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July 25, 2014, 10:00:50 PM
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swearing does not help, and if you talk quietly would make it easier to understand you, agree with you but I think I overdid it in his tone of writing
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July 25, 2014, 10:03:31 PM
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all things has cleared
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July 25, 2014, 10:06:17 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnYj5G7gBeXIdGtHam1UOXlDaDR6VFFZMGp3bVRnSHc&usp=sharing#gid=4

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July 25, 2014, 10:09:56 PM
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yeah 60% get the community WHEN ALL 3500 IPO PLACES ARE FILLED!
Everyone get only 1 stake and there was 3500 ipo places and only 1200 are filled!

This mean from the 60% are only 20% filled, where will go the missing 40% of all coins from the ipo?
i understand to the dev team.  Roll Eyes

Like my 96% from my stake because i send my account number to late (1-12 month before the launch)
ok its plausible

i wait 48 hours for my btc back (you have my adress) when i not get my btc back than everyone from the dev team will get 100 negative trusts
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July 25, 2014, 10:14:38 PM
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yeah 60% get the community WHEN ALL 3500 IPO PLACES ARE FILLED!
Everyone get only 1 stake and there was 3500 ipo places and only 1200 are filled!

This mean from the 60% are only 20% filled, where will go the missing 40% of all coins from the ipo?
i understand to the dev team.  Roll Eyes


Like my 96% from my stake because i send my account number to late (1-12 month before the launch)
ok its plausible

i wait 48 hours for my btc back (you have my adress) when i not get my btc back than everyone from the dev team will get 100 negative trusts

you really need read more, man ........
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July 25, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
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@ifightformerkel

Calm down. I understand you are angry but spreading FUD isn´t the answer.


About the calculation:

1200(stake) x 500 000(coin) = 600 000 000




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July 25, 2014, 10:46:33 PM
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OMG... whenever something goes not to somebody's liking the devs are to blame!

@ lightformerkel


Here's an quick update:

It was decided that Node issues only 1341 stakes!

Each stake should mathematically have 447427 nodes! But after a while it was decided to raise that amount to 500 000 nodes per stake! And the difference will be filled from the Late fee and Puppet removal!

Now the post that i presume you missed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.msg7597054#msg7597054

It was announced, and the community accepted this initiative!

Basically we were acting, upon the rules that were set!



If you don't agree with that statement, it is ok, ask the community to release you from that obligation! Explain your case and let the people who believe in the community, believe in you!

If you think that driving unwanted attention to yourself, will create a better situation, then you are deeply mistaking!

Its up to you!

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July 25, 2014, 11:07:30 PM
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@ People that are very angry that we aren't or didn't launch yet!!


So this is the approximative estimation: We are 10% and 4 days apart from ending the Puppet Deflagration!

There are 7 cases that are left to submit for the committee to review!

You can see that here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnYj5G7gBeXIdGtHam1UOXlDaDR6VFFZMGp3bVRnSHc&usp=sharing#gid=7

And hopefully 3-5 more appeals to investigate!

I think the committee will need a day or two to investigate the already submitted cases!


I believe that we will begin the distribution right after we post the puppet free list! which will occur not latter than on 30/07!!!

I will get back with 100% sure info, within a few days!

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July 25, 2014, 11:09:01 PM
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i believe in @ lightformerkel

in my opinion .. give 100 % of him stake ...

1 vote + ...
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July 26, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
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I agree with you. All other coins have deadline for claiming a stake at least a month or two after the launch. Why the hell Node had a deadline a month before the launch?

As an example Qora has been launched on May 16. Some people didn't claim their stakes yet and it's ok, they still have time although 2.5 months past since the release.

this mean the community get only about 20% of all Nodes, where are the other 80%?


Slow down, dude. Devs stated a long time ago that 60% goes to investors no matter what.

As for size of members' stakes I think there should be no late fees at the moment. Simply because it's not late. The coin hasn't been launched yet. How could it be too late to claim your stake before the release?  Smiley

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July 26, 2014, 07:33:26 AM
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OMG... whenever something goes not to somebody's liking the devs are to blame!

@ lightformerkel


Here's an quick update:

It was decided that Node issues only 1341 stakes!

Each stake should mathematically have 447427 nodes! But after a while it was decided to raise that amount to 500 000 nodes per stake! And the difference will be filled from the Late fee and Puppet removal!

Now the post that i presume you missed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.msg7597054#msg7597054

It was announced, and the community accepted this initiative!

Basically we were acting, upon the rules that were set!



If you don't agree with that statement, it is ok, ask the community to release you from that obligation! Explain your case and let the people who believe in the community, believe in you!

If you think that driving unwanted attention to yourself, will create a better situation, then you are deeply mistaking!

Its up to you!


Ok, thx for the Link, yesterday SillkRoad write me because iam to late and he give me only 20 000 Nodes because the rule and send me this link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.1700
but there stand nothing.

btw. the information that everyone get only 1 stake and all 3500 ipo placed must be filled stand also here (a longer time ago), so i think it was still actually.

thx for believing

i write SillkRoad yesterday that i was glad that iam in this big project from beginning,
i also wanted to make promtion (i can make it happen that when Node is released it will be @ the biggester german altcoin blog)
but than i dont read this thread every week and than this happen, that i get only 4% of my stake, thats make me a little bit sad and also angry.

So is there a possibility to get 1 normal 100% stake?
because with 20 000 nodes it will be dont worth for me to stay here, the giveaway was already 5 000 nodes.

btw. i made nothing wrong, i have only 1 account, i sent you the ipo money, i make a account number and send it to you
my mistake was that i dont read this thread every weak.
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July 26, 2014, 08:33:43 AM
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OMG... whenever something goes not to somebody's liking the devs are to blame!

@ lightformerkel


Here's an quick update:

It was decided that Node issues only 1341 stakes!

Each stake should mathematically have 447427 nodes! But after a while it was decided to raise that amount to 500 000 nodes per stake! And the difference will be filled from the Late fee and Puppet removal!

Now the post that i presume you missed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590421.msg7597054#msg7597054

It was announced, and the community accepted this initiative!

Basically we were acting, upon the rules that were set!



If you don't agree with that statement, it is ok, ask the community to release you from that obligation! Explain your case and let the people who believe in the community, believe in you!

If you think that driving unwanted attention to yourself, will create a better situation, then you are deeply mistaking!

Its up to you!


Koop it is not 1341 stakes anymore, so yes 447427, was the number, then you raised it to 500,000 as an estimate.

Now how many stakes are there? Much more than a third of the 1341 stakes are now gone. That's over 30 to 40% of the stakes. you raised the number of NODE each stakeholder that is left by only 11.7500732%. Our number of NODE per stake should raise by whatever percentage would make it so that the stakeholders that are left would still be receiving 60% of all NODES.

Please tell us you are not sticking with 500,000 per stake, as this would reduce the 60% number drastically.

Please tell us you will just do the math and give us the correct amount of NODE per stake as to stick with the 60% PROMISE!!


Thank you in advance as I am sure you guys are men of your word, as this is one of the major factors in the value of the coin (honest devs)

At launch, if investors see that you were very agressive to get rid of sockpuppets only to raise your share of NODE, this will hurt NODEs value to that investor greatly. Surely, you cant expect investors to be attracted to a coin in which the devs stole their stakeholders % of the coin right before launch.

I am not accusing you of doing this, I'm just saying that it would be in NODEs best interest, and put the REAL stakeholders that have stuck with you for many hard months, at ease by saying so.

Please clarify this. The sooner the better. Because the looks of it now, the number has flip flopped, 60% to the devs and 40% to the stakeholders, if we were to stick with the 500,000 number.

Thank you KOOP!!!
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July 26, 2014, 09:46:17 AM
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Where do I download?

The Client will be released shortly after the launch!


Are the stakes distributed today?


the ETA was still 20.07!?  Cool

Unfortunately we had to push the deadline!

We can't proceed to the next step before we completely deal with the Puppet deflagration!

Please bear with us!
Are the stakes distributed today?


the ETA was still 20.07!?  Cool


Nobody know it??

yep..

already knew they weren't gonna do as they said when i read the announcement..

They are still working on the puppet removal.
We have to have a little more patience  Cool

what do you meaning "We have to have a little more patience" ? hours, days, weeks, or months like Exo?  Cheesy

Hopefully it will take less than a week!

We can't just proceed to the distribution, when a lot of puppets are still under the question mark!!!

Where do I download?

The client is already ready for download?

Everything will be available shortly after launch! After we proceed to the Distribution and Launch!


Any ETA established now?
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July 26, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
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I can't calculate the exact amount upfront! We will know the exact numbers after the puppet removal!

But i can state 1 fact: 60% out of 1Bil belongs to the NODE Members! (600 000 000)! No matter what!

Also 500 000 stays 500 000! It won't decrease!

So to bust some myths that are going trough people's minds:

 WE ARE NOT RAISING OUR SHARES! 60% stays 60% or 600 000 000!




I will go back in time and i will remind (or inform ) with some pace changing events:

- We initially stud to gather 3500 Members! But the community proposed and alternative, and to end the IPO at 1341stakes with a auction.
-That auction ended with selling more than the fixed amount of stakes! (1400+). At that time to keep the same amount of coins of 447427, and not delude the already set number (600mil/1341), we promised to include the extra stakes in to the 1341 limit, by removing the puppets.
- After a while we encountered a bug, and had to delete the user base! We Pm our members, to make new accounts, and then set a deadline and a penalty for not complying. (this lasted a month+)
- That penalty LINK was set, and the community accepted this initiative! That measure was necessary in order to speed up things, and commence to the distribution and launch! The only downsize of the penalty, is that if you haven't made an account till 27/06 you will be left with a minimum of 20 000 after 10+ days of being late! And the rest of the coins will be distributed to the community. (The coins won't go in to the dev's pocket). I do agree that 20 000 out of 447 427 is harsh, but this accounts for many variables. Some people already forgot that they invested, other might be puppet accounts! Others will remember after an half of year that they are a member, early birds that only wrote "interested" and forgot about the project, etc. And an other frame factor was that after the coin get's on the market the value of 20 000 might be equal or surpass the initial investment.

- After a while we announced an increase from 447427 to 500 000 Nodes per stake! The logic behind this action was as follows:
 at that time we had approximatively 130+ late accounts (members that didn't create an account) and they were subjected to the minimum amount of coins due to being late. So we made some math and we got extra coins for the community. Also we assumed that the member list had 80-100 puppets! But we did not expect it to be higher!

- We were ready to launch, and to do that we had to quickly go trough the puppet removal! We thought it will last +/- one week! But then again, when we started analyzing the list we were shocked! Especially the case when a Chinese guy had 45 puppets... really... 45!!!

Now we are a few days apart from finishing that step > and we will be on our way to the launch!



Regarding the 20 000 Minimum! What do you guys think??? Should we keep this penalty??? Or should we increase the minimum guaranteed amount!

My personal opinion about this is that if we keep the coins for those that are late in to claiming their stakes, it will only hinder the further distribution of coins!

I would like to hear your opinion about this!


@ ifightformerkel - As i see the community has nothing against you keeping that stake! In this case, to make is fair for everyone, we will remove the penalty for all those that were late till this moment.

@Terrible - Puppet removal Deadline was se 30/7! After that the things will start rolling! I will update everyone, and set 100% sure, terms closer to 30th.

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July 26, 2014, 10:21:18 AM
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Hi ! I'm MedianP, member 1166, account : 1815282168349150134.

I tought every member would get 5000 nodes as you said previously but I didn't received anything yet and 2 months passed now, any updates ?
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July 26, 2014, 10:52:55 AM
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Regarding the 20 000 Minimum! What do you guys think??? Should we keep this penalty??? Or should we increase the minimum guaranteed amount!

My personal opinion about this is that if we keep the coins for those that are late in to claiming their stakes, it will only hinder the further distribution of coins!

I would like to hear your opinion about this!


@ ifightformerkel - As i see the community has nothing against you keeping that stake! In this case, to make is fair for everyone, we will remove the penalty for all those that were late till this moment.


Thank you, i appreciate it.
And big thanks @ the community.
I hope Node will be released soon, so the promotion to this coin can start (through twitter and blogs).
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July 26, 2014, 11:12:08 AM
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@Sword555

I can't calculate the exact amount upfront! We will know the exact numbers after the puppet removal!

But i can state 1 fact: 60% out of 1Bil belongs to the NODE Members! (600 000 000)! No matter what!

Also 500 000 stays 500 000! It won't decrease!

So to bust some myths that are going trough people's minds:

 WE ARE NOT RAISING OUR SHARES! 60% stays 60% or 600 000 000!



Yes, you can't calculate it yet. we understand that, but you can tell us the number will be calculated and you will give us the extra coins up to the 60%

I think what sword was saying is that the 500,000 will have to INCREASE to keep the 40% to the dev promise.

Correct? or where are all the extra coins going. Give them to the loyal, REAL stakeholders.

Can you verify this?
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July 26, 2014, 11:14:32 AM
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Regarding the 20 000 Minimum! What do you guys think??? Should we keep this penalty??? Or should we increase the minimum guaranteed amount!

My personal opinion about this is that if we keep the coins for those that are late in to claiming their stakes, it will only hinder the further distribution of coins!

I would like to hear your opinion about this!


@ ifightformerkel - As i see the community has nothing against you keeping that stake! In this case, to make is fair for everyone, we will remove the penalty for all those that were late till this moment.


Thank you, i appreciate it.
And big thanks @ the community.
I hope Node will be released soon, so the promotion to this coin can start (through twitter and blogs).

Do you have an ETA for Node?
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July 26, 2014, 11:19:01 AM
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I am so happy with how the thread is going now.

It is like night and day compared to two weeks ago when REAL NODE members were infighting.

This is heating up to be quite a launch!!!

What things are we going to do post launch to promote NODE. Have we thought of this?
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we need ture time!
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