[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[Monkeyseemonkeydo]

What the necessity to implement i2p? I don't see the point to make this integration as well as CryptoNote dev team.
Brandon Hawking has written his thoughts about i2p on the forum - https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=205#p670

This has been discussed at length, it's to ensure that (generally speaking) an attacker can't determine if you are using Monero or not.

We're not beholden to what the CryptoNote academics believe, so whilst any input they have to offer is always appreciated, we've already diverged far from their reference code, and will continue to do so as we fix deficiencies in their protocol (some of which were highlighted in the Monero whitepaper review).

Still, I don't understand the reason to implement i2p to the coin. Wouldn't it better to listen to Cryptonote academics as they have created this technology and no one knows it as well as they.

i2p, of course, has pros but I wonder if the patterns are used above correct for their intended purposes? Does the FoxyProxy setup in any way open up for attacks?

I2P is pretty much mandatory for any anonymous coin, according to what others said(anonymint), I2P is the most important thing that ensures a coins anonymity.

It can be a true but not for CN-based coins. And it uses a lot of RAM and, furthermore, there are ways in which users can fail to secure their I2P connection.

[Joshuar]

I do find it extremely odd...that the people who made cryptonote, never acknowledged themselves until other cryptonote coins were made, besides bytecoin which was premined...

And I also find it unnerving that the real bytecoin devs never even acknowlegded themselves or anything at all....what was the point of premining bytecoin then...

Anyway, thank god for Monero!

[Monkeyseemonkeydo]

Wouldn't it better to listen to Cryptonote academics as they have created this technology and no one knows it as well as they.

Considering we don't know who the hell they are and can't verify any of their claims or intentions, I would say no. A thousand times no.

Or at least I would say not to trust anything they say. Listen sure. We always do that.

BTW, I2P will add NAT traversal, something that doesn't exist on any other coin as far as I know beyond the limited case of UPNP. It isn't the only way to do that but it is part of that value added.

Just read your post.

We don't know a lot other people in crypto currency world, we even don't know who is Satoshi but he some-how forced people to believe in Bitcoin and nowadays Bitcoin is liquid.

As well as there is no point to trust them they've done nothing wrong to make us not believe in their words.
They are the founders of CryptoNote tech and maybe in token of respect we'd better to listen to their words?!

[smooth]

We don't know a lot other people in crypto currency world, we even don't know who is Satoshi but he some-how forced people to believe in Bitcoin and nowadays Bitcoin is liquid.

Satoshi was actually around and communicating with well known people when Bitcoin was released, and he worked collaboratively with well known people to further develop the code, demonstrating obvious intimate familiarity with the code and its thereby authenticating his authorship. If I'm not mistaken a lot of his stuff was PGP signed as well.

These cryptonote people just sort of showed up after some other random guys on the BCE (Bytecoin the bitcoin clone) thread started talking about (BCN) Bytecoin. Most of their posts are extremely vague, high level in nature, and often philosophical rather than making the sort of in-depth technical points that would demonstrate any deep knowledge (the I2P post being one example).

As well as there is no point to trust them they've done nothing wrong to make us not believe in their words.

Trust must be earned, though actions and independent verification of claims, especially when anonymous people on the internet can do or claim anything they want.

They are the founders of CryptoNote tech and maybe in token of respect we'd better to listen to their words?!

If they can authenticate any of this, then sure. Otherwise it is just a bunch of guys (or maybe even just one with a bunch of puppets -- we have no idea) on a website that showed up a few months ago.

And as I said, we always listen. Even anonymous people on the internet with no verification of their claims can offer valuable input.

[Joshuar]

We don't know a lot other people in crypto currency world, we even don't know who is Satoshi but he some-how forced people to believe in Bitcoin and nowadays Bitcoin is liquid.

Satoshi was actually around and communicating with well known people when Bitcoin was released, and he worked collaboratively with well known people to further develop the code, demonstrating obvious intimate familiarity with the code and its thereby authenticating his authorship. If I'm not mistaken a lot of his stuff was PGP signed as well.

These cryptonote people just sort of showed up after some other random guys on the BCE (Bytecoin the bitcoin clone) thread started talking about (BCN) Bytecoin. Most of their posts are extremely vague, high level in nature, and often philosophical rather than making the sort of in-depth technical points that would demonstrate any deep knowledge (the I2P post being one example).

As well as there is no point to trust them they've done nothing wrong to make us not believe in their words.

Trust must be earned, though actions and independent verification of claims, especially when anonymous people on the internet can do or claim anything they want.

They are the founders of CryptoNote tech and maybe in token of respect we'd better to listen to their words?!

If they can authenticate any of this, then sure. Otherwise it is just a bunch of guys (or maybe even just one with a bunch of puppets -- we have no idea) on a website that showed up a few months ago.

And as I said, we always listen. Even anonymous people on the internet with no verification of their claims can offer valuable input.

I never thought about it that way "Otherwise it is just a bunch of guys (or maybe even just one with a bunch of puppets -- we have no idea) on a website that showed up a few months ago.", that is true, I could make a website myself and claim to be satoshi without any evidence whatsoever, doesnt make my claim valid.

[Monkeyseemonkeydo]

Ok. But still I didn't get the answers to my questions and there is no evidence to proof the necessity to integrate i2p to the coin

i2p, of course, has pros but I wonder if the patterns are used above correct for their intended purposes? Does the FoxyProxy setup in any way open up for attacks?

[fluffypony]

Ok. But still I didn't get the answers to my questions and there is no evidence to proof the necessity to integrate i2p to the coin

i2p, of course, has pros but I wonder if the patterns are used above correct for their intended purposes? Does the FoxyProxy setup in any way open up for attacks?

I literally answered your question earlier:

This has been discussed at length, it's to ensure that (generally speaking) an attacker can't determine if you are using Monero or not.

FoxyProxy is centralised using their servers, it's not a decentralised solution to masking traffic.

[smooth]

Ok. But still I didn't get the answers to my questions and there is no evidence to proof the necessity to integrate i2p to the coin

The whole premise is absurd. There doesn't need to be proof of necessity to add a feature.

[5w00p]

how profitable is monero mining compared to x11 algo coins mining ? i think it's a lot more profitable no ?

Short answer: Yes

Don't go telling the whole interwebz about it, though, okay?! 

[kd5zgl]

At risk of being flamed for 'doesn't belong in this thread', etc., I've been wracking my brains all day trying to figure out a rather cryptic (to me, anyway) remark made earlier by Nekomata:

You are not even a good troll, at least remove your obvious affiliation in your sign, btw no one seriously invested in crypto is worried about the devs github, as happened with doge if they shot themselves in the foot there is no coming back and there is always new coin, of course by now most investors already got a grip that XMR devs are serious and for real committed doing something really worth.

I agree with all you say here regarding XMR (there, I'm in the right thread) but I'm curious about 'doge shot themselves in the foot'. Did doge devs do something weird on github? Thx.

[5w00p]

At risk of being flamed for 'doesn't belong in this thread', etc., I've been wracking my brains all day trying to figure out a rather cryptic (to me, anyway) remark made earlier by Nekomata:

You are not even a good troll, at least remove your obvious affiliation in your sign, btw no one seriously invested in crypto is worried about the devs github, as happened with doge if they shot themselves in the foot there is no coming back and there is always new coin, of course by now most investors already got a grip that XMR devs are serious and for real committed doing something really worth.

I agree with all you say here regarding XMR (there, I'm in the right thread) but I'm curious about 'doge shot themselves in the foot'. Did doge devs do something weird on github? Thx.

I think he means that the developers did not put much effort or thought into the coin's parameters, since it was originally launched as a tongue-in-cheek memecoin.  Basically, it was a joke, in every sense of the word, right from the genesis block.

[kd5zgl]

Ah, very thanks, many understand, woof!

[binaryFate]

At risk of being flamed for 'doesn't belong in this thread', etc., I've been wracking my brains all day trying to figure out a rather cryptic (to me, anyway) remark made earlier by Nekomata:

You are not even a good troll, at least remove your obvious affiliation in your sign, btw no one seriously invested in crypto is worried about the devs github, as happened with doge if they shot themselves in the foot there is no coming back and there is always new coin, of course by now most investors already got a grip that XMR devs are serious and for real committed doing something really worth.

I agree with all you say here regarding XMR (there, I'm in the right thread) but I'm curious about 'doge shot themselves in the foot'. Did doge devs do something weird on github? Thx.

I think he means that the developers did not put much effort or thought into the coin's parameters, since it was originally launched as a tongue-in-cheek memecoin.  Basically, it was a joke, in every sense of the word, right from the genesis block.

Isn't it also the infinite block reward that came as a surprise to most holders?

[David Latapie]

Looking through your website: monero.cc, I've found this one: Monero Starter Pack.
But the last update was May 18.
Do you still plan to update it?

No. We removed it some weeks ago, but someone asked to have it included back, so we did.

[Crypto_EX]

how profitable is monero mining compared to x11 algo coins mining ? i think it's a lot more profitable no ?

Short answer: Yes

Don't go telling the whole interwebz about it, though, okay?! 

trust me, i wont !

lol

[owlcatz]

Just read your post.

We don't know a lot other people in crypto currency world, we even don't know who is Satoshi but he some-how forced people to believe in Bitcoin and nowadays Bitcoin is liquid.

As well as there is no point to trust them they've done nothing wrong to make us not believe in their words.
They are the founders of CryptoNote tech and maybe in token of respect we'd better to listen to their words?!

Lol. did you even read the btc whitepaper?... obviously not!

[owlcatz]

how profitable is monero mining compared to x11 algo coins mining ? i think it's a lot more profitable no ?

Short answer: Yes

Don't go telling the whole interwebz about it, though, okay?! 

trust me, i wont !

lol

as iv'e stated before, i have 1 amd r9 270x and i get about .5 xmr a day. fuck nicehash lol...

[wpalczynski]

Hey,

What software are you using to GPU mine?

Cheers!

how profitable is monero mining compared to x11 algo coins mining ? i think it's a lot more profitable no ?

Short answer: Yes

Don't go telling the whole interwebz about it, though, okay?! 

trust me, i wont !

lol

as iv'e stated before, i have 1 amd r9 270x and i get about .5 xmr a day. fuck nicehash lol...

[Anon136]

Ok. But still I didn't get the answers to my questions and there is no evidence to proof the necessity to integrate i2p to the coin

i2p, of course, has pros but I wonder if the patterns are used above correct for their intended purposes? Does the FoxyProxy setup in any way open up for attacks?

With out it people could know who made what transactions just by logging network traffic and seeing what ip address transactions originated from. Sure you could use a proxy or run your own traffic through i2p or tor or something manually, but other people who failed to do this would compromise the security of others by to deduce information more easily. Having it built in will mean that everyone uses it and then everyone is better off.

[pönde]

Bytecoin (BCN) was not fairly distributed. Monero has network effect going for it in the cryptonote space.

Forget about MonetaVerde, since it seems to be dead. I committed the error of investing some money on that.

Thanks.

https://cryptonote.org/
Bytecoin (BCN)
Aeon (AEON)
Boolberry (BBR)
Dashcoin (DSH)
duckNote (XDN)
Fantomcoin (FCN)
MonetaVerde (MCN)
OneEvilCoin (OEC)
Quazarcoin (QCN)

Ok. Bytecoin and MonetaVerde out. What about these other coins with mixing transactios? I am still holding only Bitcoin and Monero.