Bytecoin [BCN] vs MONERO [XMR] who will be the winner in the Cryptonote War

[JPSelzer]

Btw, guys, where is this idea of 'premine' coming from?

Everyone from the X-Bubble Team repeats it as mantra just because they have less of that?

You show this way the lack of competence.
Or paranoia!
I really enjoyed that 'Intel relaunch' request, just because they did not told us they gonna be a great company. That was neat.

Look, that has almost no effect on Bytecoin brand, but shows you are nervous and don't have your personal plan of development and growth. Or you do?

You still have a chance to gain wide adoption, but look more mature and serious.

Could you please show your plan and milestones and organized team work instead of just flaming on the forum?

Blaming on Microsoft or Intel or Bytecoin is just a fashion for a personal PR and is totally fine, but please focus part of those efforts on creating something really valuable and new.

Good luck and anyways thank you for your efforts! Do your best!

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[JPSelzer]

Ignore DARKOTA he is a troll who PUMPS and DUMPS - Look at his original thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=658541.100

Then look here:

 https://bitcointa.lk/threads/litecoin-is-officially-dead.331214/page-5

Troll on indeed:

http://coinmap.org/
www.uselitecoin.com

This thread is starting to show the true TROLL: I have been PM'ing everyone in this thread, some have even joined the Litecoin Talk forum because of this troll so i actually think its ok his lies - everyone is being PM'd this:

'Litecoin is dead'

Look at the original thread - he has deleted more than 40 posts from people supporting Litecoin, he is a troll who pumps and dumps

Thank you, Saigonsmokes! That explains a bit.

Yes, that is sad - poor wasting of time in most of the X-Bubble threads.
Poor moderation and chaotic informational support, too much paranoid propaganda.

It was OK in the beginning, but now it's time to do business, guys.
Community is not going to support such a disrespectful approach forever.

[GreekBitcoin]

Btw, guys, where is this idea of 'premine' coming from?

Everyone from the X-Bubble Team repeats it as mantra just because they have less of that?

You show this way the lack of competence.
Or paranoia!
I really enjoyed that 'Intel relaunch' request, just because they did not told us they gonna be a great company. That was neat.

Look, that has almost no effect on Bytecoin brand, but shows you are nervous and don't have your personal plan of development and growth. Or you do?

You still have a chance to gain wide adoption, but look more mature and serious.

Could you please show your plan and milestones and organized team work instead of just flaming on the forum?

Blaming on Microsoft or Intel or Bytecoin is just a fashion for a personal PR and is totally fine, but please focus part of those efforts on creating something really valuable and new.

Good luck and anyways thank you for your efforts! Do your best!

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin

[lordoliver]

My researches show, that BCN didn't have even a website before late 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

Also the Git repository was not there before:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commits/master?page=2

So this is very suspicious and should not be supported AT ALL.
Even IF they started 2012 they didn't let ANYONE participate, because they didn't go public.

But I doubt, that the coin existed so early. I think (as I already said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7425175#msg7425175), that they probably even faked the blockchain timing easily like this:
- they rented a bunch of computers
- set the time to 2012
- created a time changing script or something similar on all of their computers, so that the time passes faster
- started the coin in november 2013 secretly and mined it secretly for a few months
- then they announced the coin in february(?)

People are screaming about 1% premine which I can't really understand, because the programmers should have their coin, because otherwise they maybe won't support it enought. I am even fine with 5%. NEM takes 25%. It is still OK.
But 80% is just an impudence. And I can cry about the people supporting it to a market-cap of 10 million...

I was mining bytecoin and monero both in march. I just didn't know of the premine and didn't pay attention about "2012" at that time and was unsure, what to do.
I had a small computer and a big computer. The big one had about 4 times the hashrate of the small one.
As monero was said to be the second one I was mining bytecoin with the big one and monero with the small one.
I was mining 200000 BCN and about 65 XMR (I think it was about 2 weeks or something).
200000 * 0.00000010 = 0.02 BTC
65 * 0.004 = 0.26 BTC
(Prices at time of writing)

keep in mind, that:
- monero has about half of the market cap now (after the crash, before it was also about double)
- i used the 4 times faster cpu for BCN!

If BCN would have been "fair" with their launch, there would have been no monero, and I would have mined BCN alone and the marketcap would even be higher due to no FUD and so on.
So I probably lost AT LEAST 1 BTC (4*0.26 BTC - 0.02BTC) in that short time because of not being able to participate and mine the right shit. Thank you BCN.

[JPSelzer]

My researches show, that BCN didn't have even a website before late 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

Also the Git repository was not there before:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commits/master?page=2

So this is very suspicious and should not be supported AT ALL.
Even IF they started 2012 they didn't let ANYONE participate, because they didn't go public.

But I doubt, that the coin existed so early. I think (as I already said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7425175#msg7425175), that they probably even faked the blockchain timing easily like this:
- they rented a bunch of computers
- set the time to 2012
- created a time changing script or something similar on all of their computers, so that the time passes faster
- started the coin in november 2013 secretly and mined it secretly for a few months
- then they announced the coin in february(?)

People are screaming about 1% premine which I can't really understand, because the programmers should have their coin, because otherwise they maybe won't support it enought. I am even fine with 5%. NEM takes 25%. It is still OK.
But 80% is just an impudence. And I can cry about the people supporting it to a market-cap of 10 million...

I was mining bytecoin and monero both in march. I just didn't know of the premine and didn't pay attention about "2012" at that time and was unsure, what to do.
I had a small computer and a big computer. The big one had about 4 times the hashrate of the small one.
As monero was said to be the second one I was mining bytecoin with the big one and monero with the small one.
I was mining 200000 BCN and about 65 XMR (I think it was about 2 weeks or something).
200000 * 0.00000010 = 0.02 BTC
65 * 0.004 = 0.26 BTC
(Prices at time of writing)

keep in mind, that:
- monero has about half of the market cap now (after the crash, before it was also about double)
- i used the 4 times faster cpu for BCN!

If BCN would have been "fair" with their launch, there would have been no monero, and I would have mined BCN alone and the marketcap would even be higher due to no FUD and so on.
So I probably lost AT LEAST 1 BTC (4*0.26 BTC - 0.02BTC) in that short time because of not being able to participate and mine the right shit. Thank you BCN.

Satoshi's plan being sad about too few Bitcoins left for him? Or Federal Reserve?! Secret 5 ?

So actually you've shown there was no premine.

Deep mine by developers and early adopters is OK.
It is OK because it is a first coin and they probably did not like to fail with the first implementation.

And you call this premine which is actually wrong.

I can imagine how many technical issues can occur before going public.

But is that really important at all on a big scale as a user or inverstor? Nope.

The eventual exchange rate in a year or two or three - that is important.
 
Today You can buy THE FIRST next generation coin at a low price. That is great.

I think it will be supported and adopted for larger goals.

[lordoliver]

My researches show, that BCN didn't have even a website before late 2013.
http://web.archive.org/web/20131113093900/http://bytecoin.org/

Also the Git repository was not there before:
https://github.com/amjuarez/bytecoin/commits/master?page=2

So this is very suspicious and should not be supported AT ALL.
Even IF they started 2012 they didn't let ANYONE participate, because they didn't go public.

But I doubt, that the coin existed so early. I think (as I already said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7425175#msg7425175), that they probably even faked the blockchain timing easily like this:
- they rented a bunch of computers
- set the time to 2012
- created a time changing script or something similar on all of their computers, so that the time passes faster
- started the coin in november 2013 secretly and mined it secretly for a few months
- then they announced the coin in february(?)

People are screaming about 1% premine which I can't really understand, because the programmers should have their coin, because otherwise they maybe won't support it enought. I am even fine with 5%. NEM takes 25%. It is still OK.
But 80% is just an impudence. And I can cry about the people supporting it to a market-cap of 10 million...

I was mining bytecoin and monero both in march. I just didn't know of the premine and didn't pay attention about "2012" at that time and was unsure, what to do.
I had a small computer and a big computer. The big one had about 4 times the hashrate of the small one.
As monero was said to be the second one I was mining bytecoin with the big one and monero with the small one.
I was mining 200000 BCN and about 65 XMR (I think it was about 2 weeks or something).
200000 * 0.00000010 = 0.02 BTC
65 * 0.004 = 0.26 BTC
(Prices at time of writing)

keep in mind, that:
- monero has about half of the market cap now (after the crash, before it was also about double)
- i used the 4 times faster cpu for BCN!

If BCN would have been "fair" with their launch, there would have been no monero, and I would have mined BCN alone and the marketcap would even be higher due to no FUD and so on.
So I probably lost AT LEAST 1 BTC (4*0.26 BTC - 0.02BTC) in that short time because of not being able to participate and mine the right shit. Thank you BCN.

Satoshi's plan being sad about too few Bitcoins left for him? Or Federal Reserve?! Secret 5 ?

So actually you've shown there was no premine.

Deep mine by developers and early adopters is OK.
It is OK because it is a first coin and they probably did not like to fail with the first implementation.

And you call this premine which is actually wrong.

I can imagine how many technical issues can occur before going public.

But is that really important at all on a big scale as a user or inverstor? Nope.

The eventual exchange rate in a year or two or three - that is important.
 
Today You can buy THE FIRST next generation coin at a low price. That is great.

I think it will be supported and adopted for larger goals.

you don't need to test that for that long time. 2 months are WAY enough. And even if they want to test longer.
There is no need of keeping a beta blockchain. If they didn't want to premine, they could have started the coin from the beginning.

As I already said, its ok, if they have a lot. But this is nearly all...
I wouldn't even say anything at all, if they write officially on their website, that they premined.
But they pretend to be fair! Thats the problem!
A lot of people don't know it and are supporting it, what they wouldn't do, if they knew it.

[Monkeyseemonkeydo]

IMO this dispute will continue forever since there isn't really another comparable example of a coin that remained under the radar for so long except Bitcoin.

I've already made my decision about its premining after lots of statements that were written in BCN thread and I suggest you to do the same.

[madzooka]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Boolberry has been hugely instamined probably over 20% with 1 guy making 2,000 Boolberry per day off his private gpu miner as of right now, since Boolberry uses Wild Keccak instead of Cryptonight algorithm. He was making 7,000 boolberry per day for a long time before the difficulty increased, and Boolberry only has 18million total coins. I'd say that 1 guy owns more than 20% of all Boolberries as of right now. Boolberry has both a guy with a private gpu miner that gets 2,000 boolberry per day as of right now, As well as botnets. I wouldnt be suprised if Boolberry has over a 60% instamine.

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

Monero wins hands down.

  Why don't you go somewhere else?
Everybody knows that you came here to FUD bytecoin .

IGNORE DARKOTA  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7428414#msg7428414

[ManFromJupiter]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

Who did you tell that? Another "certified" whistleblower?

Monero is the only fairly launched cryptonote coin with a large very active dev team..

I will agree with you only if phrase "active dev team" means "guys who can only copy other techs".

[fatty_but_happy]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

I don't understand where do you get such information?

 If you didn't know about Bytecoin after its launch, then it's your problem. A lot of people still doesn’t know about Bitcoin.

This doesn't prove that the coin was premined

[GreekBitcoin]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

I don't understand where do you get such information?

 If you didn't know about Bytecoin after its launch, then it's your problem. A lot of people still doesn’t know about Bitcoin.

This doesn't prove that the coin was premined

Although its fairly easy for any multicellular organism to understand why Bytecoin is premined or instantmine or whatever here is a link too:

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#bytecoin

[darkota]

Bytecoin has been premined 82%.

I don't understand where do you get such information?

 If you didn't know about Bytecoin after its launch, then it's your problem. A lot of people still doesn’t know about Bitcoin.

This doesn't prove that the coin was premined

I don't know if you're trolling or naturally ________


The bytecoin blockchain shows the premine my friend...It was mined since 2012 by a small group of people, and has been mined In secret by that same group, for around 2 years before it was announced to the public. That small group of people premined over 82% of all bytecoins.

The Bytecoin blockchain is proof and shows everything...

The group mining bytecoin kept it purposely hidden, since it was released in secret..

[Suzuki]

I would suggest that you guys read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=512747.msg7126913#msg7126913

[JunkieMiner]

IGNORE DARKOTA - I was thinking it's a bot but he just FUDing BCN for money

Ignore DARKOTA he is a paid shill for DRK and NXT. His posts should be ignored. Look at his post history, pump and dump scam artist.

he is pretty stupid as well, seems like he know Satoshi too 

Ignore his FUD

Even though, he use the same phrases.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665950.msg7643183#msg7643183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7633440#msg7633440

[JunkieMiner]

VOTE FOR BCN !!!

BCN THE FIRST CN-BASED COIN WITH THE DEVELOPERS TEAM WHO WERE FIRST TO IMPLEMENT API AND WHO PROMOTE CN TECHNOLOGY!!!

VOTE FOR BYTECOIN (BCN) TO BE ADDED ON HITBTC EXCHANGE!
https://hitbtc.com/vote

Do not forget that once you sign in to your Hitbtc account, your votes will be multiplied by 10.

VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!

[Rockefeller]

Monero does not deserve to be compared with Bytecoin. Seems like the only two things Monero developers are able to do are copying and then pasting. What an impressive set of skills huh? Also Monero-supporters are well-known for spreading fud on this forum.

Oh, by the way, have you seen Monero's "official site" ? Looks like a five-year-old made it.

[cyrpi4]

Cryptonote devs confirmed that BCN has community from the beginning, not as big as nowadays , but still there was a bcn community who mined it.
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10

[lordoliver]

Cryptonote devs confirmed that BCN has community from the beginning, not as big as nowadays , but still there was a bcn community who mined it.
https://forum.cryptonote.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11&start=10

show me ANY page that exists before November 2013... the bytecoin.org is proven to be not existent!

[giveBTCpls]

XMR is not 83% premined.
end of discussion lol

Legit. Thread is over.

[HornyMiner]

IGNORE DARKOTA - I was thinking it's a bot but he just FUDing BCN for money

Ignore DARKOTA he is a paid shill for DRK and NXT. His posts should be ignored. Look at his post history, pump and dump scam artist.

he is pretty stupid as well, seems like he know Satoshi too 

Ignore his FUD

Even though, he use the same phrases.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=665950.msg7643183#msg7643183

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=622738.msg7633440#msg7633440

Damn. Interesting, how much he earned by stabbing our lovely community in the back?