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June 18, 2014, 01:11:41 PM
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This is a thread to provide a bounty for this project.

The details of the project should be discussed in this thread, and then when a clear goal of what we're looking for is obtained we will move forward. This discussion will focus around what level of performance is required to claim the bounty.

There are two separate bounties, one for Nvidia cards, and one for AMD cards. Each bounty is listed separately below.
There is now one bounty, for an AMD Miner. The bounty is listed below:


AMD Miner Pledged bounty:

-Keyboard-Mash: 150 XMR
-HardwarePal: 1 BTC
-Smooth: 300 XMR
-othe: 50 XMR

Total: 500 XMR, 1 BTC

Total Collected: 0 XMR, 0 BTC


Nvidia Miner Pledged bounty (Closed and fulfilled 4/17/2014):

-Keyboard-Mash: 150 XMR
-HardwarePal: .2 BTC
-Smooth: 300 XMR
-othe: 50 XMR

Total: 500 XMR, .2 BTC

Total Collected: 0 XMR, 0 BTC



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June 18, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
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Discussion started in main Monero thread, cross posting here to begin the discussion:

I think if some miners are interested we can help fund and opensource Claymores GPU miner and the Nvidia one (cant remember the members username) maybe Lucas's and Wolf's projects also.

I think creating a frontend GUI with temperatures (instead of Realtemp and Afterburner) would be a big +1 for newbs to the algo.

The diff should help the price imo.

Im looking longterm for XMR so I invested 30% of my BTC into coins, a private pool (due to DDOS issues) and helped the votes alittle on Mintpal.

Not a dev but I hope I can help the project flourish with a few ideas.



This is a very good idea. cbuchner1 announced that he has a miner. I think it's time to ask them (more than just one of us would be great) what they would consider accepting to open source their projects. This just seems like a crap joke at this point. It's great that claymore made a program .. but it's been described as terribly unoptimized by very knowledgeable sources. It needs to be open source, because claymore does not have the time to optimize it.

The problem here is that guys like cbuchner1 could be left with highly optimized miners, and we're just burning GPU power at this point. Mining is getting rough right now and it's really starting to choke off interest. People who aren't mining this right now aren't going to be the one's to come in and ask Claymore and cbuchner these questions .. it's kind of on us. There's one person in particular I know has a serious CPU farm here. I'm sure the private nvidia mining operation is somewhere near that at this point. We need to get on top of this.

Update 1: Claymore does not provide open source miners, period. We will need to start a fund for an open source AMD miner. I will kick it off with 150 XMR. I'd like to use an escrow or something if necessary.

If it can be done from one of the core members (crowdfunding) that would be great

Throw 1 BTC or the equivalent XMR into that from me for the AMD miner. And 0.2BTC for Nvidia (as I don't own any)

Will get the message out to a few friends that are already invested and mining Monero.

Update 2 Bounties : 150XMR + 1BTC for AMD Opensourced miner for XMR
                           150XMR + 0.2BTC  For Nvidia Opensourced miner for XMR

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June 18, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
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To kick off the discussion, I don't own Nvidia cards. I do own AMD cards.

I'd need something that can connect to the stratum and http pool servers
I'd need to see failover for pools.
I'd prefer to continue using catalyst 13.12.
It would need to be cross platform.
I'd like GPU temperature and overclocking management
I'd need it to be competitive, on a hashing basis, with other known miners

I'm open to discussion on anything that I said I didn't need.

For more information, take a look at Claymore's page for an example of what I think we'd like to start with.
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June 18, 2014, 02:07:15 PM
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Thanks for making the thread , I own Nvidia Cards but don't use them for mining. I use AMD R9-290s.

Features that would help alot
--gpu-engine
--gpu-memclock
--auto-fan
--temp-target
--temp-overheat
--temp-cutoff
--gpu-fan
--failover-only

aswell as temp and fan speeds

something similar to cgminer-sgminer would be perfect imo




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June 18, 2014, 02:13:02 PM
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subbed, thanks

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June 18, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
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pledge 300 each

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June 18, 2014, 02:27:13 PM
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Please consider this for more background discussion:

Elsewhere they say the difference in speed is 2.2 to 5 times as fast. That is far, far less then an order of magnitude.

CZ decided to launch a testnet, with links to the github weeks before the coin launched. While it seemed like a good idea at the time, to test his coin .. what he actually did was open it wide for people to prey on. I find it not only probable, but instead extremely likely, that there were GPU miners either at launch or within the week after it.

His unfamiliarity with the typical nature of this board left his coin extremely vulnerable and he is now left to contemplate a hard fork to stop the abuse. Please note that with this abuse he might not even have the ability to enforce a hardfork due to potential miner take over. Here is what I'm talking about, and this is half of the daily emission. Thus, 50% of mining is done by his software.

It does not matter if it's 2.2 to 5 times as fast, the time in which his coin has been exploited vs the time it has not been exploited is very large. Unfortunately, Claymore or another developer did not provide a GPU miner to act as a crutch until such time when an open source one was ready.

Fortunately, with the slower emission .. this has a chance to even out over time. I hope the best for him, but I do not believe he grasps the full nature of variables involved in what he's doing .. this is not knocking his ability to program.

With private GPU miners cornering the market, all CN coins stand to lose greatly
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June 18, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
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pledge 300 each



BTC right? Cheesy
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June 18, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
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The idea is great. It is completely necessary to make open-source miner available. We are experiencing the period of unfair competition now and need to close it before it destroys the coin.

Any crawdfunding for the action?
Would gladly add my penny.
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June 18, 2014, 03:27:01 PM
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The idea is great. It is completely necessary to make open-source miner available. We are experiencing the period of unfair competition now and need to close it before it destroys the coin.

Any crawdfunding for the action?
Would gladly add my penny.

I would happily welcome a trusted escrow or recommended crowdfunding site. Does anyone have thoughts on this?
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June 18, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
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My proposition is:

1. Create clear and simple rules. Rules must state at least:
- The purpose: description what is the bounty for.
- How do attenders submit their job (i.e. by the github).
- Who can get the bounty. We may want it to be shared among contributors i.e. by the features provided.
- Who decide how the reward is used (i.e. the committee)

2. Find a trusted person to hold the deposit. Could it be a respected DEV. We need to ask them.

3. Make an external page for the announcement with addresses for the deposit and current amount of collected funds.
Because of some scam action the forum banned posting addresses.
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June 18, 2014, 05:29:25 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167229.msg7320842#msg7320842
Bounty for open-sourcing your Wild Keccak miner has risen to 880 BBR.

 Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

while we're mining 5000-7000 coins a day this is not going to work Wink


Problem is that it's not worth it for the devs to release it for "chump change".

Why open source for 1 btc or so when you are mining 2 or 3 btc worth each day?
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June 18, 2014, 05:34:04 PM
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Problem is that it's not worth it for the devs to release it for "chump change".

Why open source for 1 btc or so when you are mining 2 or 3 btc worth each day?

I have discussed the issue privately with both cbuchner1 and Claymore, asking for a quote to open source their software.

This is not a thread trying to pay them to open source their projects. This is a thread trying to get someone to work out a brand new miner, or adapt something like sgminer.

Claymore does not provide open source software, period.

cbuchner1 said flat out that he will not be releasing or open sourcing his miner, period. The implication was that it would be considered if we can offer him more than it would make him .. but nobody's going to pay him infinite money Wink

We're quickly entering a situation where private GPU miners are cornering the market .. not healthy.

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June 18, 2014, 05:48:51 PM
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Yes, we need to have open source miners but it isn't all about "unfair" advantages too.

Open source allows many other people to make optimizations where the original author might not have thought about or noticed.

Although I'm no coder, I believe that the current CryptoNight GPU miner is poorly optimized. (This is from personal experience, I've mined coins that are much more memory intensive than XMR i.e. 8MB vs the 2MB of CryptoNight and GPUs are definitely still faster than CPU, but again I'm not a coder so this is just my opinion) If it were open sourced, someone else might be about to spot the deficiencies and make improvements.
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June 18, 2014, 06:03:14 PM
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June 18, 2014, 06:32:06 PM
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Yes, we need to have open source miners but it isn't all about "unfair" advantages too.

Open source allows many other people to make optimizations where the original author might not have thought about or noticed.

Although I'm no coder, I believe that the current CryptoNight GPU miner is poorly optimized. (This is from personal experience, I've mined coins that are much more memory intensive than XMR i.e. 8MB vs the 2MB of CryptoNight and GPUs are definitely still faster than CPU, but again I'm not a coder so this is just my opinion) If it were open sourced, someone else might be about to spot the deficiencies and make improvements.

This is unfair as this is not only closer source but also platform depended. You don't pay to the Bill, you don't accept viruses - you're not allowed to use.
Cryptonight needs a very fast memory like cache L3 of CPU and it is why the performance will not have as a big advantage over CPU.
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June 18, 2014, 09:47:28 PM
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XMR is the reason why GPU mining will make a big come back to the scene. Don't sell your GPUs or smaller rigs for cheap anymore Wink


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June 20, 2014, 10:11:51 AM
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We need this asap price is rising aswell as more people getting involved. Any updates ?
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June 20, 2014, 04:11:51 PM
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We're quickly entering a situation where private GPU miners are cornering the market .. not healthy.
+1... I'm confident that the serious investors that are committed to xmr/cryptonight will soon realize that if not "investing" on the development of a more democratic mining infrastructure, their holdings will remain undervalued. Sooner rather than later, I hope...

I don't have the funds to add to the bounty, but I pledge a 10% donation of a month's worth of mining proceeds (with my massive 4xGPU rig) to the author of an open source miner for nvidia.
Adding to the above, I pledge to offer said author, 1 medium sized pizza, with 3 toppings of his choosing, and optionally 'extra cheese', delivered to his doorstep, provided that pizza delivery is available in his place of residence.
(with apologies to fluffy, no dinner for you tonight...)

~ Myagui

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June 20, 2014, 09:44:54 PM
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We're quickly entering a situation where private GPU miners are cornering the market .. not healthy.
+1... I'm confident that the serious investors that are committed to xmr/cryptonight will soon realize that if not "investing" on the development of a more democratic mining infrastructure, their holdings will remain undervalued. Sooner rather than later, I hope...

I don't have the funds to add to the bounty, but I pledge a 10% donation of a month's worth of mining proceeds (with my massive 4xGPU rig) to the author of an open source miner for nvidia.
Adding to the above, I pledge to offer said author, 1 medium sized pizza, with 3 toppings of his choosing, and optionally 'extra cheese', delivered to his doorstep, provided that pizza delivery is available in his place of residence.
(with apologies to fluffy, no dinner for you tonight...)

~ Myagui


Haha, I like this post very much. But hmm, I am willing to donate for a BBR gpu miner, or MCN, if that is what this post is about. I can throw 10XMR into the bounty.



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