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[aminorex]

Well, thanks, at least some recognition

Are you Andrey Sabelnikov?  I know I've asked before, but it's interesting, and if you're not, it doesn't reduce your anonymity set significantly to say so.  Even Satoshi was willing to say that he is not Dorian Nakamoto.

At this point, unless you say that you are not, I will conclude that you are.  It in no way impugns your code, and I've done crazier things myself than those which Andrey is most famous for, so I don't think it should undermine confidence in your work, or the coin upon which you focus, if you are in fact Andrey.  It is open source, widely reviewed, and your work speaks for itself. 

(Frankly I think persistent anonymity is more dangerous to BBR than any colorful personal history could be.  That BBR is able to maintain as much value as it has (at least recently) despite the uncertainty overhang of your anonymity is a testament to the confidence placed in open source review, and in the quality of your work, a confidence which your identification could not feasibly undermine in a persistent material way.  But that's just my opinion.)

[denned]

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[aminorex]

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I am opposed to users taking this without a prior blessing from a core member.

[rdnkjdi]

I havent read the cryptonote scandal thread yet, I guess it must be pretty horrible if to be on it would be such a bad thing. Usually if you are part of the original dev team for a project, that's a positive.

I guess the whole, it was around for 2 years but nobody ever knew anything about was pretty scammy and near impossible.

The attacker against all cryptonotes might have won a small victory, but crisis unites family. I am tremendously glad that both XMR and BBR key peoples are making happy talk and cooperating.

This failed attack and quick response has gained the respect of the crypto community, as few other altcoins have the tech depth for such a quick isolation and fixing of such bugs. Now maybe some dont believe me, but you can all believe the market. When the BBR it is zooming, the XMR actually gained more in marketcap. Of course, not in percentage terms as the 10x gain in a week is just a snapback from the severe artificial devaluation. But XMR gained more than $1 mil marketcap during BBR surge. What is good for BBR is good for XMR and what is good for XMR is good for BBR. Also, during this crisis, BBR lost almost 20%. What is bad for XMR is bad for BBR and what is bad for BBR is bad for XMR.

These are things self-evident to me. Also what is clear is that the core contributors to both XMR and BBR are NOT the source of any of this FUD fued. Just like neither are the source of this attack. Unless the cryptonote guys are also insane and stupid, they have no motivation to harm any of the cryptonotes.

So, I suggest to listen to Risto's wise comment about following the money. Which camp has most to lose from a united cryptonote brothers?
The answer is that it is certainly not any cryptonote, so whoever this external attacker is, they have done us a big favor. The XMR and BBR are now brothers cooperating to the fullest. One's success is the other's success. To attack the other is to attack one's own self.

So anybody that is supposed to be on the side of XMR and is attacking the BBR is now exposed to be enemy agent. The actions they speak louder than words. Once these vermin are shunned from both communities, then we can aim for both getting the big fast market revaluation.

James

You like listening to yourself talk ....

[Nekomata]

XMR is the future.

[aminorex]

Boolberry is now freaking suspicious, not only it has been pumped to top of polonix volume but the attack coincided with this.

No. No fucking way. Let's stop those insinuations right here!

There is no evidence that BBR has anything to do this, and you're doing XMR a huge disservice by implying this.

In addition, you completely lose the right to complain about anti-Monero FUD if you spread FUD yourself.

If you have any hard evidence, present it. If you don't, stop spreading FUD. It's really that simple.

While I agree with you, you must admit that the trolls and hacks have created an environment of suspicion, and it is natural that the anonymous dev, for whom there is in fact a fair body of circumstantial evidence of participation in the original cryptonote implementation, should attract that suspicion.  I'm hoping that CZ will dispell some of the FUD around BBR.  If people frankly voice their concerns, they may be dispelled more promptly.  You help by rightly observing there is a lack of material evidence for this specific suspicion, but the factors which allow suspicion to fester in the background remain, and getting them aired out may disinfect.

[Chicken76]

Could someone from the development team update the first post of this thread with information about which pools are confirmed to be on the right fork and safe to point miners to?

[jl777]

Well, thanks, at least some recognition

Are you Andrey Sabelnikov?  I know I've asked before, but it's interesting, and if you're not, it doesn't reduce your anonymity set significantly to say so.  Even Satoshi was willing to say that he is not Dorian Nakamoto.

At this point, unless you say that you are not, I will conclude that you are.  It in no way impugns your code, and I've done crazier things myself than those which Andrey is most famous for, so I don't think it should undermine confidence in your work, or the coin upon which you focus, if you are in fact Andrey.  It is open source, widely reviewed, and your work speaks for itself. 

(Frankly I think persistent anonymity is more dangerous to BBR than any colorful personal history could be.  That BBR is able to maintain as much value as it has (at least recently) despite the uncertainty overhang of your anonymity is a testament to the confidence placed in open source review, and in the quality of your work, a confidence which your identification could not feasibly undermine in a persistent material way.  But that's just my opinion.)

I can confirm I am not Andrey Sabelnikov

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

While I agree with you, you must admit that the trolls and hacks have created an environment of suspicion, and it is natural that the anonymous dev, for whom there is in fact a fair body of circumstantial evidence of participation in the original cryptonote implementation, should attract that suspicion.  I'm hoping that CZ will dispell some of the FUD around BBR.  If people frankly voice their concerns, they may be dispelled more promptly.  You help by rightly observing there is a lack of material evidence for this specific suspicion, but the factors which allow suspicion to fester in the background remain, and getting them aired out may disinfect.

When you have a couple hours, pop in The Candidate, starring Joan Allen.

[smoothie]

XMR is exciting.

So much emotion and entertainment around.

Funny to see all the anti-XMR trolls out and about.

I'll be waiting to buy on a dip for XMR when trading opens.

 

[dEBRUYNE]

XMR is exciting.

So much emotion and entertainment around.

Funny to see all the anti-XMR trolls out and about.

I'll be waiting to buy on a dip for XMR when trading opens.

 

Would be funny if we don't even see a dip 

[smooth]

Well, thanks, at least some recognition

Are you Andrey Sabelnikov?  I know I've asked before, but it's interesting, and if you're not, it doesn't reduce your anonymity set significantly to say so.  Even Satoshi was willing to say that he is not Dorian Nakamoto.

At this point, unless you say that you are not, I will conclude that you are.  It in no way impugns your code, and I've done crazier things myself than those which Andrey is most famous for, so I don't think it should undermine confidence in your work, or the coin upon which you focus, if you are in fact Andrey.  It is open source, widely reviewed, and your work speaks for itself. 

(Frankly I think persistent anonymity is more dangerous to BBR than any colorful personal history could be.  That BBR is able to maintain as much value as it has (at least recently) despite the uncertainty overhang of your anonymity is a testament to the confidence placed in open source review, and in the quality of your work, a confidence which your identification could not feasibly undermine in a persistent material way.  But that's just my opinion.)

He doesn't have to answer that, of course.

Your point that anonymity raises trust and reputational risks is valid, but if he's willing to pay that price, it's his choice.

Some of us here on the Monero team are anonymous, at least mildly so. Arguably the project would benefit reputationally if more of us weren't, but that's a choice we make.

[smooth]

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I am opposed to users taking this without a prior blessing from a core member.

No such blessing. I have no idea what that is, but I most certainly don't recommend downloading it.

[smooth]

It's a new codebase, and it was inherited from an unknown set of developers whose motivations, competence, and trustworthiness are unknown.

Motivations are unknown.

Competence is by this point somewhat known, and appears mixed.

Trustworthiness is well known and is anything but favorable.

Caveat emptor.

[dga]

I guess the whole, it was around for 2 years but nobody ever knew anything about was pretty scammy and near impossible.

It was not around for two years. Read the thread.

Thank you for your support during our recent challenge and generally.

I think you both agree.  If you read his statement with some quote marks:

I guess the whole "it was around for two years but nobody ever knew anything" [thing] was pretty scammy and near impossible.

you're in violent accord.

[smooth]

I guess the whole, it was around for 2 years but nobody ever knew anything about was pretty scammy and near impossible.

It was not around for two years. Read the thread.

Thank you for your support during our recent challenge and generally.

I think you both agree.  If you read his statement with some quote marks:

I guess the whole "it was around for two years but nobody ever knew anything" [thing] was pretty scammy and near impossible.

you're in violent accord.

Yes, you are correct. James, I misunderstood and agree with your perspective. i will delete my post but the content of it remains here.

[Este Nuno]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

The XMR distribution obviously had some minor issues which don't need to be brought up again. And I'm not here to say anything negative about XMR in anyway(in fact while I'm here, congrats devs on handling this attack well) but it's probably best just to stick to facts.

[blaaaaacksuit]

I'm a bit confused here, can I do anything with my coins right now or do I have to wait for a new wallet rebuild, and then resync first?

[rpietila]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

Hah, contradiction already in the second line. Sorry to say but your logic has been going down since last year. 

[equipoise]

I'm a bit confused here, can I do anything with my coins right now or do I have to wait for a new wallet rebuild, and then resync first?

If you are on the correct blockchain you are fine and you could send and receive XMR. If you are not in a hurry you could wait the fix to be released first.