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July 12, 2014, 03:26:02 PM |
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Why don't you just put it in your signature and participate in the discussion ? Spamming is not effective for pool promotion. This is good advice trampk. For example superrisistant is not on ignore. But you are.
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sonoIO
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The socialism doesn't need to be omniscient. Fact is we can study history and see what happens every time. The masses ride the socialism all the way down until it comes after them too. Then war and chaos. Then reset.
It is a bit more complex. You are speaking of effects the socialism does in a corrupted society. I don't live long enough to know better but, concluding from most extreme cases of today, socialism is exploated to buy in more than critical mass of ppl - and then majority defend status quo at which all society is locked in. This buying in works at exponential expansion periods, but only that lock disable society to reorganize quickly with corrections, which then may lead to less predictable consequences to say the least ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) EDIT: I believe certain level of socialism is excellent, see some northern EU nations for example, but it has to be transparent to mitigate corruption where it is not working that well.
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July 12, 2014, 05:09:48 PM |
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Why there’s so much PR about Monero? If a thing is really worthy, it does not need so much noise around it. Looks kinda suspicious - like there are things behind all this that Monero devs would like to hide.
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July 12, 2014, 05:11:37 PM |
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Why there’s so much PR about Monero? If a thing is really worthy, it does not need so much noise around it. Looks kinda suspicious - like there are things behind all this that Monero devs would like to hide.
How many accounts did you bought for your FUD campaign? Do you really think this works? Why are you fighting against XMR? What is your problem?
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July 12, 2014, 05:20:34 PM |
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Why there’s so much PR about Monero? If a thing is really worthy, it does not need so much noise around it. Looks kinda suspicious - like there are things behind all this that Monero devs would like to hide.
Care to tell us what PR you observe?
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July 12, 2014, 05:26:50 PM |
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Why there’s so much PR about Monero? If a thing is really worthy, it does not need so much noise around it. Looks kinda suspicious - like there are things behind all this that Monero devs would like to hide.
Care to tell us what PR you observe? Perhaps he means to ask why we don' t roll over for his smear campaign. Perhaps he is too accustomed to pump/dump scams to recognize when educated and intelligent people are genuinely enthusiastic about a project of general benefit to all.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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July 12, 2014, 05:32:59 PM |
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Why there’s so much PR about Monero? If a thing is really worthy, it does not need so much noise around it. Looks kinda suspicious - like there are things behind all this that Monero devs would like to hide.
Seriously, just stop feeding the trolls, it solves nothing.
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July 12, 2014, 05:36:00 PM |
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Nazis and ancaps alike will benefit from transactional privacy. A truly subversive and disruptive crypto will end up being used by even those very tyrants who would most like to strangle it. I like the insight embodied in the twisted phrase: Power co-opts; absolute power co-opts absolutely. It is awful when that inexorable dynamic works against you, and deleriously wonderful when its potency is in your favour.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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July 12, 2014, 05:45:18 PM |
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For some reason while running and CPU mining Monero my anemic computer has recently been behaving itself to the point that I tried running a work program at the same time that I had difficulty with previously as it needs to send and receive information in a timely manner. An hour later and not even a hiccup. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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July 12, 2014, 06:07:49 PM |
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Europe is in a much worse condition than the USA due to its ridiculously high levels of socialism
I am of a pragmatic bent. Rather than blame ideology I prefer to observe mechanics. I think you, AnonyMint, often miss opportunities to usefully educate because you over-use polarizing category language, to which most minds are hardened. I am sure that Deng "Little Pheonix" would back me, in that it doesn' t matter whether the debt-backed fiat-slavery regime and socialization of losses are imposed by a dictatorship of the proletariat or by the regulatory capture of crony capitalists, if the outcomes are similar. The whole planet is subject to common driving forces these days, due to increased interlinking bandwidth on all levels of organization, from material goods to physical/ chemical energy, to financial flows, to informative signals, to emotive zeitgeist -- even genetic transmission and familial ties are global now. This results in a remarkable synchronization. North American, European, East Asian and even Australian economies and societies share similar liabilities of energy-draining rentiers, compliant brainwashed and transfer payment co-opted masses, captive rigidly ossifying regulatory regimes, and exponential debt explosion. Japan and China face the same end-game now. Japan is likely to be the first to feel the brunt, and China may be the last. The lesser rigidity and inertia of smaller, more isolated, and less developed polities will make them relative havens. I think of Africa, Southeast Asia, and South America here - but even there the implosion of Kissinger's dollar system will make itself unpleasantly felt. I consider Chile a pretty good bet, among the nation-states.
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Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a Poisson distribution and he eats at random times independent of one another, at a constant known rate.
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July 12, 2014, 06:20:32 PM |
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I am of a pragmatic bent. Rather than blame ideology I prefer to observe mechanics. I think you, AnonyMint, often miss opportunities to usefully educate because you over-use polarizing category language, to which most minds are hardened. I am sure that Deng "Little Pheonix" would back me, in that it doesn' t matter whether the debt-backed fiat-slavery regime and socialization of losses are imposed by a dictatorship of the
Often libertarian use "socialist" for everything that isn't libertarian. it's a problem of language but crony-capitalism is definitively the outcome of failed socialist nation (Russia, China, France...). But some state in US have an hight rate of cronyism of some country in Europe have a low rate of cronyism.
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July 12, 2014, 06:26:25 PM |
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Europe is in a much worse condition than the USA due to its ridiculously high levels of socialism
I am of a pragmatic bent. Rather than blame ideology I prefer to observe mechanics. I think you, AnonyMint, often miss opportunities to usefully educate because you over-use polarizing category language, to which most minds are hardened. I am sure that Deng "Little Pheonix" would back me, in that it doesn' t matter whether the debt-backed fiat-slavery regime and socialization of losses are imposed by a dictatorship of the proletariat or by the regulatory capture of crony capitalists, if the outcomes are similar. The whole planet is subject to common driving forces these days, due to increased interlinking bandwidth on all levels of organization, from material goods to physical/ chemical energy, to financial flows, to informative signals, to emotive zeitgeist -- even genetic transmission and familial ties are global now. This results in a remarkable synchronization. North American, European, East Asian and even Australian economies and societies share similar liabilities of energy-draining rentiers, compliant brainwashed and transfer payment co-opted masses, captive rigidly ossifying regulatory regimes, and exponential debt explosion. Japan and China face the same end-game now. Japan is likely to be the first to feel the brunt, and China may be the last. The lesser rigidity and inertia of smaller, more isolated, and less developed polities will make them relative havens. I think of Africa, Southeast Asia, and South America here - but even there the implosion of Kissinger's dollar system will make itself unpleasantly felt. I consider Chile a pretty good bet, among the nation-states. I have enjoyed reading AnonyMint's posts, but you hit the nail on the head with my bolded comment. That is the problem I have with his posts (and I'm not saying this in an attacking way.) but when we break a complicated thing called life into just a few groups, we are missing the picture. There is still a lot of information and truth in his posts, so I take a J. Krishnamurti approach of "seeing the truth in the false", so to speak. Further, polarized thinking makes us rather predictable, non-creative, non-free thinking, followers, easy to direct/control and on and on. I mean it takes away the dynamic nature of being a human BEING. It makes us into the very dichotomies of those that create them. (A bit hard for me to English this.) It is like culture, religion, tradition, "education", language, etc. Use all of what we are... Appreciate your posts on XMR, Its about sharing
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BTC = Black Swan. BTC = Antifragile - "Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty. Robust is not the opposite of fragile.
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July 12, 2014, 06:51:57 PM |
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Europe is in a much worse condition than the USA due to its ridiculously high levels of socialism
I am of a pragmatic bent. Rather than blame ideology I prefer to observe mechanics. I think you, AnonyMint, often miss opportunities to usefully educate because you over-use polarizing category language, to which most minds are hardened. I am sure that Deng "Little Pheonix" would back me, in that it doesn' t matter whether the debt-backed fiat-slavery regime and socialization of losses are imposed by a dictatorship of the proletariat or by the regulatory capture of crony capitalists, if the outcomes are similar. The whole planet is subject to common driving forces these days, due to increased interlinking bandwidth on all levels of organization, from material goods to physical/ chemical energy, to financial flows, to informative signals, to emotive zeitgeist -- even genetic transmission and familial ties are global now. This results in a remarkable synchronization. North American, European, East Asian and even Australian economies and societies share similar liabilities of energy-draining rentiers, compliant brainwashed and transfer payment co-opted masses, captive rigidly ossifying regulatory regimes, and exponential debt explosion. Japan and China face the same end-game now. Japan is likely to be the first to feel the brunt, and China may be the last. The lesser rigidity and inertia of smaller, more isolated, and less developed polities will make them relative havens. I think of Africa, Southeast Asia, and South America here - but even there the implosion of Kissinger's dollar system will make itself unpleasantly felt. I consider Chile a pretty good bet, among the nation-states. I have enjoyed reading AnonyMint's posts, but you hit the nail on the head with my bolded comment. That is the problem I have with his posts (and I'm not saying this in an attacking way.) but when we break a complicated thing called life into just a few groups, we are missing the picture. There is still a lot of information and truth in his posts, so I take a J. Krishnamurti approach of "seeing the truth in the false", so to speak. Further, polarized thinking makes us rather predictable, non-creative, non-free thinking, followers, easy to direct/control and on and on. I mean it takes away the dynamic nature of being a human BEING. It makes us into the very dichotomies of those that create them. (A bit hard for me to English this.) It is like culture, religion, tradition, "education", language, etc. Use all of what we are... Appreciate your posts on XMR, Its about sharing Sometimes ridged black and whites are accurate. Libertarians particularly are often accused of polarized thinking however almost all human interactions can be neatly categorized into the ones where one party is either bonking, or threatening to bonk the other party over the head and ones were neither are doing this. This is very black and white thinking and often a very useful line of thought. Of course this isnt a rebuttal to what you are saying because you didnt claim anything to the contrary of what i just said, i just thought it was an interesting point.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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July 12, 2014, 06:57:18 PM |
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In my opinion, the problem is not black and white thinking but incoherence. You can't debate with somebody who call flawed logic "moderation"...
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July 12, 2014, 07:48:48 PM |
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The devs have themselves to blame for this. There have been several people who volunteered to build a modern user friendly and highly polished website and have been refused in this thread. With the devs saying "we don't need help, we are almost done with a new website...". Yet weeks go by and nothing happens. So I think taking responsibility for over promising or under delivering, which ever it is, would go a long way to dispelling the "dev's can't deliver" observations. To your second point: why would a competent core team, skilled and knowledgeable in C / C++, low-level networking, mathematics, and cryptography ever be capable of being excellent web developers? You seem to conflate the two.
I think it would be tough to argue that we're anywhere close to the level of Mark Karpeles or pirateat40 or, say, the developers of a cryptocurrency with an 82% premine.
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July 12, 2014, 07:50:11 PM |
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The devs have themselves to blame for this. There have been several people who volunteered to build a modern user friendly and highly polished website and have been refused in this thread. With the devs saying "we don't need help, we are almost done with a new website...". Yet weeks go by and nothing happens. So I think taking responsibility for over promising or under delivering, which ever it is, would go a long way to dispelling the "dev's can't deliver" observations. To your second point: why would a competent core team, skilled and knowledgeable in C / C++, low-level networking, mathematics, and cryptography ever be capable of being excellent web developers? You seem to conflate the two.
I think it would be tough to argue that we're anywhere close to the level of Mark Karpeles or pirateat40 or, say, the developers of a cryptocurrency with an 82% premine.
Why would someone need permission from the devs to build a website? Anyone can build any wensite they want about anything they want any time they want.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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July 12, 2014, 07:52:55 PM |
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The devs have themselves to blame for this. There have been several people who volunteered to build a modern user friendly and highly polished website and have been refused in this thread. With the devs saying "we don't need help, we are almost done with a new website...". Yet weeks go by and nothing happens. So I think taking responsibility for over promising or under delivering, which ever it is, would go a long way to dispelling the "dev's can't deliver" observations.
Please link me to the first post where we "refused" help. You claim that "weeks go by", so I'm assuming you'll link me to a post in May, or maybe early June? Without that your post is supposition and nonsense. We have only said "don't stress, we are working on it" when we have been...well...working on it.
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July 12, 2014, 08:44:32 PM |
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Why don't you just put it in your signature and participate in the discussion ? Spamming is not effective for pool promotion. Why not? your signature I saw just now. Or are you worried that your visitors will get tired of the pool with Fee 2%. Advantage of your pool only that he appeared before, now he appeared he would have no interest
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July 12, 2014, 09:17:15 PM |
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in order to send some coins i must type the receiver address by hand?
I cant get ctrl+v or right click paste to work?
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