ANN: BITMAIN has Tested Its 28nm Bitcoin Mining Chip BM1382

[dropt]

That would make sense but why does it say 4x6pin PCI required? maybe a typo
edit.
S3 Specs
Effective Hash Rate: 504 GH/s±5%
Power Consumption: 390 W on wall
Power Supply: 4 +12V DC input, PCI-e connectors

Engineered safety margin.

Standard 6-pin molex connector is rated at 8A per pin, so 288AW per connector.  Usually if you're running 24/7 you de-rate by 80% giving an upper bound of 230W @12V.  Given the S3 design uses 390W stock, it leaves a headroom of 35W @12V per blade which isn't a lot if you're trying to give the end-user some room to overclock and err on the side of safety.  So four 6-pin PCI-E plugs gives you ample room to overclock without worry about burning out molex connectors.

[jimrome]

Maybe they are mining on them for a week, then pass the savings onto us?? 

Well I bet in a week bitcoin prices are back up a bit after the US marshall auction fiasco so they would be cheaper BTC. Also the rocket boxes are delayed to the same day, the 27th, however the rocket box does not come with a controller (Raspberry Pi ) and the S3 does. The S3 is faster hashing too. I can trust the S3 already because of the track record with the S2. I will wait patiently.

Where did you read about a RPi on the S3?  Since they may also have an upgrade path for the S1, I would think the easiest way would be to continue to use the OpenWrt controller board as the S1's have.

The only reason I'd prefer those crappy little controllers is they don't chew up SD cards like RPIs can/do. In a perfect world I'd much prefer something with embedded flash storage, either a custom design ($$) or maybe a beaglebone black.

[Biodom]

That would make sense but why does it say 4x6pin PCI required? maybe a typo
edit.
S3 Specs
Effective Hash Rate: 504 GH/s±5%
Power Consumption: 390 W on wall
Power Supply: 4 +12V DC input, PCI-e connectors

Engineered safety margin.

Standard 6-pin molex connector is rated at 8A per pin, so 288A per connector.  Usually if you're running 24/7 you de-rate by 80% giving an upper bound of 230W @12V.  Given the S3 design uses 390W stock, it leaves a headroom of 35W @12V per blade which isn't a lot if you're trying to give the end-user some room to overclock and err on the side of safety.  So four 6-pin PCI-E plugs gives you ample room to overclock without worry about burning out molex connectors.

A=W probably (typo).
This is much better design than ≥400W in Neptune "cube" in KnC design. Well, they blow air at plastic connectors, but still...

[jimrome]

That would make sense but why does it say 4x6pin PCI required? maybe a typo
edit.
S3 Specs
Effective Hash Rate: 504 GH/s±5%
Power Consumption: 390 W on wall
Power Supply: 4 +12V DC input, PCI-e connectors

Engineered safety margin.

Standard 6-pin molex connector is rated at 8A per pin, so 288A per connector.  Usually if you're running 24/7 you de-rate by 80% giving an upper bound of 230W @12V.  Given the S3 design uses 390W stock, it leaves a headroom of 35W @12V per blade which isn't a lot if you're trying to give the end-user some room to overclock and err on the side of safety.  So four 6-pin PCI-E plugs gives you ample room to overclock without worry about burning out molex connectors.

Yeah, there's a bunch of factors that they'd have to consider. The "standard" molex minifit jr pin is currently rated at 9A, (IIRC the first series were rated at 4A/P, the baseline has been increasing steadily since they were introduced years ago). That said, there's no telling which pins would be used in the connector, they could instead use the top of the line molex pins (13A/pin) or cheap knockoffs (??/pin). Then there's the quality of the connecting cables used, which can't really be planned for aside from setting the bar very low.
 

[bit_wizard]

So I guess we are all waiting while they "test" the new gear.
They only delay comes from the fact they want to make more BTC while they have probable cause to.

[pmorici]

That would make sense but why does it say 4x6pin PCI required? maybe a typo
edit.
S3 Specs
Effective Hash Rate: 504 GH/s±5%
Power Consumption: 390 W on wall
Power Supply: 4 +12V DC input, PCI-e connectors

Engineered safety margin.

Standard 6-pin molex connector is rated at 8A per pin, so 288A per connector.  Usually if you're running 24/7 you de-rate by 80% giving an upper bound of 230W @12V.  Given the S3 design uses 390W stock, it leaves a headroom of 35W @12V per blade which isn't a lot if you're trying to give the end-user some room to overclock and err on the side of safety.  So four 6-pin PCI-E plugs gives you ample room to overclock without worry about burning out molex connectors.

Standard 6-pin molex connectors are rated for 9A per pin not 8.

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=minifit_jr&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=wire_to_board_connectors

[allcoinminer]

S3 Specs


Effective Hash Rate: 504 GH/s±5%
Power Consumption: 390 W on wall
Power Supply: 4 +12V DC input, PCI-e connectors
Power Efficiency: 0.77 J/GH on wall
Size:  331 mm x 137 mm x 160 mm (Dual blades assembled inside a box, including the fans)
Fans: Two 14038 fans mounted on both front and back ends.)
Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 35 °C
Complied with: FCC / CE
Network Connection: Ethernet

The above descriptions and specs are projected number and subjected to change before the sales open.

The main reason may be for FCC/CE certification may require some margin of additional safety.  With Overkilling/Marginal Safety FCC/CE certification may not be possible.

[dropt]

A=W probably (typo).
This is much better design than ≥400W in Neptune "cube" in KnC design. Well, they blow air at plastic connectors, but still...

It was a typo, thanks.

[dropt]

Standard 6-pin molex connectors are rated for 9A per pin not 8.

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=minifit_jr&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=wire_to_board_connectors

PCI-E Keyed Power connectors:

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?channel=products&chanName=family&key=graphics_power

Datasheets say 8A. 

[pmorici]

Standard 6-pin molex connectors are rated for 9A per pin not 8.

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=minifit_jr&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=wire_to_board_connectors

PCI-E Keyed Power connectors:

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?channel=products&chanName=family&key=graphics_power

Datasheets say 8A.  

Not sure what you are looking at but all the data sheets I see either say 9 or 13 Amps

http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0455590002_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.pdf

[xstr8guy]

Maybe they are mining on them for a week, then pass the savings onto us?? 

Well I bet in a week bitcoin prices are back up a bit after the US marshall auction fiasco so they would be cheaper BTC. Also the rocket boxes are delayed to the same day, the 27th, however the rocket box does not come with a controller (Raspberry Pi ) and the S3 does. The S3 is faster hashing too. I can trust the S3 already because of the track record with the S2. I will wait patiently.

Where did you read about a RPi on the S3?  Since they may also have an upgrade path for the S1, I would think the easiest way would be to continue to use the OpenWrt controller board as the S1's have.

The only reason I'd prefer those crappy little controllers is they don't chew up SD cards like RPIs can/do. In a perfect world I'd much prefer something with embedded flash storage, either a custom design ($$) or maybe a beaglebone black.

Beaglebone's chew up cheap-ass SD cards too. Buy high-quality class 10 cards (I prefer Patriot brand) and you will have far fewer problems.

[spazzdla]

I wish they kept the terminal block .

[dropt]

Not sure what you are looking at but all the data sheets I see either say 9 or 13 Amps

http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0455590002_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.pdf

You're looking at standard 6-pin Molex Mini-fit Jr's.  Molex makes a whole bunch of connectors in the "Mini-fit Jr." line and yes, some of them support up to 13A.

What I linked you to was Molex's line of Mini-fit Jr connectors that are keyed specifically for PCI-E, unlike the standard Mini-fit Jr line that you're referencing, which are keyed differently.

PCI-E keyed Mini-fit Jr Right angle header page: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0457320001_PCB_HEADERS.xml

PCI-E Keyed Mini-fit Jr Right Angle Header Product Specification: http://www.molex.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ps/PS-45558-001.pdf

PCI-E Keyed Mini-fit Jr Right Angle Header Datasheet: http://www.molex.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0457320001_PCB_HEADERS.pdf

[jimrome]

Not sure what you are looking at but all the data sheets I see either say 9 or 13 Amps

http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0455590002_CRIMP_HOUSINGS.pdf

You're looking at standard 6-pin Molex Mini-fit Jr's.  Molex makes a whole bunch of connectors in the "Mini-fit Jr." line and yes, some of them support up to 13A.

What I linked you to was Molex's line of Mini-fit Jr connectors that are keyed specifically for PCI-E, unlike the standard Mini-fit Jr line that you're referencing, which are keyed differently.

PCI-E keyed Mini-fit Jr Right angle header page: http://www.molex.com/molex/products/datasheet.jsp?part=active/0457320001_PCB_HEADERS.xml

PCI-E Keyed Mini-fit Jr Right Angle Header Product Specification: http://www.molex.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ps/PS-45558-001.pdf

PCI-E Keyed Mini-fit Jr Right Angle Header Datasheet: http://www.molex.com/elqNow/elqRedir.htm?ref=http://www.molex.com/webdocs/datasheets/pdf/en-us/0457320001_PCB_HEADERS.pdf

Standard 6-pin molex connectors are rated for 9A per pin not 8.

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=minifit_jr&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction&parentKey=wire_to_board_connectors

PCI-E Keyed Power connectors:

http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?channel=products&chanName=family&key=graphics_power

Datasheets say 8A.  

The keying is to prevent issues with existing equipment which used the same connector series but with different pinouts and/or voltage levels. There are no differences aside from that (assuming you're comparing similar grades of parts).

[jimrome]

Maybe they are mining on them for a week, then pass the savings onto us??  

Well I bet in a week bitcoin prices are back up a bit after the US marshall auction fiasco so they would be cheaper BTC. Also the rocket boxes are delayed to the same day, the 27th, however the rocket box does not come with a controller (Raspberry Pi ) and the S3 does. The S3 is faster hashing too. I can trust the S3 already because of the track record with the S2. I will wait patiently.

Where did you read about a RPi on the S3?  Since they may also have an upgrade path for the S1, I would think the easiest way would be to continue to use the OpenWrt controller board as the S1's have.

The only reason I'd prefer those crappy little controllers is they don't chew up SD cards like RPIs can/do. In a perfect world I'd much prefer something with embedded flash storage, either a custom design ($$) or maybe a beaglebone black.

Beaglebone's chew up cheap-ass SD cards too. Buy high-quality class 10 cards (I prefer Patriot brand) and you will have far fewer problems.

Beaglebones chew up SD cards when running from flash? That's interesting...

Aren't patriot about the cheapest cards you can buy?

[R4v37]

Buy a s2 for 1400 or wait for s3's?

well its ur choice...
i think bitmain will delay S3 again
it just too good to be true, 4 PCI-E but only 390w
even if so...
s3 wont be that cheap... i assume its around 1btc - 1.5btc
new generation, but cheaper? re u kidding me?

S3 has got to be cheaper than old S2 in $/Gh

S2 can be had for $1450 for 1000Gh

so S3 must be less than $725 for 500Gh

yeppp, you tell me about these 4 PCI-E but only draw 390w 
too good to be true, but if so, it'll be really perfect 

[R4v37]

im using 700w cougar PSUs that have 2 PCI-e cables with the 'extra' PCI-e connector (ie 2 x 1+ 'extra' 1)

i would imagine in this case using the 'extra' connectors would be ok?

i tried using the same 'extra' connector on a 550w PSU when i got my first S1 but it melted the 'extra' connectors wires in a matter of minutes

then, bitmain will suggest us to buy a new PSU...
PSU with 4 or more PCI-E cables

[Mudbankkeith]

im using 700w cougar PSUs that have 2 PCI-e cables with the 'extra' PCI-e connector (ie 2 x 1+ 'extra' 1)

i would imagine in this case using the 'extra' connectors would be ok?

i tried using the same 'extra' connector on a 550w PSU when i got my first S1 but it melted the 'extra' connectors wires in a matter of minutes

then, bitmain will suggest us to buy a new PSU...
PSU with 4 or more PCI-E cables

If your psu can supply the S1 @ 380w,  then the S3 @ 390w  should work as well.  Remember your 'good quality'  psu only works 24/7 at 80% of its rated load, cheapo's are less.

Overclocking will be a different situation, read the label on the box, then "Do the maths".

If your server room is too hot, then even good psu units will overheat/fail.

[toxic1978]

Estimated Next Difficulty:    16,847,110,142 (+25.14%)

With this in mind lets hope the S3 can start at under 1btc, otherwise ROI is unlikely.

 

[JCNC]

Estimated Next Difficulty:    16,847,110,142 (+25.14%)

With this in mind lets hope the S3 can start at under 1btc, otherwise ROI is unlikely.

 

With the coming few difficulties it's sad to say but I doubt anyone will be making much money