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Author Topic: Does martingale really works?  (Read 123253 times)
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June 04, 2015, 08:16:06 PM
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In my experience,no it doesn't work

It would work if you had infinite bank,but that's not the case unless you do it with tiny amounts
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June 05, 2015, 01:38:22 AM
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We need to learn from our mistakes.
No martingale again, never gamble more than you can afford to lose.

Yes we need to learn from our mistakes but in gambling its hard to control that people addicted to it. Only capital will control them, people sure never

satisfied about their winning, they want to win again and again.


In my experience,no it doesn't work

It would work if you had infinite bank,but that's not the case unless you do it with tiny amounts

Nope arallmuus stated that already in the previous page. So the answer is no although you had some infinite bank

having "infinite" balance and martingale-ing 1 satoshi bet might not bust you out then you are wrong on this, there is a chance that you will bust and ofcourse risking alot just to gain 1 satoshi is stupid enough
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June 05, 2015, 01:55:34 AM
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I wonder why doesn't a strategy to start martingale after 15 losses be successful if your bankroll can cover upto 20 losses. This way their strategy will be able to take up to 35 losses.

If you only start after 15 losses, you will be starting 32k times less often than if you start right after your last loss. You will win 32k times slower than if you didn't wait to play. And when you do start to play your likelihood of seeing a streak of length 35 will be 32k higher than if you didn't wait to play (since you already saw 15 in a row, which in itself is a 1-in-32k event).

Lots of people play exactly like that, waiting for N losses in a row before martingaling. It's exactly as -EV as not waiting. You can expect to lose 1% of everything you wager.

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June 05, 2015, 03:00:54 AM
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If it did work, I think everyone would be doing this right..  Cheesy
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June 05, 2015, 03:49:41 AM
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is that a serious question??
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June 05, 2015, 03:50:31 AM
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If it did work, I think everyone would be doing this right..  Cheesy

It sometimes works but it doesnt mean it will give profit all the time. Atleast in my case

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June 05, 2015, 05:20:05 AM
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Chance to lose certain amount of times in a row is linearly corresponding to the total number of times you roll the dice. The more you roll, the bigger is the chance to have many times in a row winning/losing sequence. 10x times in a row is a very small value and expected very quickly. I believe that on the old JD site there were several people with > 30x times in a row winning/ losing sequences, the biggest was something between 32x and 35x in a row sequence, can't remember how much exactly.

There is indeed just one 30+ streak on the old JD, after billions of bets.
The longest and second longest losing streak is 32 and 27 bets long respectively, while the longest winning streak is 30 bets long.
The full details can be found in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=610339.msg7060900#msg7060900.

I wonder why doesn't a strategy to start martingale after 15 losses be successful if your bankroll can cover upto 20 losses. This way their strategy will be able to take up to 35 losses.

Because it makes no sense, lets not talk about the time (it would take you probably months to even make 0.001 bitcoins doing that since you have to bet millions of times) but it would be the same. Imagine we can martingale only until 2 losses. The chances would be like this (assuming its red (R) and black (B) like a roulette)

RR
RB
BB
BR

So thats 4 possibilities 25% each which means 25% chances of loosing 2 times in a row

If you instead wait 1 lost bet before betting:

RRR
RRB
RBR
RBB
BBB
BBR
BRB
BRR

thats 8 possibilities which mean a 12.5% chances of loosing 3 times in a row, 12.5% is way lower thann 25% its half but it just doesnt matter lets say you are betting on red and you get this one a black now its time to bet again from start and start martingale but your chances would still be 25% chances of loosing the next 2 bets

If you get a black first the possibilities were:


BBB
BBR
BRB
BRR
So now

BB
BR
RB
RR

You have this possibilities (25%) so you are just wasting more time for nothing.
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June 05, 2015, 06:14:27 AM
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My experience with martingale was catastrophic.

I was happy in the start, as I was winning.
And then, BANG! I got a lose streak.
I never tried martingale again.

I increases the chances to win small amounts while it does the same for losing large amounts!
i used to do martingale betting a lot, i used to leave the page open for hours betting and every time the result was the same as before.
at first there are wins and win streaks are small, like 6-7 in a row
after that the losing streak starts, and that is when i lost 20 times in a row and my balance was zero

We need to learn from our mistakes.
No martingale again, never gamble more than you can afford to lose.
why everyone say no martingale? its a good strategy you just need to use it with mind and dont play too much
because everybody has tried Martingale method at least once in their gambling journey. and when you use a method you can learn it's weaknesses and decide about how to use it.

when you use this method, you will always lose at some point and that loosing will be hard enough that will cause you to decide that it is enough martingale for me.

it has nothing to do with your mind your what you plan, even if you don't play many times, you will lose at some point and give up afterwards.

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June 05, 2015, 09:06:43 AM
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Most sites also have limits on how much one can bet, so it is not like this would be +EV even if we had infinite money on those sites.

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June 05, 2015, 09:16:39 AM
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Most sites also have limits on how much one can bet, so it is not like this would be +EV even if we had infinite money on those sites.

Yep lol the question of infinite money is another one but if a whale had more than the sites bankroll the site would eventually go bust lol so marimfail is a bad tactic

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June 05, 2015, 09:18:03 AM
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If you go martingale with 0.00000001 btc (1 satoshi)
you will need 10,73741824 btc to withstand a 29 loose streak!
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June 05, 2015, 11:30:42 AM
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If you go martingale with 0.00000001 btc (1 satoshi)
you will need 10,73741824 btc to withstand a 29 loose streak!

Actually you would need to bet 2.68435456 Btc to sustain a 29 lose streak but thats not the problem the problem with betting 1 satoshi is that you would need to bet 2 MILLION times to get 0.01 profit if you didnt bust, even with the best scripts, bots it would take you wayy to much time, better bet  0.2 at 95% and you get 0.01 in 1 bet if you win, the risk is the same but you save time.
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June 05, 2015, 12:22:26 PM
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I'm not intelligent or bothered enough to read up & try to understand the Martingale method.
When I play dice I only play with small amounts for fun any way so it's not like I need to study desperately hard to win as some kind of life or death situation.
I respect you guys for researching & finding a method if it works, I can't be bothered though.
Where do you guys play dice? I've had most luck on https://dadice.com

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June 05, 2015, 01:33:56 PM
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Here's the result of a simple python script.
After 100 million rolls, I got a 28 maximum loose streak.
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June 05, 2015, 01:40:14 PM
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Everyone who has been a part of any gambling site must have tried martingale. so i just wanted to know your experience that have u ever gained profit from martingale? or its name should be changed to martinfail?

I'm agree, the name must be changed for Martinfail.

One time i was making martingale at 95% to win, i was sure to lost 4 consecutive times was imposible Tongue but then it happen, 5 consecutive loss at 95%.

and i have another experience with that betting method, once at bones, martingale to win x2.5 i make 0.3 from 0.02... and then all gone.


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June 05, 2015, 02:30:30 PM
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If it did work, I think everyone would be doing this right..  Cheesy

It sometimes works but it doesnt mean it will give profit all the time. Atleast in my case

Martingale is always work but in the end you will always lose all your money so better just do it with luck. Dont depends too much on any gambling method because there are no methods that really can earn you more money
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June 05, 2015, 03:01:17 PM
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Everyone who has been a part of any gambling site must have tried martingale. so i just wanted to know your experience that have u ever gained profit from martingale? or its name should be changed to martinfail?

I'm agree, the name must be changed for Martinfail.

One time i was making martingale at 95% to win, i was sure to lost 4 consecutive times was imposible Tongue but then it happen, 5 consecutive loss at 95%.

and i have another experience with that betting method, once at bones, martingale to win x2.5 i make 0.3 from 0.02... and then all gone.



But all the strategies should be named fail because all of them suck, people just complain about martingale because its the most famous one but it doesnt matter, one thing is sure, if you want to make x profit, instead of using martingale and waiting hours to get there just bet on the necessary odds with 1 bet and save yourself time, the odds would be the same.

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June 05, 2015, 05:29:42 PM
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so if I have .5 btc to work with how much can I make .1 btc using it?
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June 05, 2015, 05:46:05 PM
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so if I have .5 btc to work with how much can I make .1 btc using it?
Pantheon if your aim is to make 0.1 BTC from that 0.5 BTC. I would suggest just making 2 bets at 90% and stopping after that. Because if you start from a small amount as 0.0001 . You will bust in less than 12 rolls, which can very well happen in a few hundred rolls. Martingale is usually worth with a large bankroll even then there is a big risk . Starting with 0.5 BTC will bust you much before you make any serious money with it.
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June 05, 2015, 05:55:28 PM
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so if I have .5 btc to work with how much can I make .1 btc using it?
Pantheon if your aim is to make 0.1 BTC from that 0.5 BTC. I would suggest just making 2 bets at 90% and stopping after that. Because if you start from a small amount as 0.0001 . You will bust in less than 12 rolls, which can very well happen in a few hundred rolls. Martingale is usually worth with a large bankroll even then there is a big risk . Starting with 0.5 BTC will bust you much before you make any serious money with it.

The first part is true but saying martingale is "worth" with a large bankroll is wrong, doesnt matter your bankroll the risk is always the same with any strategy the only thing it changes is the time, as you said betting at a higher % to grt your profit and go away is. Better than martingaling all the way up since it would take more time, the risk is esentially the same tho.
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