Potential Match Fixing involving Finnish teams FC Futura and Ilves-Kissat

[Vurtnex]

@newfish1 contact me, I will try to help you

[holydarkness]

@newfish1 contact me, I will try to help you

I'll advise not to. Unless Vurtnex can describe in public on how exactly will he help. I think, judging from the newbie account and that above being his first post, the likelihood of him trying to scam you is quite big.


Vurtnex, please elaborate more, lest people consider you're a scammer and should be approached with caution.

[Rating Place]

If the player has any type of affiliation with the other Ukrainian players then he’s obviously guilty. Fairlay can’t allow fixed games or they will never get volume in anything except something such as NFL or EPL. As soon as we get the background of the player we will know. That information should be limited to as few people as possible. The arbitrator should get that. It’s the exact same thing as Jontay Porter and co. Investigations aren’t public knowledge until some time after the crime.

How do you propose that investigator to unearth this "any type of affiliation"? Certainly it is a common understanding and agreement that shared nationality shouldn't be a strong enough proof of affiliation?

Should he inquired to Finnish DVV, see if he shared lineage with one of the player? Or perhaps, since he can't get an official warrant to scrutinize newfish1's personal things, hack into the his phone and search for his communication history, see if there any trace of communication between him and the involved players?

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

[holydarkness]

How do you propose that investigator to unearth this "any type of affiliation"? Certainly it is a common understanding and agreement that shared nationality shouldn't be a strong enough proof of affiliation?

Should he inquired to Finnish DVV, see if he shared lineage with one of the player? Or perhaps, since he can't get an official warrant to scrutinize newfish1's personal things, hack into the his phone and search for his communication history, see if there any trace of communication between him and the involved players?

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

What good does it bring? Revealing his true identity. Fairlay hired a private investigator with an aim to prove that the match was fixed. I don't think that investigator will bother to read here and put newfish1's defense as a point of consideration, and I am sure him doxxing himself will not be in any part that the PI's findings report. If any, it'll just make newfish1's situation worse by having his true identity revealed to an open forum.

[Haunebu]

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

This entire drama reached a dead end sometime back itself when Fairlay decided to go back on their own words and arbitrate through some other means which they may or may not have actually done.

Also, newfish revealing his identity won't affect this entire drama in the slightest as holydarkness pointed out.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

This entire drama reached a dead end sometime back itself when Fairlay decided to go back on their own words and arbitrate through some other means which they may or may not have actually done.

Also, newfish revealing his identity won't affect this entire drama in the slightest as holydarkness pointed out.

On point.
It also seems like this thread has just become a person conversation back and forth between Rating place and holydarkness, this doesn't help this case at all and only makes it more complicated.
I am not sure if the fairlay person will even come back at one point. The damage o their reputation in this forum is already done, and they did it to themselves which is the funniest part of it. Perfect example how to NOT address/handle a situation.

[cryptofrka]

Yep, everything has been said here.

1. We agree the games were rigged. At least you don’t deny it.

This got my blood boiling a bit though.
I never said the games were rigged, I said games in amateur leagues have a higher chance of being rigged than in professional sports.
For that conclusion you only need a few healthy brain cells, nothing else.

Doesn't mean you get to combine the two and put incorrect conclusions into my mouth.

[Upgrade00]

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

• Putting the burden of helping the case move ahead on the player and not the platform that has reneged on their own proposed means of settlement and not taken any of the numerous advice that have been given by potential arbitrators they themselves had recommended.

• Construing people's words to make it seem they are subtly in support of Fairlay

• Diverting from the actual case and trying to drag others into a reputation tussle.

It's not out of place to assume Fairlay requested you come to the thread and defend them fteebthey decided they were digging bigger holes for themselves with their conduct and no one is going to tag you for your opinion on an open case.

[Rating Place]

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

• Putting the burden of helping the case move ahead on the player and not the platform that has reneged on their own proposed means of settlement and not taken any of the numerous advice that have been given by potential arbitrators they themselves had recommended.

• Construing people's words to make it seem they are subtly in support of Fairlay

• Diverting from the actual case and trying to drag others into a reputation tussle.

It's not out of place to assume Fairlay requested you come to the thread and defend them fteebthey decided they were digging bigger holes for themselves with their conduct and no one is going to tag you for your opinion on an open case.

Until recently I haven’t mentioned Fairlay in 10 years other than have their name in the rating guide and they don’t have a rating. Fairlay never asked for support, they asked for a referral. I gave out holydarkness as a referral. I stated I don’t know who is right. I have a bad habit of going off topic, ask those in scam accusations where most of my posts now come from.

[holydarkness]

I think we’re at a dead end here. We don’t know what happened and won’t know unless newfish were to reveal his true identity. I don’t know who is right and have nothing more to add.

This entire drama reached a dead end sometime back itself when Fairlay decided to go back on their own words and arbitrate through some other means which they may or may not have actually done.

Also, newfish revealing his identity won't affect this entire drama in the slightest as holydarkness pointed out.

On point.
It also seems like this thread has just become a person conversation back and forth between Rating place and holydarkness, this doesn't help this case at all and only makes it more complicated.
I am not sure if the fairlay person will even come back at one point. The damage o their reputation in this forum is already done, and they did it to themselves which is the funniest part of it. Perfect example how to NOT address/handle a situation.

LMAO, written like this, I can't help but feeling guilty for [allegedly] contributing on beating a dead horse. I agreed that the thread serve not much of a purpose after fairlay abandoned their initial plan and leave us hanging with no updates of their PI.

In my defense, though, the last dialogs did not happen exclusively between me and peeps, others are also engaged with him and I'm simply [attempting to] straighten some facts and state the obvious when the narrative and ideas started to swayed left and right.

[SeymourT]

Everyone got this wrong so this is a teaching post. The bettor doesn't need to be doxed. A stooge is used to bet. The bookmaker makes the decision on fixed matches in small leagues. Only one or two bookmakers will take the hit on large wagers in small league fixed matches. No one else is going to care about these wagers so they aren't going to be looked at and they aren't going to be published anywhere as fixed matches. The evidence is overwhelming that these matches are fixed. Fairlay shouldn't have even asked for mediation. Fairlay asked for one mediator. Gosu and Holydarkness didn't accept being the sole mediator. Fairlay then asked for applications so that one mediator could be properly vetted. Fairlay never backed out or wavered on mediation. No one applied here or wanted to be the sole mediator. Fairlay wasn't going to agree to a panel or other suggestions. Not even Gosu and Holydarkness were qualified to mediate. Fairlay got their mediator three weeks ago and this thread should have been locked. I've never had contact with Fairlay so don't go that route. I'm using a burner account because I don't want to be involved in the same character assassination given to Fairlay.

[johanJ]

by overwhelming evidence i assume you mean the instagram posts 

[AHOYBRAUSE]

by overwhelming evidence i assume you mean the instagram posts 

That's what I was thinking.
Making a shill account to support Fairlay's behaviour is already something else but also writing such a nonsense is just laughable.

If there was so much evidence there would be an official investigation up to the highest ranks in European football and it would be known all over the internet.
But I guess having an opinion is for some reason the same as the truth for some people.

[SeymourT]

For criminal gangs, match-fixing remains an almost perfect and investigation-free crime to commit.

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/03/31/ukraine-ghost-games-fool-bookies-punters-data-firm-criminals-pull-off-perfect-crime/

[un_rank]

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/03/31/ukraine-ghost-games-fool-bookies-punters-data-firm-criminals-pull-off-perfect-crime/

Are you trying to say that since match fixing exists in Ukraine and the player in question is Ukrainian that should mean that he fixes matches? The best being called into question were made in the Finnish league as far as I can see, this link does not influence this case at all.

- Jay -

[Haunebu]

For criminal gangs, match-fixing remains an almost perfect and investigation-free crime to commit.

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/03/31/ukraine-ghost-games-fool-bookies-punters-data-firm-criminals-pull-off-perfect-crime/

The article that you shared is from 2020 and it's 2024 now implying that this isn't really helpful in this particular case as @un_rank already pointed out. Weird that you are trying to link that article with this particular case.

Anyway, I find it odd that Fairlay didn't lock this thread yet after announcing their own verdict without really caring about our opinions.

[SeymourT]

For criminal gangs, match-fixing remains an almost perfect and investigation-free crime to commit.

https://www.insideworldfootball.com/2020/03/31/ukraine-ghost-games-fool-bookies-punters-data-firm-criminals-pull-off-perfect-crime/

The article that you shared is from 2020 and it's 2024 now implying that this isn't really helpful in this particular case as @un_rank already pointed out. Weird that you are trying to link that article with this particular case.

Anyway, I find it odd that Fairlay didn't lock this thread yet after announcing their own verdict without really caring about our opinions.

It was a reply to AHOYBRAUSE. Lower level football matches are fixed with no investigation many times and the year doesn't matter. Even you said "the user took advantage of fixed matches in a pretty transparent manner and expected to get away since your site is a betting exchange." It doesn't matter if the bettor was Ukranian and also Fairlay never waivered on mediation since they kept asking for applicants and no one was agreeing to be the sole mediator. No one seemed right in the thread and I made corrections. No one can signup for Fairlay so it really doesn't matter what people try to do with their reputation. I'm a very large player there and got in just before they stopped taking signups.  

I'm editing to say that this post is a reply to a few posts above since I didn't multiquote.

[Coin_trader]

It was a reply to AHOYBRAUSE. Lower level football matches are fixed with no investigation many times and the year doesn't matter. Even you said "the user took advantage of fixed matches in a pretty transparent manner and expected to get away since your site is a betting exchange." It doesn't matter if the bettor was Ukranian and also Fairlay never waivered on mediation since they kept asking for applicants and no one was agreeing to be the sole mediator. No one seemed right in the thread and I made corrections. No one can signup for Fairlay so it really doesn't matter what people try to do with their reputation. I'm a very large player there and got in just before they stopped taking signups.  

I'm editing to say that this post is a reply to a few posts above since I didn't multiquote.

Then this will fall under the same category of this issue. Who classifies the game as fixed match and why it’s not under investigation until now?

The source of the article should file the complaint to the league for a fixed match if they have evidence because the article sound like same story with Fairlay which they are the only one claiming for a fixed match yet didn’t manage to prove their accusations or else this matches should be investigated.

[SeymourT]

It was a reply to AHOYBRAUSE. Lower level football matches are fixed with no investigation many times and the year doesn't matter. Even you said "the user took advantage of fixed matches in a pretty transparent manner and expected to get away since your site is a betting exchange." It doesn't matter if the bettor was Ukranian and also Fairlay never waivered on mediation since they kept asking for applicants and no one was agreeing to be the sole mediator. No one seemed right in the thread and I made corrections. No one can signup for Fairlay so it really doesn't matter what people try to do with their reputation. I'm a very large player there and got in just before they stopped taking signups.  

I'm editing to say that this post is a reply to a few posts above since I didn't multiquote.

Then this will fall under the same category of this issue. Who classifies the game as fixed match and why it’s not under investigation until now?

The source of the article should file the complaint to the league for a fixed match if they have evidence because the article sound like same story with Fairlay which they are the only one claiming for a fixed match yet didn’t manage to prove their accusations or else this matches should be investigated.

We need an expert to answer that but I, Haunebu, LFC Bitcoin, Rating Place have all said it's most likely fixed.

[holydarkness]

Then this will fall under the same category of this issue. Who classifies the game as fixed match and why it’s not under investigation until now?

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We need an expert to answer that but [...].

Not only an expert, that answer should come from the authorities investigating the case thoroughly, questioning every party involved and draw their conclusion from those findings.

This is the issue being discussed and repetitively pointed out here, one can easily say the match is rigged according to their opinion, be it through educated guess, a comprehensive study of the match pattern frame by frame, a random rambling, or whatever, they have the capability to draw that conclusion, but no one other than the authorities appointed by the officials of that league has the capacity to draw it.

I believe this is also the reason why AG refuses to mediate. They have experts who are fluent in mediating as well as finding and validating evidences, but they are well aware that they have no capacity to rule a game as fixed.

For someone who goes to a length to make a --by your own words-- teaching post to correct everybody here, because no one seemed right in the thread, you seem failed to read that issue being pointed out through several replies.