Should Ratimov aka Symmetrick be in DT1?

[GazetaBitcoin]

Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- His account was recently red tagged for switching hands.
- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 38 users trust him, while 55 distrust him.
- YOSHIE, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Wapfika and Jossque stopped trusting him and JollyGood distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 38 users from which only 19 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, sky999, bubbalex, madnessteat, Snork1979, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, nimogsm, my luck, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

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[LoyceV]

Right now all these topics looks spam threads with so many merits wasted.

I've been curious for a while, so I checked: Ratimov (2627711) received 1110/11924=9.30% Merit for deleted posts and 1522/11924=12.76% Merit for short posts. Note that posts on hidden (Mod) boards are counted as "deleted" because I don't see them.
This includes all Merit data up to theymos' last Merit data dump (last Friday).

I consider posts with less than 16 characters to be short posts. In most cases, this means the user wiped the content of his post, but this can have false positives, or false negatives (it's tricky to check the real post length with BBCode and Russian characters, and short posts can be worth Merit). That's why I list all short posts here, labeled as the number of Merit they received:
8, 33, 21, 14, 23, 6, 8, 4, 2, 1, 1, 2, 3, 3, 10, 10, 1, 12, 32, 3, 2, 2, 6, 14, 3, 10, 28, 2, 14, 2, 7, 60, 4, 2, 1, 5, 1, 19, 5, 10, 7, 13, 9, 1, 4, 2, 8, 1, 1, 4, 22, 2, 2, 1, 5, 24, 52, 2, 25, 4, 14, 10, 2, 8, 9, 2, 1, 1, 3, 42, 5, 23, 17, 5, 18, 1, 1, 291, 7, 9, 3, 17, 10, 2, 10, 8, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 35, 60, 3, 4, 1, 35, 18, 2, 94, 5, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 34, 40
I didn't check for posts that had a username change after theymos restored them, but if the post was replaced by something short, they're included in this list.

I ran an update for this data. Ratimov has been busy deleting and editing more posts:
Ratimov (2627711) received 2023/11946=16.93% Merit for deleted posts and 4290/11946=35.91% Merit for short posts:
9, 4, 8, 17, 10, 5, 11, 6, 33, 21, 14, 23, 6, 5, 7, 9, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, 5, 2, 8, 4, 1, 6, 3, 2, 1, 9, 3, 4, 4, 1, 4, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 3, 1, 1, 5, 16, 3, 32, 3, 10, 10, 5, 1, 30, 12, 32, 9, 3, 16, 2, 2, 2, 6, 14, 14, 8, 19, 3, 10, 13, 9, 28, 2, 3, 14, 14, 11, 27, 14, 2, 4, 20, 5, 5, 7, 2, 9, 61, 4, 2, 13, 5, 2, 10, 1, 4, 4, 5, 1, 5, 19, 2, 56, 9, 5, 5, 1, 10, 7, 13, 5, 14, 9, 1, 3, 4, 4, 8, 2, 2, 5, 4, 9, 5, 2, 3, 2, 8, 76, 5, 6, 2, 1, 15, 4, 1, 2, 6, 2, 38, 6, 4, 9, 4, 19, 22, 11, 3, 8, 16, 2, 1, 6, 3, 6, 7, 2, 34, 2, 3, 16, 12, 1, 5, 7, 4, 24, 5, 52, 4, 11, 2, 7, 1, 25, 21, 1, 6, 15, 9, 6, 2, 14, 4, 15, 19, 2, 3, 14, 8, 2, 10, 11, 2, 5, 2, 16, 12, 1, 3, 5, 2, 1, 3, 8, 9, 2, 3, 2, 4, 2, 8, 28, 1, 8, 8, 1, 1, 2, 12, 3, 1, 8, 1, 3, 7, 1, 2, 12, 15, 8, 30, 1, 42, 1, 10, 4, 9, 2, 4, 3, 5, 12, 1, 12, 3, 6, 23, 17, 1, 16, 5, 5, 6, 6, 4, 5, 9, 1, 9, 3, 5, 4, 4, 2, 7, 5, 12, 30, 5, 7, 16, 7, 10, 4, 18, 1, 26, 2, 4, 30, 4, 22, 20, 7, 1, 7, 3, 4, 2, 14, 12, 1, 6, 2, 4, 291, 4, 7, 12, 1, 13, 9, 3, 1, 17, 5, 17, 1, 7, 10, 23, 8, 8, 1, 17, 12, 5, 15, 8, 7, 10, 4, 27, 38, 2, 26, 7, 4, 6, 3, 1, 2, 2, 10, 8, 6, 13, 70, 9, 8, 2, 9, 6, 5, 3, 13, 10, 15, 15, 7, 3, 16, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 12, 8, 3, 3, 1, 7, 12, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 6, 1, 1, 8, 2, 5, 1, 7, 17, 3, 20, 8, 3, 4, 35, 60, 10, 2, 16, 14, 1, 11, 6, 3, 5, 2, 2, 4, 12, 20, 5, 11, 7, 6, 3, 2, 4, 11, 3, 30, 1, 1, 11, 34, 78, 35, 18, 44, 2, 2, 94, 34, 14, 6, 2, 5, 40, 10, 2, 18

More than 50% of his earned Merit lost it's reason.

[Poker Player]

- His account was recently red tagged for switching hands.

I have to clarify this, as it is not accurate.

The red tag is because from both your thread and this one I don't trust whoever is running the former Ratimov now Symmetrick account to make financial deals. And I want to warn the rest of the people of the same. Either it is not the same person who is managing the account, or if it is the same, all he has done since you created your thread until today make me think that there is a high risk if economic deals are made with him.

[ineedhelpplease]

Heads-up about Ratimov / Symmetrick's situation:

- His account was recently red tagged for switching hands.
- The number of those which trust him decreases week after week. At same time, the number of those distrusting him grows week after week. At the moment 38 users trust him, while 55 distrust him.
- YOSHIE, _BlackStar, Shamm, KingsDen, Silence Scream, Wapfika and Jossque stopped trusting him andJollyGood distrusted him. Thank you for your involvement!
- He is still trusted by a substantial number of 38 users from which only 19 are recently active: Zilon, Julien_Olynpic, sky999, bubbalex, madnessteat, Snork1979, FontSeli, ajanwalker, Gianluca95, rby, nimogsm, my luck, FutureBitcoin, dimonstration, whyrqa, CarnagexD, imhoneer, Best_Change, KTChampions.

I wouldn’t call the “red tag for switching hands” much of a reason considering any user can give positive or negative reputation. However, I would call the “This user's email address was changed recently” pop up suspicious combined with the other evidence.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I wouldn’t call the “red tag for switching hands” much of a reason considering any user can give positive or negative reputation. However, I would call the “This user's email address was changed recently” pop up suspicious combined with the other evidence.

Try to explain to me the reason for my actions in changing my password and email. I just foresee the scope of your imagination, and maybe one will make sense. But you would be very mistaken to think that the account changed ownership due to a password change. There can be many reasons.
But as for the negative tag left by a DT member, this is a pretty serious comment, and you probably don’t know the meaning of these ratings if you say that anyone can leave such a tag. The difference between any person and a person from DT is big.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

[ineedhelpplease]

I wouldn’t call the “red tag for switching hands” much of a reason considering any user can give positive or negative reputation. However, I would call the “This user's email address was changed recently” pop up suspicious combined with the other evidence.

Try to explain to me the reason for my actions in changing my password and email. I just foresee the scope of your imagination, and maybe one will make sense. But you would be very mistaken to think that the account changed ownership due to a password change. There can be many reasons.
But as for the negative tag left by a DT member, this is a pretty serious comment, and you probably don’t know the meaning of these ratings if you say that anyone can leave such a tag. The difference between any person and a person from DT is big.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0

Normally I don't see the act of changing your email suspicious at all but combined with the accusations here it does add up as some form of evidence, although not exactly a strong form of evidence, still noteworthy to point out. Especially seeing that his password hasn't changed either or else the pop up would've shown. Even then someone could just be like "he used a personal password specifically for bitcointalk and gave it to the buyer".

As for the person who gave him the reputation being a DT Member, that I was unaware of. I read the thread you linked and it was actually pretty helpful since I finally got to see what "DT" was after seeing it used literally everywhere on the forum. I knew they were like some sort of group of trusted people who were highly respected in the community that expose scammers and those type of stuff. But I never knew what the term "DT" meant or what else they did. I thought the person giving out the reputation was a normal user up until you pointed this out. This is because I haven't used this forum actively enough to know everyone yet. Since he is a DT member then he definitely must've reviewed the evidence and thoroughly investigated the situation out. So in the end, maybe it is a good point to keep in afterall along with his other points.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

More than 50% of his earned Merit lost it's reason.

Massive merit abuse.

The red tag is because from both your thread and this one I don't trust whoever is running the former Ratimov now Symmetrick account to make financial deals. And I want to warn the rest of the people of the same. Either it is not the same person who is managing the account, or if it is the same, all he has done since you created your thread until today make me think that there is a high risk if economic deals are made with him.

No one cares what you trust or not. Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account. Let's see what your feedback starts with

This account is very likely not operated by the person who created it,

You are admitting very likely not operated.

Why do some of you take JollyGood as a standard, have your own standard to earn good value.

If you have too much problem with him and want to show it in his feedback page, then go with a neutral.

[LoyceV]

Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account.

Where do we draw the line? In another case, theymos posted this:

I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original

That was enough for several red tags.

[suchmoon]

No one cares what you trust or not. Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account. Let's see what your feedback starts with

How much more evidence does one need that dealing with Ratmetric would be high risk?

Petulant deleting of posts, rescinding sponsorship ("donation" LOL), removing trust ratings/inclusions/exclusions, name change, e-mail/password change, the list goes on and on. Not even talking about the verbal attacks on anyone who dares to mention him (freedom of speech FTW).

Alleged sale of the account is just one of many issues with this user. I can't blame anyone for adding red trust - there is enough stuff going on with it to call it "high risk".

[nutildah]

This was probably the fastest, steepest downfall of any well-established account, ever.

I can't believe he let what appeared to be a simple argument drag him all the way down to this level.

I also can't believe this thread has gone on for 19 pages, lol.

[paid2]

This was probably the fastest, steepest downfall of any well-established account, ever.

I can't believe he let what appeared to be a simple argument drag him all the way down to this level.

I also can't believe this thread has gone on for 19 pages, lol.

Was thinking the same.

Crazy when you realize that it started in AOBT topic. This is a good demonstration that when there's shit under the carpet, any little problem can bring it all back to the surface...

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account.

Where do we draw the line? In another case, theymos posted this:

I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original

That was enough for several red tags.

There are no line to draw unless clear evidence that can warrant a negative feedback. No clear evidence, in my book there are doubts, when there are doubts, I think a neutral could be the best we can go.

Even when the main man thought it's 25% which is one forth of the equation, he still has not gone for a negative feedback. But some over enthusiastic members did not mind to leave negative feedback. That's where we can see the DT became to easy to gain.

No one cares what you trust or not. Without any concrete evidence you can not leave a negative feedback to an account. Let's see what your feedback starts with

How much more evidence does one need that dealing with Ratmetric would be high risk?

Petulant deleting of posts, rescinding sponsorship ("donation" LOL), removing trust ratings/inclusions/exclusions, name change, e-mail/password change, the list goes on and on. Not even talking about the verbal attacks on anyone who dares to mention him (freedom of speech FTW).

Alleged sale of the account is just one of many issues with this user. I can't blame anyone for adding red trust - there is enough stuff going on with it to call it "high risk".

I am not a Symmetrick Ratimov's fan, in fact if anyone looks back to the history, I am fairly sure that they will find I was one of the early Ratimov critic. His plagiarism and such things, as a result he never liked me. Many times his dis-likeness escalated in the reputation board. But even after all these, I still don't see there needs a red warrant where no clear evidences of him is not the original owner.

A wrong is always wrong. Just because a person has lost all his credibility does not mean we justify a wrong as right over him.

[examplens]

Where do we draw the line? In another case, theymos posted this:

I'd say that there's a 25% chance of him being the original

That was enough for several red tags.

I'm a little curious, but how is this percentage determined?
Is there an application for that, and what does the algorithm look like by which something abstractly like this is converted into percentages?

This was probably the fastest, steepest downfall of any well-established account, ever.

I can't believe he let what appeared to be a simple argument drag him all the way down to this level.

I also can't believe this thread has gone on for 19 pages, lol.

Yes, this was definitely an express self-destruction. The good thing is that he didn't put his hand in anyone's wallet, at least there are no such accusations. Of course, if we ignore the contest from which he withdrew his sponsorship, there is no abuse of exiting the high-rank level from this forum. About "ever", You've been here long enough to remember members like master-P or yogg who left their forum reputations with "fireworks". 

[LoyceV]

I'm a little curious, but how is this percentage determined?

My guess is it's a guess
In English: an educated guess.
In Dutch: natte vinger werk (lick your finger, stick it up, and feel how windy it is).

Is there an application for that, and what does the algorithm look like by which something abstractly like this is converted into percentages?

The good thing is that he didn't put his hand in anyone's wallet

Good point. Even though it seems crazy to destroy his reputation this way, at least it's (more or less) victimless.

[Shishir99]

This was probably the fastest, steepest downfall of any well-established account, ever.
I can't believe he let what appeared to be a simple argument drag him all the way down to this level.
I also can't believe this thread has gone on for 19 pages, lol.

That's what happens with people who start to engage in threads where they are not invited. Still, anyone can join the discussion if they have something valuable to say. But when people start looking for problems in anything they see, this is not good at all. Some people always find negative things and most of the time they get rewarded for what they do. Sometimes their view was legitimate. But the success rate won't be 100%.

We all make mistakes. Sometimes I could be wrong, you could be wrong too. But, if you believe you are always right and unable to accept your mistakes, this is enough reason for your downfall. That was the case with Ratimov. He could have managed these things very well. He is not a scammer. All he had to do is, accept the mistake and promise to correct himself. Instead, he started digging his own grave.

[suchmoon]

We all make mistakes. Sometimes I could be wrong, you could be wrong too. But, if you believe you are always right and unable to accept your mistakes, this is enough reason for your downfall. That was the case with Ratimov. He could have managed these things very well. He is not a scammer. All he had to do is, accept the mistake and promise to correct himself. Instead, he started digging his own grave.

In Ratmetric's case, it's not just one "mistake", it's the overall attitude towards the forum as a cow that has to be milked at any cost. Old toothless cow but it does sometimes kick those entitled farmers in the face.

[Shishir99]

In Ratmetric's case, it's not just one "mistake", it's the overall attitude towards the forum as a cow that has to be milked at any cost. Old toothless cow but it does sometimes kick those entitled farmers in the face.

I agree that it's not one mistake. This happened because of his behavior and attitude. But my point was, he could have handled the situation very well. Even scammers are sometimes given a pass by the community due to insufficient proof. Ratimov wasn't a scammer. The problem is, he never handled criticism in a good way. He could have accepted the criticism.

Instead, he always attacked people who pointed out his bad side. People learn from their mistakes, but if someone believes they are always right and doesn't accept criticism for their wrongdoing, they are not going to survive.

[GazetaBitcoin]

Ratimov wasn't a scammer.

Yet. He did not scam yet. But Halab's contest -- supposed to be sponsored by him -- will end soon (~2 weeks) and from that moment forward the winners of the contest will be in the legitimate situation to raise a flag against him. Given the feeling that multiple users (including DT) will support this flag, the outcome of such action would be turning Ratimov Symmetrick into a scammer.

Instead, he always attacked people who pointed out his bad side. People learn from their mistakes, but if someone believes they are always right and doesn't accept criticism for their wrongdoing, they are not going to survive.

Alternatively, he should have never presented the work of reputable authors as being his. Impersonating them! Stealing their work! Perhaps that would have been a much better approach. Just be happy for being named Newbie of 2019 and earn his ranking on the forum in a normal manner, like 99% of forum users do. Perhaps he would have earned his first 1000 merits in a year but he would have been someone with common sense.

Another better approach would have been to never aim to earn thousands of merits by copy-paste. What he did was like any of us would just copy-paste Andreas Antonopoulos's Mastering Bitcoin and earn 5000 merits from that topic. He did same thing, but with the help of multiple topics.

At some point he even tried to race LoyceV and show him that he can reach faster than Loyce to 10000 merits or 11000 or so (I can't find that post but I believe LV remembers the discussion).

Another post which he made from pure ego was after he was exposed for plagiarism by airfinex: LoyceV made a mention that Ratimov's light speed pace for earning merits decreased after airfinex's topic and, in exchange, Ratimov replied with a tone like he was ridiculing the entire forum even more:

That being said, after several topics calling him out for plagiarism his large Merit earnings have dropped significantly:

They fell for this reason alone:

All the most significant goals at this forum have been achieved, now can relax. Thanks to everyone who supported me and appreciated my posts.

After reaching 3000 merit, I decided to take a break from the forum. If I wanted to, I would continue to earn 200-400 merit a month. Maintaining this pace of activity is very difficult. I spended 5-30 hours of my time on each topic or big guide.

All these accusations did not affect my activity in any way..

Apparently, for a short moment, he was happy with earning stealing 3000 merits through plagiarism. Later he changed his mind and decided to steal some more. Like 3-4 times more.

So coming back, I guess these facts should have never happened. He could keep being pathetic at taking criticism, just like TimeLord is. But just act like a normal forum user. But noooo he wanted to be number 1! He wanted to be the best! He wanted to be the ace at everything!

And for this he tried all shenanigans possible. Until people finally allowed themselves to open their eyes about this thief.

[Synchronice]

Wow, this is the moment to say that lit started not only fire but a big explosion. I couldn't imagine if Ratimov was a kid.
By the way, how was he able to change his name on forum? As I see, there is not an option to change your name from profile settings and when I saw old threads, people were saying that it's hard to change name and you should have a very valid reason for that. So, what happened? It's not a good thing that forum administration allowed him to change his name after being exposed.

Also, why would someone buy his account? What's the point?

I think all the left trust should be removed from that account because this user built its account on lies, then was writing very offensive words, was acting like a rude kid and to hide facts and traces, changed his account name. Does his account deserve ban in this case or not?
Merit to GazetaBitcoin for exposing him. What can I say else I still can't believe what has happened, feels like being in a kindergarten

[GazetaBitcoin]

Merit to GazetaBitcoin for exposing him.

Thank you, but I did not see any merit from you, lol.

By the way, how was he able to change his name on forum? As I see, there is not an option to change your name from profile settings and when I saw old threads, people were saying that it's hard to change name and you should have a very valid reason for that. So, what happened?

He asked theymos for a name change and his request was approved.

It's not a good thing that forum administration allowed him to change his name after being exposed.

It's not a good thing, but he managed to fool theymos as well. He fooled 99% of this forum for years in a row; he fooled Russian mods even with such an embarrassing thing as transforming them into his personal garbage men. So why couldn't he fool theymos as well?

Also, why would someone buy his account? What's the point?

Look Synchronice, don't take me wrong, but you don't quite seem to understand how this forum works.

Recently you said you added Ratimov on your Trust list because you like him, despite any guideline for correct use of Trust system. Eventually, Shishir99 gave you a good advice to stop arguing about the use of Trust system, because you were only exposing yourself more and more about how far you are from understanding it.

Now you are asking why someone would buy his account: to earn money with it, obviously! Account selling is an old practice and, the higher the rank of an account, the bigger the price is. This is because with a higher rank you can enroll in signature campaigns and earn more money as a Legendary -- for example -- compared with a Full Member. And, instead of spending 735 - 1030 days for becoming Legendary (and having also to earn 1000 merits), some cheaters prefer to buy an account. Same applies for accounts of lower ranks, if the cheater is cheap.

Speaking of Ratimov though, he tried his ultimate cheat on this forum: his account was until recently the fourth most merited account on entire forum (and now it's the fifth), so the possessor of such account could earn serious money not only from signature campaigns, but also even more by making custom deals with any company, by wearing its signature. And, as a proof, Ratimov left MixTum campaign for enrolling in Tumbler campaign, as the lattest one was paying 10$/post. Now imagine how much money he could earn from selling his account: the fifth most merited account from the forum and also enrolled in a campaign paying 10$/post! Practically, he would sell a gold mine. It would be a big price for the buyer but such would generate big sources of income. I believe these were his thoughts for his final shenanigan before exiting the stage.

Seriously though, was such question needed...? Aren't all these aspects clear for anyone...?

I think all the left trust should be removed from that account because this user built its account on lies, then was writing very offensive words, was acting like a rude kid and to hide facts and traces, changed his account name.

I agree here. Especially if someone else controls the account now.

Does his account deserve ban in this case or not?

He should have been banned when he was caught plagiarizing. But for a while now plagiarists don't get banned anymore and, for the situation to be even more ridiculous, they are unbanned!!!!