Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[practicaldreamer]

The Occupy Wallstreet crowd were socialists who wanted the government to take from the 1% and give them everything for free.

To whom does the wealth of a nation belong ? The land ? The oil ? The fisheries/oceans ? The natural world/environment ? The labour ? Even the knowledge is becoming an asset of the nation/world thru the internet.
 To whom does all this belong ? 0.1% of the population ? And you say that this is as it should be ? You need your head examining.

[AnonyMint]

I have no problem with polygamy. Who the fuck are you to tell another man how to manage his sexual affairs?

You are liberal control freak. Always jealous of what another person has, and think you can top-down plan a better world.

Ah, I see how it is;  You are a degenerate fuck who resents society from calling you out on it.

I'd try to explain to you that children are actual humans who are prone to psychological damage when they are sexually molested, but I don't guess that you have the capacity to absorb that concept.  Carting some kid down to a church and branding a 'wife number {n}' stamp on her doesn't change the reality of the situation.  That 99.9% of people accept this (and probably 99% of Mormons by this time) should tell you something.  That it doesn't tell you something tells us a lot about you.

Whether that is true or not, you have no right to tell another local community how to manage their affairs. Keep your nose out of other people's assholes.

And the video I've seen of the women at the Bundy protests, looks like very happy women who are very dedicated to their families and respect for private property.

Why do you assume that all Mormons abuse their daughters and don't look out for them?

(note I am not Mormon nor have I practiced polygamy, but it isn't my right to judge other cultures, I respect diversity)

and more focused on actually buying land that he wanted his progeny to control then Cliven wouldn't have this problem.

Leasing is more efficient than purchasing in some cases.

Fine.  Don't bitch about it when the the owner decides not to renew the lease.  Or in this case that he actually wants the money owed to him.

Why can't you get it in your thick skull that the owner is Clark country and the citizens of the USA are sovereign?

You Marxists are not Americans. It is time for us to have civil war and go our separate ways.

I think he even said in one interview that he wishes he could buy the land.

Send Bundy someone who knows how to use Zillow then.  I saw shit-loads of dirt cheap land in Nevada a few years ago when I was looking around for some investment diversity.

His land that he already improved. Not some other land.

The owners are the people who live there. And the militia is going to put a boot up your Fed thugs' asses to make sure they know it.

[AnonyMint]

The Occupy Wallstreet crowd were socialists who wanted the government to take from the 1% and give them everything for free.

To whom does the wealth of a nation belong ? The land ? The oil ? The fisheries/oceans ? The natural world/environment ? The labour ? Even the knowledge is becoming an asset of the nation/world thru the internet.
 To whom does all this belong ? 0.1% of the population ? And you say that this is as it should be ? You need your head examining.

It belongs to those who worked for it.

See Europeans believe in "social justice", which means if you don't work hard, you can just steal it.

This is why Europeans have 1 - 2 months paid vacations, they have 35 hour work weeks, they can't be fired (even when they don't work hard), and they have free health care.

And that is why Europe will implode in a hell very soon.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/23/the-two-most-dangerous-idea/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/14/the-secret-agenda/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/13/thomas-piketty-another-economist-on-the-loose-out-to-destroy-the-world-as-we-know-it/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/14/hunting-the-rich/
http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/21/uk-hunting-the-rich-abandon-uk-before-you-cannot/

[practicaldreamer]

It belongs to those who worked for it.

Inequalities in the distributions of wealth, power and opportunity mean that it doesn't in fact belong to those who worked for it. And levels of social mobility in the US are lower than in any advanced industrialised nation. Hardly a meritocracy is it ? Like I said, a loaded deck of cards.

I think the answer that you are searching for, re. ownership of the wealth of the nation, is that it belongs to all of us. It is our common wealth. We share it and are custodians of it for future generations.
 

[AnonyMint]

It belongs to those who worked for it.

Inequalities in the distributions of wealth, power and opportunity mean that it doesn't in fact belong to those who worked for it. And levels of social mobility in the US are lower than in any advanced industrialised nation. Hardly a meritocracy is it ?

I think the answer that you are searching for, re. ownership of the wealth of the nation, is that it belongs to all of us. It is our common wealth. We share it and are custodians of it for future generations.

BS. The mobility of lazy people is declining. The mobility of highly motivated people such as myself has never been greater, due to the internet and technology.

No we can't give something for free which isn't free.

People actually have to compete. Marxism fails.

And so you will fail.

Add: fact is, the more you collectivize and redistribute, the lazier the people become.

[practicaldreamer]

The mobility of highly motivated people such as myself has never been greater,

But aren't you the son of a high flying oil company lawyer ? So how exactly are you an example of upward social mobility, the American Dream and all things meritocratic ?
   And if you start going on about black kids touching your hair at school in New Orleans you are getting the ignore button.

No- the truth is the US doesn't reward hard work and merit - it rewards the individual in direct proportion to their privilege.

Those who are privileged, like yourself, wish to maintain their privilege - as Galbraith said "The fortunate find virtue in that which perpetuates their good fortune".

  You can big yourself up as much as you like but I can assure you that I have met many many people who have exceeded your intellectual capacity (and emotional maturity FWIW) and yet own/possess much less than you I am sure - as will their children if the facts are to be believed on social mobility.

[AnonyMint]

I'm a gun owner and don't plan on giving up that right without resistance.  I don't have any problem getting guns because I don't have dangerous psychological pathologies which threaten others and am not a criminal.  Every time I buy a gun I have to pass a background check.  It's an annoyance, but I don't want armed criminals and militia wanabe nutjobs creeping around my place.  Not that some reasonable background check solution is completely effective in solving this problem, and not that the system cannot be abused by centralized power structures, but on balance I accept it as a reasonable approach.

Boiling frogs think it is reasonable, until they come for you too. Top-down power corrupts absolutely (as proven over and over again throughout human history).

"
    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
"

FWIW, I personally believe that it is generally better that states control most of the non privately owned land within their jurisdictions.

No it is better if local government controls it. And if you don't understand why, then you don't understand a god damn thing about fitness. Try clicking my blog on my signature and see if you can learn a little bit of math.

The Feds own to much of Utah as best I can tell.  A handful of kooks camped out at Bundy's place is not the way to change it though.

You think real men that defend fitness are kooks. You are brain-dead, kooky.

My state owns most of the land around me and I'm happy with that.

Because you don't know shit about fitness. You are ignorant of some basic mathematical concepts.

Not sure what that means (if anything) but most of the militia goobers I've seen are anything but 'fit'.  Physically or mentally.

I was referring to degrees-of-freedom, potential energy, simulated annealing, and resilience. You are way out of your league here. As I said, click my blog on my signature and spend time learning about some math.

Unfortunately we have kooks on the other side of the equation who have had recent success in halting even reasonable use of the forests

You fucking insane environmentalists go fuck a tree. I haven't forgotten your asinine post upthread about respecting the need to obtain a timber cutting permit.

Local communities should compete on how to manage resources, then clearly the best management will win and then optimum fitness will spread like a wave.

Generally I agree with the principle of political localization and autonomy.  There is a realistic limit to how much things can be localized since the resources available to a local government are limited.  There are also situations where problems and issues are geographically broad so localized political structures are inefficient (at best) to deal with them.  Certain ecological issues fit into this catagory for instance.

If for example, local communities can't form a pact on the shared use of a resource that binds them, e.g. a river, then they destroy each other and the more powerful one comes in and takes control over all.

Thus rational men will form pacts, while retaining autonomy on orthogonal issues, i.e. not marrying into one Federal fascist power corruption structure.

and there is a real possibility that the state will give up and sell the forest to private industry (or worse, give it to the Feds.)

Oh the horrors of private property.

Chances are you live in some asphalt jungle somewhere and are not really familiar with the kind of damage that wanton exploitation can do to an environment.

Chances are you have no clue. I currently live next to a jungle. I've owned land and lived in West Texas.

I own more than a mile of riverfront on an unusually clean river.  It is this way because the entire watershed is managed fairly carefully, and that is because the proceeds of extraction go to schools rather than into some investors pocket.

Oh the benefits of government indoctrination institutions, where they instill lies such as man-made global warming and incorrect interpretation of the US Constitution, etc..

Lately now they even teach Pepsi, McDonalds, etc.. Fascism in full thrust mode...

I was around in the 70's when industry (with the blessing of all levels of government) were spraying the same chemical constituents contained in agent orange all over the place.  The chemical companies were geared up for it's manufacture and when the order came down to quit spraying it on Vietnamese villagers, they needed another outlet for the stuff.

That is what happens when the landowners are not the residents and the local county (voted on by residents) is not the regulator.

And thus Bundy's position is correct.

[AnonyMint]

The mobility of highly motivated people such as myself has never been greater,

But aren't you the son of a high flying oil company lawyer ? So how exactly are you an example of upward social mobility, the American Dream and all things meritocratic ?
   And if you start going on about black kids touching your hair at school in New Orleans you are getting the ignore button.

What part of my father left when I was 5 years old and I lived in poverty do you not understand?

And what part of when my father returned to the fold, I did not significantly avail of his wealth.

For example, I worked my own way through college. I started my first software company in my garage (of a house I rented with 3 other mates) while I was at college at age 21 from my own funding from working various jobs:

http://www.atarimania.com/list_utilities_atari-st-neocept-inc_publisher_3186_S_U.html
http://www.atarimagazines.com/st-log/issue29/84_1_REVIEW_WORDUP.php

HARD WORK.

I have worked up to 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, with no showers and sleeping under my desk.

You lazy mofos don't impress me.

[tvbcof]

I was referring to degrees-of-freedom, potential energy, simulated annealing, and resilience. You are way out of your league here. As I said, click my blog and spend time learning about some math.

Wow!  Another quack who was just bright enough to realize that stringing together some nonesense technical jargon words on a post and doing a cut-n-paste blog was good enough to impress someone in the Internets.  Himself at least.  Yawn.

I forgot most of my calculus and all of my differential equations for lack of use and don't have a compelling reason to refresh my knowledge of them.  Sorry.

[AnonyMint]

I was referring to degrees-of-freedom, potential energy, simulated annealing, and resilience. You are way out of your league here. As I said, click my blog and spend time learning about some math.

Wow!  Another quack who was just bright enough to realize that stringing together some nonesense technical jargon words on a post and doing a cut-n-paste blog was good enough to impress someone in the Internets.  Himself at least.  Yawn.

I forgot most of my calculus and all of my differential equations for lack of use and don't have a compelling reason to refresh my knowledge of them.  Sorry.

Another foolish halfwit (not total idiot, but not smart enough to grasp broader models) who disclaims what he can't understand.

If math is not your strong suite, then don't even try to get into a debate with me. You will certainly lose but not know it, because you will register it in your mind as "technobabble".

[tvbcof]

I was referring to degrees-of-freedom, potential energy, simulated annealing, and resilience. You are way out of your league here. As I said, click my blog and spend time learning about some math.

Wow!  Another quack who was just bright enough to realize that stringing together some nonesense technical jargon words on a post and doing a cut-n-paste blog was good enough to impress someone in the Internets.  Himself at least.  Yawn.

I forgot most of my calculus and all of my differential equations for lack of use and don't have a compelling reason to refresh my knowledge of them.  Sorry.

Another idiot who disclaims what he can't understand.

If math is not your strong suite, then don't even try to get into a debate with me. You will certainly lose but not know it, because you will register it in your mind as "technobabble".

And if rational logic and observation is not yours (clearly the case) then don't try to get into an argument with me.  You will lose (also very clearly the case already.)

 - edit: 'simulated annealing'  LOL!

[AnonyMint]

You've lost the debate. Anyone with an IQ north of 140 will clearly see that. Those possessing lower IQ may not.

And clearly we need a civil war so the dummies can go make their failures. And we smart folks can go make our prosperity.

And we smart folks need other ways to opt-out of the coming mess that you dummies make. And that is what I am working on. But I have no need to tell you what that is. Some readers here already know what I am working on.

[tvbcof]

From: http://www.wsba910.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1396935302&article=323DB80ABEC211E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2

...
Asked if other Nevada cattlemen were as angry with the federal government as Bundy, Torell said, "absolutely not."

It's true, he said, that many NCA members are disgruntled at having to deal with BLM's bureaucracy. But, he noted, 87 percent of Nevada land is public land, so cattlemen cannot survive on private land alone. "It's important for our permitees to work with the land management agencies. We want to be good stewards of the land -- to protect natural resources."
...

Looks like we got us a bunch-ah pinko commie sympathizers in that thar Nevada Cattlemen's Association.  Natchrul Resources? <spits on ground>

[tvbcof]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he [Bundy] said.

Fascinating!  Please go on Mr. Bundy...

“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life...

I'll look forward to hearing more words of wisdom from this great man.

A spokesman for Paul, informed of Bundy’s remarks, said the senator was not available for immediate comment. Chandler Smith, a spokesman for Heller, said that the senator “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.” A spokeswoman for Abbott, Laura Bean, said that the letter he wrote “was regarding a dispute in Texas and is in no way related to the dispute in Nevada.”

ROTFL (after checking that it was not a The Onion piece.)

The full story including more Cliven Bundy musings about what the young girls are up to from here...and likely many more places soon enough:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140423-patriot-or-terrorist-feelings-run-high-about-armed-nevada-rancher-who-repelled-feds.ece

[tvbcof]

Actually...you know what?  I got a late start in looking into this Bundy thing but after analyzing it for a few days now I think that there is a decent chance that almost the whole thing is staged.

As I pointed out earlier, there is no way that it makes sense to brag about one's strategy of putting their wifes and daughters on the front lines so they get shot first in order to make good video.  That 'former sheriff' guy has simply got to be a plant.

Next we have Bundy being progressively more pathological.  Lies about his land history, starts in with over-the-top racial insults, etc.  Things particularly apt to get people like myself and a great many other semi-decent people pretty disgusted.

Then, of course, the idea of a bunch of loons chasing away the feds who were basically trying to do their job which is pretty reasonable.  Of course this will (and has) gotten casual observers baffled and alarmed that miscreants like the militia crew has so much power, and it is all because they have guns.

Just leaving things as they are now with the Feds slinking away achieves a pretty strong effect in forming public opinion about the power and danger of firearms of militias.  It also leaves the Bundy clan with all their cows and the fines could be quietly deferred as they have for the last two decades.  Win/win for everyone and probably plenty good reason for Bundy (who indeed does have some history of separatism sentiments) to play ball.

Just a thought.  And for years I've heard about leaks of programs of public deception using various media and social networks.  Just like many other 'whacko conspiracy theories' some of which have proven completely true.  I've no trouble believing that such a program is something which our government would undertake if they could get away with it and if it would be an effective engineering tool to solve a perceived social management problem.

[bryant.coleman]

The full story including more Cliven Bundy musings about what the young girls are up to from here...and likely many more places soon enough:

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20140423-patriot-or-terrorist-feelings-run-high-about-armed-nevada-rancher-who-repelled-feds.ece

Who is going to believe all this BS? Everyone knows that Harry Reid and his stupid son has unleashed a negative propaganda campaign against Bundy and his family, well aided by some corrupt media groups.

[AnonyMint]

From: http://www.wsba910.com/common/more.php?m=58&ts=1396935302&article=323DB80ABEC211E3B51EFEFDADE6840A&mode=2

...
So far, the Nevada Cattlemen's Association (NCA), which represents some 700 ranchers in the state, is taking a hands-off stance on Bundy's protest.

In a statement, the association noted that Bundy's case had been reviewed by a federal judge, and that a legal decision had been rendered to remove the cattle. The statement said that NCA "does not feel it is in our best interest to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter, and in addition NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the federal courts."

Asked about the Bundy situation, NCA president Ron Torell told ABC News, "This has gotten way out of hand."

Asked if other Nevada cattlemen were as angry with the federal government as Bundy, Torell said, "absolutely not."

It's true, he said, that many NCA members are disgruntled at having to deal with BLM's bureaucracy. But, he noted, 87 percent of Nevada land is public land, so cattlemen cannot survive on private land alone. "It's important for our permitees to work with the land management agencies. We want to be good stewards of the land -- to protect natural resources."

Of the Bundy affair, he said, "These types of situations have a way of painting the entire industry with controversy."
...

Looks like we got us a bunch-ah pinko commie sympathizers in that thar Nevada Cattlemen's Association.  Natchrul Resources? <spits on ground>

You got a bunch of pussies like you who caved into the Feds. They don't like it, but they are too scared to fight.

Indeed most of the world right now deserves the Armageddon that is coming to them, because they refuse to put their lives on the line to stand their ground.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

[AnonyMint]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he [Bundy] said.

Fascinating!  Please go on Mr. Bundy...

“They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life...

I'll look forward to hearing more words of wisdom from this great man.

Everything Bundy was quoted as saying was entirely accurate. And I am not racist. I grew up in black neighborhoods, the mother of my kids has dark brown skin, etc..

There is absolutely no reason for him to back down to pussies like you who want him to lie about the facts.

Upthread you accused him of having his kids on welfare, I challenged you to cite proof, and now we see Bundy is criticizing welfare.

Upthread you wussies said what if blacks in inner cities stood up to the Feds, and I said they don't have any property to defend because they don't work, and they receive instead lots of goodies from the Feds and the Feds are not taking from them.

In fact, the Bible says you can take a slave for 7 years (because the slave deserves it for not producing and being in debt either individually or collectively through allowing and not standing up to big government). And all your wussies are going to end up as slaves (you already are slaves to the Feds), because you refuse to stand up for your liberty, private property rights, individual and local community sovereignty, etc..

Instead you will ride the collective Titanic debt+big government (central banks, etc) machine into its periodic megadeath and slavery end game.

Now I am not saying that all blacks behave that way. Sure there are blacks who excel, and there are also many whites who now leech on the welfare State.

[snip]

Add: fact is, the more you collectivize and redistribute, the lazier the people become.

The Occupy Wallstreet crowd were socialists who wanted the government to take from the 1% and give them everything for free.

If you don't believe me, go review the videos of Peter Schiff debating on the street with them.

To whom does the wealth of a nation belong ? The land ? The oil ? The fisheries/oceans ? The natural world/environment ? The labour ? Even the knowledge is becoming an asset of the nation/world thru the internet.
 To whom does all this belong ? 0.1% of the population ? And you say that this is as it should be ? You need your head examining.

It belongs to those who worked for it.

See Europeans believe in "social justice", which means if you don't work hard, you can just steal it.

This is why Europeans have 1 - 2 months paid vacations, they have 35 hour work weeks, they can't be fired (even when they don't work hard), and they have free health care.

And that is why Europe will implode in a hell very soon.

BTW, TYT made a pretty good point the other day.  Let's say a bunch of black folk in Compton or Hispanics in East LA showed up with guns and demanded that one of theirs shouldn't have to pay some fee that everyone else pays.

Feds don't charge fees to poor blacks, instead the Feds loads them up with free goodies at the expense of the taxpayer.

Do you suppose that the 'patriots' are going to roll into town guns blazing to support their cause or that Fox News is going to rally to their cause?

What cause? Those leeches don't work, thus don't have any private property to protect.

And this isn't a racist statement. Any hard working black ranchers with the same ethics as Bundy should be supported by the militias.

[AnonyMint]

A female US Air Force veteran of 9 years, explains what is going on very well.

Indeed most of the world right now deserves the Armageddon that is coming to them, because they refuse to put their lives on the line to stand their ground.

Ok, you've graduated to full-on crazy now. Go post in one of Actor_Tom_Truong's threads, he'll help you prepare for your final battle against the thirteen european bloodlines of the illuminati terrorists. Let us know how it goes!

Tell that to Hitler and the next European tyrant (Putin?) coming like him very soon, because you socialists fucks don't grasp the pathology of your philosophy.

That 'former sheriff' guy has simply got to be a plant.

You are ignorant. Learn who Sheriff Mack is and learn what the proper role of the Sheriff is in our Constitutional form of government:

http://www.amazon.com/The-County-Sheriff-Americas-Last/dp/B002PKCMFO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mack
http://sheriffmack.com/
http://cspoa.org/category/sheriff-richard-mack/

Next we have Bundy being progressively more pathological.  Lies about his land history, starts in with over-the-top racial insults, etc.  Things particularly apt to get people like myself and a great many other semi-decent people pretty disgusted.

Only you getting more pathological in your attempt to spin his correct statements.

Socialist megakillers such as yourself always think they are innocent and don't understand the pathology of their collective philosophy.

There is no way to reason with you chattel. We must opt-out of your hell and watch you fuck yourselves.

Then, of course, the idea of a bunch of loons chasing away the feds who were basically trying to do their job which is pretty reasonable.  Of course this will (and has) gotten casual observers baffled and alarmed that miscreants like the militia crew has so much power, and it is all because they have guns.

You make me puke. You don't deserve America (U.S.A.), rather you deserve Amerika (U.S.S.A - United Socialist States of Amerika).

I will be very happy when you and I no longer share the same citizenship.

I am not going to repeat the Constitutional points already made, because you are never going to defend the Constitution.

So just go on and continue the slide into the hell you deserve.

We will find a way to opt-out of your hell and laugh at you.

Just leaving things as they are now with the Feds slinking away achieves a pretty strong effect in forming public opinion about the power and danger of firearms of militias.

Indeed there is war being incited between the Communist/Fascists which is about 75% of the population, and the remaining Constitutionalists which is 25% or less of the population.

We Constitionalists will lose the country, but we will gain the victory where it matters most by opting out in way that you can't touch us and then we will watch you fucks crash and burn.

I have my popcorn ready.

...You can see from the survey about Global Warming that roughly 25% of the people in the USA are not idiots like you.

P.S. There is civil war coming because we don't agree with you idiots. And we demand to have a place where we can practice private property rights and limited government. And you fools need to have your own large government that kills you. We refuse to be part of your self-inflicted eugenics system.

[Wilikon]

BUNDY FAMILY SAYS 'EUTHANIZED' CATTLE SHOT MULTIPLE TIMES



Ammon Bundy, son of embattled Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, said some of the dead cattle the family found after the federal government backed down from a tense standoff over a week ago had been shot as many as five times – seemingly more than necessary to kill the animals.

“Well we know that two bulls were shot. And the one that they threw up in the mountain, Nickelcrick, he had a shot from above. He was shot by helicopter, but then he had four other shots to him as well. It looks like a fun shoot,” said the younger Bundy adding, “One hit him in the head and it ripped his whole face up. It was almost like a fun shoot. I didn’t know how or what was going on, but then one was definitely from the top down. Its pretty good proof that what happened in the helicopter that did that one.”

A BLM contractor hired to round up the animals did not respond to a voicemail about the allegations. A spokesman for the BLM did not respond to a request for comment.

Helicopters are often used during cattle roundups and their use for this activity is controversial. The Associated Press reported in June of 2013 that the BLM was taking comments and suggestions about its proposal to use helicopters to help gather wild horses over the next two years. Bundy described how he thinks the helicopter roundup killed Bundy Ranch cattle.
“Since Saturday they were in gathering this cattle by helicopter. They were pushing them all. When you do it that way, it was 90 degrees that week—in the 90’s, those cattle run too hard and it’s very difficult on them and they’ll overheat and die, but also this is calving season right now,” said Bundy. “So these cows are aborting their calves and they’re also separating their newborn babies from their mothers.”

Bundy believes that is the reason why the ranch has at least 27 calves that they know of that were separated from their mothers. At this point, the ranch staff and the family can’t find the mothers to the calves.
“So there’s that issue, because its just inhumane how they gathered the cattle. We do it through a trapping process. It’s very humane to them,” he said.

Several of animals inside the enclosures at the Bundy ranch appeared to have their hides torn and limped along due to injuries to their legs. Bundy claims the injuries to the cattle were caused by “contract cowboys” dragging the animals.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/23/Bundy-Family-Accuses-BLM-Of-Unnecessary-Shots