Bitcoin Forum
December 03, 2016, 09:42:57 AM *
News: To be able to use the next phase of the beta forum software, please ensure that your email address is correct/functional.
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: « 1 ... 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 [77] 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Anonibet Official Thread - Gold Member of Bitcoin Foundation  (Read 158100 times)
info@anonibet.com
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 693


anonibet.com


View Profile WWW
February 11, 2015, 08:29:46 PM
 #1521

Your bonus offer seems to good to be true, so I'm hoping for some clarification.

An example: I deposit 1000 mBTC, so have 1100 mBTC to bet. I go to NBA where most point spreads are 1.90, and bet it all.

If it wins I have 1990 mBTC balance

This provides effective odds of 1.99 on NBA point spreads. Correct?

And this can be repeated with each deposit?

Rules:

Quote

5.06 The Deposit Bonus will always remain as a bonus and cannot be withdrawn. The Deposit Bonus winnings can be withdrawn when the following criteria is met. In order for the customer to withdraw his deposits and winnings (including bonus winnings) without affecting the Deposit Bonus they need to place bets equivalent to the amount deposited (1 time rollover).

5.07 The Deposit Bonus will not be given to customers who would have made a withdrawal 48 hours prior to the deposit.

5.08 In cases of abuse by players, the Deposit Bonus and its winnings will be cancelled without explanation. Anonibet reserves the right to change the promotion rules and to terminate the promotion if it deems it necessary.


Rule 5.07 "would have?" (what does this mean, that wording confuses me?)

Rule 5.08 - what do you considered abuse. Would always only betting in full when having a bonus to get 1.99 odds on point spreads be considered abuse? If so where is the threshold. Can someone do this half the time, 25% of the time. What's the limit. Or if is allowed, then what are some specific examples that constitute abuse?

rule 5.07: If you make a withdraw today and make a deposit tomorrow you are not entitled for a bonus. You will need to wait 48 hours in order to get a deposit bonus.

Rule 5.08: Your example will not be considered as an abuse. It is a normal bet.

Regards,

www.anonibet.com
Totally Anonymous Account, Transfer Bitcoins safely without any fees
Soccer, Basketball, American Football, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Baseball, Motorsport, Volleyball, Boxing, Fighting Sports and more...
http://twitter.com/Anonibet
http://anonibet.blogspot.com/
1480758177
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480758177

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480758177
Reply with quote  #2

1480758177
Report to moderator
1480758177
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480758177

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480758177
Reply with quote  #2

1480758177
Report to moderator
1480758177
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480758177

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480758177
Reply with quote  #2

1480758177
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1480758177
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480758177

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480758177
Reply with quote  #2

1480758177
Report to moderator
1480758177
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1480758177

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1480758177
Reply with quote  #2

1480758177
Report to moderator
coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 04:17:03 AM
 #1522

Your bonus offer seems to good to be true, so I'm hoping for some clarification.

An example: I deposit 1000 mBTC, so have 1100 mBTC to bet. I go to NBA where most point spreads are 1.90, and bet it all.

If it wins I have 1990 mBTC balance

This provides effective odds of 1.99 on NBA point spreads. Correct?


Not correct. This provides effective odds of 2.09 and "we" all know it. There is also a great chance of being scammed by Anonibet with this method.
Recently, they have confiscated ~65 BTC of me for a week and later on, they sent me the amount by deducting 5.076 BTC, claiming "bonus abuse" and they haven't provided justification for this.
They are hiding themselves under the rule of 5.08.
We had notified Anonibet that we will apply an interest rate of 0.5% for each day that is not justified of 5.076 BTC deduction. I had notified Mr. Hoshford, CEO of Anonibet, directly but I don't think he will make a justification.

The case will be reported to SBR, at first, then relevant news channels.

We strongly believe that 10% deposit bonus is just a clever scheme for abusing bettors, also a way to hurt other bookies, unless other bookies cover against bettors or sell the bets in another venue.

In this regard, Anonibet should either provide detailed explanation of bonus abuse with each possible case scenario or remove the bonus promotion, completely.

Use Anonibet at your own risk! Because winning bettors at Anonibet are always either being limited, confiscated their funds, directed false accusations, even if they admit they've been arbitraging. (Do you really believe that Anonibet doesn't know they provide arbitraging opportunity? Ask yourselves.)

Final notes: As CEO of Coaex Precious Metals, I should make a clarification to avoid possible accusations towards us.
a) I had never used or have been using my customers' funds at betting. I always use my personal funds and my investors' funds and my investors are always aware of my betting activities, beforehand. My investors consist of people who doesn't have prior betting experience nor have they got an account at Anonibet, so far I know. This is just an irrelevant information but I'm providing, just in case.
b) All of my investors are paid, as of now.
c) I admit that I had used the advantage of arbitrage betting (also known as surebets). I can provide how one can make surebets at Anonibet and other bookies.
d) Anonibet is scam and/or a ponzi scheme, unless proved otherwise.

Possible question to be asked: In which cases, do you think there might be a bonus abuse?
My Answer: If there are odds like 1.90 - 1.90 in a 2-way event at Anonibet and if the bettor bets on each of them while using 10% bonus, this is a clear abuse. However, I should note that I had never placed a bet, as such.

Possible Mr. Hoshford reaction: You abused us, motherfucka!
Me: Seriously? -_-

Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
info@anonibet.com
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 693


anonibet.com


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 08:17:38 AM
 #1523

Your bonus offer seems to good to be true, so I'm hoping for some clarification.

An example: I deposit 1000 mBTC, so have 1100 mBTC to bet. I go to NBA where most point spreads are 1.90, and bet it all.

If it wins I have 1990 mBTC balance

This provides effective odds of 1.99 on NBA point spreads. Correct?


Not correct. This provides effective odds of 2.09 and "we" all know it. There is also a great chance of being scammed by Anonibet with this method.
Recently, they have confiscated ~65 BTC of me for a week and later on, they sent me the amount by deducting 5.076 BTC, claiming "bonus abuse" and they haven't provided justification for this.
They are hiding themselves under the rule of 5.08.
We had notified Anonibet that we will apply an interest rate of 0.5% for each day that is not justified of 5.076 BTC deduction. I had notified Mr. Hoshford, CEO of Anonibet, directly but I don't think he will make a justification.

The case will be reported to SBR, at first, then relevant news channels.

We strongly believe that 10% deposit bonus is just a clever scheme for abusing bettors, also a way to hurt other bookies, unless other bookies cover against bettors or sell the bets in another venue.

In this regard, Anonibet should either provide detailed explanation of bonus abuse with each possible case scenario or remove the bonus promotion, completely.

Use Anonibet at your own risk! Because winning bettors at Anonibet are always either being limited, confiscated their funds, directed false accusations, even if they admit they've been arbitraging. (Do you really believe that Anonibet doesn't know they provide arbitraging opportunity? Ask yourselves.)

Final notes: As CEO of Coaex Precious Metals, I should make a clarification to avoid possible accusations towards us.
a) I had never used or have been using my customers' funds at betting. I always use my personal funds and my investors' funds and my investors are always aware of my betting activities, beforehand. My investors consist of people who doesn't have prior betting experience nor have they got an account at Anonibet, so far I know. This is just an irrelevant information but I'm providing, just in case.
b) All of my investors are paid, as of now.
c) I admit that I had used the advantage of arbitrage betting (also known as surebets). I can provide how one can make surebets at Anonibet and other bookies.
d) Anonibet is scam and/or a ponzi scheme, unless proved otherwise.

Possible question to be asked: In which cases, do you think there might be a bonus abuse?
My Answer: If there are odds like 1.90 - 1.90 in a 2-way event at Anonibet and if the bettor bets on each of them while using 10% bonus, this is a clear abuse. However, I should note that I had never bet, as such.

Possible Mr. Hoshford reaction: You abused us, motherfucka!
Me: Seriously? -_-

Anonibet is online since 2011, the FIRST Bitcoin sportsbook. We have been serving several thousands of satisfied customers. You abused our bonus this is why we have cancelled your bonus winnings only. We have not deducted anything from your normal deposit winnings.

www.anonibet.com
Totally Anonymous Account, Transfer Bitcoins safely without any fees
Soccer, Basketball, American Football, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Baseball, Motorsport, Volleyball, Boxing, Fighting Sports and more...
http://twitter.com/Anonibet
http://anonibet.blogspot.com/
coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 08:26:14 AM
 #1524

Your bonus offer seems to good to be true, so I'm hoping for some clarification.

An example: I deposit 1000 mBTC, so have 1100 mBTC to bet. I go to NBA where most point spreads are 1.90, and bet it all.

If it wins I have 1990 mBTC balance

This provides effective odds of 1.99 on NBA point spreads. Correct?


Not correct. This provides effective odds of 2.09 and "we" all know it. There is also a great chance of being scammed by Anonibet with this method.
Recently, they have confiscated ~65 BTC of me for a week and later on, they sent me the amount by deducting 5.076 BTC, claiming "bonus abuse" and they haven't provided justification for this.
They are hiding themselves under the rule of 5.08.
We had notified Anonibet that we will apply an interest rate of 0.5% for each day that is not justified of 5.076 BTC deduction. I had notified Mr. Hoshford, CEO of Anonibet, directly but I don't think he will make a justification.

The case will be reported to SBR, at first, then relevant news channels.

We strongly believe that 10% deposit bonus is just a clever scheme for abusing bettors, also a way to hurt other bookies, unless other bookies cover against bettors or sell the bets in another venue.

In this regard, Anonibet should either provide detailed explanation of bonus abuse with each possible case scenario or remove the bonus promotion, completely.

Use Anonibet at your own risk! Because winning bettors at Anonibet are always either being limited, confiscated their funds, directed false accusations, even if they admit they've been arbitraging. (Do you really believe that Anonibet doesn't know they provide arbitraging opportunity? Ask yourselves.)

Final notes: As CEO of Coaex Precious Metals, I should make a clarification to avoid possible accusations towards us.
a) I had never used or have been using my customers' funds at betting. I always use my personal funds and my investors' funds and my investors are always aware of my betting activities, beforehand. My investors consist of people who doesn't have prior betting experience nor have they got an account at Anonibet, so far I know. This is just an irrelevant information but I'm providing, just in case.
b) All of my investors are paid, as of now.
c) I admit that I had used the advantage of arbitrage betting (also known as surebets). I can provide how one can make surebets at Anonibet and other bookies.
d) Anonibet is scam and/or a ponzi scheme, unless proved otherwise.

Possible question to be asked: In which cases, do you think there might be a bonus abuse?
My Answer: If there are odds like 1.90 - 1.90 in a 2-way event at Anonibet and if the bettor bets on each of them while using 10% bonus, this is a clear abuse. However, I should note that I had never bet, as such.

Possible Mr. Hoshford reaction: You abused us, motherfucka!
Me: Seriously? -_-

Anonibet is online since 2011, the FIRST Bitcoin sportsbook. We have been serving several thousands of satisfied customers. You abused our bonus this is why we have cancelled your bonus winnings only. We have not deducted anything from your normal deposit winnings.


Prove it publicly or be deemed as a scammer. I've already given you the chance to resolve it, internally but you failed to respond to my calls. I'm sorry but I warned you and then, you told me that I'm threatening you, bla bla bla. Let me tell you, once more.. I do not threaten - I do apply!
Justify how I abuse your bonus with every detail. It will also help me not to repeat it again.

However, I'm sure that you have no proof of this so called abuse. That's why I'm so confident of myself.
Since when arbitraging is deemed to be an abuse? Tell me.
You even don't have any detailed explanation about how not to abuse the deposit bonus. I have followed all the terms and conditions specified and still been accusing by you due to your nonsense practices. That's unfair.
The rule 5.08 you specified is where your scamming activity starts and you know that.

Let's see Rule 5.08: In cases of abuse by players, the Deposit Bonus and its winnings will be cancelled without explanation. Anonibet reserves the right to change the promotion rules and to terminate the promotion if it deems it necessary.

In cases of? Where are these cases? I can't see..
Without explanation? Yeah, yeah, you can fool some kids with that.


Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
goxcraft
Sr. Member
****
Online Online

Activity: 250



View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 08:50:53 AM
 #1525

Every time they SCAM people, their usual super-argument is:

Quote
Anonibet is online since 2011, the FIRST Bitcoin sportsbook. We have been serving several thousands of satisfied customers.

Ridiculous

coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 09:10:59 AM
 #1526


Anonibet is online since 2011, the FIRST Bitcoin sportsbook. We have been serving several thousands of satisfied customers. You abused our bonus this is why we have cancelled your bonus winnings only. We have not deducted anything from your normal deposit winnings.


Coaex Precious Metals is online since Jan, 2014, the FIRST Bullion Dealer in Turkey accepting Bitcoin and major cryptocoins including but not limited to Litecoin, Darkcoin, Dogecoin, Feathercoin and Unobtanium. We have been serving hundreds of satisfied customers worldwide, also working with cryptocoin enthusiasts and industry leaders, cooperatively to develop sustainable projects. We have a 100% positive feedback in various places. We always refund our customers or replace their products in case of their dissatisfactions and try to provide better products and services in a fair manner and we expect the same fair manner from where we get products and services with Bitcoin!

You abused us and didn't provide a justification, this is why I'm going to public. You have an outstanding debt of 5.076 BTC + daily interest rate of 0.5% since 10th of February, 2015. You better be hurry and refund my hard earned funds and stop scamming people.

We have zero tolerance to companies like Anonibet.

Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
damakhun
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 30


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 09:13:26 AM
 #1527

Scouts honor this was no set up, I had no idea the next post would follow. I'm the main moderator of the sports betting subforum of large gambling forum 2+2, and I run a semi-popular information site about fiat currency sportsbooks and I am expanding to add one about bitcoin.

When digging on Anonibet the past couple days for my review, the bonus jumped out as being this exact scenrio that just showed up. There is no clear definition of what bonus abuse is. Who in the world with a clue wouldn't take maximum advantage of the bonus offered to them. This is what I meant when asked, if someone uses your bonus to only bet NBA point spreads at effective odds 1.99, repeats and makes no other bets when not having a bonus is this bonus abuse? If so, then if they made only half their bets this way is that bonus abuse? Is it 25%, 10% what is the threshold? Your site has terms where it can be left to your discretion whose winnings to take after the fact. It creates the scenario where can attract squares that just bet your horrible odds. Then those who take advantage of the bonus and are smart, if they run bad you can profit. If they run good you can call it bonus abuse? This is Costa Rica scam book like terms. If your site truly is serious and as reputable as you attempt to convey, you should consider changing the bonus terms and rules, so that policies are transparent and fair.

coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 09:19:30 AM
 #1528

Scouts honor this was no set up, I had no idea the next post would follow. I'm the main moderator of the sports betting subforum of large gambling forum 2+2, and I run a semi-popular information site about fiat currency sportsbooks and I am expanding to add one about bitcoin.

When digging on Anonibet the past couple days for my review, the bonus jumped out as being this exact scenrio that just showed up. There is no clear definition of what bonus abuse is. Who in the world with a clue wouldn't take maximum advantage of the bonus offered to them. This is what I meant when asked, if someone uses your bonus to only bet NBA point spreads at effective odds 1.99, repeats and makes no other bets when not having a bonus is this bonus abuse? If so, then if they made only half their bets this way is that bonus abuse? Is it 25%, 10% what is the threshold? Your site has terms where it can be left to your discretion whose winnings to take after the fact. It creates the scenario where can attract squares that just bet your horrible odds. Then those who take advantage of the bonus and are smart, if they run bad you can profit. If they run good you can call it bonus abuse? This is Costa Rica scam book like terms. If your site truly is serious and as reputable as you attempt to convey, you should consider changing the bonus terms and rules, so that policies are transparent and fair.



NBA point spreads are not favorable for a surebettor. Make your calculations for odds below 1.10 at Anonibet and you can find arbs up to 8% elsewhere.
Also, if you couldn't see that huge arbitrage opportunity at a first glance, I advise you to stop making effort for betting and study some math, especially equations with 2/3 unknowns.

Possible arbitrages between Anonibet and DirectBet/Nitrogen

Under/Over Bets: U/O 0.5 and 5.5 (Anonibet & Directbet) - arbs around 6%
Double Chance: Check 3-way Football events and find favorites around 1.30 - 1.50 odds range at Anonibet. Check their Double Chance odds at Anonibet and Outsider odds at Nitrogen and DirectBet. arbs around 4-8%
NBA: You can find arbs from 4% up to 7% with odds fluctuations in Nitrogen through the start of the event.

Pre-match betting more than 8 hours before the start of the event is not recommended due to low, immature pre-match odds.


Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
damakhun
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 30


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 10:59:33 AM
 #1529

You are preaching to the choir on the math. The fact you can arb with that bonus goes without saying. Seeing the bonus though I quickly figured this is like betting even money on their own markets, effective overround of 100%. Then noticed they use 1.90 at best on the 2-way markets that I looked at first. But still that's only a 0.50% advantage. If it was a onetime offer with with multi-account prevention I could swallow this. But the fact they fact they give you a bonus on every single deposit, no bookmaker could sustain risk management on that, and no smart player would ever bet their odds not having a bonus. This creates the situation where the site is left deciding after the fact what is bonus abuse and what is not. So my first glance opinion is that this is a scary site to bet at for players with a clue. My post was looking for specific examples of what constitutes bonus abuse (that part wasn't replied to) and if I got the example correct or not.
tjh11
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 255


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
 #1530

Scouts honor this was no set up, I had no idea the next post would follow. I'm the main moderator of the sports betting subforum of large gambling forum 2+2, and I run a semi-popular information site about fiat currency sportsbooks and I am expanding to add one about bitcoin.

When digging on Anonibet the past couple days for my review, the bonus jumped out as being this exact scenrio that just showed up. There is no clear definition of what bonus abuse is. Who in the world with a clue wouldn't take maximum advantage of the bonus offered to them. This is what I meant when asked, if someone uses your bonus to only bet NBA point spreads at effective odds 1.99, repeats and makes no other bets when not having a bonus is this bonus abuse? If so, then if they made only half their bets this way is that bonus abuse? Is it 25%, 10% what is the threshold? Your site has terms where it can be left to your discretion whose winnings to take after the fact. It creates the scenario where can attract squares that just bet your horrible odds. Then those who take advantage of the bonus and are smart, if they run bad you can profit. If they run good you can call it bonus abuse? This is Costa Rica scam book like terms. If your site truly is serious and as reputable as you attempt to convey, you should consider changing the bonus terms and rules, so that policies are transparent and fair.



NBA point spreads are not favorable for a surebettor. Make your calculations for odds below 1.10 at Anonibet and you can find arbs up to 8% elsewhere.
Also, if you couldn't see that huge arbitrage opportunity at a first glance, I advise you to stop making effort for betting and study some math, especially equations with 2/3 unknowns.

Possible arbitrages between Anonibet and DirectBet/Nitrogen

Under/Over Bets: U/O 0.5 and 5.5 (Anonibet & Directbet) - arbs around 6%
Double Chance: Check 3-way Football events and find favorites around 1.30 - 1.50 odds range at Anonibet. Check their Double Chance odds at Anonibet and Outsider odds at Nitrogen and DirectBet. arbs around 4-8%
NBA: You can find arbs from 4% up to 7% with odds fluctuations in Nitrogen through the start of the event.

Pre-match betting more than 8 hours before the start of the event is not recommended due to low, immature pre-match odds.


I'm checking this out right now dude!  That's cool, I never thought there were many sports betting arbitrage opportunities in the bitcoin world.
coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 11:29:22 AM
 #1531

You are preaching to the choir on the math. The fact you can arb with that bonus goes without saying. Seeing the bonus though I quickly figured this is like betting even money on their own markets, effective overround of 100%. Then noticed they use 1.90 at best on the 2-way markets that I looked at first. But still that's only a 0.50% advantage. If it was a onetime offer with with multi-account prevention I could swallow this. But the fact they fact they give you a bonus on every single deposit, no bookmaker could sustain risk management on that, and no smart player would ever bet their odds not having a bonus. This creates the situation where the site is left deciding after the fact what is bonus abuse and what is not. So my first glance opinion is that this is a scary site to bet at for players with a clue. My post was looking for specific examples of what constitutes bonus abuse (that part wasn't replied to) and if I got the example correct or not.

Let me tell you with an example.
Event: Anderlecht vs KAA Gent

https://www.anonibet.com/match.aspx?gm_id=907904
http://www.directbet.eu/Event.cshtml?EventID=27361017

Anonibet Under 5.5: 1.02
Directbet Over 5.5: 20

Max. Payout for the event at Anonibet : 2100 mBTC

1) Open https://en.surebet.com/calculator
2) Enter odds 1.122 (which we multiply 1.02 x 1.10 - that comes from deposit bonus) and 20, respectively. You have a 6.24% surebet now!
3) Enter 2174.32 for total stake.
You'll see the distribution of your stake as 2058.82 and 115.50, respectively.

4) Now, divide each of these stakes with 1.10 and you have 1871.65 and 105 mBTC to bet. Your total cost for this event is : 1976.65 mBTC, Deposit these amounts to relevant bookies and you have a surebet.
5) Let's see the payout.

If the event outcome is under 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Anonibet. (1912.83 mBTC + 187.165 mBTC Bonus)
If the event outcome is over 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Directbet.

Repeat the procedure for the future events until you lose at Anonibet for profit taking and pray for the outsider. You can also adjust your stake unevenly based on your guess. Since they have been using FIFO method, you will eventually take profit. For further reading: http://anonibet.tumblr.com/post/97885053360/anonibet-10-instant-deposit-bonus

For tips: 19EmupYAX8kWaj2uhoFMNAWgTiNCNi1k7S
I'll be waiting for Mr. Hoshford's tip, especially Smiley

Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
tjh11
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 255


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 11:41:31 AM
 #1532

You are preaching to the choir on the math. The fact you can arb with that bonus goes without saying. Seeing the bonus though I quickly figured this is like betting even money on their own markets, effective overround of 100%. Then noticed they use 1.90 at best on the 2-way markets that I looked at first. But still that's only a 0.50% advantage. If it was a onetime offer with with multi-account prevention I could swallow this. But the fact they fact they give you a bonus on every single deposit, no bookmaker could sustain risk management on that, and no smart player would ever bet their odds not having a bonus. This creates the situation where the site is left deciding after the fact what is bonus abuse and what is not. So my first glance opinion is that this is a scary site to bet at for players with a clue. My post was looking for specific examples of what constitutes bonus abuse (that part wasn't replied to) and if I got the example correct or not.

Let me tell you with an example.
Event: Anderlecht vs KAA Gent

https://www.anonibet.com/match.aspx?gm_id=907904
http://www.directbet.eu/Event.cshtml?EventID=27361017

Anonibet Under 5.5: 1.02
Directbet Over 5.5: 20

Max. Payout for the event at Anonibet : 2100 mBTC

1) Open https://en.surebet.com/calculator
2) Enter odds 1.122 (which we multiply 1.02 x 1.10 - that comes from deposit bonus) and 20, respectively. You have a 6.24% surebet now!
3) Enter 2174.32 for total stake.
You'll see the distribution of your stake as 2058.82 and 115.50, respectively.

4) Now, divide each of these stakes with 1.10 and you have 1871.65 and 105 mBTC to bet. Your total cost for this event is : 1976.65 mBTC, Deposit these amounts to relevant bookies and you have a surebet.
5) Let's see the payout.

If the event outcome is under 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Anonibet. (1912.83 mBTC + 187.165 mBTC Bonus)
If the event outcome is over 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Directbet.

Repeat the procedure for the future events until you lose at Anonibet for profit taking. Since they have been using FIFO method, you will eventually take profit. For further reading: http://anonibet.tumblr.com/post/97885053360/anonibet-10-instant-deposit-bonus

For tips: 19EmupYAX8kWaj2uhoFMNAWgTiNCNi1k7S
I'll be waiting for Mr. Hoshford's tip, especially Smiley


Dude that's awesome!  Too bad they'll probably take it down now.
damakhun
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 30


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 12:22:04 PM
 #1533

Preaching to choir I meant I understand the simple math and know how to calculate stakes and value of an arb  ("surebet"). That topic distracts from the issue though of having subjective terms that allow them to decide which bonus bets are valid, and which are not, after the fact. As far as I know bonus abuse is not a term defined on their website. Optimal strategy is to only bet at Anonibet when have bonus cash (or extremely rare times they might otherwise have the best odds without). I suspect they would call this abuse. So where is the line drawn? If there is no set line, huge advantage to book, high risk site for players. Not much other way to slice it.
tjh11
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 255


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
 #1534

Preaching to choir I meant I understand the simple math and know how to calculate stakes and value of an arb  ("surebet"). That topic distracts from the issue though of having subjective terms that allow them to decide which bonus bets are valid, and which are not, after the fact. As far as I know bonus abuse is not a term defined on their website. Optimal strategy is to only bet at Anonibet when have bonus cash (or extremely rare times they might otherwise have the best odds without). I suspect they would call this abuse. So where is the line drawn? If there is no set line, huge advantage to book, high risk site for players. Not much other way to slice it.
Yeah I'm definitely not going to play at Anonibet after hearing what goes on there.  I would expect a better response from them then just "We've been around since 2011"

Unbelievable.
coaex
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 562


@coaex - LBMA certified Gold & Silver


View Profile WWW
February 12, 2015, 12:33:25 PM
 #1535

Preaching to choir I meant I understand the simple math and know how to calculate stakes and value of an arb  ("surebet"). That topic distracts from the issue though of having subjective terms that allow them to decide which bonus bets are valid, and which are not, after the fact. As far as I know bonus abuse is not a term defined on their website. Optimal strategy is to only bet at Anonibet when have bonus cash (or extremely rare times they might otherwise have the best odds without). I suspect they would call this abuse. So where is the line drawn? If there is no set line, huge advantage to book, high risk site for players. Not much other way to slice it.

I was just messing around, buddy. Why so serious? Smiley
Anyway, Anonibet is here since 2011 but have at least 1 unsatisfied customer, now. Also you are telling the right thing. I agree with you. That uncertainty causes problems like that. Actually, I don't care much about that 5 BTC but it has a symbolic meaning.
I think I did the right thing.
Quote of the day: Some men just want to watch the world burn

Coaex Precious Metals - Cryptocoin Gold and Silver Bullion
ONLYfree
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 952


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 10:48:29 PM
 #1536

Hello,

are you have problems with deposit at this time? Always getting balance nearly instant, now its stuck somewhere.

-2: -1 / +0
Warning: Trade with extreme caution!
tonyq
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 800


View Profile
February 12, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
 #1537

Just got a reply at last!
Thanks.
And yet a week later I still don't have my affiliate payment.
I've taken your banner off of my site.
You guys are something else.
 Huh
info@anonibet.com
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 693


anonibet.com


View Profile WWW
February 13, 2015, 02:28:40 PM
 #1538

Dear Customers,

We do not enter into this kind of discussion, however I would like to underline few points.

1. Yes, we are proud to be the first Bitcoin bookmaker to be launched in 2011, when only few people knew about Bitcoin. The next Bitcoin sportsbook was launched 1 year after us.

2. Michael Hoshford is NOT CEO of Anonibet. In fact Anonibet does not have a CEO. We have 35 employees in total for the time being and we are actually hiring more people to grow further Anonibet.

3. The Deposit Bonus we are giving can be subject to abuse, we are perfectly aware of it. In fact we launched the Deposit Bonus in order to encourage NON-Bitcoin punters to switch to Bitcoin. We are fervent believers of Bitcoin, and we are putting all our efforts to promote it anywhere anytime. Unfortunately, some people pretending being from Bitcoin community are abusing our Deposit Bonus by placing 300 single bets per day on odds as little as 1.01 in order to make some extra Bitcoins. Bonus hunters only job is to place bets all day long to make few Bitcoins, this is a clear abuse and it is our right to cancel their bonus and bonus winnings (only).

4. These abusers will not stop Anonibet efforts to promote Bitcoin to NON-Bitcoin communities. We will introduce new terms and conditions in order to prevent them in the near future.


www.anonibet.com
Totally Anonymous Account, Transfer Bitcoins safely without any fees
Soccer, Basketball, American Football, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Baseball, Motorsport, Volleyball, Boxing, Fighting Sports and more...
http://twitter.com/Anonibet
http://anonibet.blogspot.com/
oloofa
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 169


View Profile
February 13, 2015, 06:39:11 PM
 #1539

35 people and you can't "fix" your affiliate program.

open a position for a decent IT guy if it is the truth
Gruxon
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 19


View Profile
February 13, 2015, 11:41:51 PM
 #1540

I agree with users who mention that the terms of the bonus should be more clear. It is something that would save trouble for everyone, users and Anonibet.

Let me tell you with an example.
Event: Anderlecht vs KAA Gent

https://www.anonibet.com/match.aspx?gm_id=907904
http://www.directbet.eu/Event.cshtml?EventID=27361017

Anonibet Under 5.5: 1.02
Directbet Over 5.5: 20

Max. Payout for the event at Anonibet : 2100 mBTC

1) Open https://en.surebet.com/calculator
2) Enter odds 1.122 (which we multiply 1.02 x 1.10 - that comes from deposit bonus) and 20, respectively. You have a 6.24% surebet now!
3) Enter 2174.32 for total stake.
You'll see the distribution of your stake as 2058.82 and 115.50, respectively.

4) Now, divide each of these stakes with 1.10 and you have 1871.65 and 105 mBTC to bet. Your total cost for this event is : 1976.65 mBTC, Deposit these amounts to relevant bookies and you have a surebet.
5) Let's see the payout.

If the event outcome is under 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Anonibet. (1912.83 mBTC + 187.165 mBTC Bonus)
If the event outcome is over 5.5, we will have 2100 mBTC from Directbet.

That's not a surebet, I would even say that it is almost impossible to find one surebet between sportbooks of bitcoin.
If the bet cost 1976.65 mBTC and if you win the bet in Anonibet, you don´t have 2100 mBTC, you have 1912.83 mBTC (-63,82 mBtc of the bet size), the bonus does not belong to the real balance, is just a bonus, you can´t withdraw the bonus.

3. The Deposit Bonus we are giving can be subject to abuse, we are perfectly aware of it. In fact we launched the Deposit Bonus in order to encourage NON-Bitcoin punters to switch to Bitcoin. We are fervent believers of Bitcoin, and we are putting all our efforts to promote it anywhere anytime. Unfortunately, some people pretending being from Bitcoin community are abusing our Deposit Bonus by placing 300 single bets per day on odds as little as 1.01 in order to make some extra Bitcoins. Bonus hunters only job is to place bets all day long to make few Bitcoins, this is a clear abuse and it is our right to cancel their bonus and bonus winnings (only).

4. These abusers will not stop Anonibet efforts to promote Bitcoin to NON-Bitcoin communities. We will introduce new terms and conditions in order to prevent them in the near future.


Update the terms of the bonus is best that could be done, I repeat, is the best for users and the sportbook, could mention the minimum odds and how many times the bonus can be used for each deposit. For example, if you say, "the bonus must be played with odds greater to X" or "bonus can be used X number of times in the same deposit" would be quite good.
Clearly, if someone performs many bets per day at odds 1.01 or similar, is an abuse, but if you do not clear up in the terms of the bonus, a user can rightly said that the rules are not clear.
Pages: « 1 ... 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 [77] 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!