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December 04, 2012, 08:31:27 PM
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I really didn't keep much records.  The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

If you didn't keep records, how can you have been operating anything other than a scam from the outset?  You've pretty much just admitted that you spent any funds which were in your wallet however you felt like spending them at the time and that you basically treated user deposits as your personal piggy-bank.

I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return.  So no this wasn't a scam.  I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins. 
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December 04, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
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I really didn't keep much records.  The only thing I used was the website for making payments and taking in deposits.

If you didn't keep records, how can you have been operating anything other than a scam from the outset?  You've pretty much just admitted that you spent any funds which were in your wallet however you felt like spending them at the time and that you basically treated user deposits as your personal piggy-bank.

I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return.  So no this wasn't a scam.  I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins. 

How many coins do you owe? How many coins do you have with Pirate? You must know these 2 numbers.

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December 04, 2012, 09:25:47 PM
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I sent the btc to places I thought were going to bring a good return.  So no this wasn't a scam.  I got scammed and that is why I'm not able to return all the coins. 

And yet you claim to have no records which can prove that a single BTC of user funds were sent to pirate or spent on hardware rather than blown at the casino or spent on hookers and blow.

Are you as careless about keeping records related to your non-Bitcoin dealings?

All I can say is that this is Bitcoin. I don't believe it until I see six confirmations.
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December 04, 2012, 10:04:35 PM
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So how do I know that my coins (full or part) were in fact not sent to pirate. And were used to invest in mining equipment instead? The mining equipment still exists and in your control, so the coins can be reclaimed. (Albeit at a second hand price loss.)

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December 18, 2012, 01:48:54 PM
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Latest on this?  Sam and I were PM'ing back & forth about a settlement but he has since been AWOL.
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December 18, 2012, 03:17:36 PM
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The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:
 
"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers.  After that I will give a timeline.  It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.

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December 18, 2012, 06:13:21 PM
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He's hoping for the end of the world this Friday so he doesn't have to pay up.  Grin
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December 18, 2012, 06:24:09 PM
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He's hoping for the end of the world this Friday so he doesn't have to pay up.  Grin

This guy is a deadbeat from the information that I found on the net.  Good luck trying to get anything from him.
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December 18, 2012, 09:16:46 PM
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The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:
 
"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers.  After that I will give a timeline.  It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.


I received the same message December 3rd.

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December 18, 2012, 11:12:01 PM
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The last that I heard from him was on the 5th Dec:
 
"... I'm currently waiting two weeks to gather everyone's offers.  After that I will give a timeline.  It shouldn't take too long."

So there should be an update soon as it's two weeks from then tomorrow, hopefully by the weekend at latest.


I received the same message December 3rd.

LOL he probably pulled a runner knowing that he can't pay you or that there isnt really much you can do. 
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December 19, 2012, 01:13:29 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

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December 19, 2012, 01:23:30 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

Do you mean the same legal action that was used to get Pirate.  You guys are funny.  It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. 
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December 19, 2012, 01:31:26 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

 815-469-7449
 708-822-4450 cell phone

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December 19, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

 815-469-7449
 708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form.  Are you sure this the right form.  Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes.  I'm done trolling.  Good luck guys and gals. 
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December 19, 2012, 01:56:51 AM
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I got a feeling 'mining4fun11' is our old friend Hashking under a different username.

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December 19, 2012, 02:52:23 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

 815-469-7449
 708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form.  Are you sure this the right form.  Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes.  I'm done trolling.  Good luck guys and gals. 

That brings up a good point. Please claim the fraud amount in USD based value terms. Just like if someone defrauded you out of a car, you would claim the USD value of that car. Likewise, make sure you claim the USD value of the bitcoins.

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December 19, 2012, 05:19:02 AM
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I think it's time for legal action.

Filing a fraud claim with the Illinois Attorney General is a good place to start. It's free and doesn't limit you from further litigation. I recommend everyone affected take 5-10 minutes to print out the fraud complaint form and mail it in.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/consumers/index.html

Here is the info we have on him to help you fill out the form:

RESIDENCE:

SAM THEOFANOPOULOS
9344 W VALLEY FARM DR
FRANKFORT, IL 60423-6505

BUSINESS:

Real People Realty / South & West Suburbs (More)
Sam Theofanopoulos
7262 W Benton Dr
Frankfort, IL 60423

 815-469-7449
 708-822-4450 cell phone

I don't see a checkbox for btc on the form.  Are you sure this the right form.  Like I said it will be interesting to see where this goes.  I'm done trolling.  Good luck guys and gals. 

That brings up a good point. Please claim the fraud amount in USD based value terms. Just like if someone defrauded you out of a car, you would claim the USD value of that car. Likewise, make sure you claim the USD value of the bitcoins.

Do we write down the value of Bitcoins now or at the time Sam stole them?

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December 19, 2012, 05:31:39 AM
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Do we write down the value of Bitcoins now or at the time Sam stole them?

He was supposed to pay back in bitcoins under the terms of the agreement, so I think it is fair to demand coins be returned. That being the case, the USD value you've been defrauded of is in today's valuation and not when the contract was consummated.

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December 19, 2012, 05:41:31 AM
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I think this might be the best approach to discuss when seeking an attorney for more direct claims against hashking: http://www.forbes.com/sites/oliverherzfeld/2012/12/04/what-is-the-legal-status-of-virtual-goods/

Also, you will need to find an attorney in the state of Illinois where hashking is located. I have spoken with several lawyers so far but none have been interested in litigating a 'virtual property' case. If anyone finds someone willing to work on this issue, please let the rest of us know. This will not be an easy case, but it is not a closed case either, the law regarding virtual transactions has few precedents.

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December 19, 2012, 05:49:01 AM
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Take heart, looks like there have been favorable settlements overseas: http://thechronicleherald.ca/world/57498-stealing-virtual-world-theft-real-life-top-dutch-court-rules

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