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The same that a wing drift boat on litoshiessealand is not a good thing, But considering that it was a important coin time ago, 3 months could be time enough to see if any type of magic could still happen with this one.
February 18,2016 - Deadline if it dont have any new dev yet.
Ok. and what is going to happen on February 18,2016 if a developer has not come forward? Edit: I guess Karma will be added to this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812247.0 |
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The same that a wing drift boat on litoshiessealand is not a good thing, But considering that it was a important coin time ago, 3 months could be time enough to see if any type of magic could still happen with this one.
February 18,2016 - Deadline if it dont have any new dev yet.
Ok. and what is going to happen on February 18,2016 if a developer has not come forward? Edit: I guess Karma will be added to this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=812247.0Yes, In fact it is listed on Waiting for an answer already, But We will see. |
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Thank you very much. The posts you made after my request to post something if you still care about Karma, meant only one thing. Karma and our community is just resting. This is regardless of the content of your post. Now to those who may have trouble synching their newly installed wallets. Kindly try to do the following: in your wallet go to help | debug window | console and type in or copy and paste (ONE AT A TIME PLEASE):addnode 104.243.34.106 add addnode 109.221.15.102 add addnode 122.57.103.228 add addnode 135.0.78.42 add addnode 148.251.126.241 add addnode 167.114.27.241 add addnode 173.58.213.135 add addnode 178.66.92.83 add addnode 188.165.2.147 add addnode 188.226.194.191 add addnode 192.95.29.153 add addnode 204.11.237.233 add addnode 212.198.247.212 add addnode 212.93.100.223 add addnode 24.102.90.154 add addnode 24.15.13.38 add addnode 37.5.13.140 add addnode 5.101.96.124 add addnode 62.221.89.173 add addnode 68.35.218.223 add addnode 72.42.100.141 add addnode 75.119.248.120 add addnode 76.95.178.229 add addnode 80.215.138.166 add addnode 83.104.61.47 add addnode 84.117.113.234 add addnode 86.235.25.22 add addnode 89.11.228.207 add addnode 91.64.54.9 add addnode 95.55.189.156 add addnode 98.94.49.78 add addnode 99.113.26.253 add And hopefully you will soon synch your Karma wallet. By the way the posts also showed the inherent obstacles why Karma development would not be handled by a capable and willing developer of code. To those who don't have the time to search through pages and pages of our history, here they are: 1. Substantial amount of coins are now in the hands of several holders, see the richlist. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/#!rich2. Progressive and sustained code development for Karma needs time, financial and emotional supports. Which we don't have. 3. Everyone of us, have other priorities, intents, purposes, capacities, willingness and pride that make smooth and continued cooperation to develop Karma difficult to gain. While on the other hand on the technical side of things, we have: 1. limited exchanges and the major one is having difficulties of its own. 2. The coin is now pegged to an also fading coin. 3. The code is littered with bugs that newbies will find annoying to resolve. (Not easy to use) 4. Everything we maintain to keep the Karma system going, costs money. 5. There is no practical use of the coin at the moment. I will not argue with anyone. Let us keep things real, attainable and agreeable. Good Karma guys. Always been here to help. -east |
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And what does that mean? For the second time you mention how many coins have some people ?! Do you want them or what? Why you not buy, the price is inexpensive? You once said that those with many coins should give billions to get some development ?? I have billions and will not give anything! Many mined and many bought. And not will sell to those who wait. I don't like how you presents things, those who are behind karma. What exactly do you wants, all of you back there? |
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And what does that mean? For the second time you mention how many coins have some people ?! Do you want them or what? Why you not buy, the price is inexpensive? You once said that those with many coins should give billions to get some development ?? I have billions and will not give anything! Many mined and many bought. And not will sell to those who wait. I don't like how you presents things, those who are behind karma. What exactly do you wants, all of you back there? it means Karm has a distribution similar to Litecoin. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/#!rich |
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Here are some Photovoltaic technologies. An alternator is an electrical generator that converts mechanical energy to electrical energy in the form of alternating current. For reasons of cost and simplicity, most alternators use a rotating magnetic field with a stationary armature. Occasionally, a linear alternator or a rotating armature with a stationary magnetic field is used. In principle, any AC electrical generator can be called an alternator, but usually the term refers to small rotating machines driven by automotive and other internal combustion engines. Large 50 or 60 Hz three phase alternators in power plants generate most of the world's electric power, which is distributed by electric power grids. Faraday's law of induction is a basic law of electromagnetism predicting how a magnetic field will interact with an electric circuit to produce an electromotive force (EMF)—a phenomenon called electromagnetic induction. It is the fundamental operating principle of transformers, inductors, and many types of electrical motors, generators and solenoids.  Maxwell's equations are a set of partial differential equations that, together with the Lorentz force law, form the foundation of classical electrodynamics, classical optics, and electric circuits. These fields in turn underlie modern electrical and communications technologies. Maxwell's equations describe how electric and magnetic fields are generated and altered by each other and by charges and currents. They are named after the physicist and mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, who published an early form of those equations between 1861 and 1862.  interesting read ... but what has that to do with karma? ... or are you implying building some of these systems will save money on mining karma  ... #crysx |
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November 29, 2015, 01:37:56 AM |
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And what does that mean? For the second time you mention how many coins have some people ?! Do you want them or what? Why you not buy, the price is inexpensive? You once said that those with many coins should give billions to get some development ?? I have billions and will not give anything! Many mined and many bought. And not will sell to those who wait. I don't like how you presents things, those who are behind karma. What exactly do you wants, all of you back there? it means Karm has a distribution similar to Litecoin. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ltc/#!rich litecoins reward per block is NOTHING like karma ... so its not a real comparison ... #crysx |
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litecoins reward per block is NOTHING like karma ... so its not a real comparison ...
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litecoins reward per block is NOTHING like karma ... so its not a real comparison ...
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what does block reward have to do with distribution? absolutely nothing when the coins are being mined and then dumped on exchanges to be sold. quite a bit actually ... the capacity for a coin to be maintained has a number of things attached ... one of those things is amount ... a coin - say like sia for instance - has many millions of coins that get mined and dumped - but many millions more coming into play ... same with karma ... ltc on the other hand has a diminishing number and few coins per block mined at any one time - unlike karma - which allows the volume and pricing ( against btc ) to maintain a better liquidity ... this means LESS dumping than coins like karma ... distribution is a very poor indicator of how a coin is performing in the community anyway ... its an important indicator for access of a coin - but not liquidity ... so when mining karma - its a lot easier to obtain than ltc ... which makes for higher distribution ( mostly ) but not a high value ... so block reward has quite an impact when its easy to mine - then dump ... as opposed to not so easy to mine and dump ... it creates a higher level of value to the coin ... if we look at sia again ... the value of the coin is minute - BUT - the USE of the coin is enormous when the project gets its foothold in the storage industry ( as you need to spend sia to get storage ) ... karma has very little use in anything else but trade at the moment ... so block value is important in that respect ... the higher the block value - the higher the distribution - the lower the value ... the lower block value - the lower distribution - the higher the value ... thats all im saying ... karma has a lot of coin in a lot of hands that is doing nothing more than bagholding at the moment ... i know - im one ... show me some real use for the coin - and ill use it in the best way i can ... like i mentioned earlier in the thread - the direction of karma is wayward and not focused at the moment - which means no matter what statistics anyone show regarding karma - it is moot if we are all holding for something to happen and nothing is actually happening ... i would like to see something better than this current status with the coin - but i cant see it all happening without focused direction ... #crysx |
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Just added and finally have a connection, thanks for the nodes. Thank you very much. The posts you made after my request to post something if you still care about Karma, meant only one thing. Karma and our community is just resting. This is regardless of the content of your post. Now to those who may have trouble synching their newly installed wallets. Kindly try to do the following: in your wallet go to help | debug window | console and type in or copy and paste (ONE AT A TIME PLEASE):addnode 104.243.34.106 add addnode 109.221.15.102 add addnode 122.57.103.228 add addnode 135.0.78.42 add addnode 148.251.126.241 add addnode 167.114.27.241 add addnode 173.58.213.135 add addnode 178.66.92.83 add addnode 188.165.2.147 add addnode 188.226.194.191 add addnode 192.95.29.153 add addnode 204.11.237.233 add addnode 212.198.247.212 add addnode 212.93.100.223 add addnode 24.102.90.154 add addnode 24.15.13.38 add addnode 37.5.13.140 add addnode 5.101.96.124 add addnode 62.221.89.173 add addnode 68.35.218.223 add addnode 72.42.100.141 add addnode 75.119.248.120 add addnode 76.95.178.229 add addnode 80.215.138.166 add addnode 83.104.61.47 add addnode 84.117.113.234 add addnode 86.235.25.22 add addnode 89.11.228.207 add addnode 91.64.54.9 add addnode 95.55.189.156 add addnode 98.94.49.78 add addnode 99.113.26.253 add And hopefully you will soon synch your Karma wallet. By the way the posts also showed the inherent obstacles why Karma development would not be handled by a capable and willing developer of code. To those who don't have the time to search through pages and pages of our history, here they are: 1. Substantial amount of coins are now in the hands of several holders, see the richlist. https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/#!rich2. Progressive and sustained code development for Karma needs time, financial and emotional supports. Which we don't have. 3. Everyone of us, have other priorities, intents, purposes, capacities, willingness and pride that make smooth and continued cooperation to develop Karma difficult to gain. While on the other hand on the technical side of things, we have: 1. limited exchanges and the major one is having difficulties of its own. 2. The coin is now pegged to an also fading coin. 3. The code is littered with bugs that newbies will find annoying to resolve. (Not easy to use) 4. Everything we maintain to keep the Karma system going, costs money. 5. There is no practical use of the coin at the moment. I will not argue with anyone. Let us keep things real, attainable and agreeable. Good Karma guys. Always been here to help. -east |
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to anyone having issues for now, you can find the list of active notes on the blockchain https://chainz.cryptoid.info/karm/#!network click on node list on "node list" of the karma real client = /Satoshi:0.8.6.5/ addnode=136.243.76.100
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Dev here? Or the coin is dead? No strong buy support. Worth buying now?
I went ahead and mined a few of these about a week ago but ended up dumping them as it doesn't appear as though anything is happening with this coin currently. *For future reference, if a coin has this little to no buy support, there's more than likely a pretty good reason for it. Such a shame. This coin was doing so well maybe a year ago. It attracted an large investor who was willing to buy the Karma powered search engine. Then all of a sudden all development died and the coin went downhill from there It is a great shame, Karma was buzzing with a bunch of ideas a year ago, where did it go. lack of support bates ... thats what happens unfortunately when the original dev just fades into the background - and no major takeover is done ... its still alive obviously - with community support ... but no real development and 'fixing' of code ... pity - was a great idea ... #crysx True! Karma was a awesome project, a through the time I offered help but no takers. You offer has always been appreciated and not forgotten. but if i recall you have offered to support services that scryptminer has already in place. Just want to explain the reason why. The moment scryptminer would announce he can't support it anymore i would have contacted you. it just wasnt necessary to have two services offering services to our user base at this time. that is all. i've always been appreciative of your offers. i believe i have told you that if you offer any other services then i would stick it up on the main post and let people know. |
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You offer has always been appreciated and not forgotten. but if i recall you have offered to support services that scryptminer has already in place.
Just want to explain the reason why. The moment scryptminer would announce he can't support it anymore i would have contacted you.
it just wasnt necessary to have two services offering services to our user base at this time. that is all.
i've always been appreciative of your offers. i believe i have told you that if you offer any other services then i would stick it up on the main post and let people know.
Thanks. Ah ok no problem, sometimes it is good to have multiple instances of services running to decentralise things but like you say if the customer base is low no need really. Also quite awhile back I contacted you to ask if you would like access to cryptogiveaways.org alpha and you agreed, the alpha actually opens tomorrow (6th Dec) and I will PM you login details if your still interested. You have and don't think I was being off just don't want to see such a great crypto disappear, when I have some other projects finished I'm going to be dedicating time to KARMA and hope we all can work together and make KARMA strong again |
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East is speaking true words, the issue is that even after one year no one is interested in doing something with Karma, or agreeing on a direction. The problem is the lack of interest and support. I sponsor / run the Karma website/forum and did also run a dedicated block-explorer.
I see plenty ppl complaining and discussion the future or past of Karma, instead if you care why not propose something? I got a few idea's how to get Karma back on track and build something on top of it. However that would requires a few dedicated ppl who can organise themselves
and support the cause. We can easy build a KARMA DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation) where the governance is done by Smart-Contracts. It would take care of all financials without a single person having access to it. It would be complete transparent to everyone and everyone who want to contribute could earn something. As I said, I got a few ideas how to do that and I am even willing to help out but that only works if there is a real interest and ppl who are willing to sponsor their skills and time.
Let me know who got interest and in what capacity
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seriously? ... so all ive said is primarily 'waffle' and didnt actually TELL you what was required and what im willing to do? ... ok - when YOU get serious about it - then i WILL look at it much more seriously also ... you use the words dedicated and interested and organize - yet look over those that are willing to take the time to write not only thoughts - but place the groundwork on what NEEDS to be done in order to get this coin back up ... seriously scryptminer - if you are anything that you say you are - you would have taken what i have written and accepted the fact that without a leader - or at least leadership - this coin and its infrastructure are doomed ... and i dont mean a community group to make decisions - i mean a person or a small team to take the 'bull by its horns' and tackle it head on ... to take ownership of the coin and the infrastructure ... yes a proper takeover ... i have the experience and the know how to stabilize the entire backend - as well as take on the infratstructure as a whole ... i also have the team that would be required to bring such a coin back up - as long as they are willing to eat into more of their time for such a project ... yes - i mean a complete takeover ... but i sure hell wouldnt take on a project like this and 'dedicate' my time effort and money to 'organize' and take it more 'seriously' if i didnt have control of the reins of the coin and infrastructure ... what you are asking is simply - come and show how much time and effort and money you can put in - THEN ill think about building a team to work on the coin ... even then - you are saying that its going to be a decentralized DECISION making process? ... really? ... it is this reason the 'coin' is in the state of affairs it is in - and the same reason that there a re not many people willing to absorb the costs of such a taking ... ownership - leadership - takeover ... they are all one and the same when referring to this coin ... #crysx i think you are misunderstanding the points that east and scryptminer have tried to get across. main east points is that a take over is unnecessary as the people controlling the accounts ( me and East) have always been open to take the direction where ever the community wants, but it has to be a consensus movement, a majority of the active people voicing their suggestion and acceptance on what changes we should endorse. What scryptminer is trying to say is that a simple take over with few people claiming to take over is unnecessary and will bring more un necessary drama. Cryptminer also trying to share his experience that the reason why the focus should be focused there for now is because 1. We (core team) we will support anything that the majority here will want (granted that we will have to evaluate that there is no hidden agenda from those offering to help) 2. There has always been people hyped up to offer tons of opinions but for over a year no one has shown any sign that they would dedicate their time and effort to actually step up and be ready to put actual work. be ready to lead, be ready to do tasks that other need (ie: scryptminer and Little duke projects) Mainly the second point. So far this beloved coin of ours has been able to stay afloat due to empathy from the community, but in reality has not shown any serious paths that would bring an actual usability to this coin other then the current features that other +1000s coins offer as well. Sure we can welcome other people to help update the code and bring the most current coin features that would move us from the typical +1000s coins into the +100s range , but with out proper unique usability then this coin will most likely be worthy of the empathy of the dedicated ones who have been trying to keep it afloat. Yes , eventually the code needs to be updated to fix the magic keys so we wont have network conflicts, possibly rethink the distribution, update to most current stable bitcoin source , implement any features from other coins etc... Sure, most of this will improve the network to better suit the services and user experience. but there lies our real problem. we don't have any real services that are unique to only karma coin. Services that show a good sign that will bring usability to Karma block chain. If the main focus is to implement the newest coin feature on demand right now , this will mostly only prompt a short hype and then back to the same stall effect right now. So hence or real problem is the lack of man power to actually put the work. We have constantly have made this public. We have offered people to come aboard telegram /forum to get active and help brain storm. Scyptminer and TheLittleDuke have offered the lead on their project as long as some people step up and help them with their work. Thankfully scryptminer is still supporting and is still trying to get people to understand that he has some ideas but he would need other to get involved. I have always love to see this coin blossom but from experience being part of it is that it nothing speaks louder then actual work. Proof of man work |
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You offer has always been appreciated and not forgotten. but if i recall you have offered to support services that scryptminer has already in place.
Just want to explain the reason why. The moment scryptminer would announce he can't support it anymore i would have contacted you.
it just wasnt necessary to have two services offering services to our user base at this time. that is all.
i've always been appreciative of your offers. i believe i have told you that if you offer any other services then i would stick it up on the main post and let people know.
Thanks. Ah ok no problem, sometimes it is good to have multiple instances of services running to decentralise things but like you say if the customer base is low no need really. Also quite awhile back I contacted you to ask if you would like access to cryptogiveaways.org alpha and you agreed, the alpha actually opens tomorrow (6th Dec) and I will PM you login details if your still interested. You have and don't think I was being off just don't want to see such a great crypto disappear, when I have some other projects finished I'm going to be dedicating time to KARMA and hope we all can work together and make KARMA strong again yeah , just miss communication. even now i just wanted to be clear why i said then "thanks but lets see how it goes" but if you want to set up any service your still more then welcome. i didnt mean to discourage you but was putting my private input of hey lets see if karma will fight to move forwards before you invest time in it. i guess i should have been more clearer. it was a personal opinion and in no way would indicate the voice of the "core" team. this goes out to anyone out there, if you think of us as overloads then you have not really gotten to know us. We are only cautious of not promoting any thing blindly like we did previously through the social media channels we control. but if you want to launch a service that a user can chose to use or not, i dont see how we could possible censor it.. i think i should clarify who the Core team is now. since i always cringe when people address us as such or i feel i have to use that term to show who i speak for. there are no current real 24/7 coin devs. for some time, if we needed anything i would seek out to my network of what i considered honest devs and ask them to help and most of the time either the (than) 10 active people of the team have been pretty much payed for it. including and a shot out to the ones that also donated for them as well. Unfortunately any real devs that i had the pleasure to discuss have long move to bitcoin projects and other personal involvements. slowly everyone has been less and less active due to personal real life and the lack of real services(well precisely the lack of dedication to help even those who might have a plan but need others to help out) At this moment it is Me and East who control the passwords to the accounts. Not sure if this is clear but in no way we have an authoritarian perspective on how things should be done here. We are not so eager to share access to the people who just promise action but have no real , detailed plans of their proposition. We will gladly update the topics and share on social accounts once we feel it a real effort and not sign of something that can close shop tomorrow. Scryptminer is not considered core team as of now, but they are part of the "consulting team" and frankly they have done most of the work lately and have paid said services themselves. i guess my point , which has alway been of mine, is that perhaps people need to stop looking at the Core team and expect things to just happen. We're always been open about what we are capable of. Who ever says a dev leads the coin to success then they are probably comparing it to a pump and dump success.. Additionally this is an open source so technically we have no power to stop anyone nor would i want that power. All we have is that we have been with karma for so long and we just want to take tons of measures to avoid more drama and just move forwards. i have no objection if you want to launch a service to sell flip flops and want to implement karma in it, i would have objection if you want to fork karma and modify it to better serve your agenda rather than focus to modify it for the greater of all. Hence, as i told LittleDuke, anyone is more then welcome to build anything and any direction they want. but if your intention is to change the source code , then be prepared to provide detailed specification of why , how and how would you get the community to vote on it fairly. |
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Hence, as i told LittleDuke, anyone is more then welcome to build anything and any direction they want. but if your intention is to change the source code , then be prepared to provide detailed specification of why , how and how would you get the community to vote on it fairly.
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You offer has always been appreciated and not forgotten. but if i recall you have offered to support services that scryptminer has already in place.
Just want to explain the reason why. The moment scryptminer would announce he can't support it anymore i would have contacted you.
it just wasnt necessary to have two services offering services to our user base at this time. that is all.
i've always been appreciative of your offers. i believe i have told you that if you offer any other services then i would stick it up on the main post and let people know.
Thanks. Ah ok no problem, sometimes it is good to have multiple instances of services running to decentralise things but like you say if the customer base is low no need really. Also quite awhile back I contacted you to ask if you would like access to cryptogiveaways.org alpha and you agreed, the alpha actually opens tomorrow (6th Dec) and I will PM you login details if your still interested. You have and don't think I was being off just don't want to see such a great crypto disappear, when I have some other projects finished I'm going to be dedicating time to KARMA and hope we all can work together and make KARMA strong again yeah , just miss communication. even now i just wanted to be clear why i said then "thanks but lets see how it goes" but if you want to set up any service your still more then welcome. i didnt mean to discourage you but was putting my private input of hey lets see if karma will fight to move forwards before you invest time in it. i guess i should have been more clearer. it was a personal opinion and in no way would indicate the voice of the "core" team. this goes out to anyone out there, if you think of us as overloads then you have not really gotten to know us. We are only cautious of not promoting any thing blindly like we did previously through the social media channels we control. but if you want to launch a service that a user can chose to use or not, i dont see how we could possible censor it.. i think i should clarify who the Core team is now. since i always cringe when people address us as such or i feel i have to use that term to show who i speak for. there are no current real 24/7 coin devs. for some time, if we needed anything i would seek out to my network of what i considered honest devs and ask them to help and most of the time either the (than) 10 active people of the team have been pretty much payed for it. including and a shot out to the ones that also donated for them as well. Unfortunately any real devs that i had the pleasure to discuss have long move to bitcoin projects and other personal involvements. slowly everyone has been less and less active due to personal real life and the lack of real services(well precisely the lack of dedication to help even those who might have a plan but need others to help out) At this moment it is Me and East who control the passwords to the accounts. Not sure if this is clear but in no way we have an authoritarian perspective on how things should be done here. We are not so eager to share access to the people who just promise action but have no real , detailed plans of their proposition. We will gladly update the topics and share on social accounts once we feel it a real effort and not sign of something that can close shop tomorrow. Scryptminer is not considered core team as of now, but they are part of the "consulting team" and frankly they have done most of the work lately and have paid said services themselves. i guess my point , which has alway been of mine, is that perhaps people need to stop looking at the Core team and expect things to just happen. We're always been open about what we are capable of. Who ever says a dev leads the coin to success then they are probably comparing it to a pump and dump success.. Additionally this is an open source so technically we have no power to stop anyone nor would i want that power. All we have is that we have been with karma for so long and we just want to take tons of measures to avoid more drama and just move forwards. i have no objection if you want to launch a service to sell flip flops and want to implement karma in it, i would have objection if you want to fork karma and modify it to better serve your agenda rather than focus to modify it for the greater of all. Hence, as i told LittleDuke, anyone is more then welcome to build anything and any direction they want. but if your intention is to change the source code , then be prepared to provide detailed specification of why , how and how would you get the community to vote on it fairly. bitwho ... there are many points i could argue here - but i wont ... the state of affairs that karma is in shows exactly where its all sitting - and heading ... the one point i will poke here is simply your comments about those that talk and wont walk ... i have made suggestions - that have fallen on deaf ears ... i have even invoked the fact that i was willing to help - and all you can say is that people just talk - but dont prove ... well - i have nothing to prove to you ... i CAN help - but now i wont ... its a matter of justification my friend ... there is no reason to put my time and effort and expense into a project that is run and controlled by two people - UNLESS - i believe in what those two people are doing ... you talk about openness - yet you have a closed attitude towards those that talk the talk but not walk the walk ... that amazes me mate ... it really does ... i have now helped out - in what ever capacities i could - a few coins and their infrastructure - as well as the devs themselves ... not once have i been accused of just 'talking' - as i prove my worth time and time again ... but i disagree with the way you are operating this project ... and yes - i said OPERATING ... you OWN it when you control the profiles AND the domains AND the infrastructure ... i have suggested a few times here for changes to happen ( look back in previous posts ) and once again ill say - they have fallen on deaf ears ... why? ... because its not the community that force the direction of karma ( as you continuously lead us to believe ) - its the OWNERS ... who are the owners? ... well - look at the last post you made about who controls what ... i really was addicted to the concept of karma - and to the code ... you managed to not only bring in some good people with ideas - and devs with good directions and willing to DO ... but you also scared them all off due to ( what i can only describe ) as your 'open closed method' ... willing ot take advice - but never allowing implementation - and blaming everyone else that they are not 'proving' themselves TO karma ... why on earth would anyone want to do that? ... if the community ( and karma itself for that matter ) wishes to survive and keep going - it requires a dedicated leadership to drive it ... those that CAN - are no longer here ... i would have put myself forward for this also - but as you pointed out - its US that have to prove to KARMA that we are worthy of access ... maybe its about time you changed your whole attitude - as well as the direction this projects is going ... control between the two of you can only go so far ... and so far - it hasnt gone far ... i hope this does well in future - but too many good people are being driven away - so i doubt that will happen ... #crysx |
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hey man , sorry you feel that ways. i dont know where you get the idea that i am controlling... all my point was that when i speak i speak on behalf of myself as a karma enthusiast and as equal to everyone here. I don't recall when you have offered to help before. if i missed things before i apologize for not reading it. only in your recent post do i see that you want to get involved. From the that i got that you want total control of all the resources. and from what i posted is that if you want that , ask the community. we're safe keeping the accounts here(me and East), and not dictating, censoring or any other forms you make it seems like we are. if you want to get access get the rest of the community or at least the majority of the active ones here to agree that they would like to see where you want to take it. i just don't see how you can say i am stopping you or i am giving you that vibe. when i mention the people who dont "walk the walk" it was in regards to why nothing (service wise) is being built. I used two example to show that few people had ideas and possible actual plans but they needed had from community and no one really stepped up (including myself). I wasn't calling you out. I said it in regards to why we are where we are on that level. i did say that most of the things you mention do not necessary need you to have total access to get things started. There are few services that will not be given up to anyone on a whimp. Karma forum : the forum is run and being paid for by scriptminer. it was his work and you should take it up with him if you want access to that. Current website : http://www.givekarma.net/ is also setup and upkept by scryptminer , so same as above karmacoin.me : is controlled by me and its only a domain and i redirect it to givekarma.net the first two services i dont have a say about it and i am sure scriptminer is open to additional help. karmacoin.me is just a domain, kept by me and i redirect it to scriptminer ever since kostmost took down his site. i need to keep this domain alive since it was a lot of work to get all the services that accept karma to change it from the previous old site. it is registered by me , but its the community that can decide what content to have on it or where i redirect it. if you want to set up a site , you will have to clear things out with scryptminer and come to an agreement and have him be okay will me stop redirecting from it as to me it seems unjust to stop redirecting to his. If anything i think you should talk to scriptminer and work with his site. The OP account here , i have no problem sharing the log in details (if the community is okay with you or who ever) The FaceBook groups.. well i can easily add anyone as an admin. The reddit pages just as easy as well.. The source code, that will be the hardest to share. you can gain commit access but it will take time before we can give total access. hope you understand why. To clarify again, we are not owners. we are safe keepers. and i find it bit weird being called out on things that we Own are what is preventing you from working with Karma coin. If you want to build things on top of karma, you can no mater how much you think i will i try to "stop" you. If you want to change the code, well you will have to get consensus from majority of people here , and if you do get that then there is no way for me to stop you if i wanted to anyway. which in reality it would be the opposite of what i would do. if there is consensus then i would be all up for it. if i have objections with your or anyone proposition, i will behave just like anyone one else here in disagreement. i will share my thoughts during the consensus timeframe and only fight you than, not when the majority want it and i don't. Now we can go back and forth all you want, but i dont see how i led you to believe i have power to stop you... edit: the long thing short: if you want something we are controlling, ask the community permission not ours. |
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December 08, 2015, 02:14:17 AM |
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Hence, as i told LittleDuke, anyone is more then welcome to build anything and any direction they want. but if your intention is to change the source code , then be prepared to provide detailed specification of why , how and how would you get the community to vote on it fairly.
"When you name your daemon he will appear" ;-) How's it going Who? not much, just excited to see people here. whats up with you. how are your project going? |
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