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[a1choi]

All Dean has to do is make a 19.48 BTC payment and this goes away.

But will it really go away?  If Dean pays, another portion of the forum will then say that Dean is too easy to push around, and/or that he paid a scammer.  You can't make everyone happy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_miller,_his_son_and_the_donkey

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[a1choi]

All Dean has to do is make a 19.48 BTC payment and this goes away.

But will it really go away?  If Dean pays, another portion of the forum will then say that Dean is too easy to push around, and/or that he paid a scammer.  You can't make everyone happy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_miller,_his_son_and_the_donkey

and I do not want PRC to end up like the donkey.

[dooglus]

So you think it's OK to come in and make assumptions/accusations when you don't even know the situation?

Arrogant had 0.46 Bitcoin refunded for rolls that lost unfairly.

None of his martingale streak was affected. I have emailed him his results for him to verify.

I think I was pretty clear that I didn't have all the details. I was going by what Arrogant told me. He didn't have the details either, but felt like he hadn't been refunded enough.

[dooglus]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

[hegemonia]

This site is beautiful.The design is very very nice.

[21pilot]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

so in your opinion Dean should pay 19,68 BTC (= ~12k $) to sjess?
Or how should he have handled the incident?

Take the 19,68 BTC from the bankroll and reimburse investors over time?
(similar happened at satoshicarnival, a rather new gambling site a few days ago)

[PocketRocketsCasino]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

When I added dice it was not "provably fair". The rolls were generated by an RNG just like any regular casino would.
This was tested thoroughly by me. It was the same RNG used for poker/blackjack. There was no bias or discrepancies or flaws.

Dice was not too popular but some people asked for to have it "provably fair". I had just hired 2 other developers to help out, who I trusted, while I worked on other code and a lot of admin/support.

The flaw was written by one of these developers. I trusted them that it was done and it got added into the site.
Same thing could have happened to any site. It was a managerial mistake by signing off a piece of work done by two trusted professionals.

Those developers are nothing to do with PRC and it's a mistake that will not happen again in future.



 

[FastBluff]

There was no terms or policy changed at any time since the site opened over a year ago. More false claims in the forum.

Then what is the policy on when a player uses a flaw in the system to win before this mess happened?

[21pilot]

- one thing with JD - weekly stats on bankrollers where posted -

this is actually quite a good idea.

Any plans to do something like this Dean?

It was always very nice to be able to see the biggest investors (of course only their balance and not their usernames) and therefore be able
to follow how a "chosen few" were responsible for the majority of the site bankroll.

I guess it should´t be too much work to posts reports on this weekly (?).

[rfisher1968]

Are withdraws still manual? I never keep a balance on any site.

[Sir Lan]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

Your statements are fair. The amount of times you post vs other users isn't. A random person will see mostly bashes here cause 2 people keep bashing over and over and over and over. I may not respond again as I do not like forums in general, but I will say I respect you much more than that other guy posting.
 
My only point I would make to you specifically is that you and I both know Dean is a legit, moral person who is not trying to rip people off. If he gets booted out more than likely some asshole who would just pull investor funds to pay for this and have it wiped clean will set up shop.

People like sjess have no use around gambling websites other than to exploit and scam whatever they can out of it. Dean is trying to perform a service for entertainment and make a little money in doing so. Sjess is trying to interrupt that flow for all of us who wish to use the site in a gambling way. If sjess had come out and been honest and tried to explain what he was doing, then I could see rewarding that. Sjess did not do that. He knew what he was doing was not morale and why would Dean or the gambling community want people like that hanging around?

Conclusion : Dean is attempting to perform a fair service for people to use. If you come into PRC trying to scam money out of a system you know is broken then you will not have a good time. Dean and the rest of us who want a clean site to gamble on will do whatever we can to push these people away. If you come in to gamble you will find nothing but friendly,helpful people who would like it to remain that way for as long as possible. (you will also find BazzaBot giving away free money to people in chat. And leader-boards that are achievable by regular people without ten thousand dollar bankrolls.)

[dooglus]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

so in your opinion Dean should pay 19,68 BTC (= ~12k $) to sjess?
Or how should he have handled the incident?

Take the 19,68 BTC from the bankroll and reimburse investors over time?
(similar happened at satoshicarnival, a rather new gambling site a few days ago)

I don't know how he should have handled the situation. But dismissing people's concerns as "arguing about nothing" isn't the right way. Accusing players of being thieves isn't the right way either.

[yhomega]

I don't know how he should have handled the situation. But dismissing people's concerns as "arguing about nothing" isn't the right way. Accusing players of being thieves isn't the right way either.

You would have handled the situation like Dean I guess :
http://calvinayre.com/2013/07/19/business/12k-freeroll-bitcoin-betting-site-just-dice/
If the article is write, you prefered to take the money out of investor instead of using your own because you couldn't take it from celeste!
Dean prefered to take the money out of sjess instead of taking it from investor/his pocket

[dooglus]

Same thing could have happened to any site. It was a managerial mistake by signing off a piece of work done by two trusted professionals.

It could have happened to any site that relied on an external authority ("trusted professionals") rather than actually doing real testing. There's a world of difference between "I'm going to use this code because the guy who wrote it says it's good" and "I'm going to use this code because I've thoroughly tested it and it works".

TradeFortress was a "trusted professional", but I didn't trust him to handle client funds without first securing collateral.

I always felt like people were trusting me to look after their coins. I wasn't willing to delegate that trust to random third parties. I feel that doing so would have been an abuse of their trust. It's a little worrying that you don't see it the same way.

[gamblingbad]

Man this Doog kid is really Bashing PRC unfairly. Ive had friends use this site and used it myself. Dean (The owner of PRC) has always run a fair clean business, all he asks is you do the same.

I don't think anything I've said has been unfair.

Dean put up a game that was rigged. He didn't mean to, but he did.

Any amount of basic testing of the RNG would have shown him it was rigged yet somehow insufficient testing was done.

When the rigged game was abused, rather than accepting blame himself, he blames the players and says they are trying to "steal".

Are any of those statements "unfair", do you think?

so in your opinion Dean should pay 19,68 BTC (= ~12k $) to sjess?
Or how should he have handled the incident?

Take the 19,68 BTC from the bankroll and reimburse investors over time?
(similar happened at satoshicarnival, a rather new gambling site a few days ago)

I don't know how he should have handled the situation. But dismissing people's concerns as "arguing about nothing" isn't the right way. Accusing players of being thieves isn't the right way either.

He has already said its final decission, he has decided what he want to do with it. If you not got anything new to say, its best to shut up, becauce we can read you and uvwvj  earlier posts here, and we all know what your opinions is allready. Not any point to repeat ourself. And if you counted cards at a casino and got away with 4% of casino bankroll it would be nice for you. That is a generous casnio.

[dooglus]

You would have handled the situation like Dean I guess :
http://calvinayre.com/2013/07/19/business/12k-freeroll-bitcoin-betting-site-just-dice/
If the article is write, you prefered to take the money out of investor instead of using your own because you couldn't take it from celeste!
Dean prefered to take the money out of sjess instead of taking it from investor/his pocket

It's a totally different situation. "celeste" was playing with virtual coins that he had already withdrawn, so his bets weren't "real".

[dooglus]

He has already said its final decission, he has decided what he want to do with it. If you not got anything new to say, its best to shut up, becauce we can read you and uvwvj  earlier posts here, and we all know what your opinions is allready. Not any point to repeat ourself. And if you counted cards at a casino and got away with 4% of casino bankroll it would be nice for you. That is a generous casnio.

Casinos don't let you take 4% of their bankroll by counting cards.

They closely monitor their games, and ask you to stop playing long before you win anything significant.

They don't let you flat-bet and win on an untested game for 15 hours before stopping you.

[gamblingbad]

He has already said its final decission, he has decided what he want to do with it. If you not got anything new to say, its best to shut up, becauce we can read you and uvwvj  earlier posts here, and we all know what your opinions is allready. Not any point to repeat ourself. And if you counted cards at a casino and got away with 4% of casino bankroll it would be nice for you. That is a generous casnio.

Casinos don't let you take 4% of their bankroll by counting cards.

They closely monitor their games, and ask you to stop playing long before you win anything significant.

They don't let you flat-bet and win on an untested game for 15 hours before stopping you.

Yes , and Dean stopped his withdraw when he was aware of someone used a fault in his software.
And Dean decided it was right not to payout sjess winnings. That is his decision and its final. If that is fair or unfair can other people decide for themself.
If players not agree they will probably not play there. Its not me or you that decide what Dean should do.

[21pilot]

He has already said its final decission, he has decided what he want to do with it. If you not got anything new to say, its best to shut up, becauce we can read you and uvwvj  earlier posts here, and we all know what your opinions is allready. Not any point to repeat ourself. And if you counted cards at a casino and got away with 4% of casino bankroll it would be nice for you. That is a generous casnio.

Casinos don't let you take 4% of their bankroll by counting cards.

They closely monitor their games, and ask you to stop playing long before you win anything significant.

They don't let you flat-bet and win on an untested game for 15 hours before stopping you.

Yes , and Dean stopped his withdraw when he was aware of someone used a fault in his software.
And Dean decided it was right not to payout sjess winnings. That is his decision and its final. If that is fair or unfair can other people decide for themself.
If players not agree they will probably not play there. Its not me or you that decide what Dean should do.

for an account that has registered today you are incredibly well informed about dice gambling sites 
why not post with your real account for once?

[gamblingbad]

He has already said its final decission, he has decided what he want to do with it. If you not got anything new to say, its best to shut up, becauce we can read you and uvwvj  earlier posts here, and we all know what your opinions is allready. Not any point to repeat ourself. And if you counted cards at a casino and got away with 4% of casino bankroll it would be nice for you. That is a generous casnio.

Casinos don't let you take 4% of their bankroll by counting cards.

They closely monitor their games, and ask you to stop playing long before you win anything significant.

They don't let you flat-bet and win on an untested game for 15 hours before stopping you.

Yes , and Dean stopped his withdraw when he was aware of someone used a fault in his software.
And Dean decided it was right not to payout sjess winnings. That is his decision and its final. If that is fair or unfair can other people decide for themself.
If players not agree they will probably not play there. Its not me or you that decide what Dean should do.

for an account that has registered today you are incredibly well informed about dice gambling sites 
why not post with your real account for once?

This my one and only user account here. More you want to know?