[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[pa]

Looks like they finally came to a conclusion.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/cw5kqkv

So, peer reviewed.

Good to see.

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[aerbax]

Looks like they finally came to a conclusion. :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3oi16k/ring_ct_for_monero_a_work_in_progress_comments/cw5kqkv

So, peer reviewed.

Good to see.

Agreed.  And with a great final statement:

One advantage is now Big Brother can't blame me for creating the strongest anonymity :) They can go after you instead :P

[tankist0]

Hrmmm... in my opinion, the "only keep blockchain and run the latest daemon" is a not how these networks were initially designed / envisioned - i.e.,  a full node is one that mines - it can create its own blocks. IMO, A non-mining node is like an auditing relay - for instance, a non mining node will still play a part in the hardfork vote (if I understand things correctly). And if one transacts on a non-mining node, they're also participating more than just keeping a copy.  Indeed, there's a full blown discussion raging about what a node is and how many are needed somewhere in bitcointalk.

"other services outside the box" not entirely sure what you mean. The pool software definitely needs to run on the same silicon.

Welp, I'm designing such a device. It won't be pretty, as they will be handmade (you can do ANYTHING with a dremel!) . I was asking about the SSD because you can get much larger HDs with a HDD, and I'm imagining these devices will just sit next to your router for years, so ideally a 10 year device will be at least 500 gigs.

The 1 TB version i built comes to ~$300 with a 750 ti, so you could get 250 h/s. And these are all retail component costs. Perhaps someday I'd be able to get scale prices somehow. Proper cooling has proven to be a pain - its difficult to find high quality small form factor fans - fans that could last 5 years of constant runtime. And then the question of how loud the fans can be.

Thanks for the clarifications, as I am just an average end-user lacking in-depth knowledge of "how it works". When I was talking about "services" I meant the merchants, whose primary task is handling transactions. If the "boxed" node is cheap, easy-to-setup and has enough power to handle thousands of transactions - I think it might receive popularity. Non-mining node can be also purchased by enthusiasts to support the network health. The key could be in comparing the yearly 24/7 electricity costs of a regular PC (or VPS subscription) VS purchase + running costs of a boxed node.

Now I see - you are trying to build the full node with mining capability. Which is a very complicated task indeed )) Keep up the good work!

[smooth]

The key could be in comparing the yearly 24/7 electricity costs of a regular PC (or VPS subscription) VS purchase + running costs of a boxed node.

The electricity costs on these low end nodes can be extremely low, especially without mining (with mining, the mining revenue, even if small, should offset some of the cost). For example, a Raspberry Pi 2 runs a Monero node reasonably well and uses about 2 watts. So something like 3 USD per year. The more powerful nodes use more power but even at 30 USD per year that's still reasonably favorable compared to a VPS or a regular PC.

[superresistant]

Quite funny, i noticed that i am a Senior Member by now and secondly i just found out that i am the only full node in my country  
Both findings make me kind of proud yeeeaaahhhhh  

reminded by that graph that there's no presence in south america.

Well that's kind of sad if you take in consideration the naming of MONERO. Maybe we should host a VPS there....

There is a node in Brazil now. I'm surprised there's not at least a few between Mexico and South America. It seems like the most frequent visitors to #monero-pools on IRC are spanish speaking people looking for help. Maybe they all just mine straight to exchange though...or they're all actually the same person...or something.

Yeah I got Spanish speaking people PMing me on IRC but it has often nothing to do with XMR, they just want to be friend...
No idea how they ended up here and why they want to be friend.

[binaryFate]

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Yeah I got Spanish speaking people PMing me on IRC but it has often nothing to do with XMR, they just want to be friend...
No idea how they ended up here and why they want to be friend.

You're cute!
They probably just want to scam you...

[MoneroMooo]

I added to /etc/environment the line: LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" and restarted the system.

Now "cd bitmonero/build/release/bin/ && ./bitmonerod" the pan shows a lots more ;-)

Could you give me the exact content of LC_ALL and LANG on your system, before this change ? This could help in fixing the problem in the first place.

Thanks

[smoothie]

Sorry if this is a huge post of info below. I just thought to share with others what a 10 XMR + 200 Mixin transaction looks like in json format.

This is just 1 of 5 total transactions it took to successfully send 10 XMR with 200 mixin on testnet. It broke it up into 5 separate transactions and committed them individually with its own transaction hash.

This portion of the transaction was ~53KB


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[binaryFate]

This portion of the transaction was ~53KB

Looks to me like ~27K characters, in hexa, that's ~13.5KB

[smoothie]

This portion of the transaction was ~53KB

Looks to me like ~27K characters, in hexa, that's ~13.5KB

my mistake. I was taking the size of the entire output of print_tx <tx>.

[GingerAle]

Lets make it rain when 0.9 comes!

https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/2407/make-it-rain-on-the-devs-when-0-9-is-released

( also gives everyone a reason to buy some more cheap coinzzz )

[americanpegasus]

Holy shit, 200 mixin?  Isn't it pretty unfeasible to ever trace a transaction even after just 3 mixin?  
  
200 is like breaking matter down to quarks and reassembling it.  

[BitmoreCoin]

Holy shit, 200 mixin?  Isn't it pretty unfeasible to ever trace a transaction even after just 3 mixin?  
  
200 is like breaking matter down to quarks and reassembling it.  

If there are many transactions, it is difficult to trace after 3 minxin.

[binaryFate]

If there are many transactions, it is difficult to trace after 3 minxin.

The number of transactions happening on the network has nothing to do with that.

[luigi1111]

The 1 TB version i built comes to ~$300 with a 750 ti, so you could get 250 h/s. And these are all retail component costs. Perhaps someday I'd be able to get scale prices somehow. Proper cooling has proven to be a pain - its difficult to find high quality small form factor fans - fans that could last 5 years of constant runtime. And then the question of how loud the fans can be.

No fan lasts that long.

5 years? Sure they do. I have a server from 2009 that's been running essentially 100% of the time (still running now) with no fan failures. I have desktops from 2003 that have been running more or less all the time (not 100%, but almost certainly >80%) with fans that appear to still be working well enough. One of them did recently die on me.

[medusa13]

there is some limit on the size, but funny it still fits with mixing 200. dont know how big the limit is.

unfortunately, the small accident that happend to me did also wipe out my testnet coins and there was no backup for them, i had around 150k
but there was a testnet faucet once, dont know if it still exists.

or you just let it run with one thread for some time and you will have enough too.

was there any load test for any cryptonode coin? should we do one?  
it must no be on testnet, because maybe we should roll back after we are done.

i always wanted to do this

it always looks like BCN could be attackable like this? so many coins still fee is 0.01

there is something like a transaction backlog in monero too, how big can it be? how can i see its size?

[medusa13]

btw i have been thinking about a small good2go node too, what do you guys think about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c2CxuFzKtI

would fit me better compared to a raspberry i think.

both the XU4 and the C1+ seem cool.

or maybe better a Banana pi, since it has a sata II port directly on the board?

[americanpegasus]

Hey all, CES 2016 in Las Vegas is having a Digital Money Forum.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/10/20/huge-ces-2016-to-host-the-digital-money-forum/

If I can qualify for a media badge I'll be there regardless, but I'm wondering if we should try to have an even greater presence there?  I can discuss Monero on the floor with some people there (and don't worry, suit only - no Halloween costumes but they say if you want to speak formally to contact them.  I'm willing to do it, but my technical understanding of Monero is still being polished. I know that fluffyponyza gave a great presentation at least once at a bitcoin conference and wonder if it would also be appropriate here.

[chennan]

Hey all, CES 2016 in Las Vegas is having a Digital Money Forum.

http://www.newsbtc.com/2015/10/20/huge-ces-2016-to-host-the-digital-money-forum/

If I can qualify for a media badge I'll be there regardless, but I'm wondering if we should try to have an even greater presence there?  I can discuss Monero on the floor with some people there (and don't worry, suit only - no Halloween costumes but they say if you want to speak formally to contact them.  I'm willing to do it, but my technical understanding of Monero is still being polished. I know that fluffyponyza gave a great presentation at least once at a bitcoin conference and wonder if it would also be appropriate here.

I say you should do it! Personally, I couldn't think of a better person to represent Monero... I would just try to get a very good understanding of what you're trying to talk about and accomplish by going there.  If it's just getting people aware of a new digital cash for the ages, with a twist of entertainment, I think you got it in the bag.

[americanpegasus]

Assuming that the Shadowcash developers aren't already anonymously contributing to Monero code, would there be any support for a bounty to possibly lure some of them in to our side?  
  
I think others have confirmed that though they may be misguided about their POS/POW launch, they seem to be legitimate people who aren't outright trying to scam anyone.  Would their talents have any use, and if so, are we prepared to compensate them at all for the enormous financial hit they might take by abandoning their baby?  
  
The more legitimate talent we can bring into the Monero-sphere the better of the project (and the world) will be.  It's going to take a *lot* of momentum and force to catch up to bitcoin and we could use all the help we can get.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999789.msg12570030#msg12570030