[ANN][NHZ] - NeXT Horizon | ***PoS*** | BOUNTIES | escrow@poloniex

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NHZ address: 16322633632720534619

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[zrunfeng]

it seems too complicated，it must make a ploblem:how to keep fair？

[tiger5056]

I have running client and unlock from few days but not receive.

i see all config ok. see hallmark. i see all peers. is any one receiving coins?
 

NHZ: 11128371103231804553

[sepehr]

This coin is not seem to be a fair distribution!

NXT distributed to known 73 people who accepted to risk and join!
NEM is distributed to 3000 people who accepted to contribute!

How about NHZ?

Block explorer shows 1 Billion NHZ exist and the Genesis Account seems to be this:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=13675701959091502344

this  1Billion NHZ divided to one 200M and one 800M Accounts:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=7152054609364438286

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=5284279215227947913

These accounts used to credit several other accounts for 300M, 80M, 2M, 1M, 500K and so!

Why this payments made? Who are the owners of these accounts? who has the control over 800M or 200M accounts???

These are completely unknown! yes I own several nodes now! And received several Bounties of an amount of 666 NHZ But who owns the Big whales in NHZ?

It's completely unknown!

Also the main accounts(200M and 800M and other Big 300M and 80M accounts) used to forge and assigned to some nodes and received 333 and 666 NHZ Bounties! Just like any other personal accounts!!!! Wow! This is totally ridiculous! The owner of these Big accounts assumed them as his own personal account! and hallmarked them and assigned them to his nodes!

I think this is not a fair coin and everybody should know this! I think this coin lacks the minimum discipline requirements that a coin should have! So suggest everyone to avoid it!

P.S: I have removed all NHZ Nodes installed on my servers!

[WayToGo]

This coin is not seem to be a fair distribution!

NXT distributed to known 73 people who accepted to risk and join!
NEM is distributed to 3000 people who accepted to contribute!

How about NHZ?

Block explorer shows 1 Billion NHZ exist and the Genesis Account seems to be this:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=13675701959091502344

this  1Billion NHZ divided to one 200M and one 800M Accounts:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=7152054609364438286

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=5284279215227947913

These accounts used to credit several other accounts for 300M, 80M, 2M, 1M, 500K and so!

Why this payments made? Who are the owners of these accounts? who has the control over 800M or 200M accounts???

These are completely unknown! yes I own several nodes now! And received several Bounties of an amount of 666 NHZ But who owns the Big whales in NHZ?

It's completely unknown!

Also the main accounts(200M and 800M and other Big 300M and 80M accounts) used to forge and assigned to some nodes and received 333 and 666 NHZ Bounties! Just like any other personal accounts!!!! Wow! This is totally ridiculous! The owner of these Big accounts assumed them as his own personal account! and hallmarked them and assigned them to his nodes!

I think this is not a fair coin and everybody should know this! I think this coin lacks the minimum discipline requirements that a coin should have! So suggest everyone to avoid it!

P.S: I have removed all NHZ Nodes installed on my servers!

Thanks for bringing this up sepehr.
Waiting for the response from OP now.
Unless every NHZ is accounted, its wrong to call it a fair distribution and there wont be any believers in this coin.

[cbkr]

Wow, everything is suspicious to you, huh?
Of course there are big accounts now, we are still distributing coins. They need to be somewhere!
The big accounts are all bounty accounts and we take bounty funds from there.
We split them up to organize it a bit more.
The core servers have hallmarks too, of course. That's what hallmarks are for. And those hallmarks are from the very first accounts. Of course!
There is nothing suspicious about that.

Well.. They shouldn't receive bounties though. I'm fixing this as we speak.
Keep calm, guys!

cbkr

Edit: We are also working on a visual marking of bounty accounts for the block explorer. I hope that will help making things more transparent.
Edit: And yes, the main accounts used to forge. How the f* would we get the blockchain running otherwise?

[pharesim]

Hehe, what did you think where the bounties are coming from? Distribution will take a while and during that time the coins are under our control of course.

The bounty accounts have received node-bounties/been forging by error, but that doesn't matter in any way because those coins will be given out again later.

Nobody is forced to take part. If you don't want to run a node or participate in another way because you don't trust us, move along. But don't complain later that you missed the chance to get in early.
Our goal is a fair distribution, it should be clear this can't be reached in one week.

[pharesim]

I just added the possibility to name accounts in the block explorer. All bounty accounts have been marked that way.

Contact me if you want to have a title for your ID 

[stoneone]

  what's detail plan for this project?

[prospect]

This coin is not seem to be a fair distribution!

NXT distributed to known 73 people who accepted to risk and join!
NEM is distributed to 3000 people who accepted to contribute!

How about NHZ?

Block explorer shows 1 Billion NHZ exist and the Genesis Account seems to be this:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=13675701959091502344

this  1Billion NHZ divided to one 200M and one 800M Accounts:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=7152054609364438286

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=5284279215227947913

These are completely unknown! yes I own several nodes now! And received several Bounties of an amount of 666 NHZ But who owns the Big whales in NHZ?

It's completely unknown!

Also the main accounts(200M and 800M and other Big 300M and 80M accounts) used to forge and assigned to some nodes and received 333 and 666 NHZ Bounties! Just like any other personal accounts!!!! Wow! This is totally ridiculous! The owner of these Big accounts assumed them as his own personal account! and hallmarked them and assigned them to his nodes!

I think this is not a fair coin and everybody should know this! I think this coin lacks the minimum discipline requirements that a coin should have! So suggest everyone to avoid it!

P.S: I have removed all NHZ Nodes installed on my servers!

Congratulations to your investigation.. how long did this took you to figure out?

1. You found out which accounts funds are stored. (well done.)
2. The owner uses them like his personal accounts (how should the funds else get transferred?)
3. The core nodes has hallmarks. (ok.)
4. The account holders are unknown. (well..)
5. Official statistics of NEM and NXT. (sort of correct, but still not)
6. Some of the big accounts have recived bounty (can not argue there)

and by this you draw the following conclusions, the distribution is unfair, it lacks discipline.

Dude, you need to calm down. How many days do you think this currency has been alive? 2 weeks. There has been no development before this. All this you see, is done in those two weeks. Distribution will go on for years.

We have none of your money. None of your btc. If you want to take part, run a node, do some other work. Else, go on with other things.

Im surprised actually. I expect more of persons on bct.


Have a good day sir.

[sepehr]

Dear Prospect, pharesim and cbkr,

Can I please have your NHZ account numbers?
Do you receive same amount of NHZ just like any other of us receiving 666 per day per server? or you are the owners of some of those big whales?

Naming accounts was very good idea but not complete.

You called some accounts bounty1, bounty2, bounty3, bounty4 and bounty5.

That's very good idea but you should let the community know who is responsible for these accounts.

But this is not the end of the story there is lots of other Millioner accounts:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=9473989027 Balance:   52,751,567 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=10213479994452367692 Balance:   4,255,069 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=446841167369702212 Balance:   1,445,469 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=9307421903608128156 Balance:   3,249,478 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=6756539540247114713 Balance:   1,021,940 NHZ

If you cleared these accounts and their holders, then there is a lot of hundred thousands accounts!

I'm not an auditor! I'm a programmer!

But the way you are going is not seems correct!

And you need an auditor to check if all bounties really paid by responsible persons or not?!

I'm sorry but I have not convinced yet!

[shinep]

The coin was started only two weeks back and how come so many millionaire accounts?
Are they running thousands of nodes to get this or is it some other bounty programme which we dont know of?

I dont have a problem in the devs keeping some stakes for the development of this coin, but this has to be made known to the community.
I have seen people arguing about translation bounties and node bounties here, and you guys are transferring millions in the background, nice.

Could you guys create an excel sheet or something with details of all the bounty paid, so that the all payments can be transparent.
We can update this sheet as we go along, and all the community could see why the 1mill bounty is paid to account X.

I have to say I am a bit let down by sepehr's findings, as I thought this coin would be different when so many scams are going on out there.
I was about to start a node but I think I will wait to see how fair this distribution is.

[cryptonikus]

the distribution model seems a bit chaotic.
You guys should write down some rules for bounties and stuff.
and what about people who cant run a node?

[Bernd555]

the distribution model seems a bit chaotic.
You guys should write down some rules for bounties stuff.
and what about people who cant run a node?

correctly !
   

[ollisewicz]

the distribution model seems a bit chaotic.
You guys should write down some rules for bounties stuff.
and what about people who cant run a node?

correctly !
   

Hello everyone.
I think this is fair. Everyone is able to get nhz. There is the tutorial to run a node. If you want to invest, you have to run the hallmarked node on a vps for example. Nothing is for free in this World, in this business. If you think this project will be successfull and you want to be a part of it, you have to invest your time and money.
I think this idea of node bounty is very cool.

I hope this project will be successfull. Im angry avout the people who think they will get something without doing something.

If you arent able to run a node... (Which is not true)... You have to do something else for the community, for your bounty...

[WayToGo]

The coin was started only two weeks back and how come so many millionaire accounts?
Are they running thousands of nodes to get this or is it some other bounty programme which we dont know of?

I dont have a problem in the devs keeping some stakes for the development of this coin, but this has to be made known to the community.
I have seen people arguing about translation bounties and node bounties here, and you guys are transferring millions in the background, nice.

Could you guys create an excel sheet or something with details of all the bounty paid, so that the all payments can be transparent.
We can update this sheet as we go along, and all the community could see why the 1mill bounty is paid to account X.

I have to say I am a bit let down by sepehr's findings, as I thought this coin would be different when so many scams are going on out there.
I was about to start a node but I think I will wait to see how fair this distribution is.

Lets wait for the OP's answer, before making judgements.
May be there is valid reason for these transfers.

[prospect]

Dear Prospect, pharesim and cbkr,

Can I please have your NHZ account numbers?
Do you receive same amount of NHZ just like any other of us receiving 666 per day per server? or you are the owners of some of those big whales?

Naming accounts was very good idea but not complete.

You called some accounts bounty1, bounty2, bounty3, bounty4 and bounty5.

That's very good idea but you should let the community know who is responsible for these accounts.

But this is not the end of the story there is lots of other Millioner accounts:

http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=9473989027 Balance:   52,751,567 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=10213479994452367692 Balance:   4,255,069 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=446841167369702212 Balance:   1,445,469 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=9307421903608128156 Balance:   3,249,478 NHZ
http://explorer.nhzcrypto.org/?page=account&id=6756539540247114713 Balance:   1,021,940 NHZ

If you cleared these accounts and their holders, then there is a lot of hundred thousands accounts!

I'm not an auditor! I'm a programmer!

But the way you are going is not seems correct!

And you need an auditor to check if all bounties really paid by responsible persons or not?!

I'm sorry but I have not convinced yet!

9307421903608128156 developer account (One uniq person)
10213479994452367692 developer account (One uniq person
446841167369702212 developer account ( One uniq person)
9473989027 founder account (distribution account)

If there are any movements of funds from the developer accounts the funds are still theirs. The reason for the movement has to do with forgeing and let community being able to forge more.

Now. This discussion is over for my part. God speed!

[cbkr]

and what about people who cant run a node?

just come and meet us in irc, we are looking for a few helping hands from time to time.
we will launch a forum which needs moderators and we have a reddit which could use some submitters.

Lets wait for the OP's answer, before making judgements.
May be there is valid reason for these transfers.

there is.
those are our (developer) accounts. we're working on the coin and surrounding services/technology basically 24/7.
we are in the process of splitting up the funds to smaller accounts so other people can start to forge blocks.

Edit: and I was too slow with my posting prospect, damn you! 

[HarriHirsch]

Hi,

my node is online  

I like this project and I thought about how we can increase the popularity.

What Do you think, wouldn't it be nice to give away some coins for points in the word computing grid (fighting cancer and aids), like ripple dows with their computing for good.

So we can reach a broader range of people (especially those that have no fixed ip to run an node) to make this coin well-known. WCG can e.g. run in the Background at work...

Greetings from Germany,

Harri

NHZ: 17715634618141745485

[prospect]

Hi,

my node is online  

I like this project and I thought about how we can increase the popularity.

What Do you think, wouldn't it be nice to give away some coins for points in the word computing grid (fighting cancer and aids), like ripple dows with their computing for good.

So we can reach a broader range of people (especially those that have no fixed ip to run an node) to make this coin well-known. WCG can e.g. run in the Background at work...

Greetings from Germany,

Harri

NHZ: 17715634618141745485

Sure, sounds like an awesome idea. How would this giveaway be done? Who will recieve them. Who will handle the give away?

Please tell us more !