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July 20, 2014, 08:13:43 PM
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Thank you for the update synechist, what may help is having a laymen explanation of all the amazing features of XC.

I have a feeling that for a lot of investors English is not their first language, also we have a lot of new investors who are trying to get a grip of all the terminology.

It would help to have a definition for each item.

multipath is .... splitting transactions into fragments so that nobody can tell how much you send or receive from a given party.

multinode is ..... sending transaction fragments to multiple other nodes instead of sending all the fragments to just one node. This prevents someone adding up the fragments and then identifying which address the node forwarded this amount to.

mixing is ..... when a node receives a fragment it then forwards it onto the next node from a different address to the one it was received from, so that nobody can connect the receipt of coins from the sending onward.

trustless mixing is ...... when a node mixes and forwards a transaction without being able to steal the coins.  

dynamic trust system is .... no longer necessary. It was a way of downrating/banning nodes for bad service.

Xnode is .... the XC app.


Thanks for the definitions.
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July 20, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
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Le sigh... I'll continue to post references... And no, it doesn't go without saying because no one can verify in the source.

Here's the first REV2 release for mainnet. Note it says "decentralised trustless mixing", not multipath.


Do you seriously need Dan to come here and say that XC has multipath? I've just told you it does. What more do you want?

If Dan says it you still won't have access to the source code to how will this help you?

Furthermore you can make a private payment and then watch the fragments going out on any block explorer. That's multipath.



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July 20, 2014, 08:16:52 PM
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Thank you for the update synechist, what may help is having a laymen explanation of all the amazing features of XC.

I have a feeling that for a lot of investors English is not their first language, also we have a lot of new investors who are trying to get a grip of all the terminology.

It would help to have a definition for each item.

multipath is .... splitting transactions into fragments so that nobody can tell how much you send or receive from a given party.

multinode is ..... sending transaction fragments to multiple other nodes instead of sending all the fragments to just one node. This prevents someone adding up the fragments and then identifying which address the node forwarded this amount to.

mixing is ..... when a node receives a fragment it then forwards it onto the next node from a different address to the one it was received from, so that nobody can connect the receipt of coins from the sending onward.

trustless mixing is ...... when a node mixes and forwards a transaction without being able to steal the coins.  

dynamic trust system is .... no longer necessary. It was a way of downrating/banning nodes for bad service.

Xnode is .... the XC app.



Thank you for this! Needs to be on the first post/website. If we want XC to be implemented in everyday life then we need to help people understand what it is and what it does in layman terms.
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July 20, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
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hey synechist thanx for your updates. Might I suggest something? I d love it if every new wallet/app release on OP is clarified with bold letters, along with its features(multipath, EM etc). I believe that itd be easier than just trying to quote ur older messages or reply ourselves. I believe that the community's engagement is actually undermining your work, because people try to share the tech/features/updates without being able to grasp them them or describe them 100%, thus creating confusion.

Apart from that, Id love to see that new roadmap as well, it might clear things a bit!

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July 20, 2014, 08:22:50 PM
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Thank you for this! Needs to be on the first post/website. If we want XC to be implemented in everyday life then we need to help people understand what it is and what it does in layman terms.

Sure. The website is being continuously updated as new tech arrives and we'll try to maintain all the content.

If you find out-of-date content then by all means, contact me.

There's a new OP coming with updated info and a new look.



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July 20, 2014, 08:23:40 PM
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Le sigh... I'll continue to post references... And no, it doesn't go without saying because no one can verify in the source.

Here's the first REV2 release for mainnet. Note it says "decentralised trustless mixing", not multipath.


Do you seriously need Dan to come here and say that XC has multipath? I've just told you it does. What more do you want?

If Dan says it you still won't have access to the source code to how will this help you?

Furthermore you can make a private payment and then watch the fragments going out on any block explorer. That's multipath.




Yes, because it is important to note that development of the features has progressed as advertised. All I'm saying is that there are discrepancies between what PR says is released and what the developer says is released. This causes confusion. While PR is saying that more features are released than development has announced verbally, it just sounds like hype and no delivery. You have to understand we're all told to just "trust you" at face value for what we read in these forums. I'm not one to sit by idly and just "trust" someone without well-rounded communication.
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July 20, 2014, 08:25:14 PM
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hey synechist thanx for your updates. Might I suggest something? I d love it if every new wallet/app release on OP is clarified with bold letters, along with its features(multipath, EM etc). I believe that itd be easier than just trying to quote ur older messages or reply ourselves. I believe that the community's engagement is actually undermining your work, because people try to share the tech/features/updates without being able to grasp them them or describe them 100%, thus creating confusion.

Apart from that, Id love to see that new roadmap as well, it might clear things a bit!

This. If it came from the developers first.

Edit: and preferably spelled out in the release notes for each download.
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July 20, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
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hey synechist thanx for your updates. Might I suggest something? I d love it if every new wallet/app release on OP is clarified with bold letters, along with its features(multipath, EM etc). I believe that itd be easier than just trying to quote ur older messages or reply ourselves. I believe that the community's engagement is actually undermining your work, because people try to share the tech/features/updates without being able to grasp them them or describe them 100%, thus creating confusion.

Apart from that, Id love to see that new roadmap as well, it might clear things a bit!


I like this idea.
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July 20, 2014, 08:25:46 PM
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hey synechist thanx for your updates. Might I suggest something? I d love it if every new wallet/app release on OP is clarified with bold letters, along with its features(multipath, EM etc). I believe that itd be easier than just trying to quote ur older messages or reply ourselves. I believe that the community's engagement is actually undermining your work, because people try to share the tech/features/updates without being able to grasp them them or describe them 100%, thus creating confusion.

Apart from that, Id love to see that new roadmap as well, it might clear things a bit!

Yes this is part of the upcoming OP. Clarity is very important, and since I started I've been working to put in place processes for keeping all our platforms up to speed and making sure they have the important info.

It's a complicated job because it involves working with the entire team, from branding to development. But the core process mostly in place and you can expect things to keep improving.


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July 20, 2014, 08:30:07 PM
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Le sigh... I'll continue to post references... And no, it doesn't go without saying because no one can verify in the source.

Here's the first REV2 release for mainnet. Note it says "decentralised trustless mixing", not multipath.


Do you seriously need Dan to come here and say that XC has multipath? I've just told you it does. What more do you want?

If Dan says it you still won't have access to the source code to how will this help you?

Furthermore you can make a private payment and then watch the fragments going out on any block explorer. That's multipath.




Yes, because it is important to note that development of the features has progressed as advertised. All I'm saying is that there are discrepancies between what PR says is released and what the developer says is released. This causes confusion. While PR is saying that more features are released than development has announced verbally, it just sounds like hype and no delivery. You have to understand we're all told to just "trust you" at face value for what we read in these forums. I'm not one to sit by idly and just "trust" someone without well-rounded communication.

Fair point, except that it's me who generally does the communicating for XC.

So you can generally expect to hear from me about new features, not from the devs.

Dan generally only posts links to software updates, along with a few provisory release notes. He doesn't generally post overviews of features.

This is because it's my job to do the communication, and it's his job to code.

Lastly, although you generally hear from me, anything regarding tech features are the result of long conversations with Dan. I ask about everything I need to know and then put it in normal language.

So if I say XC has a feature, then it does.



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July 20, 2014, 08:32:59 PM
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Le sigh... I'll continue to post references... And no, it doesn't go without saying because no one can verify in the source.

Here's the first REV2 release for mainnet. Note it says "decentralised trustless mixing", not multipath.


Do you seriously need Dan to come here and say that XC has multipath? I've just told you it does. What more do you want?

If Dan says it you still won't have access to the source code to how will this help you?

Furthermore you can make a private payment and then watch the fragments going out on any block explorer. That's multipath.




Yes, because it is important to note that development of the features has progressed as advertised. All I'm saying is that there are discrepancies between what PR says is released and what the developer says is released. This causes confusion. While PR is saying that more features are released than development has announced verbally, it just sounds like hype and no delivery. You have to understand we're all told to just "trust you" at face value for what we read in these forums. I'm not one to sit by idly and just "trust" someone without well-rounded communication.

Fair point, except that it's me who generally does the communicating for XC.

So you can generally expect to hear from me about new features, not from the devs.

Dan generally only posts links to software updates, along with a few provisory release notes. He doesn't generally post overviews of features.

This is because it's my job to do the communication, and it's his job to code.

Lastly, although you generally hear from me, anything regarding tech features are the result of long conversations with Dan. I ask about everything I need to know and then put it in normal language.

So if I say XC has a feature, then it does.




I understand you have an authoritative voice here. I just ask for better documentation from the development side. Please list the features of each release in the release notes provided with the download. I would be satisfied with that. It would reduce the need for back and forth such as this. Thanks Synechist.
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July 20, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
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Arlyn, thanks for the communication. Took a look this morning and saw that Bittrex was now 3rd overall in volume, and one of their top coins has a problem with a missing dev. People are confused about the communication with XC? At least we have people around to communicate with. Just keep doing what you are doing Arlyn. Many supporters here who appreciate your time and effort.
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July 20, 2014, 08:33:50 PM
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Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.


I'm fully up to speed on the tech developments. I think that what's been happening is that people keep on recycling misinformation instead of reading my replies to them.

I've been saying since 7/7/14 that Rev 2 functionality is here.

Multipath is implemented and working, and what's more, we put in trustless mixing too.

I've been saying since 7/7/14 that you don't have to worry about 550XC for now and that every node is now an Xnode.





isn't there a page on the website that updates the progress and eta of upcoming progress of the coin? it would be easy access to those who need to pacify their curiosity ...and anyone newly interested in xc.

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July 20, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
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 it's my job to do the communication, and it's his job to code.


Just a brief comment on this. Ideally Dan would make a lot more announcements, since he's effectively the "CEO" as XC is his invention (not that XC is a company).

It's conventional for CEOs to announce products. However the workload and the pressure on Dan is extremely high and it's generally proved impractical to expect him to also handle communication roles.




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July 20, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
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Everytime I see an XC update:


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July 20, 2014, 08:36:23 PM
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Anyway Guys in the PR Team get a hang with yourself in what you are doing and coordinate your News release with Dan and the Dev Team as Since the Release of Rev 2 there is a lot of confusion on where we are at the moment what we need to expect for the future and when.


I'm fully up to speed on the tech developments. I think that what's been happening is that people keep on recycling misinformation instead of reading my replies to them.

I've been saying since 7/7/14 that Rev 2 functionality is here.

Multipath is implemented and working, and what's more, we put in trustless mixing too.

I've been saying since 7/7/14 that you don't have to worry about 550XC for now and that every node is now an Xnode.





isn't there a page on the website that updates the progress and eta of upcoming progress of the coin? it would be easy access to those who need to pacify their curiosity ...and anyone newly interested in xc.

You mean the roadmap? The one that's supposed to be updated by Dan this weekend?

http://xc-official.com/xc-roadmap.html
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July 20, 2014, 08:38:15 PM
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Arlyn, thanks for the communication. Took a look this morning and saw that Bittrex was now 3rd overall in volume, and one of their top coins has a problem with a missing dev. People are confused about the communication with XC? At least we have people around to communicate with. Just keep doing what you are doing Arlyn. Many supporters here who appreciate your time and effort.

Confused, yes. But very grateful for the team we have here.  Wink
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Arlyn, thanks for the communication. Took a look this morning and saw that Bittrex was now 3rd overall in volume, and one of their top coins has a problem with a missing dev. People are confused about the communication with XC? At least we have people around to communicate with. Just keep doing what you are doing Arlyn. Many supporters here who appreciate your time and effort.

Thank you sir! I'll keep on communicating. And the clarity of information on XC will only improve.

My goal is to have the necessary information highly visible from all our platforms - and to have it all continually updated without some info getting out of date.


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Mate, you do a superb job

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July 20, 2014, 08:43:17 PM
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Arlyn, thanks for the communication. Took a look this morning and saw that Bittrex was now 3rd overall in volume, and one of their top coins has a problem with a missing dev. People are confused about the communication with XC? At least we have people around to communicate with. Just keep doing what you are doing Arlyn. Many supporters here who appreciate your time and effort.

Thank you sir! I'll keep on communicating. And the clarity of information on XC will only improve.

My goal is to have the necessary information highly visible from all our platforms - and to have it all continually updated without some info getting out of date.



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