Ratimov sold his account

[CryptoPravda]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before? Even after canceling the sponsorship? and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

This whole thing was between him and GB, if GB had him tagged, you couldn't argue much, but a ring kisser doing it? This is pathetic even for a lowlife.

Behavior of the one who now owns the account Symmetrick so inadequate as possible.
This behavior has reached maximum inadequacy in the last days.When the one who owns the account simply ignores any questions.
As previously written. This is not just an ordinary user account. With such an account, it is easy to deceive someone. Not everyone reads reputation topics. More precisely, the reputation reads the minority of the forum users.

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[digaran]

Behavior of the one who now owns the account Symmetrick as inadequate as possible.
This behavior has reached maximum inadequacy in the last days.
As previously written. This is not just an ordinary user account. With such an account, it is easy to deceive someone. Not everyone reads reputation topics. More precisely, the reputation reads the minority of the forum users.

Do you have at least 3 credible and trustworthy witnesses to vouch for your claims? Because if you don't have them, then ruining someone's account like this is a sin, do you understand that? You'd need to bring 3 neutral witnesses here, where are they?

[CryptoPravda]

Because if you don't have them, then ruining someone's account like this is a sin

Ratimov himself destroyed the account when he deleted everything that was possible. And insulting everyone who is possible. And then selling it. But even if you do not believe in sale, the account was already destroyed by him. Most of the merits are now not deserved, because all topics are deleted and many posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.msg63297705#msg63297705

this is a sin

And if you stutter about sin. In any country, in any religion, it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother. First, Ratimov did this, and then the one to whom he sold his account. So I want to say with words from one of the most famous films among Russian -speaking people. Probably only Russian -speaking will understand this for sure. But they almost all read this topic, but do not participate, so it is appropriate. And this will be read by Ratimov himself and the one to whom he sold.

Remember...there's no punishment without guilt.
https://youtu.be/bRSBW5kL560?t=3103

[digaran]

it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother

Listen, let me tell you something, where I live, if you insult someone's mother like that, there is a %99 probability to die after doing it, so I know about these issues. Even though close friends blatantly insult their friend's mothers, sisters, aunts, lol just not wives, they do this to show others that they are really close to each other, it's a stupid thing I know, and it's among less than %0.0001 of population. So I know that it depends on who is doing the insulting.
But that is not the case, he had no rights to insult people like that, does that mean we should ignore due process? You bring your solid evidence, your credible witnesses, and then everyone can have their orgy on his trust page. If that satisfies your pride and honour.
Edit: strike through, inaccurate statement.

[LoyceV]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before?

Why didn't you?

Even after canceling the sponsorship?

There is no victim yet. If whoever wins the contest creates a type 2 Flag, I'm think it may get enough Support to become active.

and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

Yeah, you got me, I'm scared shitless for not getting more Merit from Ratimov. What am I going to do now without it?

he had no rights to insult people like that

Noted. You choose violence over people's freedom of speech.

[digaran]

Do you guys wanna know why nobody tagged him before?

Why didn't you?

Even after canceling the sponsorship?

There is no victim yet. If whoever wins the contest creates a type 2 Flag, I'm think it may get enough Support to become active.

and why there is now the accusation of account sale? Because he was still a merit source, so, after they realized he is no longer a source, they grew a pair, I mean what a loser PP is, to bully someone with no power. They know he is in a weak state, and won't try to retaliate, that's why they tagged him, and I bet in the future he will get more tags.

Yeah, you got me, I'm scared shitless for not getting more Merit from Ratimov. What am I going to do now without it?

he had no rights to insult people like that

Noted. You choose violence over people's freedom of speech.

Loyce please accept the lord as your saviour and try not to twist my words or take offense when I talk. Where did I chose violence over freedom?
Where did I say anyone needed merits from him? I said nobody tagged him when he was a source because they were scared that it would be interpreted as going against the forum itself.
Btw, did you tag him too? I can't tell because I only saw PP tag on him not anyone else, so why did you think I'm talking about you?
And why didn't I tagged him? Because the moment I confronted him, he backed off and started to go crazy like it's the end of the world, would you like me to show you my exact post?

[knowngunman]

Ratimov himself destroyed the account when he deleted everything that was possible. And insulting everyone who is possible. And then selling it. But even if you do not believe in sale, the account was already destroyed by him. Most of the merits are now not deserved, because all topics are deleted and many posts.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5468454.msg63297705#msg63297705

And if you stutter about sin. In any country, in any religion, it is a big sin to insult the last words of someone's mother. First, Ratimov did this, and then the one to whom he sold his account. So I want to say with words from one of the most famous films among Russian -speaking people. Probably only Russian -speaking will understand this for sure. But they almost all read this topic, but do not participate, so it is appropriate. And this will be read by Ratimov himself and the one to whom he sold.

Remember...there's no punishment without guilt.
https://youtu.be/bRSBW5kL560?t=3103

You actually presented an argument beyond reasonable doubt but I still think it would be more better to maintain the neutrality of the case until proven otherwise. The emphasis you laid on the selling of ratimov account is way too high. Reading from the beginning of this thread and some other thread, one could notice the change pattern of the account but is it actually sold as we all assumed? I don't think so because no sane person will buy an account that has some questions to answer unless you want to waste your money for nothing.

The probability of hacking is very slim here because the hacker might be interested to keep in line with the previous pattern in order not to get noticed and ratimov might possibly create account to raise alarm over the matter. It's just difficult to tell but I believe the detective in the forum will definitely be working over it already to dig it out. It's sad how ratimov ruined reputation even before this whole saga of account changing ownership.

[Sexylizzy2813]

This Ratimov issue is becoming more interesting and confusing at the same time even hard to believe if something as selling his account is even true, OP might be right or wrong but I'd say with all evidence that have been brought upon this account of Ratimov, I still hope to see someone who knows him very well to come give us anything to convince us that he's still the one operating the account or not.
We shouldn't be assuming because it won't help out in any way, I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

[Rikafip]

I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

Few of them already shared their opinion but I don't think we came up much closer to the conclusion whether he sold his account of not. At least I didn't.

Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Since I don't speak Russian I can't say whether account changed hands or not, but what lovesmayfamilis wrote makes much sense to me and could explain change in his behaviour.

Affected ego, bruised ego, wounded vanity—all this is screaming inside him today.

As a result, and as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had. Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

[CryptoPravda]

Other reports from users of the Russian locale about a noticeable change in Ratimov's writing style.

Duckduckgo translation.

Я вoт eщe oбpaтил внимaниe, чтo peзкo yпaлa aктивнocть тoвapищa Symmetrick,  в пpoшлoм Paтимoвa.
Дaжe coздaeтcя впeчaтлeниe, чтo cмeнa никa пpивeлa и к тoмy, чтo пocты Symmetrick пocтит дpyгoй пoльзoвaтeль. He yвepeн в этoм, нo ecли oбидeл тeбя, ты yж извини...
Ho фaкты вeдь вeщь нeyмoлимaя.
Eжeнeдeльнoe oбнoвлeниe тaблицы пoдпиcныx зaбpocил. Пpo кapты ничeгo нoвoгo нe пocтит, дa и мнoгo чeгo дpyгoгo.
Booбщeм интpигa.

I have also noticed that the activity of Symmetrick's comrade, Ratimov in the past, has fallen sharply. It even seems that the change of nickname has led to the fact that Symmetrick's posts are posted by another user. I'm not sure about that, but if I've offended you, I'm sorry... But facts are an inexorable thing. The weekly update of the subscription table is abandoned. He doesn't post anything new about maps, and a lot of other things. In general, it's intriguing.

Дa, тoжe cклaдывaeтcя впeчaтлeниe, чтo Cиммeтpик мaлo пoxoж нa Paтимoвa... Boзмoжнo, этo лoжнoe впeчaтлeниe. Инoгдa бывaeт тaк, чтo чeлoвeк в нeкoтopыe пepиoды cвoeй жизни caм нa ceбя нe пoxoж. Ho здecь нeчтo дpyгoe. Caм cтиль пocтoв cтaл нeмнoгo дpyгим. Бoлee лaкoничным, чтo ли. Paтимoв чacтo впoлнe paзвёpнyтo выpaжaл cвoи мыcли. Плюc, дa, y нeгo opгaничecкaя aктивнocть былa нa нecкoлькo пopядкoв вышe.
   Oн инoгдa вcтyпaл в мнoгocтpaничныe cпopы. И тaм в тex диcкyccияx y нeгo был coвepшeннo ocoбый cтиль apгyмeнтaции. Этo кaк oтпeчaтки пaльцeв. Иx пoддeлaть пpaктичecки нeвoзмoжнo. Пepвaя жe бoльшaя диcкyccия и вcё cтaнeт яcнo.

Yes, one also gets the impression that Symmetrick bears little resemblance to Ratimov... Perhaps this is a false impression. Sometimes it happens that a person in some periods of his life does not look like himself. But there's something different here. The style of the posts itself has become a little different. More concise, or something. Ratimov often expressed his thoughts quite extensively. Plus, yes, its organic activity was several orders of magnitude higher. He sometimes got into multi-page arguments. And there, in those discussions, he had a very special style of argumentation. It's like fingerprints. It is almost impossible to fake them. The first big discussion and everything will become clear.

A вoзмoжнo тaкoe, чтo aккayнт пpoдaн дpyгoмy чeлoвeкy? Beдь тaкoй вapиaнт иcключaть нeльзя. Boт и cтиль нaпиcaния пocтoв coвceм инoй. Я, кcтaти, тaкжe зaмeтил, чтo нe тoт cтиль oбщeния cтaл. Бoлee пpocтoй и бeз яpкиx выcкaзывaний.

Пo жeлaнию мoжнo пoмeнять cтиль oбщeния? Дa, нo тaкoe нeвepoятнo cлoжнo peaлизoвaть нa пpaктикe. Этo нyжнo cтoлькo ycилий пpилoжить к этoмy, чтo oнo тoгo нe cтoит. He дyмaю, чтo был выбpaн тaкoй вapиaнт.

Is it possible that the account has been sold to another person? After all, this option cannot be ruled out. So the style of writing posts is completely different. By the way, I also noticed that the style of communication was not the same. Simpler and without flashy statements. Can I change my communication style if I wish? Yes, but it's incredibly difficult to put into practice. It takes so much effort that it's not worth it. I don't think that option was chosen.

Boзмoжнo вce, нo былo бы нeплoxo, ecли бы oн caм пpoяcнил cвoe peшeниe.
Либo кoнфликт в aнглopaздeлe тaк нa нeгo пoвлиял и oн peшил yйти c фopyмa, либo жe c eгo aккayнтoм чтo-тo пpoизoшлo(пpoдaжa/взлoм). Ecть пoкa нeкoтopыe пoдoзpeния, yчитывaя, чтo cмeнa никa, пapoля и пoчты eгo aккayнтa пpoизoшли зa дoвoльнo-тaки кopoткий пpoмeжyтoк вpeмeни.

Anything is possible, but it would be nice if he could clarify his decision himself. Either the conflict in the English section affected him so much that he decided to leave the forum, or something happened to his account (sale/hacking). There are still some suspicions, given that the change of nickname, password and email of his account took place in a fairly short period of time.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Of course, who else would I talk about considering that none of the "influential" members of the forum did anything similar all those years because they thought it was not worth fighting Ratimov and those who protected him. A person who built his reputation by covert plagiarism not only that he was not punished for it, but he was also rewarded with merit source status, which only strengthened his position even more.

What I really think about all the facts you mentioned above is this: at first, he impressed many forum users with what-a-good-forum-contributor-he-is-blah-blah-blah. People started giving him merits. He was even named Newbie of the year 2019. Then airfinex exposed his plagiarism for the first time. The fact that he posted from an alt account made his post to not be taken too seriously though. Besides, and here is a very delicate aspect, I believe that some also wanted to close their eyes, for not letting themselves admit that they helped a plagiarist to rank up so fast (remember, Ratimov used to earn merits with light speed for his plagiarized materials). This may be a normal human reaction, up to some point though. But when these people saw crystal clear that they supported an imposter they should have acted.

Other topics addressing Ratimov's shenanigans appeared during time, but always from alt accounts. And were mostly ignored. He was already feared by then. If someone dared to say anything about him it implied to be red tagged and added to Ratimov's distrust list. This is why, those which dared to speak the truth, did it from alt account; and this is also why they did not succeed.

After his aggressive behavior started to be known he was already feared many users and even DT users. I can tell you that, after I wrote my topic, some DT users confessed to me that they can't speak-up because "the situation is delicate", or "they don't have time" or "they are not certain about the proof I presented" etc., etc., etc. -- it was clear for me, reading their words, to see that they are afraid to talk about Ratimov. Even as DT, they were afraid of a Trust exclusion or of being red tagged or of receiving horrendous insults, like it happened in my case. However, I understood their point of view.

In any case, in time, more and more users found courage to speak-up in my topic and more and more finally opened their eyes or -- to be more correct -- allowed themselves to open their eyes. As a result, they started to distrust this imposter and / or add him to their distrust list. Eventually, even those which were afraid of him did it, seeing that he is losing all his support (excepting the never ending support he has from his most loyal minions, which literally worship him, like madnessteat or jokers10 -- oh, disregard jokers10, I remember that he abandoned the sinking boat LOL!).

I'm sure there are a lot of Ratimov alts who will continue on his path, of course, much more carefully than he did.

I also believe this. Ratimov was literally learning like a machine: he was caught plagiarizing and using that infamous introduction "In this article I would like to touch upon such a theme [...]", which was only meant to steal original author's work? -- He stopped using that introduction. His next materials were just copy-pastes, but not plagiarism anymore (thousands of merits copy-pastes but it is what it is). He was caught leaving incorrect red tags, full of insults and without any ref link? -- He deleted them. Were DT eyes on him for a while? -- He stayed low. Forum's eyes were on him for insulting someone's family? -- He quickly deleted those incriminating posts. And so on.

He tried every possible shenanigan, in order to see how far he can go and in which situations people remain unaware of his miserable acts. If caught, he simply changed that part.

So I'm sure now that he uses some alt accounts but he applies all he learned in those years: he won't try to earn merits with light speed, he won't plagiarize, he won't leave incorrect feedbacks and so on. I guess he will just try to farm some accounts to be able to enroll them in signature campaigns.

Speaking of signature campaigns, I also believe, as I once said, that he'll migrate to other forums:

I suggest to Ratimov that, after he becomes most merited user ever, to do same thing on other forums too and become there also most merited user / most recognized or whatever terminology would be used on other forums. Then post also some plagiarized thesis and take his Ph. D. as well. Why stick only to Internet forums? He could take any diploma in real life as well.

Since here his career is over, he may try same tricks on shitcoinsforum or any other forum. He will present himself there as BitcoinTalk's fifth most merited user and he'll probably get into a good signature campaign then he'll plagiarize there forever, since other forums don't ban plagiarists. He'll become number one (from any / all points of view) on some other forum and he'll be happy with the fact that he managed to fool an entire forum again.

[JollyGood]

Many of his new posts are in the Russian language therefore non-Russian speakers will not be able to use as a comparator his previous posts to new posts. As for the English language posts, they seem to have become less and less than the number Ratimov used to post before the account sale accusations but there does seem to be a difference.

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

Has anyone sent a message informing him of this thread or asking him to defend himself? That would be a good starting point, if he declines or whatnot, then we go from there. I'm sure he will decline to comment, but someone should at least inform him so he is aware.

He's fully aware. There is a good chance that the alleged new owner isn't quite as proficient in English, and posting via Google Translate / ChatGPT is cumbersome.

[Sexylizzy2813]

I'd suggest someone from his community should step up and help clear this mess, let's know who we're dealing with.

Few of them already shared their opinion but I don't think we came up much closer to the conclusion whether he sold his account of not. At least I didn't.


Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Since I don't speak Russian I can't say whether account changed hands or not, but what lovesmayfamilis wrote makes much sense to me and could explain change in his behaviour.

We can't really say but assuming what's not there is possible and I won't say is anybody's fault for saying the account has been sold or something.
Ok let's say he sold the account and some of us knows he might or should I say he really had issues with some of the members on this Forum and he might have told the current user of the account all about it and this user is just taking it the wrong way by being too hard on any messages that pop up on his PM without him knowing who the person was or why the person messaged him.
Something like that can happen and we shouldn't blame the user. Maybe he's trying to defend himself by mot letting anything that hit Ratimov to get to him.

Affected ego, bruised ego, wounded vanity—all this is screaming inside him today.

As a result, and as a Russian speaker, I do not see any difference in the writing style that Ratimov previously had. Now, insolence and rudeness are a defense, a mask.

Who knows, maybe this is the new Ratimov we all have to deal with, a new version of the Russian @Ratimov.

[LoyceV]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

[examplens]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

It is questionable to leave negative feedback based on suspicion or assumptions. There is no clear evidence.
With or without negative tags, Ratim's/Symmetrick account no longer enjoys the reputation it once had, so they do not disturb anything in his status. Based on the large number of already written posts and the fact that he is still active in the largest local community, that makes him interesting for campaign signatures.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Personally, I tagged the Symmetrick account when too many questions arose about the account no longer being operated by the original owner/creator but apart from one other red tag it seems as though members have refrained from tagging.

I don't really see the point of adding more tags: if it changed owner, there's a clear warning now for anyone to avoid doing business with Ratimov's new nickname. If he's just grumpy and ignoring all the drama he caused, there's no need for more tags. Any reputation he had is gone.

It is questionable to leave negative feedback based on suspicion or assumptions. There is no clear evidence.
With or without negative tags, Ratim's/Symmetrick account no longer enjoys the reputation it once had, so they do not disturb anything in his status. Based on the large number of already written posts and the fact that he is still active in the largest local community, that makes him interesting for campaign signatures.

Well, he has two red tags now. And none of them backed by clear evidences. Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page. The DT system became too easy to get into the network.

[LoyceV]

Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page.

That reminds me of what Ratimov did

[JollyGood]

Sometimes one image can express a whole bunch of emotions or summarise the current situation on-hand. Welcome to club Poker Player, I do not know how long ago you added him to your ignore list but I did it a long time ago. He is staying there for a long time along with several other (if not forever).

The downside to ignoring is that you end up having to scroll past any posts that are quoted by other members when they reply but it is a small inconvenience.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Some members just wait for an opportunity to paint others feedback page.

That reminds me of what Ratimov did

Other day I was quick to leave him a negative for removing his sponsorship so I can't tell that I am right always but it's important to accept wrongs and have the willingness to correct it.

Sometimes one image can express a whole bunch of emotions or summarise the current situation on-hand. Welcome to club Poker Player, I do not know how long ago you added him to your ignore list but I did it a long time ago. He is staying there for a long time along with several other (if not forever).

The downside to ignoring is that you end up having to scroll past any posts that are quoted by other members when they reply but it is a small inconvenience.

Do you have anything good to do? If you really ignore a person then shouldn't you avoid any discussion about him and also avoid manipulating others in your side? I don't understand how it became a fashion to show I am ignoring mr y. More importantly, give me a logic, how this post of yours is relevant to the topic? Shitposter! Shame, BC.game is paying for shitposting.

Interesting: Poker Player himself thought to delete the post he made but you never wanted to miss the chance LOL

[dkbit98]

Let's say (for the sake of the argument) that Ratimov indeed sold the account and someone else is controlling it now, wouldn't that person try to go under the radar in order not to be detected? I am asking because that account is allegedly more aggressive than Ratimov used to be (who we know already has anger issues) and that behaviour doesn't make much sense to me from someone who tries to profit from the newly acquired account.

Do you remember last time when he posted in English part of the forum?
Several members called him out during this time and there was several topics about him in Reputation, but he never replied anything as far as I know.
He was obviously trying to stay under the radar here, while pretending to be angry old owner in russian local board.
To me is clear and obvious that account changed hands sometimes in November.
However, I don't think he is gone for good, he probably uses some different account now, maybe someone ^{(or AI)} recognizes his writing style in future.