI.

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June 12, 2023, 02:37:53 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
Chat GPT can make your life a lot easier. By using this chat gpt we can know many unknown information. But here this chat gpt can give information about all your work activities but i think this chat gpt can never predict. If it was then people would have predicted everything through this chat gpt. For example, if Chat GPT could predict the UEFA Champions League final match, people would gamble on predictions from here. So this prediction chat gpt will never make and online casino platform for this chat gpt will never be destroyed.

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June 12, 2023, 04:11:51 PM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
Chat GPT can make your life a lot easier. By using this chat gpt we can know many unknown information. But here this chat gpt can give information about all your work activities but i think this chat gpt can never predict. If it was then people would have predicted everything through this chat gpt. For example, if Chat GPT could predict the UEFA Champions League final match, people would gamble on predictions from here. So this prediction chat gpt will never make and online casino platform for this chat gpt will never be destroyed.
If Chat GPT is asked for anything in advance, it shows that it will not able to do that and from this we understand that Chat GPT can never tell what will happen in the future. Moreover we also know the fact that it provides various information based on the input text only. So naturally we can say that Chat GPT can not give any kind of information and can not make any gambling predictions. Some gamblers think about gambling based on other people's information when they can't make a decision after researching various things to win at gambling. Based on that thinking, if one seeks help from Chat GPT, he will have no certainty of winning at gambling, even if he is a bit ahead for analysis. No matter how great the invention is in the world but it is impossible to predict the future.

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June 12, 2023, 06:04:13 PM
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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

I think it’s the other way around. If AI is dominating the poker games to the point that even pro will be no match to AI then the use of it will be banned by most of the casino since it defeats the purpose of gambling if the player is not enjoying anymore playing by themselves.

Letting an AI to play for you is like a way to cheat with other players since you are relying on artificial intelligence to have an advantage against other player. And in the future this AI is possible, I think other players will use it too so it will be an AI vs AI battle which is pretty boring because there will be no action anymore such as bluffing since AI is not capable of doing tricks to read human behaviors.

Do you think that casino will be worried whether the players are having any difficulty due to Artificial intelligence or are the players enjoying the gambling experience on thier site ?

Apart from the few good casinos, most casino only focus on their own money and they wouldn't hesitate to deploy AI only to make games more difficult and challenging for the gamblers.

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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
There is no way an AI will be capable to destroy online poker gaming. I mean, the game is played between two to ten players, each of them have different combination of cards, there is no way an AI can build a strategy out of thin air because there are a lot of combinations that its opponents may have in hand.
Imagine, an AI can beat a person in chess game because it knows opponent's pieces and knows where they are located. Because of that, an AI is capable to mathematically calculate every possible way and always act according to the best one but Poker is a guess what your opponent has game. If I have good cards on hand, absolutely no one and nothing will be able to beat me.

An AI robot may have an advantage in real-life poker matches if it's advanced and capable to understand the emotions of its' opponents as they change facial expression.

But poker is a lot about statistics, so you may not hit every round but it may be possible to hit more rounds than your oponent. Even if you are good 51% of the time you will make money in the long term. It is not that difficult and less for a computer to keep track of the many variables in the game and I think and Open AI could perfectly become the next world champion.

Yes, well, taking into account what you say, this is a clear difference between casinos and classic games, as we play them over the long term, what we do is increase the probability of losing, this is something that we should always begin to see , Now, the way you say it pleases me, because for that reason there are so many experts in poker, some take it as a profession and it is something totally respectable, I think that the more poker is studied and the more work is done to With experience you can become a professional.

For me, a poker expert or professional is someone who always wins championships, tournaments, that for me is a professional, and that is why I find it so difficult to grow in poker , in addition to having great capital.

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June 13, 2023, 08:25:26 AM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
There is no way an AI will be capable to destroy online poker gaming. I mean, the game is played between two to ten players, each of them have different combination of cards, there is no way an AI can build a strategy out of thin air because there are a lot of combinations that its opponents may have in hand.
Imagine, an AI can beat a person in chess game because it knows opponent's pieces and knows where they are located. Because of that, an AI is capable to mathematically calculate every possible way and always act according to the best one but Poker is a guess what your opponent has game. If I have good cards on hand, absolutely no one and nothing will be able to beat me.

An AI robot may have an advantage in real-life poker matches if it's advanced and capable to understand the emotions of its' opponents as they change facial expression.

But poker is a lot about statistics, so you may not hit every round but it may be possible to hit more rounds than your oponent. Even if you are good 51% of the time you will make money in the long term. It is not that difficult and less for a computer to keep track of the many variables in the game and I think and Open AI could perfectly become the next world champion.

Yes, well, taking into account what you say, this is a clear difference between casinos and classic games, as we play them over the long term, what we do is increase the probability of losing, this is something that we should always begin to see , Now, the way you say it pleases me, because for that reason there are so many experts in poker, some take it as a profession and it is something totally respectable, I think that the more poker is studied and the more work is done to With experience you can become a professional.

For me, a poker expert or professional is someone who always wins championships, tournaments, that for me is a professional, and that is why I find it so difficult to grow in poker , in addition to having great capital.


With the statement above you, only means that with the right information AI can beat anyone as it can be possible as programs can be develop in terms of additional information that being supply to update the knowledge and to adopt to any changes, though in game like pokers where there are strategy which human knowledge can only adjust in an actual game time, I see a big differnce in a possible outcome.

But I don't see any problem if AI system will learn a lot and make more winning sessions, as time pass and the learning process
can be done in updating AI system.

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June 13, 2023, 09:59:22 AM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
There is no way an AI will be capable to destroy online poker gaming. I mean, the game is played between two to ten players, each of them have different combination of cards, there is no way an AI can build a strategy out of thin air because there are a lot of combinations that its opponents may have in hand.
Imagine, an AI can beat a person in chess game because it knows opponent's pieces and knows where they are located. Because of that, an AI is capable to mathematically calculate every possible way and always act according to the best one but Poker is a guess what your opponent has game. If I have good cards on hand, absolutely no one and nothing will be able to beat me.

An AI robot may have an advantage in real-life poker matches if it's advanced and capable to understand the emotions of its' opponents as they change facial expression.

But poker is a lot about statistics, so you may not hit every round but it may be possible to hit more rounds than your oponent. Even if you are good 51% of the time you will make money in the long term. It is not that difficult and less for a computer to keep track of the many variables in the game and I think and Open AI could perfectly become the next world champion.

Yes, well, taking into account what you say, this is a clear difference between casinos and classic games, as we play them over the long term, what we do is increase the probability of losing, this is something that we should always begin to see , Now, the way you say it pleases me, because for that reason there are so many experts in poker, some take it as a profession and it is something totally respectable, I think that the more poker is studied and the more work is done to With experience you can become a professional.

For me, a poker expert or professional is someone who always wins championships, tournaments, that for me is a professional, and that is why I find it so difficult to grow in poker , in addition to having great capital.


With the statement above you, only means that with the right information AI can beat anyone as it can be possible as programs can be develop in terms of additional information that being supply to update the knowledge and to adopt to any changes, though in game like pokers where there are strategy which human knowledge can only adjust in an actual game time, I see a big differnce in a possible outcome.

But I don't see any problem if AI system will learn a lot and make more winning sessions, as time pass and the learning process
can be done in updating AI system.
Unfortunately, AI can learn in such a way that eventually it will move to the control of random processes in provable honesty algorithms that online casinos use.  In this case, the distribution of cards in poker generally goes completely to AI.  And "provable honesty" just becomes a sham.  Well, it is obvious that it becomes impossible to win poker against AI in this case. 
And a natural question arises - why play at all when you know in advance that you will lose?  It seems that this is not a game, but simply proof of the power of AI and its dominance over humans. 
Whether we all want to come to this is a big philosophical question. 
For example, I don't want to!

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June 13, 2023, 10:10:53 AM
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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
Chat GPT can make your life a lot easier. By using this chat gpt we can know many unknown information. But here this chat gpt can give information about all your work activities but i think this chat gpt can never predict. If it was then people would have predicted everything through this chat gpt. For example, if Chat GPT could predict the UEFA Champions League final match, people would gamble on predictions from here. So this prediction chat gpt will never make and online casino platform for this chat gpt will never be destroyed.

For every newly introduced advanced technology in gambling, their aims is to engage gamblers on a better experience than they have been having over time, we cannot expect the system to favour one side against the other, they were being made to have the best experience in using them while gambling and this is one of the mistake most of the gamblers do thinking that when they use the AI technology while gambling, it will increase their chances for winining which is not.



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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??
Chat GPT can make your life a lot easier. By using this chat gpt we can know many unknown information. But here this chat gpt can give information about all your work activities but i think this chat gpt can never predict. If it was then people would have predicted everything through this chat gpt. For example, if Chat GPT could predict the UEFA Champions League final match, people would gamble on predictions from here. So this prediction chat gpt will never make and online casino platform for this chat gpt will never be destroyed.
If Chat GPT is asked for anything in advance, it shows that it will not able to do that and from this we understand that Chat GPT can never tell what will happen in the future. Moreover we also know the fact that it provides various information based on the input text only. So naturally we can say that Chat GPT can not give any kind of information and can not make any gambling predictions. Some gamblers think about gambling based on other people's information when they can't make a decision after researching various things to win at gambling. Based on that thinking, if one seeks help from Chat GPT, he will have no certainty of winning at gambling, even if he is a bit ahead for analysis. No matter how great the invention is in the world but it is impossible to predict the future.

I agree with this.

Currently, Chatgpt doesn't have the ability to predict outcomes. It can only give the necessary information that you asked it to, but not the result of the approaching or on-going game. This is because it doesn't have the feature yet to give the results since it is only fed by data from certain years and isn't very much updated from the current and relevant events that could impact the game. Hence, if you ask it, it will not give you the answer you are expecting. And probably in the future, it will take time for it to happen. Maybe it could be upgraded and give you the percentage of win and lose, but I think in the next five years, it still can't predict the match results just yet. We can only hope for the best and be positive about it if you are that person that heavily relies on AI. But as for me, I'd rather use it as a complimentary source of info rather depending on it as a whole.
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June 13, 2023, 01:27:35 PM
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With the statement above you, only means that with the right information AI can beat anyone as it can be possible as programs can be develop in terms of additional information that being supply to update the knowledge and to adopt to any changes, though in game like pokers where there are strategy which human knowledge can only adjust in an actual game time, I see a big differnce in a possible outcome.

But I don't see any problem if AI system will learn a lot and make more winning sessions, as time pass and the learning process
can be done in updating AI system.
With the right information, anyone can beat anyone. An AI can't learn an individual in a short timeframe, keep in mind that there are some poker tournaments, I don't remember how they are called but on these tournaments you play very quickly, each new hand is played on new table. In this case, an AI can't learn any behavior of its opponent because it faces new opponents every time.
Poker is not a chess, Poker is not a math, it's a combination of luck, psychology and math with the proportion of 40 40 20 (it's just my idea).

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June 13, 2023, 02:53:33 PM
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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

I think it’s the other way around. If AI is dominating the poker games to the point that even pro will be no match to AI then the use of it will be banned by most of the casino since it defeats the purpose of gambling if the player is not enjoying anymore playing by themselves.

Letting an AI to play for you is like a way to cheat with other players since you are relying on artificial intelligence to have an advantage against other player. And in the future this AI is possible, I think other players will use it too so it will be an AI vs AI battle which is pretty boring because there will be no action anymore such as bluffing since AI is not capable of doing tricks to read human behaviors.
Well, that can also be done by casinos as a preventive measure so that casinos can still withstand AI waves that can threaten their business. We still wonder how AI will develop in the next few years so many of us don't think that AI might not be interesting. That's because the current development of AI is also not very significant so we see it as something difficult to accept.

If there will be an AI vs AI battle in the future, that will be interesting because it will depend on how one can program the AI to win the game. And again, it will require a human way of thinking to trick his opponent into winning.

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June 14, 2023, 09:05:24 AM
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But we must be patient again because the developers are still working on finding the codes for the AI to help people learn poker. And it is possible that traditional poker players will decrease in the future because they will prefer AI to play poker.

The developers are doing their best at building AI based software for every purpose these days and poker is also in that list. I have seen some AI bots that are mostly into the field of poker and one of them is ruse AI. Another open source bot that has the ability to play poker is "Deep mind pokerbot," and the developer claims that the bot can automatically play GGPoker game. The best thing about this bot is its open-source nature and that means anyone can change the code according to their needs.

I don't think that traditional poker players will ever stop playing poker because of such AI bots. The traditional players are true fans of the game and they find it very entertaining, and when someone finds a game entertaining then he/she will never stop playing that game. They will continue playing the game but the problem they will have to face is AI against those legit players and which can result into hard competition for them. The greedy fellows will run those bots to earn a lot from poker and the legit players may lose some money if their tactics are weak against AI.

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