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July 24, 2023, 10:38:33 PM
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The champions league next season is filled up with new teams especially from the English side,we have Necastle and Arsenal who will be involved this time,and they will looking forward to atleast getting to either quater final or semi finals.As for Newcastle,they really did well in the premier league and would want to replicate that same form in the champions league.I really admire the way they play,with aggression,energy and phisicality.If they play just the way they play in the premier league,teams from other league will find it difficult to defeat them,and they will really do well.But they still need to add some quality signings to their team,they might have a good squad now,but they need some  players that will re-energise them and improve their squad depth as well.And as for Arsenal,i just think they are certainly going to do well in the champions league next season.

All of your assumptions about these two clubs were based on their previous league performance, which qualified them for the Champions League this coming season. We're not so sure they'll bring the same intensity as they did in the domestic league when they play in the Champions League by next season. As we all know, this is the champions league, and the greatest teams from each league will be found here. I wouldn’t want to look down on any team that they can’t make it far in the league, but I would only make assumptions about who will advance in the Champions League after the competition begins next season.

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July 24, 2023, 10:39:03 PM
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The champions league next season is filled up with new teams especially from the English side,we have Necastle and Arsenal who will be involved this time,and they will looking forward to atleast getting to either quater final or semi finals.As for Newcastle,they really did well in the premier league and would want to replicate that same form in the champions league.I really admire the way they play,with aggression,energy and phisicality.If they play just the way they play in the premier league,teams from other league will find it difficult to defeat them,and they will really do well.But they still need to add some quality signings to their team,they might have a good squad now,but they need some  players that will re-energise them and improve their squad depth as well.And as for Arsenal,i just think they are certainly going to do well in the champions league next season.
For the first time in some couple of years English Premier League wouldn't be represented in the UEFA Champions League competition by the either of Chelsea or Liverpool rather they'll have another representatives including Arsenal and Newcastle who deservedly deserve their place in the competition.
The change of teams to represent the English Premier League isn't a big issue but more importantly is wether the two new clubs would deliver quality representation by reaching at least the quarter finals of the competition

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July 24, 2023, 10:45:43 PM
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The champions league next season is filled up with new teams especially from the English side,we have Necastle and Arsenal who will be involved this time,and they will looking forward to atleast getting to either quater final or semi finals.As for Newcastle,they really did well in the premier league and would want to replicate that same form in the champions league.I really admire the way they play,with aggression,energy and phisicality.If they play just the way they play in the premier league,teams from other league will find it difficult to defeat them,and they will really do well.But they still need to add some quality signings to their team,they might have a good squad now,but they need some  players that will re-energise them and improve their squad depth as well.And as for Arsenal,i just think they are certainly going to do well in the champions league next season.
For the first time in some couple of years English Premier League wouldn't be represented in the UEFA Champions League competition by the either of Chelsea or Liverpool rather they'll have another representatives including Arsenal and Newcastle who deservedly deserve their place in the competition.
The change of teams to represent the English Premier League isn't a big issue but more importantly is wether the two new clubs would deliver quality representation by reaching at least the quarter finals of the competition

It is very sad that we will not see Liverpool and Chelsea in the Champions League next season. We see these two teams performing in the Champions League almost every season. And both are considered very strong teams on the Champions League platform. Arsenal and Newcastle have qualified for the Champions League next season. There is no doubt that the Arsenal team is strong enough. But I have enough doubts about whether Newcastle will be able to pass the group stage. Newcastle's owner is very rich. Thought they would add some star players to the squad this season. But the Newcastle coach didn't do anything like that. It will also be difficult for the team to maintain the consistency of performance in the coming season.

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July 24, 2023, 10:46:52 PM
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Now, the Mbappe and PSG drama is widening as rumours are that PSG have received an offer from Al Hilal who are willing to give them 300 million for Mbappe and a salary of 700 million.
This will create a new drama for Mbappe because of course if you look at this salary and price it will be very tempting but on the other hand there is a price to pay and of course if Mbappe is also willing then he must give up several opportunities in his career just for money.
Indeed money will be guaranteed in Arabia but when it comes to career this is risky actually.

So, this will be a new chapter and now it is worth discussing whether it is worth Mbappe going to the Arab league for big money but sacrificing his career?

But this sounds like a fairytale because Al-Hilal even accepts when he wants to leave the club after one year again. I mean if I were him, I don't think I could justify a no against that offer. When all circumstances are considered, this offer is crazy as all parties get what they want. Mbappe said he doesn't care when he has to train with the second team and he wants to stay with the club for the next year. If he does that he gets some bonus, but now he could sign a one year contract for so much money that it will never matter again what other contracts he signs and under what conditions. At first I thought it it impossible that we will see him in Saudi Arabia, but when this is true I think it is possible.

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July 24, 2023, 11:02:10 PM
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It is very sad that we will not see Liverpool and Chelsea in the Champions League next season. We see these two teams performing in the Champions League almost every season. And both are considered very strong teams on the Champions League platform. Arsenal and Newcastle have qualified for the Champions League next season. There is no doubt that the Arsenal team is strong enough. But I have enough doubts about whether Newcastle will be able to pass the group stage. Newcastle's owner is very rich. Thought they would add some star players to the squad this season. But the Newcastle coach didn't do anything like that. It will also be difficult for the team to maintain the consistency of performance in the coming season.
Yes, it also looks like a mystery to me how Newcastle will look in the Champions League group stage. However, experience is a gainful thing and it is in such matches that this experience is gained. It all depends on how Newcastle will strengthen and which opponents they will come across in the group stage. The Champions League is not an English Premier League tournament and the price of a mistake here is much higher and this mistake is much more difficult to fix. But still, I would venture to assume that Newcastle will probably still get out of the group.
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July 25, 2023, 12:56:37 AM
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Yes, it also looks like a mystery to me how Newcastle will look in the Champions League group stage. However, experience is a gainful thing and it is in such matches that this experience is gained. It all depends on how Newcastle will strengthen and which opponents they will come across in the group stage. The Champions League is not an English Premier League tournament and the price of a mistake here is much higher and this mistake is much more difficult to fix. But still, I would venture to assume that Newcastle will probably still get out of the group.
I'm keeping a close eye on Newcastle in the Champions league next season, I can't wait to watch them play in top competition. Newcastle United will undoubtedly qualify from their UEFA Champions League group; they have everything it takes. Eddie Howe, the Magpies' manager, has done an excellent job of for the club, bringing them back into competitiveness and qualifying for a UEFA CL position for next season. This is not the EPL; things are radically different, and even the most minor error would automatically eliminate them from the competition, therefore they would proceed with extreme caution when facing their opponents.

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July 25, 2023, 01:30:02 AM
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Bayern Munich is still in a situation in which can't be sure about their future in the next season and I think even if they buy players like Harry Kane still Bayern Munich is not in a situation to have a better chance than Manchester City in the next champions league.
At least bayern has tried to make its team perform even better next season. Even though the chance to win UCL is still relatively small but i would say if anything can happen. Any team has their own chances in winning UCL.

I would not be pessimistic before we are seeing how good the new squad being formed by tuchel. It will be so bad if people keep have bad opinions about that.

Tuchel tried so hard in building it. The club was able winning with non sense scores against mediocre club.

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July 25, 2023, 05:38:18 AM
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All of your assumptions about these two clubs were based on their previous league performance, which qualified them for the Champions League this coming season. We're not so sure they'll bring the same intensity as they did in the domestic league when they play in the Champions League by next season. As we all know, this is the champions league, and the greatest teams from each league will be found here. I wouldn’t want to look down on any team that they can’t make it far in the league, but I would only make assumptions about who will advance in the Champions League after the competition begins next season.
The Champions League always presents a different atmosphere from the local league, the best teams will meet each other here in order to be the best in the end. The competition in the Champions League is much fiercer than the local league, the teams that qualify for the UCL always display different performances than they show in the local leagues.
Surprises always come when teams that are not underdogs are met with big teams, Barcelona have felt how fierce the competition was in the Champions League last season. It is difficult to make predictions before the competition starts, after entering the round of 16 it will begin to appear that the teams will go further after seeing the performance in the several matches they have shown in the group stage.

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July 25, 2023, 06:27:49 AM
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Now, the Mbappe and PSG drama is widening as rumours are that PSG have received an offer from Al Hilal who are willing to give them 300 million for Mbappe and a salary of 700 million.
This will create a new drama for Mbappe because of course if you look at this salary and price it will be very tempting but on the other hand there is a price to pay and of course if Mbappe is also willing then he must give up several opportunities in his career just for money.
Indeed money will be guaranteed in Arabia but when it comes to career this is risky actually.

So, this will be a new chapter and now it is worth discussing whether it is worth Mbappe going to the Arab league for big money but sacrificing his career?

But this sounds like a fairytale because Al-Hilal even accepts when he wants to leave the club after one year again. I mean if I were him, I don't think I could justify a no against that offer. When all circumstances are considered, this offer is crazy as all parties get what they want. Mbappe said he doesn't care when he has to train with the second team and he wants to stay with the club for the next year. If he does that he gets some bonus, but now he could sign a one year contract for so much money that it will never matter again what other contracts he signs and under what conditions. At first I thought it it impossible that we will see him in Saudi Arabia, but when this is true I think it is possible.
Yep, it can be said that this is like an Exclusive offer offered by Al Hilal regardless of the story that is like a fairy tale or whatever it is because seeing from the conditions this offer is very difficult to leave alone.
The problem is whether he will really give up the condition where fame will be obtained just for the sake of money now.
Because indirectly with his departure from Europe, the Ballon d'Or candidate and several other opportunities will be released so that this can also be a consideration.

On the other hand, it is likely that some people will also differ in opinion on this matter because seeing from some people who are fed up with Mbappe's specialty they definitely want him to leave Europa but of course the decision is also in Mbappe's hands at the end.

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July 25, 2023, 07:01:31 AM
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Bayern Munich is still in a situation in which can't be sure about their future in the next season and I think even if they buy players like Harry Kane still Bayern Munich is not in a situation to have a better chance than Manchester City in the next champions league.
At least bayern has tried to make its team perform even better next season. Even though the chance to win UCL is still relatively small but i would say if anything can happen. Any team has their own chances in winning UCL.

I would not be pessimistic before we are seeing how good the new squad being formed by tuchel. It will be so bad if people keep have bad opinions about that.

Tuchel tried so hard in building it. The club was able winning with non sense scores against mediocre club.
Before the competition starts, every team has the same chance to win the Champions League trophy. Bayern Munich is one of the challengers to be reckoned with in the Champions League, the experience and quality of the team has always made Bayern Munich one of the favourites. Tuchel adventure at Bayern Munich has just begun, last season he only continued the journey that Julian Nagelsmann had taken. Building a squad is Tuchel main task, he must be able to provide the best for Bayern Munich in domestic competition and the Champions League.

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July 25, 2023, 07:24:52 AM
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Yes, it also looks like a mystery to me how Newcastle will look in the Champions League group stage. However, experience is a gainful thing and it is in such matches that this experience is gained. It all depends on how Newcastle will strengthen and which opponents they will come across in the group stage. The Champions League is not an English Premier League tournament and the price of a mistake here is much higher and this mistake is much more difficult to fix. But still, I would venture to assume that Newcastle will probably still get out of the group.
I'm keeping a close eye on Newcastle in the Champions league next season, I can't wait to watch them play in top competition. Newcastle United will undoubtedly qualify from their UEFA Champions League group; they have everything it takes. Eddie Howe, the Magpies' manager, has done an excellent job of for the club, bringing them back into competitiveness and qualifying for a UEFA CL position for next season. This is not the EPL; things are radically different, and even the most minor error would automatically eliminate them from the competition, therefore they would proceed with extreme caution when facing their opponents.
Eddie Howe is very serious to preparing Newcastle squad and it proven from Newcastle behaviour for this summer that Newcastle was very active to bought some players and for new player i have been watching Sandro Tonali performance during pre season tour and in my opinion he was performing well and can adapt quickly with Eddie Howe strategy and regarding Newcastle chances in this competition i think they had good chances to qualified from group stage but indeed this task is quite hard because Newcastle will facing some of big teams from outsides England

And just like i said before because this is their first appearance after 20 years so UEFA didn't putting them into the favourite and Newcastle current status as underdog team but if we see from their performance last season which is very stable on Premier League then they have potention to make big teams get in trouble but some people predict because Newcastle is in the pot 3 then most likely they will be into hell group

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July 25, 2023, 07:30:35 AM
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The champions league next season is filled up with new teams especially from the English side,we have Necastle and Arsenal who will be involved this time,and they will looking forward to atleast getting to either quater final or semi finals.As for Newcastle,they really did well in the premier league and would want to replicate that same form in the champions league.I really admire the way they play,with aggression,energy and phisicality.If they play just the way they play in the premier league,teams from other league will find it difficult to defeat them,and they will really do well.But they still need to add some quality signings to their team,they might have a good squad now,but they need some  players that will re-energise them and improve their squad depth as well.And as for Arsenal,i just think they are certainly going to do well in the champions league next season.

Yes, Arsenal and Newcastle will definitely improve better next season but it will be difficult for them to embrace the premier league title, because Manchester city are well organized to maintain their position this season to embrace the title again. Arsenal really displayed well but they find it difficult to win single title last season which is a big worry to their coach, because if he fail to win any title this season, he will not be giving any opportunity to coach Arsenal. Newcastle performed well last season in the premier league competition that made them to embraced good position that gave their fans hope that they will do better in this season to win many titles, and their coach is very ready to bring in new potential players this summer that will improve the team.

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July 25, 2023, 07:34:27 AM
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Before the competition starts, every team has the same chance to win the Champions League trophy. Bayern Munich is one of the challengers to be reckoned with in the Champions League, the experience and quality of the team has always made Bayern Munich one of the favourites. Tuchel adventure at Bayern Munich has just begun, last season he only continued the journey that Julian Nagelsmann had taken. Building a squad is Tuchel main task, he must be able to provide the best for Bayern Munich in domestic competition and the Champions League.
That's right, moreover all the teams are competing with each other to be the best to win the UCL title and talking about bayern munchen they last won the UCL title in 2020 and actually it wasn't that long ago until now. But Bayern Munich definitely want to prove once again their prowess for the most prestigious competition on the European continent and I think they should do well next season. Tuchel's task is indeed very difficult, especially for a team that is a strong candidate to win the champion's league every season and of course the fans really hope that this time Tuchel will be able to present this title again.

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July 25, 2023, 07:54:29 AM
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Before the competition starts, every team has the same chance to win the Champions League trophy. Bayern Munich is one of the challengers to be reckoned with in the Champions League, the experience and quality of the team has always made Bayern Munich one of the favourites. Tuchel adventure at Bayern Munich has just begun, last season he only continued the journey that Julian Nagelsmann had taken. Building a squad is Tuchel main task, he must be able to provide the best for Bayern Munich in domestic competition and the Champions League.
That's right, moreover all the teams are competing with each other to be the best to win the UCL title and talking about bayern munchen they last won the UCL title in 2020 and actually it wasn't that long ago until now. But Bayern Munich definitely want to prove once again their prowess for the most prestigious competition on the European continent and I think they should do well next season. Tuchel's task is indeed very difficult, especially for a team that is a strong candidate to win the champion's league every season and of course the fans really hope that this time Tuchel will be able to present this title again.

@rendravolt for Tuchel to succeed in the champions league he needs a player who can score many goals hence if he can get Kane then Bayern winning chances will increase a lot. Furthermore he needs to ship out Mane quickly and immediately get a quality replacement because Mane isn’t performing well at Bayern and after last season’s drama involving Mane it’s best if he’s sold off quickly.
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July 25, 2023, 09:02:51 AM
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Bayern Munich were quite disappointing in the Champions League last season. Actually it has been the case for 3 seasons. They were the champions in the 2019/20 season. But since then their biggest success is to reach the quarter finals. In one of these seasons they were even eliminated by Villarreal surprisingly.

It looks like something needs to change really much for them to do better here. Tuchel might be the one to make this happen maybe. He was amazing by winning the Champions League with Chelsea in his first season already in a time that they weren't given much chance for this achievement.

Of course this was a really difficult task. But now Tuchel will have an even more powerful squad in his hands. It is all up to his managing to work his system with this team from now on.
Bayern Munich certainly has to change a lot and improve the quality of its team if it wants to regain its glory in the Champions League. The season has changed and so has the power of other big teams, that matter has increased the competition between the big teams so it will be more and more difficult to win the title. If in the previous few seasons Real Madrid was the top favorite to win the title, then Manchester City is the team that will be the favourite in subsequent seasons, especially after they won their first title.

Bayern Munich, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona, ​​Inter, Napoli and several other big teams had to fight hard to win the title. Manchester City have done their best and have convinced many people that they can dominate Europe with their quality, but anything is always possible.

Bayern Munich is still in a situation in which can't be sure about their future in the next season and I think even if they buy players like Harry Kane still Bayern Munich is not in a situation to have a better chance than Manchester City in the next champions league.


Bayern Munich signing Harry Kane will likely do well in the Champions League but won't be guaranteed a Champions League win. If Harry joins Bayern Munich then Bayern Munich will be stronger but Manchester City will be ahead of Bayern Munich in terms of team performance. But there is a big difference between on-field and off-field statistics. Statistically you put a team ahead, but on the field the team did not perform as you planned, as a result of which the lesser teams sometimes won against the bigger teams. If Bayern Munich can sign Harry Kane and Manchester City and Bayern Munich face each other after signing Harry Kane, it will be a very tough game and it is impossible to predict which team will win. I wouldn't put Bayern Munich behind Manchester City if Harry Kane joined Munich, the two teams would be on equal footing.

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July 25, 2023, 09:10:15 AM
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Manchester United and other clubs compete for transfers, making it difficult. It's like musical chairs - who gets a seat after the music stops? Bayern Munich played well last season. However, Kane's striker skills could make the difference. The cost? That's another matter. Kane is worth investing in. An effective striker who scores goals is an investment. With Kane, they may sweep next season. Manchester United's interest requires quick action. Bayern's hesitancy could let Man Utd steal Kane.
Here we must also take into account the factor of competition. Manchester United is a direct competitor of Tottenham, so I think that Daniel Levy will have his own separate price list for MU, rather than for Bayern Munich and Paris Saint Germain Wink Therefore, most likely Tottenham probably do not specifically consider Manchester United as a buyer, unless the MU offers about 150 million euros. Usually, if there is an opportunity, they will not strengthen the competitor.

I don't think Manchester United will go towards such high transfer fees. Manchester United will probably give a figure of around 80-100 million Euros, which Bayern Munich has already given, but Tottenham is not willing to sell. Harry Kane is a great football player and he wants to be a champion. That's why the Bundesliga may appeal to him more.

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July 25, 2023, 09:18:07 AM
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Manchester United and other clubs compete for transfers, making it difficult. It's like musical chairs - who gets a seat after the music stops? Bayern Munich played well last season. However, Kane's striker skills could make the difference. The cost? That's another matter. Kane is worth investing in. An effective striker who scores goals is an investment. With Kane, they may sweep next season. Manchester United's interest requires quick action. Bayern's hesitancy could let Man Utd steal Kane.
Here we must also take into account the factor of competition. Manchester United is a direct competitor of Tottenham, so I think that Daniel Levy will have his own separate price list for MU, rather than for Bayern Munich and Paris Saint Germain Wink Therefore, most likely Tottenham probably do not specifically consider Manchester United as a buyer, unless the MU offers about 150 million euros. Usually, if there is an opportunity, they will not strengthen the competitor.

I don't think Manchester United will go towards such high transfer fees. Manchester United will probably give a figure of around 80-100 million Euros, which Bayern Munich has already given, but Tottenham is not willing to sell. Harry Kane is a great football player and he wants to be a champion. That's why the Bundesliga may appeal to him more.

He can also try and be a Champion with Manchester United and despite Tottenham asking high fees which in my honest opinion the fees of player transfers makes the games at gambling to lose money for most of us because this money needs to be recovered and they go and fix one or two games in a season,of course I have no clear evidence for this,however if we see the results most people then will agree with me,so Tottenham should not ask really high amount for Harry Kane and the other teams also should stop offering such insanely high prices for a single player.

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July 25, 2023, 09:41:36 AM
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Now, the Mbappe and PSG drama is widening as rumours are that PSG have received an offer from Al Hilal who are willing to give them 300 million for Mbappe and a salary of 700 million.
This will create a new drama for Mbappe because of course if you look at this salary and price it will be very tempting but on the other hand there is a price to pay and of course if Mbappe is also willing then he must give up several opportunities in his career just for money.
Indeed money will be guaranteed in Arabia but when it comes to career this is risky actually.

So, this will be a new chapter and now it is worth discussing whether it is worth Mbappe going to the Arab league for big money but sacrificing his career?

But this sounds like a fairytale because Al-Hilal even accepts when he wants to leave the club after one year again. I mean if I were him, I don't think I could justify a no against that offer. When all circumstances are considered, this offer is crazy as all parties get what they want. Mbappe said he doesn't care when he has to train with the second team and he wants to stay with the club for the next year. If he does that he gets some bonus, but now he could sign a one year contract for so much money that it will never matter again what other contracts he signs and under what conditions. At first I thought it it impossible that we will see him in Saudi Arabia, but when this is true I think it is possible.
Yep, it can be said that this is like an Exclusive offer offered by Al Hilal regardless of the story that is like a fairy tale or whatever it is because seeing from the conditions this offer is very difficult to leave alone.
The problem is whether he will really give up the condition where fame will be obtained just for the sake of money now.
Because indirectly with his departure from Europe, the Ballon d'Or candidate and several other opportunities will be released so that this can also be a consideration.

On the other hand, it is likely that some people will also differ in opinion on this matter because seeing from some people who are fed up with Mbappe's specialty they definitely want him to leave Europa but of course the decision is also in Mbappe's hands at the end.

Yes but this year is the best year he could waste for money because there is no World Cup, there is no European Championship and he could spend that year at Al-Hilal, earn the money and I am quite sure that those who are responsible for the French national team will also guarantee him to nominate him for the games during that year and also for the team that will play the European Championship. He will lose one year of playing Champions League and realistically one year to win the Ballon d’Or. Also, if PSG doesn't let him go to Real Madrid, his situation wouldn't even be much better. PSG won't win the Champions League and he can win Ligue 1, which is definitely not enough to win the Ballon d’Or either. So the time window for such a decision could not be better than now. He would not want to spend a year in Saudi Arabia when international tournaments and Champions League with a top team would be at risk.

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July 25, 2023, 09:48:19 AM
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I don't think Manchester United will go towards such high transfer fees. Manchester United will probably give a figure of around 80-100 million Euros, which Bayern Munich has already given, but Tottenham is not willing to sell. Harry Kane is a great football player and he wants to be a champion. That's why the Bundesliga may appeal to him more.
MU doesn't even have money to buy hojlund which worth around 80 millions and how can manchester united buy kane from totenham? It's an impossible thing to happen. Totenham is still waiting for the decision from kane. Kane already reached a personal agreement with bayern but he was much more interesting in moving to the manchester united instead of bayern. Bayern is still finalizing the deal with spurs about kane's fees. Bayern can't afford to pay 100 millions for him.
The club wants Spurs to lower their price for Kane to under 10 million, but it's unlikely since Spurs want to make a lot of money by selling Kane. The situation is still remain unclear at this moment. I hope kane will try to decide it as soon as possible. The kane's price has been preventing manchester united to make its first bid for him. There are some signals that if kane has a higher chance to join in bayern rather than manchester united.

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July 25, 2023, 10:20:38 AM
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He can also try and be a Champion with Manchester United and despite Tottenham asking high fees which in my honest opinion the fees of player transfers makes the games at gambling to lose money for most of us because this money needs to be recovered and they go and fix one or two games in a season,of course I have no clear evidence for this,however if we see the results most people then will agree with me,so Tottenham should not ask really high amount for Harry Kane and the other teams also should stop offering such insanely high prices for a single player.

That price has become the final decision by totenham. How many times bayern tried sent bid lower than 100 millions but totenham was always rejecting it without even making an explanation. Totenham is only let kane leaving from the club if there would be a club who gonna agree to pay 100 millions for him. The decline from totenham is clear. Bayern is working on the final deal for kane. The chance for MU to get kane become very small at this moment. It's better ten hag focusing in recruiting hojlund from atalanta rather than try to bring rumor about kane again.
The fact that if MU has no money to recruit hojlund. MU needs to sell a lot of players first to recruit kane from totenham. Glazer has not granted a substantial budget for Manchester United at present.
The transition of the club from the old to the new owner is also very long. Finishing this task is crucial for MU to use Jasim's money for the summer transfers..

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