Whats happening with Betnomi?

[Learn Bitcoin]

Why would your first assumption be that they were hacked - first thought: They are trying to make some $$$ by taking advantage of their user database...

I wasn't sure if the email was leaked from Betnomi or it was Betnomi. But as notblox1 said, his email was exclusively for betnomi. So, it's confirmed that either betnomi server data was leaked, they sold user emails, or they are simply trying to make money from affiliates.

Another possibility could be that they have opened another business that is forwarding those users. I did not click on the link I received from the email, so I couldn't check the platform. So can we consider that Betnomi rug pulled?

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[piebeyb]

Why would your first assumption be that they were hacked - first thought: They are trying to make some $$$ by taking advantage of their user database...

I wasn't sure if the email was leaked from Betnomi or it was Betnomi. But as notblox1 said, his email was exclusively for betnomi. So, it's confirmed that either betnomi server data was leaked, they sold user emails, or they are simply trying to make money from affiliates.

Another possibility could be that they have opened another business that is forwarding those users. I did not click on the link I received from the email, so I couldn't check the platform. So can we consider that Betnomi rug pulled?

I think speculating about Betnomi is also not wrong for anyone to say what they think so it's not strange there are any assumptions we have to admit that even Betnomi has really disappeared until now there has been no clarification whatsoever to all the users who are waiting for them to come back again, I also think that what do we think about them selling user email or some other bad thing.

But nothing should be prohibited, anyone has the right to assume because I'm sure everyone might start to get a little frustrated with the current situation where they believe Betnomi will be back again but until now there's no news of their return, we don't know what their real problem is natural, so we can only wait and assume anything wildly from each other's minds.

[darkangel11]

I think speculating about Betnomi is also not wrong for anyone to say what they think so it's not strange there are any assumptions we have to admit that even Betnomi has really disappeared until now there has been no clarification whatsoever to all the users who are waiting for them to come back again, I also think that what do we think about them selling user email or some other bad thing.

But nothing should be prohibited, anyone has the right to assume because I'm sure everyone might start to get a little frustrated with the current situation where they believe Betnomi will be back again but until now there's no news of their return, we don't know what their real problem is natural, so we can only wait and assume anything wildly from each other's minds.

If Betnomi wanted to stop this they could at any point. They could explain the delay, tell people when the maintenance will end, explain exactly what and why is being done to the site.
You can speculate all you want, no crime in that. Public forums are there for you to express your opinions, but also doubts and concerns and this case definitely is concerning because there's money involved and/or possibly some private information.

[cicadasTR]

I see where are you coming from. You came here with a good argument. But no scam accusations have been created in this forum yet. Did you find any complaints on the internet that was created after betnomi went down? If not, you shouldn't have a problem allowing them a few days to clear up everything. Some users reported that they received their withdrawal even after betnomi went down. I see this as a positive sign. There is no reason for a scam casino to pay their users after they went down if they do not plan to come back with a reputation.

I understand that the tag you got from icopress made you talk in this thread against betnomi.
Don't take things personally. Cheers!

I saw many before they closed; I made one of them. The writing was on the wall but people chose not to listen. And in part, because this forum doesn't give a fuck. Mods ignore messages, the trust system is manipulated, flags are opposed and people like icopress are paid emissaries for sites with no culpability when it goes wrong. Nothing personal, I know they are not the only ones. I wouldn't play at any of the books on here again with your money, let alone mine.

[notblox1]

Wait, does it look like this?

It looked exactly like this, but I didnt want to take any screenshots. 

Why would your first assumption be that they were hacked - first thought: They are trying to make some $$$ by taking advantage of their user database...

I don't know what exactly happened, maybe they sold their database but it is not that hard for someone to hack and steal their information.
Until I see some official explanation from betnomi I will consider that everything connected with them is compromised, if that ever happens. 
Better watch out for any websites that look and feel like betnomi.

[Eggs96]

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I don't know what exactly happened, maybe they sold their database but it is not that hard for someone to hack and steal their information.
Until I see some official explanation from betnomi I will consider that everything connected with them is compromised, if that ever happens. 
Better watch out for any websites that look and feel like betnomi.

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This really worries me the most. Betnomi gave me quite the run-around trying to verify my account on multiple fronts. So they have essentially every type of personal identification of mine, banking information, etc. So if they were compromised then my personal identity and many others may also be.

[Learn Bitcoin]

It looked exactly like this, but I didnt want to take any screenshots.  

I guess all betnomi users received the same email I shared in a screenshot.

Better watch out for any websites that look and feel like betnomi.

The link they sent via email could also be their new platform. You better watch this website first. Since they had a good reputation here and no sign to exit scam, I took everything positively until you said your email was exclusively for betnomi. But, this does not look good anymore.  No one has direct contact with them except for icopress, so we can ask about it.

This really worries me the most. Betnomi gave me quite the run-around trying to verify my account on multiple fronts. So they have essentially every type of personal identification of mine, banking information, etc. So if they were compromised then my personal identity and many others may also be.

We don't know what happened. I don't think it was hacked. It seems either betnomi sold their database or they have created another website. All are based on assumption. Nothing confirmed yet.

[piebeyb]

I think speculating about Betnomi is also not wrong for anyone to say what they think so it's not strange there are any assumptions we have to admit that even Betnomi has really disappeared until now there has been no clarification whatsoever to all the users who are waiting for them to come back again, I also think that what do we think about them selling user email or some other bad thing.

But nothing should be prohibited, anyone has the right to assume because I'm sure everyone might start to get a little frustrated with the current situation where they believe Betnomi will be back again but until now there's no news of their return, we don't know what their real problem is natural, so we can only wait and assume anything wildly from each other's minds.

If Betnomi wanted to stop this they could at any point. They could explain the delay, tell people when the maintenance will end, explain exactly what and why is being done to the site.
You can speculate all you want, no crime in that. Public forums are there for you to express your opinions, but also doubts and concerns and this case definitely is concerning because there's money involved and/or possibly some private information.

Yes, I'm sure people who have gambled on their site and still save money there are not only thinking about the money or the withdrawal process, worried that if the information data including user KYC including important information data is sold it will be very detrimental to all users, that's why there may be some who have been complaining about this slowly, because there is no certainty about the problems they are doing maintenance on their site.

If indeed Betnomi wants to leave this business and they are not coming back they should come back to this forum to provide an explanation that can make their users calm down a bit, I'm sure their users are waiting for them to come back again and hope that happens. but I also hope that the users will not be disappointed if in the end betnomi will not come back and leave this business.

[iv4n]

This really worries me the most. Betnomi gave me quite the run-around trying to verify my account on multiple fronts. So they have essentially every type of personal identification of mine, banking information, etc. So if they were compromised then my personal identity and many others may also be.

We don't know what happened. I don't think it was hacked. It seems either betnomi sold their database or they have created another website. All are based on assumption. Nothing confirmed yet.

Well, this is serious... Who knows how many people left their documents on Betnomi?

Nothing is confirmed, and I don't see anyone complaining about money left there (I checked around)... My balance was $2. This is a very strange situation, I am not sure what to think anymore. Definitely, Betnomi is offline for too long and all this smells fishy, but again where are some big complaints, and scam accusations? With my $2 there and without KYC I dodge a bullet, and I played on Betnomi just because we had poker games there...

[Gozie51]

If indeed Betnomi wants to leave this business and they are not coming back they should come back to this forum to provide an explanation that can make their users calm down a bit, I'm sure their users are waiting for them to come back again and hope that happens. but I also hope that the users will not be disappointed if in the end betnomi will not come back and leave this business.

Coming back to the forum to make things right and settle off agrieved customers will be a good way to leave the business if they want to but I have hardly seen such happen if this is an exit scam. Betnomi has warn the trust of many here and I'm sure not many expected this to happen. It is still fishy that they would disappear without any sign of coming back because this is taking longer for a site maintenance.

[Mauser]

If indeed Betnomi wants to leave this business and they are not coming back they should come back to this forum to provide an explanation that can make their users calm down a bit, I'm sure their users are waiting for them to come back again and hope that happens. but I also hope that the users will not be disappointed if in the end betnomi will not come back and leave this business.

Coming back to the forum to make things right and settle off agrieved customers will be a good way to leave the business if they want to but I have hardly seen such happen if this is an exit scam. Betnomi has warn the trust of many here and I'm sure not many expected this to happen. It is still fishy that they would disappear without any sign of coming back because this is taking longer for a site maintenance.

In case it was a real maintenance than the company would make regular updates about the process and when the site will be back up. Which they didn't do, no company that wants to keep running a successful business would do such a thing. Customers are angry and even if they come back now to try and go back to normal business will never happen again. As an online casino you only have one good reputation, once you lose it it's gone and it won't come back. It's one thing to give people their money back, it's something completely different to try and get new customers or get their existing customers to gamble. Any private company is allowed to close down their operation if they don't want it anymore. But in the way betnomi operates it exit it's not a fair and honest way. I hope the whole issue of the remaining balances and stored user information can be sorted out, I wouldn't bet on it though. All we can do is learn from this experience and move on.

[Jating]

This really worries me the most. Betnomi gave me quite the run-around trying to verify my account on multiple fronts. So they have essentially every type of personal identification of mine, banking information, etc. So if they were compromised then my personal identity and many others may also be.

We don't know what happened. I don't think it was hacked. It seems either betnomi sold their database or they have created another website. All are based on assumption. Nothing confirmed yet.

Well, this is serious... Who knows how many people left their documents on Betnomi?

Nothing is confirmed, and I don't see anyone complaining about money left there (I checked around)... My balance was $2. This is a very strange situation, I am not sure what to think anymore. Definitely, Betnomi is offline for too long and all this smells fishy, but again where are some big complaints, and scam accusations? With my $2 there and without KYC I dodge a bullet, and I played on Betnomi just because we had poker games there...

Good thing that I haven't played on this platform as far as I can remember. But if they have been hacked as speculated, then losing their money and then the customers data, then it's a double whammy for us.

Hopefully, they can come back and clear the space for us. I mean they have been slowly getting into the community and establishing themselves. So the sudden offline is really very sad to see and at the same time there are have speculations as to what really happen to them.

[cicadasTR]

We'd love to hear what victims of this incident think of this idea. If it is positive in general, I will discuss how to implement it with the team.

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[goldkingcoiner]

This really worries me the most. Betnomi gave me quite the run-around trying to verify my account on multiple fronts. So they have essentially every type of personal identification of mine, banking information, etc. So if they were compromised then my personal identity and many others may also be.

We don't know what happened. I don't think it was hacked. It seems either betnomi sold their database or they have created another website. All are based on assumption. Nothing confirmed yet.

Well, this is serious... Who knows how many people left their documents on Betnomi?

Nothing is confirmed, and I don't see anyone complaining about money left there (I checked around)... My balance was $2. This is a very strange situation, I am not sure what to think anymore. Definitely, Betnomi is offline for too long and all this smells fishy, but again where are some big complaints, and scam accusations? With my $2 there and without KYC I dodge a bullet, and I played on Betnomi just because we had poker games there...

Good thing that I haven't played on this platform as far as I can remember. But if they have been hacked as speculated, then losing their money and then the customers data, then it's a double whammy for us.

Hopefully, they can come back and clear the space for us. I mean they have been slowly getting into the community and establishing themselves. So the sudden offline is really very sad to see and at the same time there are have speculations as to what really happen to them.

If that is true and they have indeed been hacked then not only is their precious money gone but the KYC details will now be in danger of being used for identity theft. Anyone who did KYC on their platform should probably alert the authorities that their government documents might be used by a third party without approval. That way, at least they can save themselves with a legitimate claim and plausible deniability, should someone take out a loan in their name or commit some kind of crime in a different country in their name...

This is exactly the reason why KYC is such a double edged sword.

Also, if they were planning on scamming their customers, then I think they would have made it possible to deposit and bet but not withdraw.

Best thing to do is stay away for now and wait for further details. Maybe its not a hack, but something else.

[Beparanf]

TrustDice representative here. I would like to reiterate that we are sorry to see what's happening here to a fellow casino/sportsbook and its customers. These unfortunate incidents not only affect Betnomi themselves but might also erode trust in the entire crypto iGaming sector, which could have repercussions for all crypto casinos & sportsbooks including ourselves.

Don’t worry about this since Bitcointalk forum gamblers known risk like this since we witness a lot of scam from casino that once very active here. Actually, this is not limited only on igaming industry but literally on all the crypto sectors like exchanges and defi.

It's nice to see a fellow operator representative showing care to all the potential victims here and giving insight on the issue.

[icopress]

I received a response from Sorsis last week, but I haven't been paid yet.

As far as I know at the moment the Betnomi owe money to me and another user (I also shared this information with the mentioned user). To be honest, I'm a little tired of these expectations and decided to change the signature today.

icopress, [10.07.2023]
Sorsis Hey!  I would appreciate it if you could process my payment as soon as possible.  Then with a free head, I could continue to take care of things.
Sorsis, [11.07.2023]
I will process your payment, currently running around (traveling) will take care of it once I am back home. Been away for almost a month now

I will send another letter to Sorsis in the very near future and find out everything I can about these two points.

This industry is becoming increasingly cut-throat for a variety of reasons. Fees being charged on operators have become more expensive than before.

I received spam email from someone called CryptoBonuses and it was redirecting to website Crashout, that all looks a lot like scam.
Maybe Betnomi data was hacked or something else happened, but this is first time I heard about this websites.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Why would your first assumption be that they were hacked - first thought: They are trying to make some $$$ by taking advantage of their user database...

Who are the "They" you mean?
Betnomi or CryptoBonuses.

when trying to access the site. And I deposited $250 on the platform just before that(I got sponsored for playing in poker tournaments recently). I hope everything will be alright soon, because I want to play poker on this amazing platform.

All you can do is hope for the best. I remember only two days before Chipmixer disappeared I mixed some coin and I was lucky to be able the get the coin back. If I was a day or two late then I could lose a larger amount of bitcoin. You never know what can happen with a centralized service anytime.

Yes you never know and sometimes they are honest and make their best to avoid to completely scam their (past) customers. For example Hotbit had a rather bad reputation but when they closed they gave several weeks to their users to withdrawal their remaining funds and they even extended the deadline at the end. So Betwrong could maybe get lucky and get back his funds.

I really hope that things will be better for Betnomi in the nearest future than a situation when they, as honest people, will just allow users to withdraw their funds.

I hope they will be back soon with even more nice features. As for their poker platform, we all know how great it is. Online poker players would miss it big time if it wasn't there any more.

Things are not looking good now, considering the email are sending by some other business.

I saw many before they closed; I made one of them. The writing was on the wall but people chose not to listen. And in part, because this forum doesn't give a fuck. Mods ignore messages, the trust system is manipulated, flags are opposed and people like icopress are paid emissaries for sites with no culpability when it goes wrong. Nothing personal, I know they are not the only ones. I wouldn't play at any of the books on here again with your money, let alone mine.

Don't expect anything official from Bitcointalk. If you don't know, the forum does not moderate scam.

I received a response from Sorsis last week, but I haven't been paid yet.

That's bad my man. Let's hope the response from Sorsis is genuine.

[Stayzor]

I have 20 000$ stuck in betnomi. I would be impressed if you can offer that in bonuses

TrustDice representative here. I would like to reiterate that we are sorry to see what's happening here to a fellow casino/sportsbook and its customers. These unfortunate incidents not only affect Betnomi themselves but might also erode trust in the entire crypto iGaming sector, which could have repercussions for all crypto casinos & sportsbooks including ourselves.

This industry is becoming increasingly cut-throat for a variety of reasons. Fees being charged on operators have become more expensive than before. In the meanwhile, scams, abuses, and wallet theft attempts are getting a lot more prevalent. As a result, a minor mistake or oversight, one that may go unnoticed in day-to-day operations and won’t appear significant before, can now lead to devastating consequences. Our hearts go out to Betnomi and also to the players who are experiencing difficulties accessing their funds there.

To safeguard people's trust in the entire industry, I feel there is something we can do as a somewhat established crypto casino & sportsbook. I know there gonna be cynical comments when I say this, especially from those who don't have their money locked in Betnomi. However, we still would like to seek feedback from those who are actually affected by this unfortunate event:

Do you guys think it would be nice for us to offer free bonuses to the players who have their money locked in Betnomi? I can discuss this possibility with the team if the community welcome such an idea, as I feel it could provide some relief during this challenging time.

We'd love to hear what victims of this incident think of this idea. If it is positive in general, I will discuss how to implement it with the team.


Best,
TrustDice Team

[icopress]

I have 20 000$ stuck in betnomi.

I highly doubt it.

[holydarkness]

I have 20 000$ stuck in betnomi. I would be impressed if you can offer that in bonuses

Aaaannnddd... here come the promotions that will make spam. Though I am not sure at this point, especially with that smiley, if you're being sarcastic, joking, or attempting to be an amateur fraudster. Whatever that is, I suggest you to refrain from it.