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March 09, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
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'Also Karl didn't just dump the Coin away, we know because he mentioned in the video that he didn't know how and in what way the Coin would be handed over to the community. '


doesn't know how and in what way? after a year with the coin apparently busy working on it. pretty easy thing to do, but no-one would want it

Crowdwhale had a load invested, 500K on bittrex might have been his exit.
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March 09, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
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so you think that there still can be something good from this coin ?

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March 09, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
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so you think that there still can be something good from this coin ?

Just by looking at the startcoin's chart long term, it does not look promising.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/startcoin/

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March 10, 2017, 03:37:30 AM
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so you think that there still can be something good from this coin ?

Just by looking at the startcoin's chart long term, it does not look promising.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/startcoin/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4U_I7ySP2E


In the regulated World this type of stuff would prlly simply end with a heavy investigation by the police and some legal action
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No Question about it

Atleast their Reputation got finally rekt to shit and beyond now.

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March 10, 2017, 06:12:54 AM
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"Your sheer naivety and, I must say, impressive stupidity, gives me genuine hope that this coin could recover..." 

So why the other guy did hold on to 500 000 StartCoins until he had seen Karl's video update? And why you call holding this Coin "sheer naivity"? Did you see Max Keiser in those interviews? Red faced with tears in his eyes and Screaming and trowing chairs at Goldman sachs or JP Morgan employees? In one episode of his show he almost starts a fight with one of these. That really looked legit to me. Anyway, he is gone now. Maybe Stacy made him soft. Unbelievable, always bashing USA and bankers, next thing he moves there with Stacy. Leaving StartJoin and Coin. And Karl should finally do what he promised! Is the Coin already integrated? Weekly updates? Were is that next one Karl? KARLLL!?!? You read this?! MOFO!
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March 10, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
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"Your sheer naivety and, I must say, impressive stupidity, gives me genuine hope that this coin could recover..." 

So why the other guy did hold on to 500 000 StartCoins until he had seen Karl's video update? And why you call holding this Coin "sheer naivity"? Did you see Max Keiser in those interviews? Red faced with tears in his eyes and Screaming and trowing chairs at Goldman sachs or JP Morgan employees? In one episode of his show he almost starts a fight with one of these. That really looked legit to me. Anyway, he is gone now. Maybe Stacy made him soft. Unbelievable, always bashing USA and bankers, next thing he moves there with Stacy. Leaving StartJoin and Coin. And Karl should finally do what he promised! Is the Coin already integrated? Weekly updates? Were is that next one Karl? KARLLL!?!? You read this?! MOFO!

Ha ha you are funny. That is an act, he does stand up comedy, he calls his standup routine show "stand up rage", he can fake a tantrum at the drop of a hat and carry on as normal immediately afterwards, how many of his shows have you watched? I have been watching from around episode 400, downloaded some form before and watched those too. He never really gets angry, just fake. Read the Maxcoin page where they quote Max talking about comedy at the end, this is a significant insight into how he thinks. Although Max is good in terms of getting exposure, in everything else he is just toxic, he is not interested in running a business, good news that he is gone, although Karl does not seem to be an inspiring replacement.

Feel free to read this thread, Crowdwhale was the biggest fan, the biggest supporter, the biggest believer, he waited so long and believed so many times, then finally Karls video came along and although he sound all upbeat and grand, there is yet again nothing of CONCRETE SUBSTANCE. So crowdwhale gave up. Or maybe Crowdwhale was Karl shilling the coin... who knows.
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March 10, 2017, 01:15:03 PM
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Were is that weekly update Kurl? Maybe some of us should team up a bit, Start some really hanous stalking on this f*tt tw@ts a$s Twitter account, for fucking up our savings on this Coin with his slow action taking he has been doing all these months.
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March 10, 2017, 02:18:51 PM
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start pump incoming





























LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL fuck

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March 10, 2017, 11:36:05 PM
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So Startchat tech as a business has now been closed. dude ran out of money....

Another Start failure


Another Bnktothefutre failure..


not quite as bad as the SMBS..... I got 1500 start back from a $1000 USD investment in that ponzi.

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March 11, 2017, 01:04:59 AM
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It isn't over yet, professional traders will take a shot at this point "buying when they are crying", "buying the blood" etc. I think quite a few pro traders have lost a lot already at this point as they they thought they bought the bottom already (well played Max/Karl) Anything can happen, just not tomorrow or any time soon, certainly not when Karl is saying when its going happen. For now its just pain upon pain. I am looking and hoping for other coins to do something, written off Startcoin mentally (as an act of self preservation). Good luck to us all, we need it.
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March 11, 2017, 01:13:44 AM
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start pump incoming
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL fuck
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March 11, 2017, 01:32:37 AM
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How many Banktothefuture failures have there been? I think only the mining schemes have failed (as well as startchat which was heavily dependent on Startcoin and Startjoin, hence fail)... the others are all proper Venture capital so its too early to tell if they have failed. Wirex is already cashing out early at 100% profit (because new round of investment does not like to have other shareholders it seems,so bought out). I would say BTTF is successful but I guess they must be deeply regretful of the Cloud Mining schemes they have dabbled with (the ones associated with Max, although MU2 VC might be promising despite Max).

I have great hopes for Shapeshift, Uphold, Bitpesa, Factom etc. some of these companies are going to be HUGE, HUMONGOUS, MASSIVE, some will fail but that is VC investment, others are going to do more than 10X.

I trust Simon Dixon, I don't trust Max, I don't trust Karl. The only one who officially still has an interest in Startcoin is Karl unfortunatley, can't trust him to look after the cookie jar, can't trust him to look after my financial future. If Simon was in charge it would be a different story.

Don't forget that Startjoin has a big share in the investments in BTTF, if the investments start cashing out, there might be a lot of money floating about, to promote and develop all things SC (or maybe enrich certain individuals).....So it aint OVER, but its very frustrating because things move fucking fast in Crypto and SC is so fucking slow it fucking hurts to fucking think about it, fuck. I need some Valium.

Stop Hiding Max, come back to London, are you afraid? Lets go to the Silver bullet and have a drink, you can tell me all. How Karl made you do it.....
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March 11, 2017, 02:16:36 AM
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Note that SJ solves a nontrivial problem. Replacement of the bank credit line is possible only for the technology of smart contracts. Just blockchain does not fit here. In addition, this is the real sector on which this platform claims.
It is a very difficult task and has no precedents at present. DAO attempts are in the making. Such things do not dare quickly.
As for SC. On the basis of which this coin is now available, it can not be an intra-platform token. Positioning the SC as a token leads me to the idea that we should see a new wallet sooner or later. Here you need a competent technical team with a good organizer. I see the role of Karl as an organizer positively.
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March 11, 2017, 06:12:45 PM
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I'm willing to offer 5 BTC to whoever breaks Karl's face or Max's for that matter.Just a 10 sec video will do. Smiley
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March 11, 2017, 07:19:17 PM
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What happening with Startcoin and Startjoin.
Is there any development or have it stop.
I busy with a project and I must decide if I can use Startcoin as one of the coins.
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March 11, 2017, 07:29:37 PM
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What happening with Startcoin and Startjoin.
Is there any development or have it stop.
I busy with a project and I must decide if I can use Startcoin as one of the coins.


Yes, going online any day now.
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March 11, 2017, 09:59:34 PM
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I'm willing to offer 5 BTC to whoever breaks Karl's face or Max's for that matter.Just a 10 sec video will do. Smiley

For referenz against people, that tend to invest too much into unknown persons, and believe they can blame others for their own responsibility. For most of the people here Cryptos are nothing more than the next goldrush, and these people tends to violent temper.

(you also can invest into woods, with a promised profit of around 10% yearly. This can take two directions: 1) you loose your invest directly to scammers 2) you destroy the nature)
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March 12, 2017, 12:49:52 PM
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Here's my personal retrospective (and rant) on StartCOIN/JOIN. I won't be bashing it but I won't pull any punches either.

Let me start by saying that I think StartCOIN has been an interesting ride.
 
I've seen some real potential. There was the event with Kim Dotcom where he announced the plan to fund his next project through StartJOIN..we saw Max throwing out some pretty big words about what he believed the value potential could be..even Russel Brand seemed to be involved at some point. And of course we had Karl, who was seen as a ambitious, knowledgeable and successful guy at the crypto game. The various connections to BnkToTheFuture and Dixon also helped to reinforce a serious image (I personally think he seems like a trustworthy guy).

However now when I look back at everything it feel there's one thing all of these "selling points" have in common, and it's hype. Not so much actual technology and innovation. While the concept itself surrounding the StartJOIN platform is far from the worst I've stumbled across in the crypto community, it's not really that groundbreaking on a technical level (not that it necessarily has to be in order to be successful). At its core it's basically a website connected to a blockchain. The coin and chain itself seem to have received more or less zero effort while the website and promotion surrounding it has gotten full attention. I thought okay, fine, as long as the site is going to keep evolving.

However the web development side has been lackluster beyond belief. The single single most critical aspect of the whole project and they have not been able to deliver it in a satisfactory manner. Karl mentioned in a video x months ago that the team were working hard on the development. He went through a list of things they would do that week, one of them being to implement a fix for some kind of annoying bug on the login page. I can't remember the exact details but it sounded like a 2-3 hours fix (I'm a web dev myself). I remember thinking that if I was responsible for all development for the project I'd have likely fixed his whole to-do list in one day. That lead me to believe that his staff of programmers couldn't possibly consist of more than one person and that this person could not be hired to work full time on the website but perhaps more like 8 hours per week. This is INSANE considering Karl could easily afford to pay for more hours per week. I could be completely wrong on this of course; perhaps he spends massive amounts of money on this. My gut feeling as a developer says otherwise however. If this is the case then I can understand why we had to wait so incredibly long for v2 to arrive while the site came to a complete halt after the breach.

So now they've announced that Max is officially leaving the project and that they will stop all development on StartCOIN, instead handing it over to the community. This will enable them to focus all efforts on the website. While this seems to be a smart move since the site obviously has way too few resources allocated to it..it also raised an important question: how much extra time and resources will this move actually grant them? Again, it's not like we've seen the coin itself develop much at all during its entire lifespan.

Do I think Karl is sitting there plotting how to trick people into buying into the hype? No, I believe he still genuinely tries to make the best of what he got and to deliver a complete product. His mistake however and the general theme I've seen throughout this whole thing is that they exaggerate the size of the team and scope of what they can actually deliver. Just being honest about it and gaining support that way, perhaps through volunteer programmers and other people interested in helping out would have made the experience much more pleasant for everybody involved. Seeing new code being committed and watching the site develop every week. Less suits, big words and promises.

All in all, I think you sometimes need to lower your guard a little in order to allow yourself to invest in risky ventures. To allow yourself the risk of ending up with the short end of the stick, if you will. At the same time it's important to always learn something from when things don't go your way. When it comes to StartCOIN I feel it has been an important lesson for me (and probably many others) to dig deeper into what I'm actually investing in and try to resist jumping aboard mostly because of hype. I wish the team the best however and for everyone who has invested in the project. Hopefully Karl will be able to steer this half-sunken ship into greater things. But I think they need to reconsider the approach and be more transparent. Do more, show more, talk less.
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March 12, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
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well said razerdriver.
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March 12, 2017, 05:15:25 PM
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Here's my personal retrospective (and rant) on StartCOIN/JOIN. I won't be bashing it but I won't pull any punches either.

Let me start by saying that I think StartCOIN has been an interesting ride.
 
I've seen some real potential. There was the event with Kim Dotcom where he announced the plan to fund his next project through StartJOIN..we saw Max throwing out some pretty big words about what he believed the value potential could be..even Russel Brand seemed to be involved at some point. And of course we had Karl, who was seen as a ambitious, knowledgeable and successful guy at the crypto game. The various connections to BnkToTheFuture and Dixon also helped to reinforce a serious image (I personally think he seems like a trustworthy guy).

However now when I look back at everything it feel there's one thing all of these "selling points" have in common, and it's hype. Not so much actual technology and innovation. While the concept itself surrounding the StartJOIN platform is far from the worst I've stumbled across in the crypto community, it's not really that groundbreaking on a technical level (not that it necessarily has to be in order to be successful). At its core it's basically a website connected to a blockchain. The coin and chain itself seem to have received more or less zero effort while the website and promotion surrounding it has gotten full attention. I thought okay, fine, as long as the site is going to keep evolving.

However the web development side has been lackluster beyond belief. The single single most critical aspect of the whole project and they have not been able to deliver it in a satisfactory manner. Karl mentioned in a video x months ago that the team were working hard on the development. He went through a list of things they would do that week, one of them being to implement a fix for some kind of annoying bug on the login page. I can't remember the exact details but it sounded like a 2-3 hours fix (I'm a web dev myself). I remember thinking that if I was responsible for all development for the project I'd have likely fixed his whole to-do list in one day. That lead me to believe that his staff of programmers couldn't possibly consist of more than one person and that this person could not be hired to work full time on the website but perhaps more like 8 hours per week. This is INSANE considering Karl could easily afford to pay for more hours per week. I could be completely wrong on this of course; perhaps he spends massive amounts of money on this. My gut feeling as a developer says otherwise however. If this is the case then I can understand why we had to wait so incredibly long for v2 to arrive while the site came to a complete halt after the breach.

So now they've announced that Max is officially leaving the project and that they will stop all development on StartCOIN, instead handing it over to the community. This will enable them to focus all efforts on the website. While this seems to be a smart move since the site obviously has way too few resources allocated to it..it also raised an important question: how much extra time and resources will this move actually grant them? Again, it's not like we've seen the coin itself develop much at all during its entire lifespan.

Do I think Karl is sitting there plotting how to trick people into buying into the hype? No, I believe he still genuinely tries to make the best of what he got and to deliver a complete product. His mistake however and the general theme I've seen throughout this whole thing is that they exaggerate the size of the team and scope of what they can actually deliver. Just being honest about it and gaining support that way, perhaps through volunteer programmers and other people interested in helping out would have made the experience much more pleasant for everybody involved. Seeing new code being committed and watching the site develop every week. Less suits, big words and promises.

All in all, I think you sometimes need to lower your guard a little in order to allow yourself to invest in risky ventures. To allow yourself the risk of ending up with the short end of the stick, if you will. At the same time it's important to always learn something from when things don't go your way. When it comes to StartCOIN I feel it has been an important lesson for me (and probably many others) to dig deeper into what I'm actually investing in and try to resist jumping aboard mostly because of hype. I wish the team the best however and for everyone who has invested in the project. Hopefully Karl will be able to steer this half-sunken ship into greater things. But I think they need to reconsider the approach and be more transparent. Do more, show more, talk less.

Excellent overview however sadly it will fall of Deaf ears :-(

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