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September 17, 2014, 05:31:35 PM
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I bought up some NLG in the 800s, not much only 5k. Should I wait until 600s to buy again... this market is confusing me but I just want to get as much NLG as I can for best price.

There are only a few real sellorders (total 4 BTC) from 815 up to 1020 sat atm. Maybe someone is trying to let people sell cheap by driving the price down?. Most sellorders are in the lowest part.

I don't know what you can do best now, wait or buy..

Whale tactic to put big sell orders and then forces others to sell under the price. With miners from multipools will just put orders at lowest level. Make no mistake this coin is better then current value.
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September 17, 2014, 05:50:06 PM
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I bought up some NLG in the 800s, not much only 5k. Should I wait until 600s to buy again... this market is confusing me but I just want to get as much NLG as I can for best price.

There are only a few real sellorders (total 4 BTC) from 815 up to 1020 sat atm. Maybe someone is trying to let people sell cheap by driving the price down?. Most sellorders are in the lowest part.

I don't know what you can do best now, wait or buy..

Whale tactic to put big sell orders and then forces others to sell under the price. With miners from multipools will just put orders at lowest level. Make no mistake this coin is better then current value.

^ This.  Someone is forcing the price down to get it to a point where they want to buy back in.

If you're wondering when you should buy in, buy in a little at a time.  1000 here, 1000 there.  Just keep buying.  You won't regret it later.

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^ This.  Someone is forcing the price down to get it to a point where they want to buy back in.

If you're wondering when you should buy in, buy in a little at a time.  1000 here, 1000 there.  Just keep buying.  You won't regret it later.

-Fuse

I think next jump can be huge if the 15+ BTC buy orders return. We'll see. In about 9 days or so Digishield is planned, I believe.

Cheap BTC by the way. BTC tanking today.
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September 17, 2014, 06:27:53 PM
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Is there any api where you can create NLG wallets and sent withdraws with? (Dont want to make a deamon, something like the blockchain.info api)

Need it for a new project.

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September 17, 2014, 07:10:56 PM
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By not doing anything against the mining-pools, Guldencoins accepts to have its value diminished in 10 days time. Now we are in the low 750's.
If it takes another 9 days for DigiShield to be implemented, by that time NLG's rising star will have become a flickering candlelight. Sad and unnecessary imho.
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September 17, 2014, 07:38:04 PM
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By not doing anything against the mining-pools, Guldencoins accepts to have its value diminished in 10 days time. Now we are in the low 750's.
If it takes another 9 days for DigiShield to be implemented, by that time NLG's rising star will have become a flickering candlelight. Sad and unnecessary imho.

No way bro.

There is no buy support at this level any more. If you read back you will find many messages of community members talking about where they think the value belongs. After the bubble there is silence now, Digishield was unforseen. It is just a matter of time healthy support come back.

Also, with a lower value we are not interesting for multipools anymore. Before we hit the road again we go with some kind of Digishield.

https://www.guldenweb.com - Het laatste nieuws over Gulden
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September 17, 2014, 07:51:50 PM
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By not doing anything against the mining-pools, Guldencoins accepts to have its value diminished in 10 days time. Now we are in the low 750's.
If it takes another 9 days for DigiShield to be implemented, by that time NLG's rising star will have become a flickering candlelight. Sad and unnecessary imho.

I think devs can't rush changes and multipool has agreed not to push hash up too much. The main reason price is coming down is because all new things being delayed until digishield, shortsighted people and multipool miners will dump and buyers know they can get cheaper if they just let people sell.

Community is too strong to let price go to 200 and if you saw how fast price went up first time it can happen a 2nd and 3rd...

Also low price is good for stable block times and multipools will switch less to coin if price is low.
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September 17, 2014, 07:53:03 PM
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Where there is a whale, there will also come a pump again. Only question is when. I am not selling anything anymore. Just waiting to buy again.
Bought already again at 800 levels, so that is fine with me.
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September 17, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
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By not doing anything against the mining-pools, Guldencoins accepts to have its value diminished in 10 days time. Now we are in the low 750's.
If it takes another 9 days for DigiShield to be implemented, by that time NLG's rising star will have become a flickering candlelight. Sad and unnecessary imho.

No way bro.

There is no buy support at this level any more. If you read back you will find many messages of community members talking about where they think the value belongs. After the bubble there is silence now, Digishield was unforseen. It is just a matter of time healthy support come back.

Also, with a lower value we are not interesting for multipools anymore. Before we hit the road again we go with some kind of Digishield.

Firstly- Digithusiast... easy, mate.  No need to spread FUD regarding price and multipool pressure causing NLG to bottom out.  The price is down, yes.  But it's up from 100-150.  That needs to be kept in mind.  When we drop below 100, I'll start getting worried.  Until then, it's not something people should freak out about.

Secondly- Just to touch on what Jero said- he is correct.  With one exception.  Digishield was not unforeseen.  Back in late June, the suggestion of Digishield was made.  I believe by another member of the CripToe team, 24Kilo.  There was some chatter about it before, but Kilo was very clear in his warnings about needing to add Digishield.  I'm not saying this as an "I told you so" moment, but rather that this has been a discussion in the past.  It wasn't until now that there was irrefutable proof that it was an absolute necessity.  So while it probably should have been on the roadmap a little sooner, it's on the roadmap now and that's all that matters.

On the subject of Digishield:

For those of you who are worried about how long it will take to update a coin to Digishield, or how involved the process is, let me say this from experience- the coding is all of about 50 lines of additional code that's added to the source.  It can be as simple as a copy/paste from another coin's source.  Of course it needs to be tested and such, but the real struggle is getting everyone to update once the code is released.  Once the team has a date for release, everyone here should do everything they can to let people know to update their wallets.  If code is put in place to limit wallet connections to only versions that use the new Digishield code then people will not be able to sync their wallets until they update.  Additional code can be added to notify the user of an update as well.  Many coins have done this in the past, and it works well.

-Fuse

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September 17, 2014, 08:14:00 PM
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 Additional code can be added to notify the user of an update as well.  Many coins have done this in the past, and it works well.

-Fuse

I saw on the forum a message from Rijk that there is a notifier already implemented in the wallet. Don't know how it works, but it seems to be there.
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September 17, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
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 Additional code can be added to notify the user of an update as well.  Many coins have done this in the past, and it works well.

-Fuse

I saw on the forum a message from Rijk that there is a notifier already implemented in the wallet. Don't know how it works, but it seems to be there.

Perfect.  Add the version limiting/banning code, and you have a successful rollout.  In fact, at that point, all the connections on the seeds page would be the correct version.

I'm excited.  I know it's not set in stone, but I'm looking forward to any changes the devs make.

-Fuse

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September 17, 2014, 08:19:26 PM
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Here we go, my Guldencoin news- and tutorial website: http://www.projectgulden.nl

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September 17, 2014, 08:47:13 PM
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Here we go, my Guldencoin news- and tutorial website: http://www.projectgulden.nl



Looks good, my Dutch is no good but things like this you don't see happening for other coins. Future is bright!
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September 17, 2014, 09:22:31 PM
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I also have something else in the works regarding merchants and the Coinbase-petition. No promises of course Cheesy
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September 17, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
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Here we go, my Guldencoin news- and tutorial website: http://www.projectgulden.nl



Looks good. Lots of quality info  Grin. Donated some coins.
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September 17, 2014, 10:29:10 PM
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Looks good. Lots of quality info  Grin. Donated some coins.

Much appreciated, thank you.
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September 17, 2014, 10:56:20 PM
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Looks good. Lots of quality info  Grin. Donated some coins.

Much appreciated, thank you.

Still no confirmations yet.
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September 17, 2014, 11:09:31 PM
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Looks good. Lots of quality info  Grin. Donated some coins.

Much appreciated, thank you.

Still no confirmations yet.

Should have 1 now.  We just cracked a block after an hour of delay.

-Fuse

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September 18, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
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Nice. See no mistake here.
My results were about the same in the post on September 08, 2014, 11:22:02 AM. I screen scraped the data from the chainexplorer with timezone +2.00 and calculated the % against the average found blocks per day. You took the actual found blocks to calculate the %. That's more accurate.

I like to have a site like https://blockchain.info/pools.
And ... a charts with the longest time between blocks per day. I'm willing to donate to the one that finds that block.

Added a few additional SQL queries to the report.  Let me know if this is what you're looking for.  Cheers  --Mark

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|         NLG blocks mined per day         |  longest block gap of the day |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
|   date  | total # |  Gf7wGA # | Gf7wGA % |   block   |        gap        |
+---------+---------+-----------+----------+-----------+-------------------+
| Sept 01 |   573   |    333    |  58.12%  |   110053  |     37 minutes    |
| Sept 02 |   616   |    429    |  69.64%  |   110424  |     37 minutes    |
| Sept 03 |   604   |    448    |  74.17%  |   111317  |     44 minutes    |
| Sept 04 |   577   |    503    |  87.18%  |   111860  |     50 minutes    |
| Sept 05 |   595   |    517    |  86.89%  |   112528  |    147 minutes    |
| Sept 06 |   526   |    473    |  89.92%  |   112672  |    153 minutes    |
| Sept 07 |   593   |    518    |  87.35%  |   113430  |     81 minutes    |
| Sept 08 |   572   |    485    |  84.79%  |   114282  |     79 minutes    |
| Sept 09 |   574   |    443    |  77.18%  |   114427  |     43 minutes    |
| Sept 10 |   597   |    536    |  89.78%  |   115055  |    111 minutes    |
| Sept 11 |   552   |    444    |  80.43%  |   115997  |     77 minutes    |
| Sept 12 |   596   |    480    |  80.54%  |   116501  |     64 minutes    |
| Sept 13 |   524   |    450    |  85.88%  |   116956  |    151 minutes    |
| Sept 14 |   603   |    511    |  84.74%  |   117684  |    107 minutes    |
| Sept 15 |   589   |    555    |  94.23%  |   117701  |    143 minutes    |
| Sept 16 |   572   |    542    |  94.76%  |   118414  |    278 minutes    |
| Sept 17 |   543   |    505    |  93.00%  |   119148  |    103 minutes    |
| Sept 18 |    87   |     85    |  97.70%  |   119446  |     10 minutes    |
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September 18, 2014, 07:14:59 AM
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Edited for Brevity...

Secondly- Just to touch on what Jero said- he is correct.  With one exception.  Digishield was not unforeseen.  Back in late June, the suggestion of Digishield was made.  I believe by another member of the CripToe team, 24Kilo.  There was some chatter about it before, but Kilo was very clear in his warnings about needing to add Digishield.  I'm not saying this as an "I told you so" moment, but rather that this has been a discussion in the past.  It wasn't until now that there was irrefutable proof that it was an absolute necessity.  So while it probably should have been on the roadmap a little sooner, it's on the roadmap now and that's all that matters.

-Fuse

Since Fuse referred to my early concerns regarding diff swings and KGW... I will weigh in on the subject.

I no longer necessarily support the implementation of DigiShield(this will be news to Fuse as I have not spoken to him about this yet) because I don't think that it is the best solution. Let me explain...

I make a policy to not cross post regarding other coins that I hold an interest in... but I am going to make exception as I believe it would behoove the dev team to spend some time reading and researching the diff algo of Bitmark(BTM) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=660544.0

BTM launched as scrypt-clone using the latest Bitcoin code base by a very, very talented and modest coder with some very clever ideas. And one of those ideas was a very interesting take on difficulty retargeting algos.

The short version is this - BTM has a 120 second block time with a retarget of 720 blocks(so approx. every 24 hours) but the twist is that the block maturity is 720 blocks. This effectively removes multipools with their mine and dump business plan from mining BTM since it takes a complete difficulty cycle before mined coins can be redeemed and put on the market.

So let's make this practical... say BTM has a diff of 150... a multipool moves in with 4x the hash-rate ramping up the diff to 600... then leaves with the coin and the nethash returns to pre-multipool level... this means that it will take 4x as long to mine through this 600 diff set of 720 blocks... which means that the multipool may have to wait for 4 days before the coins are in the multipool wallet and able to be put on the exchange... because no coins will be confirmed until all the 600 diff blocks are mined and the diff retargets for the next 720 blocks... this means that multipool cannot capitalise on the exchange rate that triggered the multipool to mine the coin in the first place... so multipools are essentially unable to mine BTM profitably and leave the coin alone.

Here is a quote from Mark regarding his reason for using this retarget algo opposed to using KGW, Digishield or other retarget algo that change the diff with every block...

Good, our friend intelle is back, they have jumped on and off the network since day three I think.

Difficulty, revisited

Satoshi told us, and we have quoted before:

In the absence of a market to establish the price, NewLibertyStandard's estimate based on production cost is a good guess and a helpful service (thanks).  The price of any commodity tends to gravitate toward the production cost.  If the price is below cost, then production slows down.  If the price is above cost, profit can be made by generating and selling more.  At the same time, the increased production would increase the difficulty, pushing the cost of generating towards the price.

now what has happened with other currencies, is that they have changed the special formula from "If the price is below cost, then production slows down."

through short diff changes and things like kgw/dgw they have changed it to "If the price is below cost, then production cost falls"

which has killed them, or made it hard for them to survive

whereas with us we have the special formula from satoshi, on sunday I wrote, in slack:

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so maybe what follows is only a temporary alignment for a day, or two max, followed by a slow/fast cycle like before going from 100-400 on diff, and double the price range of the last on market
for maybe 2 weeks
through which time volume on both could intensify, and close the large spread

so at diff 400, the network may quarter, slowing production down, giving the market a time to adjust, and making our btm more scarce, and thus more valuable

so the adjustment goes up, not down, on market - as long as we earn it

and with that, our network changes difficulty to just over 400, and we enter this phase.

Let this be a lesson to trust those before, and reinforce our decision to not change how our difficulty works.

So the short version is that KGW,etc cause the cost of production of a coin to fall when the difficulty rises... thus making coins cheaper to produce... when what we really want is not for the cost of production of coins to drop, but for the production of coins to slow.

Allowing the cost of coin production to fall introduces cheap coins to the market pushing down the value of the coin by increasing supply at lower price.

Slowing production of coins makes the coin more scare, increasing demand by reducing supply.

I was extremely skeptical about this retargeting implementaion, but a brief look at the BTM pricing will show this works well, if you spend some time researching and analyzing the data... you will see that the price of BTM has risen every time the diff has jumped sharply because the cost of production has fallen.

While they are huge miners that roll into BTM when the diff falls and chew up the 720 blocks in no time... BTM has remained usable with a maximum block time of about 20 minutes at worst.

Here is a good summary of BTM after the last big diff change...

Difficulty made a very weird jump. It went from 642.97400619 to 160.something (estimate was about 360) to exactly 642.97400619 again.  Huh

Every 720 blocks the difficulty changes. So it will be most profitable to mine the 720 easy blocks, but your payout will be slow as it takes 720 blocks to mature.
So the miners will need to put some hash to it also at the high diff blocks to get their payout. This ensures that miners wont be dumping, but selling of slowly (if they sell, i think alot just hold).

Just another genious thing about this coin. Smiley

When it is slow there is less currency mined too, sometimes 5x less.

BTM Supply: 792240 BTM, and we had planned: 957700 BTM - there is 165460 less BTM in the world

So while the hashrate is slow you find there is no currency released that was just mined, and no new currency to speak of. 2-3000 BTM per day when the trading volume is 10-20x that is not much.

So the net effect is that BTM is actually being emitted slower than scheduled... again increasing demand because of reduced supply.

My apologies to the community for expounding on another coin, BTM is not a competitor of NLG, BTM and NLG are both very unique coins focused on two very different goals, but have a common thread of being recently launched scrypt coins wanting to embrace ASIC's and the strength and security that ASIC's bring to a network.

A side benefit of the BTM algo is that being based on the BTC/LTC code, it is essentially exploit proof and time-proven the most secure retarget difficulty algo to date.

I am hoping that JohnDec2 will weigh in here as well on this subject.

Thanks for reading,

24Kilo

Edit - I have been mining both NLG and BTM since launch and have a large stake in both. As for NLG... I am one of the 1700...
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