Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat

[AHOYBRAUSE]

One thing that I’d like to address to give some background on Fairlay as far as winning big. People have been betting huge amounts of money at Fairlay for 10 years. Fairlay makes money on volume. As soon as there is a huge bet at Fairlay, the line moves immediately at Pinny.

because pinnacle is the marketmaker, everybody knows that, but fairlay doesnt say it out loud 

Well at least they openly say here that this is not the case.



Would be sad to be lied to. But that would be no surprise at this point to be honest. But yet, we will never know I guess. They tell us whatever they want, just like in this case here.

[Rating Place]

One thing that I’d like to address to give some background on Fairlay as far as winning big. People have been betting huge amounts of money at Fairlay for 10 years. Fairlay makes money on volume. As soon as there is a huge bet at Fairlay, the line moves immediately at Pinny.

because pinnacle is the marketmaker, everybody knows that, but fairlay doesnt say it out loud  

There are multiple market makers. Whether Fairlay is right or wrong in the ongoing case, everyone familiar with Fairlay realizes this is not some scam operation and huge bets go through them.

Fairlay has been invite only for some time now even though that seems to be changing. I opened my account in 2014 when all could sign up. After 10 years, there is now one case that even I may disagree with Fairlay. It’s still no reason to demonize Fairlay until we know all the facts.

There are 774 BTC in Fairlay's cold storage wallet https://fairlay.com/faq/#proof-of-reserves

[cryptofrka]

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everyone familiar with Fairlay realizes this is not some scam operation and huge bets go through them.

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

[Haunebu]

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

Yeah. They did embarass themselves for sure by going back on their own words just because they didn't with certain viewpoints. They definitely aren't a scam site, but they will lose punters with that sort of behaviour.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

Their evidence did it make it look like some of those matches were fixed though and they are a sports betting exchange(Not a bookie).

[efialtis]

Let`s keep it real, they seriously shared some instagram posts stating something like "There`s a market selling fixed matches and team X is mentioned often"... 

[Rating Place]

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

Yeah. They did embarass themselves for sure by going back on their own words just because they didn't with certain viewpoints. They definitely aren't a scam site, but they will lose punters with those sort of behaviour.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

Their evidence did it make it look like some of those matches were fixed though and they are a sports betting exchange(Not a bookie).

You are one person that understands Fairlay. One thread doesn’t define 10 years of payouts. They are the only casino/book/ sports exchange that supported hard forks, their payouts are almost immediate. They have $52m in their cold storage. I didn’t start posting in this thread until page 7 other than mentioning holydarkness. I did this to give myself time to research even though I’ve been there 10 years.

Their negatives are that they have the worst UI of all books. They have one case that needs to be cleaned up.

Let`s keep it real, they seriously shared some instagram posts stating something like "There`s a market selling fixed matches and team X is mentioned often"...  

 I think you should look more in to Fairlay. No one that plays at Fairlay would call them a scam. They aren’t one of the crypto books here that keeps stealing money for multi-accounting and jurisdiction. If they clean up the UI and take care of the fixed match, they would be the number 1 crypto sportsbook/exchange. They could be a mix of Pinny and BetFair.

Even now as is, no one can name a safer book.

[efialtis]

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

Yeah. They did embarass themselves for sure by going back on their own words just because they didn't with certain viewpoints. They definitely aren't a scam site, but they will lose punters with those sort of behaviour.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

Their evidence did it make it look like some of those matches were fixed though and they are a sports betting exchange(Not a bookie).

You are one person that understands Fairlay. One thread doesn’t define 10 years of payouts. They are the only casino/book/ sports exchange that supported hard forks, their payouts are almost immediate. They have $52m in their cold storage. I didn’t start posting in this thread until page 7 other than mentioning holydarkness. I did this to give myself time to research even though I’ve been there 10 years.

Their negatives are that they have the worst UI of all books. They have one case that needs to be cleaned up.

Let`s keep it real, they seriously shared some instagram posts stating something like "There`s a market selling fixed matches and team X is mentioned often"...  

 I think you should look more in to Fairlay. No one that plays at Fairlay would call them a scam. They aren’t one of the crypto books here that keeps stealing money for multi-accounting and jurisdiction. If they clean up the UI and take care of the fixed match, they would be the number 1 crypto sportsbook/exchange. They could be a mix of Pinny and BetFair.

Even now as is, no one can name a safer book.

Read again what I wrote and please comment on that - I did not say anything related to your response to me.

So did they share the ridiculous instagram bs or not?

[Upgrade00]

Read again what I wrote and please comment on that - I did not say anything related to your response to me.

That user as I mentioned earlier has been trying to whitewash their (fairlay) image, and he's replies has had striking similarities with the final message the official fairlay account made here;

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly.

Rating Place has ignored all of the comments here, solely focusing on their record of safety and wanting to draw users into a competition of which website is the safest, as if any of that should have importance in this isolated case.

[Rating Place]

This is the scary part TBH. Seeing how they behaved here and which arguments they used/defended, you'd think they are just starting with their business.

Yeah. They did embarass themselves for sure by going back on their own words just because they didn't with certain viewpoints. They definitely aren't a scam site, but they will lose punters with those sort of behaviour.

If they are really here for 10+ years, they should know better than to say 'ooh, this looks fixed'. The lack of understanding of sports for a sports bookie is baffling as well.

Their evidence did it make it look like some of those matches were fixed though and they are a sports betting exchange(Not a bookie).

You are one person that understands Fairlay. One thread doesn’t define 10 years of payouts. They are the only casino/book/ sports exchange that supported hard forks, their payouts are almost immediate. They have $52m in their cold storage. I didn’t start posting in this thread until page 7 other than mentioning holydarkness. I did this to give myself time to research even though I’ve been there 10 years.

Their negatives are that they have the worst UI of all books. They have one case that needs to be cleaned up.

Let`s keep it real, they seriously shared some instagram posts stating something like "There`s a market selling fixed matches and team X is mentioned often"...  

 I think you should look more in to Fairlay. No one that plays at Fairlay would call them a scam. They aren’t one of the crypto books here that keeps stealing money for multi-accounting and jurisdiction. If they clean up the UI and take care of the fixed match, they would be the number 1 crypto sportsbook/exchange. They could be a mix of Pinny and BetFair.

Even now as is, no one can name a safer book.

Read again what I wrote and please comment on that - I did not say anything related to your response to me.

So did they share the ridiculous instagram bs or not?

sure, I can agree that it may be ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as fake promos as well as Kick and YouTube videos that others are putting out.

Read again what I wrote and please comment on that - I did not say anything related to your response to me.

That user as I mentioned earlier has been trying to whitewash their (fairlay) image, and he's replies has had striking similarities with the final message the official fairlay account made here;

We are very sorry to see, that reputable members of this community like efialtis and others immediately take side of some random (potentially criminal) guy over a business, that has a 10-year track record of serving all customers well and fairly.

Rating Place has ignored all of the comments here, solely focusing on their record of safety and wanting to draw users into a competition of which website is the safest, as if any of that should have importance in this isolated case.

Safety is a major part of the thread. People have 3 red tags on Fairlay that are unwarranted. There needs to be some type of comparison with other books to determine a base line on “not to be trusted”. That’s my disagreement with efialtis and it’s not personal since I like and respect efialtis. It's the same with holydarkness. I trust him even though we disagree on a lot.

[cryptofrka]

Safety is a major part of the thread. People have 3 red tags on Fairlay that are unwarranted. There needs to be some type of comparison to determine a base line on “not to be trusted”.

Fairlay is lucky not to have a flag as well.
'You cheated so I won't give you the money' is a baseline for 'not to be trusted'.

Did you read the thread at all? Fairlay came here asking for a 300$ arbitrator, then reneged even from that amateur approach once they realized they don't have any support.

If you have some sort of a deal with them, which seems likely considering you're defending them for this, use that influence to tell them how inappropriate their behavior is and stop telling us that they are in the business for 10 years. If they do business like this, it's a miracle they last for 10 days.

[Rating Place]

Safety is a major part of the thread. People have 3 red tags on Fairlay that are unwarranted. There needs to be some type of comparison to determine a base line on “not to be trusted”.

Fairlay is lucky not to have a flag as well.
'You cheated so I won't give you the money' is a baseline for 'not to be trusted'.

Did you read the thread at all? Fairlay came here asking for a 300$ arbitrator, then reneged even from that amateur approach once they realized they don't have any support.

If you have some sort of a deal with them, which seems likely considering you're defending them for this, use that influence to tell them how inappropriate their behavior is and stop telling us that they are in the business for 10 years. If they do business like this, it's a miracle they last for 10 days.

You keep saying that I'm taking Fairlay's side. I have never taken Fairlay's side. The thread started May 29. I did 2 weeks of research before making any comments. Then said I'd take the player's side even though there are games that are obviously fixed. It’s just that the standard is high to call fix and would like to see more evidence. How did this player come about knowing the game was rigged or if he was even aware. Full betting history is needed along with his background.

Give quotes where Fairlay has been unprofessional since people keep repeating it. Please show actual quotes instead of creating a narrative.

Is there anyone that thinks none of these games were rigged?

[cryptofrka]

Give quotes where Fairlay has been unprofessional since people keep repeating it. Please show actual quotes instead of creating a narrative.

Is there anyone that thinks none of these games were rigged?

Why is there a need for quotes? I did not create a narrative, I invited Fairlay to communicate more clearly and transparently from the beginning. The narrative created itself - because Fairlay acts the way they do.
They copied Instagram posts as proof that games are rigged, juggled between potential arbitrators and failed to communicate properly on their strategy going forward. The general consensus is that they don't give a s%&t.

It is also borderline criminal to decide the game is rigged without evidence.

I don't really care if the game is rigged, of course games in amateur sports can be rigged.
That's why you don't allow a 100k$ bet on such markets. If you do - pay up.

You can't have an opinion about it though, you need to have confirmation from the governing body.

[Rating Place]

Give quotes where Fairlay has been unprofessional since people keep repeating it. Please show actual quotes instead of creating a narrative.

Is there anyone that thinks none of these games were rigged?

Why is there a need for quotes? I did not create a narrative, I invited Fairlay to communicate more clearly and transparently from the beginning. The narrative created itself - because Fairlay acts the way they do.
They copied Instagram posts as proof that games are rigged, juggled between potential arbitrators and failed to communicate properly on their strategy going forward. The general consensus is that they don't give a s%&t.

It is also borderline criminal to decide the game is rigged without evidence.

I don't really care if the game is rigged, of course games in amateur sports can be rigged.
That's why you don't allow a 100k$ bet on such markets. If you do - pay up.

You can't have an opinion about it though, you need to have confirmation from the governing body.

1. We agree the games were rigged. At least you don’t deny it.
2. Fairlay put up an email address if someone wanted to arbitrate in private and no one did it.

If you are interested, please apply via vip@fairlay.com or in this thread.

3. Fairlay didn’t want to fully communicate with you, I or anyone else publicly and I’d assume privately if they weren’t the agreed arbiter.
4. There are rules against those that rig games.
5. The punter and most involved in fixing the matches in post 1 are Ukrainian.

This goes back to 2018 but still happening.

 Ukraine Accuses 35 Football Clubs, Hundreds Of Players, Officials Of Match Fixing

https://www.rferl.org/amp/ukraine-accuses-35-football-clubs-hundreds-of-players-officials-with-match-fixing/29243784.html

We just need to know more about the punter.

Edit- when Jontay Porter of the NBA was accused earlier this year of rigging sports bets, DraftKings didn’t pay him although other sportsbooks paid.

[holydarkness]

1. We agree the games were rigged. At least you don’t deny it.

As I previously said, the decision of the game being rigged or not should come from the officials, the one who held that match. It doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter, whether we believe a game is rigged or not, and it shouldn't be used by fairlay to make a ruling.

A simple example that come from the top of my head, basically any UFC match, you'll hear [for instance], "Silva got robbed", "what a daylight robbery", "there is no way he win that two rounds. The judge must be sleeping the whole time", "fire that judge, he's clearly paid" across the social media platform. People basically giving their opinion that the game is rigged, that the jury is not fair. Does that mean the match got annulled? No.

Let's go for something more on point, one that come to my mind when I typed above paragraph, a PFL match between Anthony Pettis v. Stevie Ray, fast forward to minutes 10:45. I remember there was an outrage on many social media, saying that there is no way it's a submission, some analyze that it's a very good and modified twister submission, some even asked if Pettis accidentally got a stomach cramp or something in the spirit of giving a benefit of doubt. Some argued that Pettis is a known gambler [he actually made it public through some posts of this activity on his social media] and the odds are very high on him, so he do the math and find a way to blank-blank-blank.

But let's suppose that above match is what being discussed here between fairlay and newfish1. Can fairlay really appointed someone to watch the video, do their investigation, ask a martial art master, a black belt BJJ sensei, or whatever he will do to get into a decision, and then fairlay use that decision as the final verdict? All while the official actually decided that the game is normal?

Bottomline: no one should have the capacity to made the ruling other than the PFL themselves. And likewise, no one should be able to decide the outcome of those Finnish games without a thorough and direct investigation to the parties being involved. So, going back to where I start this long paragraph, it doesn't really matter if two, three, or ten people agree, the decision should only come from the officials, after a thorough investigation.

2. Fairlay put up an email address if someone wanted to arbitrate in private and no one did it.

If you are interested, please apply via vip@fairlay.com or in this thread.

Is it a fact? Do you know first-hand-ly that they're still looking for an arbitrator? If it's an assumption, why not assume that fairlay actually cut a deal with newfish1? Anyone notice that newfish1 is awfully silent? His last online date [as per the time this post made] was 10 June, one day before fairlay made their post to withdraw themselves and unilaterally choose an arbitrator.

Why not assume that fairlay actually made a deal with their player behind the screen, and then to safe face and to avoid any questions further about the case, they made that post of cessation?

[Rating Place]

1. We agree the games were rigged. At least you don’t deny it.

As I previously said, the decision of the game being rigged or not should come from the officials, the one who held that match. It doesn't matter, it shouldn't matter, whether we believe a game is rigged or not, and it shouldn't be used by fairlay to make a ruling.

A simple example that come from the top of my head, basically any UFC match, you'll hear [for instance], "Silva got robbed", "what a daylight robbery", "there is no way he win that two rounds. The judge must be sleeping the whole time", "fire that judge, he's clearly paid" across the social media platform. People basically giving their opinion that the game is rigged, that the jury is not fair. Does that mean the match got annulled? No.

Let's go for something more on point, one that come to my mind when I typed above paragraph, a PFL match between Anthony Pettis v. Stevie Ray, fast forward to minutes 10:45. I remember there was an outrage on many social media, saying that there is no way it's a submission, some analyze that it's a very good and modified twister submission, some even asked if Pettis accidentally got a stomach cramp or something in the spirit of giving a benefit of doubt. Some argued that Pettis is a known gambler [he actually made it public through some posts of this activity on his social media] and the odds are very high on him, so he do the math and find a way to blank-blank-blank.

But let's suppose that above match is what being discussed here between fairlay and newfish1. Can fairlay really appointed someone to watch the video, do their investigation, ask a martial art master, a black belt BJJ sensei, or whatever he will do to get into a decision, and then fairlay use that decision as the final verdict? All while the official actually decided that the game is normal?

Bottomline: no one should have the capacity to made the ruling other than the PFL themselves. And likewise, no one should be able to decide the outcome of those Finnish games without a thorough and direct investigation to the parties being involved. So, going back to where I start this long paragraph, it doesn't really matter if two, three, or ten people agree, the decision should only come from the officials, after a thorough investigation.

2. Fairlay put up an email address if someone wanted to arbitrate in private and no one did it.

If you are interested, please apply via vip@fairlay.com or in this thread.

Is it a fact? Do you know first-hand-ly that they're still looking for an arbitrator? If it's an assumption, why not assume that fairlay actually cut a deal with newfish1? Anyone notice that newfish1 is awfully silent? His last online date [as per the time this post made] was 10 June, one day before fairlay made their post to withdraw themselves and unilaterally choose an arbitrator.

Why not assume that fairlay actually made a deal with their player behind the screen, and then to safe face and to avoid any questions further about the case, they made that post of cessation?

The quote from Fairlay was long ago where they put out their email. In this thread, Fairlay did state that they found someone. You make all valid points. I've been posting points for Fairlay as it seems that the forum has turned on Fairlay and want to post counter points. I still haven't come out and said that they player is guilty although the more that I look into it and think about it, the player seems guilty. Even if guilty can Fairlay take his money? According to the ToS, yes. In the decision by the arbitrator, it would be nice to see his reasoning.

If I were going to be involved in match fixing and wanted to bet a nice sum, Fairlay is the first place I'd bet because you can use crypto and they are probably the most anonymous place to bet. Another thing that I'd like to find out, was there a substantial amount of money bet at other books. There are a few more unknowns to come to a conclusion.

[holydarkness]

The quote from Fairlay was long ago where they put out their email. In this thread, Fairlay did state that they found someone. You make all valid points. I've been posting points for Fairlay as it seems that the forum has turned on Fairlay and want to post counter points. I still haven't come out and said that they player is guilty although the more that I look into it and think about it, the player seems guilty. Even if guilty can Fairlay take his money? According to the ToS, yes. In the decision by the arbitrator, it would be nice to see his reasoning.

[...]

And that is the extent of the capacity of arbitrator that fairlay choose, any arbitrator they choose, really, be it the one newfish1 agreed [efialtis and me] or the one they unilaterally choose, or the ones that [let's suppose] they finally decide to choose together later in the future: reasoning why the bets should be confiscated or paid.

This is not like a case of late-betting accusation that can be validated through matching the time of the player placing bets and the actual playtime, where the result pulled will be an absolut, a yes or a no. Nor a case of multi-acc that [privately or publicly] the casino can provide their findings and detection that matched one account to other, where the arbitrator will then validate those matches.

On this case, the arbitrator can't decide whether the game is rigged or not and that decision be taken as a fact to made a ruling. All they can do is take a spin into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason to justify why newfish1 should or should not be paid. That's the extent of what he can do, ethically.

With above statements as basis, then a question that I believe should be valid to be asked will be: then why bother looking for an independent arbitrator while all the independent people here [they're not affected at any degree with the outcome of this case, nor related to any party, thus safe to assume they're independent bodies] already take a look into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason why a step should be taken instead of the other?

Go with the majority decision, case closed. That simple.

[LEVSKI7]

Why not assume that fairlay actually made a deal with their player behind the screen, and then to safe face and to avoid any questions further about the case, they made that post of cessation?

The military police may have caught a game4a and sent him to the front
if he has left his home, he will be caught. and it can only be spread to women who will gather and get him out

[Rating Place]

The quote from Fairlay was long ago where they put out their email. In this thread, Fairlay did state that they found someone. You make all valid points. I've been posting points for Fairlay as it seems that the forum has turned on Fairlay and want to post counter points. I still haven't come out and said that they player is guilty although the more that I look into it and think about it, the player seems guilty. Even if guilty can Fairlay take his money? According to the ToS, yes. In the decision by the arbitrator, it would be nice to see his reasoning.

[...]

And that is the extent of the capacity of arbitrator that fairlay choose, any arbitrator they choose, really, be it the one newfish1 agreed [efialtis and me] or the one they unilaterally choose, or the ones that [let's suppose] they finally decide to choose together later in the future: reasoning why the bets should be confiscated or paid.

This is not like a case of late-betting accusation that can be validated through matching the time of the player placing bets and the actual playtime, where the result pulled will be an absolut, a yes or a no. Nor a case of multi-acc that [privately or publicly] the casino can provide their findings and detection that matched one account to other, where the arbitrator will then validate those matches.

On this case, the arbitrator can't decide whether the game is rigged or not and that decision be taken as a fact to made a ruling. All they can do is take a spin into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason to justify why newfish1 should or should not be paid. That's the extent of what he can do, ethically.

With above statements as basis, then a question that I believe should be valid to be asked will be: then why bother looking for an independent arbitrator while all the independent people here [they're not affected at any degree with the outcome of this case, nor related to any party, thus safe to assume they're independent bodies] already take a look into the case, walk through it, and pull their opinion and reason why a step should be taken instead of the other?

Go with the majority decision, case closed. That simple.

If the player has any type of affiliation with the other Ukrainian players then he’s obviously guilty. Fairlay can’t allow fixed games or they will never get volume in anything except something such as NFL or EPL. As soon as we get the background of the player we will know. That information should be limited to as few people as possible. The arbitrator should get that. It’s the exact same thing as Jontay Porter and co. Investigations aren’t public knowledge until some time after the crime.

[holydarkness]

If the player has any type of affiliation with the other Ukrainian players then he’s obviously guilty. Fairlay can’t allow fixed games or they will never get volume in anything except something such as NFL or EPL. As soon as we get the background of the player we will know. That information should be limited to as few people as possible. The arbitrator should get that. It’s the exact same thing as Jontay Porter and co. Investigations aren’t public knowledge until some time after the crime.

How do you propose that investigator to unearth this "any type of affiliation"? Certainly it is a common understanding and agreement that shared nationality shouldn't be a strong enough proof of affiliation?

Should he inquired to Finnish DVV, see if he shared lineage with one of the player? Or perhaps, since he can't get an official warrant to scrutinize newfish1's personal things, hack into the his phone and search for his communication history, see if there any trace of communication between him and the involved players?

[newfish1]

Hi guys,
i haven't posted anything as I was busy fixing the Ukrainian game in Euro 2024 yesterday. Had to pay a very big sum of money to our goalkeeper (he plays in Real Madrid, so he requested a very big bribe to let those goals in).

As I mentioned before, my last attempt to communicate with Fairlay was before all this bad publicity and all the tags. I did not want to taint their reputation or anything like that, so I proposed to them, that I would bet an insane amount of around 700 000 USD before being able to withdraw funds from them (and bet on the EURO 2024 tournament, biggest betting market possible).

They refused.

On a side note, I guess any person can do a two week research, and still miss the fact that one of 2  teams with Ukrainian players just a season before lost 4-34 in goals over 7 games without Ukrainian players

But, it is always easier to bring up the Ukrainian agenda.

A bystander could even think about a ruzzian or beloruzzian connection here ...

Just saying ...