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Can someone tell me why NAV is better than ShadowProject? Thank you.

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I have invested a pretty substantial amount of Bitcoin into NAV. Seems like it has a great community, and very active devs.... But, I'm starting to wonder if I've made a mistake. What features does NAV have that others don't? There are other anonymous coins. What features will NAV have that others won't? People seem to shy away from inflationary coins. Why go that route? Please help me feel comfortable with my NAV holdings. Again, I love how active the community and Devs are, but I still worry.

I think its a matter of different approaches to anonymous transactions. We use a secondary block chain called a "Subchain" to direct and manage our anonymous transactions as they are encrypted, randomised and routed through the Anonymous Network. This approach is unique to Nav Coin and it has some inherent benefits, the primary one being its resilience. The system runs purely off two block chains, not relying on a database or any extra data storage to mark transactions as "waiting to process" or "processed". This means if our anonymous servers were blocked / deleted / taken down / destroyed or whatever, we could simply start up a new server somewhere else, restore the wallet.dat files and the servers would resume processing transactions without loss and without needing to worry about backing anything else up apart from the wallet.dat files.

Secondly, because we use two block chains, we are able to break the transaction chain between sender and receiver. We have a pool of NAV waiting to be sent on the outgoing server, which can be sent as soon as the outgoing server receives the instruction from the subchain. It doesnt have to wait for the real NAV to arrive because of the nature of how block chains work and the way the server is coded, we can trust the amounts recorded to the subchain as correct and send the amount of NAV from the pool before the sent NAV arrive. This means the NAV recieved are not able to be traced back to the NAV which were sent no matter how hard you look at the NAV block chain.

Third, we are coming fast to the point where we can decentralise the anonymous network and allow other users to setup their own processing servers. When this happens, users will be able to earn NAV for processing transactions and we will become the first fully decentralised, double encrypted, anonymous system running purely off block chain tech! Wow, what a mouthful!

So that's the technology, lets talk about features.

We are working towards being the first anonymous crypto which can send anon transactions from the mobile wallet. That will be massive. As well as anonymous merchant integrations, the raspberry pi staking unit and a few other things currently on our road map: http://www.navcoin.org/projects

Even if you were just to consider us to have the same features as DASH or XMR, then that still makes us hugely undervalued by at least 10x - 100x

By the way, i think the other anon coins are great and you should definitely look into them. See if they fit your needs and if the technology fits your ideals. Having multiple options in the financial privacy sector of cryptocurrencies is definitely a good thing. If there was just one, then firstly there is no competition to innovate and secondly it becomes a single point of failure. We offer a secure alternative, based on different technology served in a way which we believe is the best approach. We are part of the array of tools you can use to protect your financial privacy on the internet and we support the efforts of all the other anon coins.

That's my 2c anyway Smiley
Thank you, it's definitely interesting and project has quite a drive although I'll have to read it again, first point doesn't make much sense to me as I think in any blockchain you can just easily add/replace nodes. Second point is probably clear to me - mixing with two blockchains will confuse tracking even more, that makes sense. And third point I don't get it. It's quite common that you can add your own servers (nodes) into network, so what's so special here? Maybe it's reffering something like Dash Master Nodes.

One more specific thing when I was trying NAV - http://www.navcoin.org/downloads offers you Linux Wallet Download but redirect you only to source code. That's not nice. People mostly don't wish to build anything they want just try. Especially when often there are building issues when you don't have reference OS. Would be nice to provide builds.
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Can someone tell me why NAV is better than ShadowProject? Thank you.

Please see this post:

I have invested a pretty substantial amount of Bitcoin into NAV. Seems like it has a great community, and very active devs.... But, I'm starting to wonder if I've made a mistake. What features does NAV have that others don't? There are other anonymous coins. What features will NAV have that others won't? People seem to shy away from inflationary coins. Why go that route? Please help me feel comfortable with my NAV holdings. Again, I love how active the community and Devs are, but I still worry.

I think its a matter of different approaches to anonymous transactions. We use a secondary block chain called a "Subchain" to direct and manage our anonymous transactions as they are encrypted, randomised and routed through the Anonymous Network. This approach is unique to Nav Coin and it has some inherent benefits, the primary one being its resilience. The system runs purely off two block chains, not relying on a database or any extra data storage to mark transactions as "waiting to process" or "processed". This means if our anonymous servers were blocked / deleted / taken down / destroyed or whatever, we could simply start up a new server somewhere else, restore the wallet.dat files and the servers would resume processing transactions without loss and without needing to worry about backing anything else up apart from the wallet.dat files.

Secondly, because we use two block chains, we are able to break the transaction chain between sender and receiver. We have a pool of NAV waiting to be sent on the outgoing server, which can be sent as soon as the outgoing server receives the instruction from the subchain. It doesnt have to wait for the real NAV to arrive because of the nature of how block chains work and the way the server is coded, we can trust the amounts recorded to the subchain as correct and send the amount of NAV from the pool before the sent NAV arrive. This means the NAV recieved are not able to be traced back to the NAV which were sent no matter how hard you look at the NAV block chain.

Third, we are coming fast to the point where we can decentralise the anonymous network and allow other users to setup their own processing servers. When this happens, users will be able to earn NAV for processing transactions and we will become the first fully decentralised, double encrypted, anonymous system running purely off block chain tech! Wow, what a mouthful!

So that's the technology, lets talk about features.

We are working towards being the first anonymous crypto which can send anon transactions from the mobile wallet. That will be massive. As well as anonymous merchant integrations, the raspberry pi staking unit and a few other things currently on our road map: http://www.navcoin.org/projects

Even if you were just to consider us to have the same features as DASH or XMR, then that still makes us hugely undervalued by at least 10x - 100x

By the way, i think the other anon coins are great and you should definitely look into them. See if they fit your needs and if the technology fits your ideals. Having multiple options in the financial privacy sector of cryptocurrencies is definitely a good thing. If there was just one, then firstly there is no competition to innovate and secondly it becomes a single point of failure. We offer a secure alternative, based on different technology served in a way which we believe is the best approach. We are part of the array of tools you can use to protect your financial privacy on the internet and we support the efforts of all the other anon coins.

That's my 2c anyway Smiley
Thank you, it's definitely interesting and project has quite a drive although I'll have to read it again, first point doesn't make much sense to me as I think in any blockchain you can just easily add/replace nodes. Second point is probably clear to me - mixing with two blockchains will confuse tracking even more, that makes sense. And third point I don't get it. It's quite common that you can add your own servers (nodes) into network, so what's so special here? Maybe it's reffering something like Dash Master Nodes.

One more specific thing when I was trying NAV - http://www.navcoin.org/downloads offers you Linux Wallet Download but redirect you only to source code. That's not nice. People mostly don't wish to build anything they want just try. Especially when often there are building issues when you don't have reference OS. Would be nice to provide builds.

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To the prebuild linux clients. Since there is a lot of different linux systems that have different library versions. It is not possible to create one linux prebuild we would have to server one for each linux that exists. But we will discuss wether it is possible to perhaps make a build for most common linux systems like Ubuntu 15 64bit or so.

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Hi,

To the prebuild linux clients. Since there is a lot of different linux systems that have different library versions. It is not possible to create one linux prebuild we would have to server one for each linux that exists. But we will discuss wether it is possible to perhaps make a build for most common linux systems like Ubuntu 15 64bit or so.

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Yes, please
I was trying to build it on Ubuntu, but I got many issues.
After I wanted to install NAV on Windows, but the download of the Windows Installer exe is broken. I get always a 161 Kilobyte file.
Then I downloaded the ZIP file and the Client starts... but after an hour running time, I still have no connections :/
But I would prefer to use a Linux client.

I would also like to see the hash of the clients on the download page, so that I can verify that the file is ok.
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Second point is probably clear to me - mixing with two blockchains will confuse tracking even more, that makes sense.
I have to agree with you. For me this is the only purpose of the subchain. All the other points don't make much sense to me either and look like some trivial things that are inherent to all coins working with blockchain. But it is a very useful purpose because in combination with encryption it is impossible to track transactions due to the extra decoupling via a large pool where everything comes in and everything leaves again. The only thing that is needed now is a lot of traffic and then tracking will be impossible. You can imagine if there is only 1 transaction happening every 30 minutes, then nothing can be done to hide sender and receiver. Well, at least that is how I see it but I am not an expert in the matter.
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September 12, 2016, 11:01:36 AM
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Can someone tell me why NAV is better than ShadowProject? Thank you.

Please see this post:

I have invested a pretty substantial amount of Bitcoin into NAV. Seems like it has a great community, and very active devs.... But, I'm starting to wonder if I've made a mistake. What features does NAV have that others don't? There are other anonymous coins. What features will NAV have that others won't? People seem to shy away from inflationary coins. Why go that route? Please help me feel comfortable with my NAV holdings. Again, I love how active the community and Devs are, but I still worry.

I think its a matter of different approaches to anonymous transactions. We use a secondary block chain called a "Subchain" to direct and manage our anonymous transactions as they are encrypted, randomised and routed through the Anonymous Network. This approach is unique to Nav Coin and it has some inherent benefits, the primary one being its resilience. The system runs purely off two block chains, not relying on a database or any extra data storage to mark transactions as "waiting to process" or "processed". This means if our anonymous servers were blocked / deleted / taken down / destroyed or whatever, we could simply start up a new server somewhere else, restore the wallet.dat files and the servers would resume processing transactions without loss and without needing to worry about backing anything else up apart from the wallet.dat files.

Secondly, because we use two block chains, we are able to break the transaction chain between sender and receiver. We have a pool of NAV waiting to be sent on the outgoing server, which can be sent as soon as the outgoing server receives the instruction from the subchain. It doesnt have to wait for the real NAV to arrive because of the nature of how block chains work and the way the server is coded, we can trust the amounts recorded to the subchain as correct and send the amount of NAV from the pool before the sent NAV arrive. This means the NAV recieved are not able to be traced back to the NAV which were sent no matter how hard you look at the NAV block chain.

Third, we are coming fast to the point where we can decentralise the anonymous network and allow other users to setup their own processing servers. When this happens, users will be able to earn NAV for processing transactions and we will become the first fully decentralised, double encrypted, anonymous system running purely off block chain tech! Wow, what a mouthful!

So that's the technology, lets talk about features.

We are working towards being the first anonymous crypto which can send anon transactions from the mobile wallet. That will be massive. As well as anonymous merchant integrations, the raspberry pi staking unit and a few other things currently on our road map: http://www.navcoin.org/projects

Even if you were just to consider us to have the same features as DASH or XMR, then that still makes us hugely undervalued by at least 10x - 100x

By the way, i think the other anon coins are great and you should definitely look into them. See if they fit your needs and if the technology fits your ideals. Having multiple options in the financial privacy sector of cryptocurrencies is definitely a good thing. If there was just one, then firstly there is no competition to innovate and secondly it becomes a single point of failure. We offer a secure alternative, based on different technology served in a way which we believe is the best approach. We are part of the array of tools you can use to protect your financial privacy on the internet and we support the efforts of all the other anon coins.

That's my 2c anyway Smiley
Thank you, it's definitely interesting and project has quite a drive although I'll have to read it again, first point doesn't make much sense to me as I think in any blockchain you can just easily add/replace nodes. Second point is probably clear to me - mixing with two blockchains will confuse tracking even more, that makes sense. And third point I don't get it. It's quite common that you can add your own servers (nodes) into network, so what's so special here? Maybe it's reffering something like Dash Master Nodes.

One more specific thing when I was trying NAV - http://www.navcoin.org/downloads offers you Linux Wallet Download but redirect you only to source code. That's not nice. People mostly don't wish to build anything they want just try. Especially when often there are building issues when you don't have reference OS. Would be nice to provide builds.

1) Yes, but if we're talking about a system which truly disconnects sender from receiver there needs to be some data store in the middle between the incoming and outgoing node other wise all transactions could just be traced back to sender (eventually) through the main blockchain. A common way to manage data for reading between two servers is a traditional database, something like MySQL. If you used a common database to be the middleman between incoming and outgoing nodes, then you leave yourself open to all sorts of known vulnerabilities. All someone would have to do is figure out how to inject some rows into the database and they could make your outgoing server send coins to them. Thus you would have departed from the vast majority of benefits of using blockchains in the first place. We get around this problem by using an encrypted subchain as this data store which both servers can read. As you know, blockchains are immutable and it is very difficult to fake records, plus they're fully restorable.

2) Great, glad you understand Smiley

3) Anyone who has the full node NAV client can be a part of the NAV network. But up until now, the only people who have the subchain and also the code which processes the anonymous transactions have been us. We have kept it private and offered a set of servers which were open to the public for anonymizing transactions. This will be how the new setup first launches, after that, we will create a distributable version of the anonymous transaction processing code which any user (with some crypto and linux knowledge) will be able to configure, run and process anon transactions with which will earn them the 0.5% processing fee.

Make sense?

Feel free to ask any more questions you may have.

Cheers,
Craig.

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September 12, 2016, 11:25:42 AM
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run and process anon transactions with which will earn them the 0.5% processing fee
0.5%? Too small I think
Nobody will setup nodes for getting 0.00134 NAV in month

That is what we have the fee set at for our servers. This setting is actually customizable and the person whoever sets up their own server can dictate whatever fee they want.

If you want to setup one for you and your mates to use, you might make it 0%, or if you offer some advanced cloud solution that is open to the public and can process 100,000 transactions per minute  you might set it higher.

totally depends

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September 12, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
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Hi,

To the prebuild linux clients. Since there is a lot of different linux systems that have different library versions. It is not possible to create one linux prebuild we would have to server one for each linux that exists. But we will discuss wether it is possible to perhaps make a build for most common linux systems like Ubuntu 15 64bit or so.

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Yes, please
I was trying to build it on Ubuntu, but I got many issues.
After I wanted to install NAV on Windows, but the download of the Windows Installer exe is broken. I get always a 161 Kilobyte file.
Then I downloaded the ZIP file and the Client starts... but after an hour running time, I still have no connections :/
But I would prefer to use a Linux client.

I would also like to see the hash of the clients on the download page, so that I can verify that the file is ok.

I just wanted to say that the (ZIP) Windows client now works well.

But would be nice, if someone could tell me how to build a working Linux client.
I read the readme-qt.rst, but for me it doesnt work.
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I just wanted to say that the (ZIP) Windows client now works well.

But would be nice, if someone could tell me how to build a working Linux client.
I read the readme-qt.rst, but for me it doesnt work.

got to source code >>doc>>>(your OS you're trying to build)   and follow those instructions.

so for Linux  : https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2/blob/master/doc/build-unix.txt


it should be easy to follow the instruction. it's typical same instructions as most of coins.
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I started it last night will check it when I get home tonight.

I have 2 transactions that show in my wallet with over 4000 confirms but not in block explorer on in destination wallet.

Status: 4670 confirmations, broadcast through 8 nodes
Date: 9/9/2016 21:02
To: crypto-trade NXxFBeCbE7dA47JswGZpctEmCJQ4sfy1Ko
Debit: -4958.00 NAV
Transaction fee: -0.0001 NAV
Net amount: -4958.0001 NAV
Transaction ID: bae3bcff9c4de6b1d7ec1cd9be06825010e5e0d694a89dd811df33a24f272b02-000


Status: 4761 confirmations, broadcast through 7 nodes
Date: 9/9/2016 20:20
To: crypto-trade NXxFBeCbE7dA47JswGZpctEmCJQ4sfy1Ko
Debit: -3500.00 NAV
Transaction fee: -0.0001 NAV
Net amount: -3500.0001 NAV
Transaction ID: 8578f5257203db56809846d08c0a12cb2fea0db6fa56fb78856acf49f1d209f3-000

wallet is ver v3.6.0.0-UT-ZAH-HA-DEZ-BIN  on TOR

I can't see either of those Transaction ID's on the block explorer: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/nav/

Can you try to run "repairwallet" from the debug console and see if the funds reappear in your wallet?

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got to source code >>doc>>>(your OS you're trying to build)   and follow those instructions.

so for Linux  : https://github.com/navcoindev/navcoin2/blob/master/doc/build-unix.txt


it should be easy to follow the instruction. it's typical same instructions as most of coins.

I get this error:

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make -f makefile.unix
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g++ -c -O2  -pthread -Wall -Wextra -Wno-ignored-qualifiers -Wformat -Wformat-security -Wno-unused-parameter -Wunused-function -Wunused-variable -fpermissive -Wconversion-null -g -DBOOST_SPIRIT_THREADSAFE -I/home/node/navcoin2-master/src -I/home/node/navcoin2-master/src/obj -DUSE_UPNP=0 -DENABLE_WALLET -I/home/node/navcoin2-master/src/secp256k1/include -I/home/node/navcoin2-master/src/leveldb/include -I/home/node/navcoin2-master/src/leveldb/helpers -DHAVE_BUILD_INFO -fno-stack-protector -fstack-protector-all -Wstack-protector -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2  -MMD -MF obj/rpcrawtransaction.d -o obj/rpcrawtransaction.o rpcrawtransaction.cpp
In file included from /usr/include/boost/iterator/iterator_categories.hpp:22:0,
                 from /usr/include/boost/iterator/iterator_facade.hpp:14,
                 from /usr/include/boost/range/iterator_range_core.hpp:27,
                 from /usr/include/boost/range/iterator_range.hpp:13,
                 from /usr/include/boost/assign/list_of.hpp:20,
                 from rpcrawtransaction.cpp:6:
/usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp: In instantiation of ‘typename boost::add_reference<T>::type boost::strict_get(boost::variant<T0, T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T11, T12, T13, T14, T15, T16, T17, T18, T19>&) [with U = const CScriptID&; T0 = CNoDestination; T1 = CKeyID; T2 = CScriptID; T3 = CSecretAddress; T4 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T5 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T6 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T7 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T8 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T9 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T10 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T11 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T12 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T13 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T14 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T15 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T16 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T17 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T18 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T19 = boost::detail::variant::void_; typename boost::add_reference<T>::type = const CScriptID&]’:
/usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp:284:25:   required from ‘typename boost::add_reference<T>::type boost::get(boost::variant<T0, T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T11, T12, T13, T14, T15, T16, T17, T18, T19>&) [with U = const CScriptID&; T0 = CNoDestination; T1 = CKeyID; T2 = CScriptID; T3 = CSecretAddress; T4 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T5 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T6 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T7 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T8 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T9 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T10 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T11 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T12 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T13 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T14 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T15 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T16 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T17 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T18 = boost::detail::variant::void_; T19 = boost::detail::variant::void_; typename boost::add_reference<T>::type = const CScriptID&]’
rpcrawtransaction.cpp:221:77:   required from here
/usr/include/boost/variant/get.hpp:178:5: error: invalid application of ‘sizeof’ to incomplete type ‘boost::STATIC_ASSERTION_FAILURE<false>’
     BOOST_STATIC_ASSERT_MSG(
     ^
makefile.unix:221: recipe for target 'obj/rpcrawtransaction.o' failed
make: *** [obj/rpcrawtransaction.o] Error 1

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What have you installed before?

Apt-get install...?  

sudo apt-get install build-essential
sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
sudo apt-get install libdb++-dev
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev
sudo apt-get install libqrencode-dev
sudo apt-get install libgmp3-dev
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Yes, I installed all of them
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Can someone tell me why NAV is better than ShadowProject? Thank you.

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I have invested a pretty substantial amount of Bitcoin into NAV. Seems like it has a great community, and very active devs.... But, I'm starting to wonder if I've made a mistake. What features does NAV have that others don't? There are other anonymous coins. What features will NAV have that others won't? People seem to shy away from inflationary coins. Why go that route? Please help me feel comfortable with my NAV holdings. Again, I love how active the community and Devs are, but I still worry.

I think its a matter of different approaches to anonymous transactions. We use a secondary block chain called a "Subchain" to direct and manage our anonymous transactions as they are encrypted, randomised and routed through the Anonymous Network. This approach is unique to Nav Coin and it has some inherent benefits, the primary one being its resilience. The system runs purely off two block chains, not relying on a database or any extra data storage to mark transactions as "waiting to process" or "processed". This means if our anonymous servers were blocked / deleted / taken down / destroyed or whatever, we could simply start up a new server somewhere else, restore the wallet.dat files and the servers would resume processing transactions without loss and without needing to worry about backing anything else up apart from the wallet.dat files.

Secondly, because we use two block chains, we are able to break the transaction chain between sender and receiver. We have a pool of NAV waiting to be sent on the outgoing server, which can be sent as soon as the outgoing server receives the instruction from the subchain. It doesnt have to wait for the real NAV to arrive because of the nature of how block chains work and the way the server is coded, we can trust the amounts recorded to the subchain as correct and send the amount of NAV from the pool before the sent NAV arrive. This means the NAV recieved are not able to be traced back to the NAV which were sent no matter how hard you look at the NAV block chain.

Third, we are coming fast to the point where we can decentralise the anonymous network and allow other users to setup their own processing servers. When this happens, users will be able to earn NAV for processing transactions and we will become the first fully decentralised, double encrypted, anonymous system running purely off block chain tech! Wow, what a mouthful!

So that's the technology, lets talk about features.

We are working towards being the first anonymous crypto which can send anon transactions from the mobile wallet. That will be massive. As well as anonymous merchant integrations, the raspberry pi staking unit and a few other things currently on our road map: http://www.navcoin.org/projects

Even if you were just to consider us to have the same features as DASH or XMR, then that still makes us hugely undervalued by at least 10x - 100x

By the way, i think the other anon coins are great and you should definitely look into them. See if they fit your needs and if the technology fits your ideals. Having multiple options in the financial privacy sector of cryptocurrencies is definitely a good thing. If there was just one, then firstly there is no competition to innovate and secondly it becomes a single point of failure. We offer a secure alternative, based on different technology served in a way which we believe is the best approach. We are part of the array of tools you can use to protect your financial privacy on the internet and we support the efforts of all the other anon coins.

That's my 2c anyway Smiley
Thank you, it's definitely interesting and project has quite a drive although I'll have to read it again, first point doesn't make much sense to me as I think in any blockchain you can just easily add/replace nodes. Second point is probably clear to me - mixing with two blockchains will confuse tracking even more, that makes sense. And third point I don't get it. It's quite common that you can add your own servers (nodes) into network, so what's so special here? Maybe it's reffering something like Dash Master Nodes.

One more specific thing when I was trying NAV - http://www.navcoin.org/downloads offers you Linux Wallet Download but redirect you only to source code. That's not nice. People mostly don't wish to build anything they want just try. Especially when often there are building issues when you don't have reference OS. Would be nice to provide builds.

1) Yes, but if we're talking about a system which truly disconnects sender from receiver there needs to be some data store in the middle between the incoming and outgoing node other wise all transactions could just be traced back to sender (eventually) through the main blockchain. A common way to manage data for reading between two servers is a traditional database, something like MySQL. If you used a common database to be the middleman between incoming and outgoing nodes, then you leave yourself open to all sorts of known vulnerabilities. All someone would have to do is figure out how to inject some rows into the database and they could make your outgoing server send coins to them. Thus you would have departed from the vast majority of benefits of using blockchains in the first place. We get around this problem by using an encrypted subchain as this data store which both servers can read. As you know, blockchains are immutable and it is very difficult to fake records, plus they're fully restorable.

2) Great, glad you understand Smiley

3) Anyone who has the full node NAV client can be a part of the NAV network. But up until now, the only people who have the subchain and also the code which processes the anonymous transactions have been us. We have kept it private and offered a set of servers which were open to the public for anonymizing transactions. This will be how the new setup first launches, after that, we will create a distributable version of the anonymous transaction processing code which any user (with some crypto and linux knowledge) will be able to configure, run and process anon transactions with which will earn them the 0.5% processing fee.

Make sense?

Feel free to ask any more questions you may have.

Cheers,
Craig.

Thanks, it makes sense and I believe I see the points. In general, it proves that NAV takes anonymization very seriously. To me, NAV 1.0 anonymity provided was probably more than enough. When I see how difficult  is hunting bitcoin thieves I'm wondering if we really need that complex anonymity model. But yeah, if you wish to eliminate all the traces you need stuff like this.
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September 12, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
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What have you installed before?

Apt-get install...? 

sudo apt-get install build-essential
sudo apt-get install libssl-dev
sudo apt-get install libdb++-dev
sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev
sudo apt-get install libqrencode-dev
sudo apt-get install libgmp3-dev
sudo apt-get install libzmq3-dev
sudo apt-get install libgmp3-dev

Yes, I installed all of them

Don't forget to

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before installing the packages. You may have an old version of one of them.

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make -f makefile.unix USE_UPNP=1

Pretty sure I've seen this particular build error before, i can't quite remember what fixed it.


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There is an attacker, some pirate on the NAV network, I lost 8,000 NAV .  Before my balance was: 1,246,508

Maybe I lost my old investment because attacker entered 3 times in my wallet.


My old coins NEM are valued much. Cry


Attacker:  NS1FHJSXysvirmMMBaCG1cBu4runQEgNw7


My wallet: NRGhvnK3Y39P5WDpK7pfu5QunSTUNufTSW


I am dedicated to computer science. The Windows 10 system is not used for business, just for programs. I use the backup Acronis True Image, and a standard user account for windows, i do not use the administrator account. I not attain to use NAV wallet in linux, I'll try to get all the coins to electrum-NAV.3.6.0-portable wallet.





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It is possible obtain the private key? and then open my wallet in electrun wallet?

it seems that my computer to run bad, the attacker has corrupted everything, i can not connect to the network.

I have many computers to try and also have a backup created with acronis 4 days ago.

Hopefully i can connect to the network and to extract the coins, only use few coins to mine.
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It is possible obtain the private key? and then open my wallet in electrun wallet?

it seems that my computer to run bad, the attacker has corrupted everything, i can not connect to the network.

I have many computers to try and also have a backup created with acronis 4 days ago.

Hopefully i can connect to the network and to extract the coins, only use few coins to mine.

Hi igona, i am sorry to hear you have been the victim of a computer hacker. If someone has remote access to your computer and your wallet is unlocked, there's no stopping someone sending your coins out. This is the same with all coins, bitcoin included. Was your wallet locked at the time? I can see that it is locked in your screen shots.

If it was locked, the only way that someone could have sent the funds is if they have your wallet unlock password. It is not possible to send coins from a locked wallet without the passphrase. I would highly recommend changing your wallet passphrase to a very secure one.

Please remember to back up your wallet regularly and make sure you implement strong passphrases and never keep them stored on your computer in plain text.

Regards,
Craig.

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It is possible obtain the private key? and then open my wallet in electrun wallet?

it seems that my computer to run bad, the attacker has corrupted everything, i can not connect to the network.

I have many computers to try and also have a backup created with acronis 4 days ago.

Hopefully i can connect to the network and to extract the coins, only use few coins to mine.

first of all, do not open that wallet.exe again until we can figure out some stuff. do not let it synch or it might send out those 500k coins.

secondly: hmm are you sure these are not your addresses? or sent them yourself?



since the 599k coins are not shown on the block explorer. than if you were hacked. it seemed like they did not have a copy of your wallet and tried to sent from their own computer but it seems they are trying to send from your computer. this means you have a scryt somewhere running. but it also means that the request to send never made it outside your network therefore outside nodes have not accepted anything. Which is good. so DO NOT synch your wallet. if you have to open your wallet, disconnect your internet.

maybe you can delete this last request and hope it never was seen outside.



also check for malware.

open task manager and look for suspicious behavior.
check you configuration "config file"  and see if some one tried to change stuff.

was there any other coin you downloaded recently. a lot of shitcoin have a lot of malware for this purpose.




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It is possible obtain the private key? and then open my wallet in electrun wallet?

it seems that my computer to run bad, the attacker has corrupted everything, i can not connect to the network.

I have many computers to try and also have a backup created with acronis 4 days ago.

Hopefully i can connect to the network and to extract the coins, only use few coins to mine.

first of all, do not open that wallet.exe again until we can figure out some stuff. do not let it synch or it might send out those 500k coins.

secondly: hmm are you sure these are not your addresses? or sent them yourself?

since the 599k coins are not shown on the block explorer. than if you were hacked. it seemed like they did not have a copy of your wallet and tried to sent from their own computer but it seems they are trying to send from your computer. this means you have a scryt somewhere running. but it also means that the request to send never made it outside your network therefore outside nodes have not accepted anything. Which is good. so DO NOT synch your wallet. if you have to open your wallet, disconnect your internet.

maybe you can delete this last request and hope it never was seen outside.

also check for malware.

open task manager and look for suspicious behavior.
check you configuration "config file"  and see if some one tried to change stuff.

was there any other coin you downloaded recently. a lot of shitcoin have a lot of malware for this purpose.


Good advice. Don't sync it. You could try restoring your wallet to a different computer (assuming you have a backup) and resyncing the block chain using one of our blockchain downloads from the downloads page http://navcoin.org/downloads

If the transaction hasn't been submitted to the network, the balance might return to your wallet. If it's been broadcast there's pretty much nothing anyone can do.

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