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December 12, 2014, 07:14:17 AM |
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I have a question, who decided on the 500,000 nodes threshold for forging? Shouldn't it be a tiered system where more % is earned based on the amount of connectivity the user is donating + amount of node within their tier? Tiers being similar to the tax brackets.
If 500k is the starting point, doesn't this just parallel our current shitty money system where the rich get richer and there is a gaping hole of a middle class? I would think a tiered system would be more fair, or useful to all. Correct me if I'm wrong or missing the big picture all together.
I thought about this too...and I think you are right |
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December 12, 2014, 07:16:29 AM |
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I have a question, who decided on the 500,000 nodes threshold for forging? Shouldn't it be a tiered system where more % is earned based on the amount of connectivity the user is donating + amount of node within their tier? Tiers being similar to the tax brackets.
If 500k is the starting point, doesn't this just parallel our current shitty money system where the rich get richer and there is a gaping hole of a middle class? I would think a tiered system would be more fair, or useful to all. Correct me if I'm wrong or missing the big picture all together.
We have already announced that in the future this amount will be reduced in proportion to the growth of NodeNet. We fundamentally don't do multi-level network, 'cause in this case NodeNet loses its flexibility - only the peer network has a future. Even in real life to earn you need to make at least a minimal effort. Even to win the lottery, you need at least to buy a lottery ticket  The middle class - it's the biggest hard workers, they knows the value of effort  So 500,000 it is not a million bucks yet, today it is less than $ 100 - the sum is more than equal to middle class guys who prefer to earn, rather than to receive |
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Nodeclub
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December 12, 2014, 07:41:28 AM |
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I sold And bought and sold and bought. Now I have 3 times what I started with. Thanks dumpers!  Enjoy the moment Nevertheless, I'd recommend to keep 500,000 of earned funds on your online wallet 'cause it will benefit both you and others. You will help support the network and can thus earn without any risk of losing your investment. |
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Paramon
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December 12, 2014, 08:20:28 AM
Last edit: December 12, 2014, 10:35:34 AM by Paramon |
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Ok, I'm finally accumulating a decent balance from my bter withdrawals into my wallet. To forge, all I need to do is login and log out? Or do I have to stay logged in?
I see guys have already answered you If you or anybody else have 500,000 and stable access to the Internet, I'd highly recommend to keep it on your own wallet. Today Anrdew (Paramon) told me that he forged 100,000 in less than 3 weeks (7981595429821076186). I've had my wallet open with 500,000 node running 24/7 with minimal downtime and have forged less than 8,000 node. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if he's just exploiting the system. I do not think so. As far as I know, Andie launched his client on a dedicated server at a good channel. Most likely, his client keeps more stable connection with the others. Yes I running node 7/24 on windows azure. My uptime 17 days + every day I have small transaction from bter (1.5k-2k). Yes, I said to NodeClub that I find almost every 3 block per day and that my account has been increased by more than 100K NODE. But not all the money extracted forging. I did not think that it will be published on the forum. I would like to clarify. Real statistics for forge in my account 7981595429821076186: Found: 89 blocks Total fee forged: 25879.15682 NODE Forged fee: MIN 0.00001 MAX 2501.86645 AVG 290.77704 BTW I will give access to the api from my node where anyone will be able check forging block for any account number (login will be not required) soon. |
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GreenDude
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December 12, 2014, 12:18:26 PM |
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Nice nice.. Keep the good work. |
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December 12, 2014, 12:41:29 PM |
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cant open new windows client ,when i try to open it flashes and disapiers .Didnt have any problems with older clients
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Paramon
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December 12, 2014, 12:54:42 PM |
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cant open new windows client ,when i try to open it flashes and disapiers .Didnt have any problems with older clients
You can tray remove(move) db files from "C:\nxtl\db" folder. |
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gosuturtle2
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December 12, 2014, 02:03:06 PM |
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I have a question, who decided on the 500,000 nodes threshold for forging? Shouldn't it be a tiered system where more % is earned based on the amount of connectivity the user is donating + amount of node within their tier? Tiers being similar to the tax brackets.
If 500k is the starting point, doesn't this just parallel our current shitty money system where the rich get richer and there is a gaping hole of a middle class? I would think a tiered system would be more fair, or useful to all. Correct me if I'm wrong or missing the big picture all together.
We have already announced that in the future this amount will be reduced in proportion to the growth of NodeNet. We fundamentally don't do multi-level network, 'cause in this case NodeNet loses its flexibility - only the peer network has a future. Even in real life to earn you need to make at least a minimal effort. Even to win the lottery, you need at least to buy a lottery ticket The middle class - it's the biggest hard workers, they knows the value of effort So 500,000 it is not a million bucks yet, today it is less than $ 100 - the sum is more than equal to middle class guys who prefer to earn, rather than to receive Oh okay, that makes sense thanks for clearing it up. |
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December 12, 2014, 02:46:45 PM |
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cant open new windows client ,when i try to open it flashes and disapiers .Didnt have any problems with older clients
You can tray remove(move) db files from "C:\nxtl\db" folder. i cant even open the client ,it keeps dissapiering |
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Paramon
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December 12, 2014, 03:09:23 PM |
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cant open new windows client ,when i try to open it flashes and disapiers .Didnt have any problems with older clients
You can tray remove(move) db files from "C:\nxtl\db" folder. i cant even open the client ,it keeps dissapiering If Yes, please give more info.(Windows version etc...) |
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Nexxie
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December 12, 2014, 03:36:02 PM |
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Can you give a little more information about the mac client? Will users be able to use real coins? etc. Best regards |
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NOjust
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December 12, 2014, 03:47:01 PM |
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Can you give a little more information about the mac client? Will users be able to use real coins? etc. Best regards anyone has tested this version? stable is need. |
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BEATNIK
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December 12, 2014, 05:02:56 PM |
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Can you give a little more information about the mac client? Will users be able to use real coins? etc. Best regards anyone has tested this version? stable is need. Mac Os 10.9 / 10.10 everything works perfectly  |
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Paramon
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December 12, 2014, 05:37:30 PM |
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Can you give a little more information about the mac client? Will users be able to use real coins? etc. Best regards anyone has tested this version? stable is need. Mac Os 10.9 / 10.10 everything works perfectly I have only 10.10 I test (and build) client only on it when develop. It didn't work on mac below 10.7
Can you give a little more information about the mac client?
Will users be able to use real coins? etc.
It will be (must be) same functionality as Windows and Linux |
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l8orre
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December 12, 2014, 07:12:44 PM |
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so what if I run two nodes and have them forge on the same account?
will that give collisions, or will that account simply gather more blocks?
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December 12, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
Last edit: December 12, 2014, 08:00:29 PM by TheRealSilk |
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so what if I run two nodes and have them forge on the same account?
will that give collisions, or will that account simply gather more blocks?
Your time will be considered for only one running client However, you can run two different wallets, provided that it will be located on different servers |
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Hueristic
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December 13, 2014, 05:40:17 AM |
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Both the experts I talked to and members of the stellartalk.org forum mentioned one section of the code as the key change to the code:
+ // move on asap if we are behind
+ // If 80% of the nodes on your UNL have moved on, you should declare consensus
+ if (((currentFinished * 100) / (currentProposers + 1)) > 80)
+ {
+ CondLog (forReal, lsWARNING, LedgerTiming) <<
+ "We see no consensus, but 80% of nodes have moved on";
+ failed = true;
+ return true;
+ }
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+ if (currentAgreeTime <= LEDGER_MIN_CONSENSUS_TIME)
It cannot be confirmed that this was the cause of Stellar's problems, but it does confirm that the code was changed since Stellars' fork from Ripple, and does seem to match up with the issue. The Ripple explanation on why this issue doesn't affect them included node behavior, behavior that appears to have been modified. |
“Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.”
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l8orre
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December 13, 2014, 07:41:45 AM
Last edit: December 13, 2014, 07:52:19 AM by l8orre |
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Your time will be considered for only one running client
However, you can run two different wallets, provided that it will be located on different servers
Thanks, that is reasonable! Just important to know that there won't be any conflicts. I have another Question, sorry for not asking, it occurred to me only later. When I am not comfortable to put my passphrase in a plaintext file ( clientConfig.js ), can I just put the real password in there, start node, and then take the password out again to not keep it there? Depends on whether node accesses it repeatedly or only at boot, I guess... I'll just give it a try! |
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TheRealSilk
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December 13, 2014, 10:02:38 AM |
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Your time will be considered for only one running client
However, you can run two different wallets, provided that it will be located on different servers
Thanks, that is reasonable! Just important to know that there won't be any conflicts. I have another Question, sorry for not asking, it occurred to me only later. When I am not comfortable to put my passphrase in a plaintext file ( clientConfig.js ), can I just put the real password in there, start node, and then take the password out again to not keep it there? Depends on whether node accesses it repeatedly or only at boot, I guess... I'll just give it a try! You can enter the password via the web interface |
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