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[Haunebu]

Op is still lurking around the forum observing what's going on here and there which is quite unusual since scammers completely abandon the forum when they are done scamming. He is probably keeping an eye on the updates related to people identifying him as I mentioned in my previous post.

Different interface for the newest site, might be with a new odds provider. One of the Telegram accounts replied back to me when i asked when the bitlogiq site would be in operation, but the site is just a test site only was his reply

What's the point of interacting with those fools? They are scammers which is why none of their words are trustworthy period.

[Alex077]

They will not pay actually, otherwise they would not have included the conditions but would have cleared everyone's payment and talked later. In fact, if they couldn't trick the campaign manager, they wouldn't have done so much damage.

In fact, there is no fault of the campaign manager here.

I saw how well the fake casino did this scam. They used Hatchy a few times to run small review campaigns to gain his trust. After that they may have managed to trick Hatchy into running the sig campaign without any kind of escrow. The manager may have thought that since they had paid him for a few review campaigns, there would be no trouble this time. In the meantime, many people may have deposited in their fake casino and after seeing the profit, the fake casino team wrapped everything up and did an exit scam. Imo, Hatchy actually had no bad intentions here, he was used

[rohang]

They will not pay actually, otherwise they would not have included the conditions but would have cleared everyone's payment and talked later. In fact, if they couldn't trick the campaign manager, they wouldn't have done so much damage.

In fact, there is no fault of the campaign manager here.

I saw how well the fake casino did this scam. They used Hatchy a few times to run small review campaigns to gain his trust. After that they may have managed to trick Hatchy into running the sig campaign without any kind of escrow. The manager may have thought that since they had paid him for a few review campaigns, there would be no trouble this time. In the meantime, many people may have deposited in their fake casino and after seeing the profit, the fake casino team wrapped everything up and did an exit scam. Imo, Hatchy actually had no bad intentions here, he was used

Yea cant really blame him, hard to figure out intentions online. If not him then surely some other CM would have worked with them

Their bonuses were wayy too tempting and honestly people shouldn't have deposited thousands like that. Unfortunate that sites like this can pull shit like that and make so much profit 

[ultrloa]

They will not pay actually, otherwise they would not have included the conditions but would have cleared everyone's payment and talked later. In fact, if they couldn't trick the campaign manager, they wouldn't have done so much damage.

In fact, there is no fault of the campaign manager here.

I saw how well the fake casino did this scam. They used Hatchy a few times to run small review campaigns to gain his trust. After that they may have managed to trick Hatchy into running the sig campaign without any kind of escrow. The manager may have thought that since they had paid him for a few review campaigns, there would be no trouble this time. In the meantime, many people may have deposited in their fake casino and after seeing the profit, the fake casino team wrapped everything up and did an exit scam. Imo, Hatchy actually had no bad intentions here, he was used

This is provably his mistake made here and this situation indicate that campaign managers should not accept a project without having a funds hand to good escrows here in Bitcointalk. This adds security and a little bit credibility of those projects.

Well this is good lesson to learn from him and also its bad to see another casino turn as scam immediately. This could hurt the reputation of other new casino will launch their platform since people might get afraid to trust them due to recent situation done by Betmoco.

[Vaculin]

This is provably his mistake made here and this situation indicate that campaign managers should not accept a project without having a funds hand to good escrows here in Bitcointalk. This adds security and a little bit credibility of those projects.

Well this is good lesson to learn from him and also its bad to see another casino turn as scam immediately. This could hurt the reputation of other new casino will launch their platform since people might get afraid to trust them due to recent situation done by Betmoco.

In some cases, the manager will shoulder the campaign fee if something goes wrong.
I usually see this more with established campaign managers who already have a good reputation here.

But if the manager is transparent from the very beginning about the situation, I’m sure most campaigners will understand. We’re not new here, we’ve seen casinos turn into scams from time to time. It’s unfortunate, but it happens, and honesty from the start really makes a big difference.

[mitchr4]

This is provably his mistake made here and this situation indicate that campaign managers should not accept a project without having a funds hand to good escrows here in Bitcointalk. This adds security and a little bit credibility of those projects.

Well this is good lesson to learn from him and also its bad to see another casino turn as scam immediately. This could hurt the reputation of other new casino will launch their platform since people might get afraid to trust them due to recent situation done by Betmoco.

This is exactly why escrow should be mandatory for all casino campaigns, especially for new platforms with no good reputation. It's unfortunate that Hatchy got manipulated this way, but it's a lesson for everyone. Betmoco planned this carefully. They built trust through smaller campaigns first, then pulled the scam. In the future, both managers and participants need to be more careful and always check if funds are properly escrowed before joining any campaign. Sadly, this incident will make it harder for legitimate new platforms to gain trust, but it's a necessary lesson for the whole community to be more cautious.

[julerz12]

We must also note that user Elro123 has been effective in turning attention away from facts and toward assumptions. We encourage everyone to wait for confirmed information rather than speculation.

What do you expect? You want him to continue trusting your words when that's all you have given? These people are frustrated and for good reason.

Betmoco is not scamming anyone. There is no exit scam, and there is no intention to disappear.

There is no scam.

The entire community says otherwise.

You haven't even provided any proof of that alleged "stolen funds".

[Beparanf]

Betmoco is not scamming anyone. There is no exit scam, and there is no intention to disappear.

There is no scam.

The entire community says otherwise.

You haven't even provided any proof of that alleged "stolen funds".

That’s already their last response on this thread that proves they are indeed scam since the casino is still down until now which means affected players and signature campaign participants money still trapped in there.

Their Bitcointalk account is still active yet zero response further for updates. It’s the opposite of them being responsive when they are still accepting deposits compared now.

[mikel_012]

It's very weird that Betmoco is still here, what is the end plan if he is scamming and still sending public messages? They could try to delay any formal police accusation to hide or launder the money if they are scamming but I see no point in posting unless they really want to come back

But if they wanted to come back they would pay what they owed first because then no one would have any reason to doubt about the maintenance and the reputation could be rebuild with time. Get a loan or similar but you need to pay back the big amounts you owe to real players

[virasog]

That’s already their last response on this thread that proves they are indeed scam since the casino is still down until now which means affected players and signature campaign participants money still trapped in there.

Their Bitcointalk account is still active yet zero response further for updates. It’s the opposite of them being responsive when they are still accepting deposits compared now.

Maybe they didn't know that they can lock this thread with this update and stop this on-going complain and anger against them. Indeed this is real sad that they can't provide any proof that funds were stolen from the site and it shows that their intentions isn't good. The OP keep insisting that Betmoco isn't scam but they don't do any actions that shows willing to defuse the situation.

Those who have deposited at the casino, they have the hard lesson learned, that is not to deposit at the new casino until they establish some sort of trust. Also for the signature participants, do not join any new casino campaign without escrow specially if it is not run by any reputed member of this forum.

[Renampun]

Op is still lurking around the forum observing what's going on here and there which is quite unusual since scammers completely abandon the forum when they are done scamming. He is probably keeping an eye on the updates related to people identifying him as I mentioned in my previous post.

Or he has a fetish of seeing people talking about his platform that successfully scammed so many people and it makes him so excited wherever he is.

but at this point, there is no point in interacting with them or wanting them to take responsibility for what they have done because they have no intention of compensating for all the losses they have caused. once again, this is a lesson for us not to trust new casinos so easily since they can run away like they did.

[Hispo]

It's very weird that Betmoco is still here, what is the end plan if he is scamming and still sending public messages? They could try to delay any formal police accusation to hide or launder the money if they are scamming but I see no point in posting unless they really want to come back

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Get a loan or similar but you need to pay back the big amounts you owe to real players

I don't understand why they would continue to engage with gamblers here on their ANN. It would only make sense if they were trying to delay any action against them while they launder the money before running away from here. There is also the very small chance they are not actually scammers and just are very incompetent, having actual problems with the money of people.

It is rather silly they would be willing to get a loan in order to pay people here what it is owed to them, honestly. They are more likely to use whatever it is written in their Terms of service in order to get away with all this mess.

[Jaycoinz]

It's very weird that Betmoco is still here, what is the end plan if he is scamming and still sending public messages? They could try to delay any formal police accusation to hide or launder the money if they are scamming but I see no point in posting unless they really want to come back

But if they wanted to come back they would pay what they owed first because then no one would have any reason to doubt about the maintenance and the reputation could be rebuild with time. Get a loan or similar but you need to pay back the big amounts you owe to real players

It is indeed weird but with what they are saying that they don't have any plans of scamming then they should provide legit sources and claims that would back up that statement and the community would see if their claims is actually legit because saying you don't want to scam or run away with people's funds kind of looks like exactly what someone who has that idea of doing such would say so less talk and more action would be a welcomed development.

[adultcrypto]

20k this time, what about the next casino they open up? Maybe they'll get 50k and move to the next casino, and the next, and the next. They may be serial scammers and end up with 10 exit scams in a year. They do that and get a minimum 20k each time, they get 200k.

It's not about reputation only, it's also us users being too quick to sink our money into a too good to be true offer for a casino who has earned nothing from us. I am not saying never try a new casino, just saying don't deposit your life savings into a new business who hasn't proved themselves.

This is a very correct analysis of what will possibly happen because they will definitely come back in another form with bigger target. I made a post in the gambling discussion board warning people of this possibility because I sense they will still come with another big offer to attract people they will scam in the next round. People are easily deceived by big bonuses which is why these scammers offer them. They are just spoiling things for new casinos that will come up because people will be scare of depositing big money in them.

[stadus]

I made a post in the gambling discussion board warning people of this possibility because I sense they will still come with another big offer to attract people they will scam in the next round. People are easily deceived by big bonuses which is why these scammers offer them. They are just spoiling things for new casinos that will come up because people will be scare of depositing big money in them.

There’s really only one main thing to look at first, the license of the casino. It should always be verified if they actually have one. Because if they’re licensed, they’ll think twice before scamming, since they know authorities can go after them.

The problem with Betmoco is they didn’t even have a proper license, and yet many of us still trusted them. The scam just happened too fast. But imagine if they lasted for years and slowly gained people’s trust, they could’ve scammed even more. So for me, to keep it simple, the number one thing we should always check is the license. That matters more than promos, bonuses, or hype.

[arwin100]

I made a post in the gambling discussion board warning people of this possibility because I sense they will still come with another big offer to attract people they will scam in the next round. People are easily deceived by big bonuses which is why these scammers offer them. They are just spoiling things for new casinos that will come up because people will be scare of depositing big money in them.

There’s really only one main thing to look at first, the license of the casino. It should always be verified if they actually have one. Because if they’re licensed, they’ll think twice before scamming, since they know authorities can go after them.

The problem with Betmoco is they didn’t even have a proper license, and yet many of us still trusted them. The scam just happened too fast. But imagine if they lasted for years and slowly gained people’s trust, they could’ve scammed even more. So for me, to keep it simple, the number one thing we should always check is the license. That matters more than promos, bonuses, or hype.

Yeah this is the least thing people could look for and also verify if the license presented is valid, since early exit might not gonna happen. But still I doubt it can stop those scam, since if the intention of the casino is to do that heinous act well even if they have license they can still run and scam people.

Aside from not having that, people also dive easily on the promotion they have seen. Then forget about taking proper precautions and this is the reason why scam platform like this succeed, also if they really manage to operate for many years? it would be total disastrous for the part of gamblers since many will provably loss their money if same situation will happen.

[Sanitough]

Aside from not having that, people also dive easily on the promotion they have seen. Then forget about taking proper precautions and this is the reason why scam platform like this succeed, also if they really manage to operate for many years? it would be total disastrous for the part of gamblers since many will provably loss their money if same situation will happen.

At least they should look at the license first, because the forum doesn’t really moderate scams. And we also can’t just say that every casino without a license is already a scam, especially in the crypto space. A lot of us started gambling before with no KYC, and before, people were even complaining about KYC because crypto was supposed to be exempt from that.

So there’s really a mix of opinions here. Some people agree with strict rules, some don’t. In the end, it all depends on how we personally evaluate the risk and how willing we are to accept it if something bad happens in the future.

That’s why it’s better to minimize the risk. Bet smaller on new casinos, and place bigger bets only on those that already built a good reputation and have a license, if that’s what you consider important.

[khaled0111]

Yeah this is the least thing people could look for and also verify if the license presented is valid, since early exit might not gonna happen. But still I doubt it can stop those scam, since if the intention of the casino is to do that heinous act well even if they have license they can still run and scam people.

May I ask all the gamblers on this board and I hope they will respond honestly: "how many times do you check whether the license of the casino you are playing at is valid?".
Pretty sure the answers will 99% "we never do".
So, any casino could simply claim they are licensed and many gamblers will take their word for it wihout verification. This is, unfortunately, how things have been going around here for too long.

[yahoo62278]

Yeah this is the least thing people could look for and also verify if the license presented is valid, since early exit might not gonna happen. But still I doubt it can stop those scam, since if the intention of the casino is to do that heinous act well even if they have license they can still run and scam people.

May I ask all the gamblers on this board and I hope they will respond honestly: "how many times do you check whether the license of the casino you are playing at is valid?".
Pretty sure the answers will 99% "we never do".
So, any casino could simply claim they are licensed and many gamblers will take their word for it wihout verification. This is, unfortunately, how things have been going around here for too long.

I personally have never checked a license validity before playing at a casino, but I also rarely play at non trusted casinos when they 1st launch. I want them to have some sort of reputation before I put my money at risk as we have seen too many fly by night scam operations pop up to take the risk.

[FinneysTrueVision]

May I ask all the gamblers on this board and I hope they will respond honestly: "how many times do you check whether the license of the casino you are playing at is valid?".
Pretty sure the answers will 99% "we never do".
So, any casino could simply claim they are licensed and many gamblers will take their word for it wihout verification. This is, unfortunately, how things have been going around here for too long.

For sites that have a clickable badge, it only takes a second to verify whether they have a valid license. Some years ago, there was license issuers that didn’t have an online validator and I didn’t always take the time to do research unless I heard complaints about that casino. Today almost every casino, except those based in Costa Rica, have a verifiable badge at the bottom of their homepage.

I didn’t follow the Betmoco situation too closely. My understanding was that they were operating unlicensed, so there wan’t really anything to verify. They dismissed some claims about their previous license, which was from Curacao and then said they were in the process of getting a license from Anjouan. They never made enough of an impression to make me want to play there and after seeing how they addressed licensing concerns and accusations of unprocessed withdrawals, I got the feeling there were out to scam.