⚽ Premier League 2024/2025 Discussion Thread ⚽

[tusandii]

Their squad depth is not as good as before - especially in defence. Savinho is not very good as a winger - while City also lack balance in midfield without a good defensive midfielder. Pep Guardiola can't force De Bruyne to perform like he used to - Foden isn't at his best either. Haaland was less than optimal due to a lack of creativity on the wings and midfield - so everything changed compared to the previous season.

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

Pep Guardiola has coached Man City for years and of course every strategy used by Pep Guardiola is monitored by has been monitored by many other clubs so I also feel that Pep Guardiola has run out of ideas to build a new strategy and that's what makes Arne Slot feel at an advantage because this coach is still fresh because he has many strategies that may not have been applied to his club so when facing several strong clubs in the EPL Liverpool is still very strong and difficult to stop, with this victory I am increasingly convinced that Liverpool can definitely win the EPL title because this club continues to perform consistently until now.

[TastyChillySauce00]

Their squad depth is not as good as before - especially in defence. Savinho is not very good as a winger - while City also lack balance in midfield without a good defensive midfielder. Pep Guardiola can't force De Bruyne to perform like he used to - Foden isn't at his best either. Haaland was less than optimal due to a lack of creativity on the wings and midfield - so everything changed compared to the previous season.

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

I don't think it was about the strategy. In fact, Pep did use inverted RB tonight. Their main problem is that in how long them to do transition. This creates a space for your opponent when only focusing on defending, then counter attacking.

I often saw how Pep always struggled against a parking bus strategy like what his club did against Liverpool. This has to be the most important puzzle he needs to solve. Once he can solve it, i believe his club may back to the winning the title when he settle it all.

[Swordsoffreedom]

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

I completely agree with you. Arne Slot understood Guardiola's match strategy very well. That's why it was quite easy for Liverpool to win this match.

It cannot be denied that Manchester City tried to dominate their home match. But at the end of the day, although Liverpool managed to score two goals, Manchester City could not score a single goal.



If we look at the match statistics, we can understand that Manchester City dominated the match. Manchester City had 66% ball possession and had 16 shots. On the other hand, Liverpool players had 8 shots.

[Luzin]

I often saw how Pep always struggled against a parking bus strategy like what his club did against Liverpool. This has to be the most important puzzle he needs to solve. Once he can solve it, i believe his club may back to the winning the title when he settle it all.

Losing again, Man City's suffering is getting bigger. It's possible that they won't have a trophy this season. Liverpool's victory made the gap 11 points. This condition makes Liverpool comfortable at the top of the temporary ranking. Seeing this game, Man City as usual dominated possession. But they are bad in 1/3 of the opponent's field.
Others are full-backs and centre-backs can always destroy the ball from the side. Because Man City plays a lot from the wing. Arne slot is also good, he makes good defense. They took advantage of Man City's high defense to do top balls and set pieces.  Then the Liverpool actor I admire Moh Salah played well. He became the key to Man City's victory. So Arne Slot has no loss to continue to extend Moh Salah's contract.

[mamesso]

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In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

Apart from losing points, the defeat to Liverpool at the Etihad stadium was the first time in Man City history under Guardiola. Man City are now 20 points behind Liverpool, a number that is very difficult to catch up with their performance which is still unstable, they have to wave the white flag in the title race and now must focus on securing a place in the top four.
Guardiola is increasingly under pressure with his team's current condition, after being eliminated from the UCL, now the opportunity to retain the EPL trophy is closed.

[mammusu]

I often saw how Pep always struggled against a parking bus strategy like what his club did against Liverpool. This has to be the most important puzzle he needs to solve. Once he can solve it, i believe his club may back to the winning the title when he settle it all.

Losing again, Man City's suffering is getting bigger. It's possible that they won't have a trophy this season. Liverpool's victory made the gap 11 points. This condition makes Liverpool comfortable at the top of the temporary ranking. Seeing this game, Man City as usual dominated possession. But they are bad in 1/3 of the opponent's field.
Others are full-backs and centre-backs can always destroy the ball from the side. Because Man City plays a lot from the wing. Arne slot is also good, he makes good defense. They took advantage of Man City's high defense to do top balls and set pieces.  Then the Liverpool actor I admire Moh Salah played well. He became the key to Man City's victory. So Arne Slot has no loss to continue to extend Moh Salah's contract.

The defeat from Liverpool became the eighth defeat for them this season and so far 8 defeats have become the second most defeats in one season that Guardiola has received since coaching Manchester City, the defeat is very painful for them at the moment especially the defeat of Liverpool they got at Etihad Stadium and not only that the defeat also thwarted their chances of coup Nottingham position in standing, besides manchester city who suffered, of course liverpool victory also had a very significant impact on Arsenal chances as a title contender this season, reach 3 points obtained by Liverpool made them stronger at the top standings and of course their chances and steps to win the trophy are getting closer this season.

[bitLeap]

Their squad depth is not as good as before - especially in defence. Savinho is not very good as a winger - while City also lack balance in midfield without a good defensive midfielder. Pep Guardiola can't force De Bruyne to perform like he used to - Foden isn't at his best either. Haaland was less than optimal due to a lack of creativity on the wings and midfield - so everything changed compared to the previous season.

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

The point is that Pe Gaurdiola strategy is outdated, even Arteta strategy is the same because both carry a similar game philosophy. So don't expect to be able to catch up with Liverpool in the standings. The difference is quite far and Arsenal will not be able to catch up. Arne Slot is very observant and knows Pep Guardiola game system very well and with Arne ingenuity he is able to close every movement of the Man City players so that they cannot do more on the field. In yesterday match Man City may have dominated the match but it was just empty talk when they were unable to score a goal. Arne Slot only needed 3 to 5 touches and then a goal was created. No need to pass the ball here and there for a pass and waste time for no reason.

[cryptoWODL]

Salah and Szoboszlai managed to bring Liverpool temporarily won 2-0 over manchester city in the 14th and 38th minute.

The result of today match is not only crucial for both teams, but as you said, the results that occur in the match will also affect the fate of nottingham forest and arsenal, if manchester city wins in today match Nottingham will indeed drop to 4th place, but I think there is still a chance for nottingham to be able to return to third place in their next match later, but not with what will be experienced by arsenal if Liverpool win today, because after their defeat from Westham yesterday and also if Liverpool win today, then we can say if arsenal chances of winning the league this season has been tightly closed because of the large points difference.

Today matches has already decided who the winners of the premiere league is, Liverpool winning Manchester city today has shown that the league this season belongs to them, morespecially arsenal has made it more easier for them by losing to wolves making the point difference to be much and am not seeing the possibility of Liverpool losing matche. As for Nottingham forest the possibility of them retaining third positions till the end of the season is not there because I believe they make lose more matches.

Everyone all had an idea about the match between Liverpool and Manchester City, that this match between these two teams could be the most interesting in the Premier League. But Manchester City didn't let what we felt be right at all, because we couldn't enjoy a good performance from them in any way. If you watch this match, you will be able to clearly understand that it was a completely one-sided match. Manchester City were unable to score, but Liverpool managed to score two goals, including one from Mohamed Salah. Arsenal are already far behind in my opinion due to their defeat in their last match, while Liverpool have been able to move further ahead.

[SmartCharpa]

Pep Guardiola has coached Man City for years and of course every strategy used by Pep Guardiola is monitored by has been monitored by many other clubs so I also feel that Pep Guardiola has run out of ideas to build a new strategy and that's what makes Arne Slot feel at an advantage because this coach is still fresh because he has many strategies that may not have been applied to his club so when facing several strong clubs in the EPL Liverpool is still very strong and difficult to stop, with this victory I am increasingly convinced that Liverpool can definitely win the EPL title because this club continues to perform consistently until now.

With Liverpool presently leading Arsenal by 11 points, which team do you think will stop them again this season? Liverpool has won the Premier League title this season and thanks to Arne Slot for a fantastic job. Even though many criticized Arne Slot he cannot reach this level with the team this season. Other managers are familiar with Guardiola's methods in play; winning the Premier League four times in a row is not an easy task for any manager, and Guardiola has no strategies to improve in the league, even with their new signings.

Guardiola must understand that this is their worst season after being humiliated in the Champions League by Real Madrid and then losing again in the Premier League to Liverpool. I wasn't expecting Manchester City to go without scoring at home against Liverpool; Liverpool won the second leg by two goals, the same goal they scored in the first leg when they hosted Manchester City.

[davis196]

Despite the bad season for Manchester City firing Pep Guardiola might be a risky move. I hear rumors that Kevin De Bruyne might leave Manchester City after the end of the season. De Breyne was consistently good in the last several seasons, but it seems that he is too old and tired to maintain a high performance. City definitely needs new players and I don't know who is going to pick those new players. Will the owners of Manchester City just give Guardiola a "blank check" and let him pick the new players? I really don't know.
Liverpool seems too dependent on Salah, but Salah is having a great season so far, 25 goals and 15 assists, if I'm correct.

[Velvet78]

Despite the bad season for Manchester City firing Pep Guardiola might be a risky move. I hear rumors that Kevin De Bruyne might leave Manchester City after the end of the season. De Breyne was consistently good in the last several seasons, but it seems that he is too old and tired to maintain a high performance. City definitely needs new players and I don't know who is going to pick those new players. Will the owners of Manchester City just give Guardiola a "blank check" and let him pick the new players? I really don't know.
Liverpool seems too dependent on Salah, but Salah is having a great season so far, 25 goals and 15 assists, if I'm correct.

Firing Guardiola? It would be a huge mistake. There isn't such thing like you can have a perfect season every year. Manchester City clearly need some big changes in the squad from now on.

De Bruyne is horrible unfortunately. He isn't as good as he was in the past anymore.    The best for him would be to leave immediately. There are many more useless players to be sold this season.

First I thought it could be because of concentration problems. But no. Some players just don't want to play. We saw it yesterday. Doku must be really disappointed with his teammates as he was the only one making a real effort.

[hyudien]

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

I don't think it was about the strategy. In fact, Pep did use inverted RB tonight. Their main problem is that in how long them to do transition. This creates a space for your opponent when only focusing on defending, then counter attacking.

I often saw how Pep always struggled against a parking bus strategy like what his club did against Liverpool. This has to be the most important puzzle he needs to solve. Once he can solve it, i believe his club may back to the winning the title when he settle it all.

I must admit that Pep Guardiola main style of play is ball possession, but unfortunately it doesn't mean they can easily penetrate the opponent's defense. Liverpool already understands Pep Guardiola game and Arne Slot takes advantage of the opponent's habits to move quickly to steal a score. You could say that 3 points were achieved quite easily, I even bet that both teams would score goals but Manchester City only played with their backs to their opponents without daring to execute. Marmoush almost didn't have any chance in this match he was really tightly guarded not to touch the ball for too long.

[emrecemsan]

Despite the bad season for Manchester City firing Pep Guardiola might be a risky move. I hear rumors that Kevin De Bruyne might leave Manchester City after the end of the season. De Breyne was consistently good in the last several seasons, but it seems that he is too old and tired to maintain a high performance. City definitely needs new players and I don't know who is going to pick those new players. Will the owners of Manchester City just give Guardiola a "blank check" and let him pick the new players? I really don't know.
Liverpool seems too dependent on Salah, but Salah is having a great season so far, 25 goals and 15 assists, if I'm correct.

I just think the chairman will go on with Guardiola without doubt. There is no reason to sack him just for not meeting the expectations in one season. That'd be insane IMHO. 

I think the scenario will be like this. Guardiola is going to be given another huge budget in the summer for new transfers. He is going to take action right away by putting the worst performers on the transfer list. Then he will replace them with better ones. Every player has an expiry date in the end. Like your example, De Bruyne. He is also aware how shitty he has been playing. Those long-running injuries must also have had some impact on that but anyway... I think we will see a comeback from Manchester City next season.

[Obari]

Firing Guardiola? It would be a huge mistake. There isn't such thing like you can have a perfect season every year. Manchester City clearly need some big changes in the squad from now on.

De Bruyne is horrible unfortunately. He isn't as good as he was in the past anymore.    The best for him would be to leave immediately. There are many more useless players to be sold this season.

First I thought it could be because of concentration problems. But no. Some players just don't want to play. We saw it yesterday. Doku must be really disappointed with his teammates as he was the only one making a real effort.

Manchester City board are concentrated on getting the team back to their best feet, the view of seeing an elite team like Manchester City suffering back to back defeats means huge loss for the club. They've lost confidence in winning matches, so they stagger each time they encounter elite oppositions. One can easily notics the bewildered look on Pep Guardiola face, all his game pattern are shattered in muddled form this season. Manchester City is not in good form this season, the proof we need is all over the team's stats, poor performance and loses streak. What's the fate of Pep Guardiola in Manchester City?  He's still competent of leading his team to victory or probably faded?

[Derekfunds]

Despite the bad season for Manchester City firing Pep Guardiola might be a risky move. I hear rumors that Kevin De Bruyne might leave Manchester City after the end of the season. De Breyne was consistently good in the last several seasons, but it seems that he is too old and tired to maintain a high performance. City definitely needs new players and I don't know who is going to pick those new players. Will the owners of Manchester City just give Guardiola a "blank check" and let him pick the new players? I really don't know.
Liverpool seems too dependent on Salah, but Salah is having a great season so far, 25 goals and 15 assists, if I'm correct.

I don't see sacking Pep Guardiola as a good idea because every one has a time where things will appears tough and not working well but it is not always a permanent situation or circumstances rather it is a temporary one that will be get rid of soon. Kelvin de bryne leaving the club may be a good idea because even when he was doing well some seasons ago, his age was affecting him to some points though it is not like his not doing well now but he should also try another team if he wants to. Depending on a player is not always good because once the player get injury the whole team suffers it, just like what Arsenal is facing now because of the absence of Bukayo Saka.

[bitgolden]

Man United refused to give up, having been 2-0 down in the first half, they managed to improve the quality of the match in the second half and managed to score 2 goals to make the match a draw again. Maybe Amorim had time to motivate his players to refuse to lose, and they succeeded in doing so, but losing 2 points made Man United fail to improve their position in the standings.

While United getting a tie after being down 2-0 is great for them as a comeback, the fact that they got a 2-2 tie against Everton is a disgrace for them. Hell, I am not sure if we can even call it a disgrace anymore, maybe we should start calling it what is normal for United, after all they are the ones who ended up being one point under Everton this season and did not look any better at all.

They keep making chances, and they keep missing those chances, I can't really watch anymore, like no matter how "this is surely a goal" the possession is, they may end up missing somehow. Hopefully, they will figure out what's wrong with this club soon, or things will get even uglier, they are at a point where it may never recover ever again.

[Odogwu-Blockchain]

Man United refused to give up, having been 2-0 down in the first half, they managed to improve the quality of the match in the second half and managed to score 2 goals to make the match a draw again. Maybe Amorim had time to motivate his players to refuse to lose, and they succeeded in doing so, but losing 2 points made Man United fail to improve their position in the standings.

While United getting a tie after being down 2-0 is great for them as a comeback, the fact that they got a 2-2 tie against Everton is a disgrace for them. Hell, I am not sure if we can even call it a disgrace anymore, maybe we should start calling it what is normal for United, after all they are the ones who ended up being one point under Everton this season and did not look any better at all.

Manchester United is lacking a good centered midfielder and good finisher who can take chances and execute every opportunity in time. If they can't improve in the players right now, then I think they would wait for another transfer season to sell off some players and put others to loan, buy more into the club to fill out some missing spaces known by the coach and the team management. This would be a good step if this is actually done to reshuffle the players now that's is earlier.

[Hewlet]

Their squad depth is not as good as before - especially in defence. Savinho is not very good as a winger - while City also lack balance in midfield without a good defensive midfielder. Pep Guardiola can't force De Bruyne to perform like he used to - Foden isn't at his best either. Haaland was less than optimal due to a lack of creativity on the wings and midfield - so everything changed compared to the previous season.

In addition to the decline in performance, Pep's strategy can actually be read perfectly by Arni Slot. He understands very well how Pep implements the strategy, especially on 1st half. As we can see how the 1st goal created, Mohammed Salah was unguarded at the moment, even Salah is a top scorer but he is not separated from the defender's observation. It's the same on 2nd goal, the city defender repeats the same thing, Salah, and Szoboszlai still missed their surveillance, and create a nice collaboration on front for 2nd goal. That strange strategy Arni implemented 4-2-2-2, this making mess The city player when Luiz Diaz, and Jones looming them on the other side.

Mohamed Salah's first goal was just a brilliant corner kick that has been practiced to perfection and rightly implemented in the most perfect way possible. one thing about salah is that when he gets comfortable in a game, he plays and plays really well as though he is playing against a team that is in a relegation zone. slot is really getting things right for the team what a joy it will be for this positive run to continue to the end of the season. apart from losing points in the two simple games they draw, they would have been at a remarkable distance far ahead of any other team that is behind them and pressing in this pace to the end of the season would have made them winner of the league with the highest margin ever. that is still not out of the box as other teams are yet to get things right but rather struggling to secure some few points.

[AmoreJaz]

Man United refused to give up, having been 2-0 down in the first half, they managed to improve the quality of the match in the second half and managed to score 2 goals to make the match a draw again. Maybe Amorim had time to motivate his players to refuse to lose, and they succeeded in doing so, but losing 2 points made Man United fail to improve their position in the standings.

While United getting a tie after being down 2-0 is great for them as a comeback, the fact that they got a 2-2 tie against Everton is a disgrace for them. Hell, I am not sure if we can even call it a disgrace anymore, maybe we should start calling it what is normal for United, after all they are the ones who ended up being one point under Everton this season and did not look any better at all.

They keep making chances, and they keep missing those chances, I can't really watch anymore, like no matter how "this is surely a goal" the possession is, they may end up missing somehow. Hopefully, they will figure out what's wrong with this club soon, or things will get even uglier, they are at a point where it may never recover ever again.

As most fans have high expectations with Man United, I can understand the disappointments with their performances lately. They may not need a new lineup of athletes but they should start working harmoniously instead. Sometimes, it is the camarederie among players that will change the outcome of their game. Though the coach strategy may contribute to the success but mostly, it is the players' job how they can show winning moves inside the arena.
Otherwise, they need to re-assess their athletes before it will go to the brink of losses after lossess. They already have good fanbase, so surely, there will be expectations from the audience. And if they will see that they are not doing good, they will surely change their teams to support with and lose some of their loyal followers.

[Pokapoka124]

Liverpool are flying high this season, they look like the only stable side in the top 6 Premier League clubs this season. Defending champions, Manchester City are still struggling to get back to winning ways and maintaining consistency, they lost against league leaders Liverpool yesterday, some supporters are already calling for Guardiola’s sack. That’s crazy, where would City be without Pep.

Aston villa got their win against Chelsea in the weekend maintaining their good form in the league, I can already see them flourishing with Rashford and Asensio combination.